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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: tehsprayer on Thu, 26 April 2012, 16:12:22
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just wondering title says it all
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... costar?
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Last time I checked, it wasn't known for sure (no costar logo on the board, etc.) but all evidence strongly points toward a costar board.
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Nah, it was confirmed to be a Costar. Seems like CM don't want to discuss their OEM partner so I won't link that particular post.
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Haha that's why I put the question mark. I remember it basically being unofficially confirmed as costar but I wasn't absolutely sure.
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The Rapid is a costar. But the Pro is an iOne.
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The Rapid is a costar. But the Pro is an iOne.
welll.... has the pro been Confirmed iOne, or still pending confirmation, because no one has bought one yet..
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I called CoolerMaster and asked what company made the keyboard and the guy got mad. I told the guy, who answered, that I heard Costar made the original CoolerMaster Quickfire keyboard but I wanted to know if Costar made the new Pro. He asked how I dreamed that up and then he almost shouted as he said, "CoolerMaster makes everything we sell." :)
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welll.... has the pro been Confirmed iOne, or still pending confirmation, because no one has bought one yet..
They heavily implies Pro OEM is iOne. They said some along the line of costar is overrated and iOne is not that bad when asked about this.
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Why don't noobs ever do some research or use the search bar...
Filco = Costar
CM Quickfire Rapid = Costar
Rosewill = Costar
Mionix Zibal = Costar
Ozone Strike = Costar
Thermaltake Meka G1 = Costar
Razer Blackwidow = iOne
CM Trigger = iOne
CM quickfire pro = Unknown (possibly iOne)
Leopold = Unknown (possibly Strongman)
Ducky = Unknown (possibly Datacomp)
Cherry = Cherry
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They heavily implies Pro OEM is iOne. They said some along the line of costar is overrated and iOne is not that bad when asked about this.
Certain employee confirmed it was iOne before being gagged. Seeing another known CM employee here after being absent for many moons, I think I will find few old posts edited about the OEM behind certain board.
Leopold = Unknown (possibly Strongman)
Ducky = Unknown (possibly Datacomp)
Strongman has gone under since 2009. Hamlett brought up some good points about the effort went into obscuring the true origin of Leopold. I would not be surprised if it turned out to be MIC.
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Why don't noobs ever do some research or use the search bar...
Filco = Costar
CM Quickfire Rapid = Costar
Rosewill = Costar
Mionix Zibal = Costar
Ozone Strike = Costar
Thermaltake Meka G1 = Costar
Razer Blackwidow = iOne
CM Trigger = iOne
CM quickfire pro = Unknown (possibly iOne)
Leopold = Unknown (possibly Strongman)
Ducky = Unknown (possibly Datacomp)
Cherry = Cherry
Some inofficial sources claimed that Trigger(or at least newer batches of it) is made by Costar. Which is a possible guess. The 1.25x modifiers are rare/hardly to be found/used by iOne. So the exclusion of it on Trigger isn't very logic.
Of course, the best bet is to get one and compare the internal built and components of it and we will get a better answer. I heard Trigger being available in SG already, why don't you test out one?
BTW, mechanical keyboard related researches/compilation by Chineses from China. Have a read of it if you are interested.
http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-49204-1-1.html
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From a neutral perspective, how important is the OEM in the grand scheme of keyboard things?
Assuming the same level of QC on the part of the brand (say, Filco), would it matter if they changed vendors? Conversely, if Filco was suddenly bought up by investors whole tried to milk their reputation for maximum medium-term profit by reducing QC and more or less turning a blind eye to what Costar was sending them, would there not be a significant tail-off in the end product?
I know there are a small number inherent differences (Cherry vs. Costar stabilizers, for example), but what else is there?
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Some inofficial sources claimed that Trigger(or at least newer batches of it) is made by Costar. Which is a possible guess. The 1.25x modifiers are rare/hardly to be found/used by iOne. So the exclusion of it on Trigger isn't very logic.
Of course, the best bet is to get one and compare the internal built and components of it and we will get a better answer. I heard Trigger being available in SG already, why don't you test out one?
BTW, mechanical keyboard related researches/compilation by Chineses from China. Have a read of it if you are interested.
http://www.waishehome.cn/thread-49204-1-1.html
Trigger has a very similar build to Blackwidow. The M-keys makes it very obivous that they are from the same OEM in which Blackwidow is made by iOne, hence Trigger is most likely to be from iOne as well.
Costar does not have a LED OEM model. It's unlikely for Trigger to be made by Costar.
But wait, what about Zibal you may ask:
Zibal designed with a custom PCB based on Costar OEM.
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From a neutral perspective, how important is the OEM in the grand scheme of keyboard things?
Assuming the same level of QC on the part of the brand (say, Filco), would it matter if they changed vendors? Conversely, if Filco was suddenly bought up by investors whole tried to milk their reputation for maximum medium-term profit by reducing QC and more or less turning a blind eye to what Costar was sending them, would there not be a significant tail-off in the end product?
I know there are a small number inherent differences (Cherry vs. Costar stabilizers, for example), but what else is there?
I would say that Filco have more time rnd/designing more than other brands.
- keyboard height
- keyboard feet
- plastic design
Compare a Filco to other non-costar keyboard and you would understand what I'm talking about.
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I know there are a small number inherent differences (Cherry vs. Costar stabilizers, for example), but what else is there?
You should search for threads comparing Filco to Ducky or Filco and Leopold to Ducky or just reviews of Ducky. I'm not trying to bash Ducky, but from the reviews here you can get a good idea of all the things that can potentially go wrong.
As far as OEMs in general, they are individual companies with their own internal quality control standards to consider. A good example is Seasonic, which makes really good power supplies for itself and as an OEM to companies like Corsair. A worst-case scenario, such as "What if someone bought Filco etc.?", isn't completely relevant or neutral per se.
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I would say that Filco have more time rnd/designing more than other brands.
- keyboard height
- keyboard feet
- plastic design
Compare a Filco to other non-costar keyboard and you would understand what I'm talking about.
What rnd,, how do we know costar didn't do the Rnd,, and filco just bought stock and slapped on a sticker.
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You should search for threads comparing Filco to Ducky or Filco and Leopold to Ducky or just reviews of Ducky. I'm not trying to bash Ducky, but from the reviews here you can get a good idea of all the things that can potentially go wrong.
As far as OEMs in general, they are individual companies with their own internal quality control standards to consider. A good example is Seasonic, which makes really good power supplies for itself and as an OEM to companies like Corsair. A worst-case scenario, such as "What if someone bought Filco etc.?", isn't completely relevant or neutral per se.
I had looked at a few of those threads, but they seemed to be fairly inconclusive as to where the fault lay, ultimately.
I grant that the scenario wasn't necessarily ideal, but I couldn't think of a better hypothetical reason for an established company's QC to suddenly tank. All I was asking, really was whether the standards of the brand, in assessing the production of the OEM, were more or less important in this industry than the standards of the OEM.
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I would say that Filco have more time rnd/designing more than other brands.
- keyboard height
- keyboard feet
- plastic design
Compare a Filco to other non-costar keyboard and you would understand what I'm talking about.
That makes sense - Filco's attention to functional detail seems to be pretty high - but I'm not sure what it has to do with what OEM they use. Surely if they sourced elsewhere, those design advantages would still apply, right?
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That makes sense - Filco's attention to functional detail seems to be pretty high - but I'm not sure what it has to do with what OEM they use. Surely if they sourced elsewhere, those design advantages would still apply, right?
This is so bull****, what indication do you have of this.
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Uh, which part?-- the question, or the assessment of quality that I implicitly admitted ("seems") was not conclusive?
Oh, you're banned. Never mind...