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Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Thu, 24 May 2012, 15:13:31
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270983561312?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_927

I was watching this listing and it seems it was pulled and the keyboard sold on its own immediately after it was listed according to the seller. Wondering if anyone here got it. =\
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 24 May 2012, 15:29:32
Been happening a bunch lately.

And people are STILL driving the prices on these up way too high.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: MMB on Thu, 24 May 2012, 15:30:16
Quote from: absyrd;599342
Been happening a bunch lately.

And people are STILL driving the prices on these up way too high.

It's called supply vs demand.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 24 May 2012, 15:33:58
It was ME :).
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: shawn o on Thu, 24 May 2012, 16:03:03
I've seen several complete setups sell for $50 or so on ebay recently. They often list $50 shipping since its obviously heavy for the whole unit but I've contacted sellers and told them I only wanted the keyboard and they offered $5 shipping if I was to win the auction.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Thu, 24 May 2012, 16:14:23
Quote from: shawn o;599386
I've seen several complete setups sell for $50 or so on ebay recently. They often list $50 shipping since its obviously heavy for the whole unit but I've contacted sellers and told them I only wanted the keyboard and they offered $5 shipping if I was to win the auction.

Thanks, I'll keep this in mind.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 24 May 2012, 16:29:02
Meh, $80 for a keyboard is livable for me, it looks to be in very good shape. I have grown tired of contacting sellers, making offers and being outbid for the past several months. I'm just thrilled I managed to get one finally, and not have to pay over $100.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Thu, 24 May 2012, 16:31:20
Quote from: lysol;599410
Meh, $80 for a keyboard is livable for me, it looks to be in very good shape. I have grown tired of contacting sellers, making offers and being outbid for the past several months. I'm just thrilled I managed to get one finally, and not have to pay over $100.

Yeah I'd pay $80 for a full keyboard with clean Dolch doubleshots, no problem. Enjoy!
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 24 May 2012, 18:18:41
Quote from: MagicMeatball;599343
It's called supply vs demand.

It is called the same 5 people bidding each other up blindly and endlessly.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Thu, 24 May 2012, 18:21:44
Hahah I'm glad it was under a 100 I hit him up for 50 (yeah right.) especially since I was sure a bunch of you probably did the same thing... Keep hype alive!
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 24 May 2012, 18:23:11
True, the other unit I bid on earlier ended at $130 or something today. LOL.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Thu, 24 May 2012, 18:24:46
Can't wait for the repro Dolch set ;)
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: Reptile on Thu, 24 May 2012, 18:26:19
I want my moogle!
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 24 May 2012, 18:26:58
True, the repro set might help people stop paying so much for them if they can get a very similar set for a lower price.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: nntnam on Thu, 24 May 2012, 19:19:55
Quote from: lysol;599490
True, the other unit I bid on earlier ended at $130 or something today. LOL.

hmm.. seem that you and I was bidding the same item? Dolch Pac 486, right?
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 24 May 2012, 19:22:14
I stopped at $65, so I didn't drive the price up by more than a dollar or 2. I almost bid again, but then I saw the one I bought, I am glad I looked at listings again first.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 24 May 2012, 19:30:44
Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;599494
Can't wait for the repro Dolch set ;)


Quote from: lysol;599496
True, the repro set might help people stop paying so much for them if they can get a very similar set for a lower price.


I hope so. :D
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: nntnam on Fri, 25 May 2012, 00:56:42
Quote from: lysol;599511
I stopped at $65, so I didn't drive the price up by more than a dollar or 2. I almost bid again, but then I saw the one I bought, I am glad I looked at listings again first.

So you are the guy who bought the keyboard mentioned in OP, right?
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 May 2012, 01:19:32
Yes.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: REVENGE on Fri, 25 May 2012, 02:30:50
Quote from: lysol;599625
Yes.

*High Five*

Same model as what I have, do consider using the keyboard! Trackpoint isn't the greatest though.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: MMB on Fri, 25 May 2012, 02:54:27
How badly do you want a Dolch? You have one hour to figure that out....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320909339978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_2543wt_1168
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Fri, 25 May 2012, 04:04:09
Quote from: MagicMeatball;599651
How badly do you want a Dolch? You have one hour to figure that out....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320909339978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_2543wt_1168

Tried to snipe it but was 1s too slow. =\
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: nntnam on Fri, 25 May 2012, 05:24:22
Quote from: lysol;599625
Yes.

Congrats, I think I'm the first one contacts him last night, but a little hesitation makes me miss it :-<. I was focusing on the Pac 486 at that time :-<.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 May 2012, 08:56:41
I will be keeping the board for use as well, but I intend to drop it into a normal 1800 case and do not care at all to loose the trackpoint. I may or may not swap out the controller board with a USB one I have. Not sure if it's compatible 100%, if not then I will just replace the cable with a standard PS/2.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Fri, 25 May 2012, 09:29:56
Asked another seller to part with just the board but they denied me. =\
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: nntnam on Fri, 25 May 2012, 09:53:31
Quote from: metafour;599798
Asked another seller to part with just the board but they denied me. =\

Because after selling you the keyboard, it will be very hard to sell the remaining thing :-<.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:06:25
Right, which is why I didn't try to contact the other sellers before; a strategy that worked for someone else and one that you tried as well.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: nntnam on Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:15:54
Yeah, I try another seller as well, but it doesn't work at all. The previous seller accepted to part with because no one bidded on his item and it was malfunction.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: MMB on Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:25:30
The craze for Dolch keycaps will die off when the imitation GB is done. So, I would just relax and save your money.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:32:41
Unless you are also at least interested in the keyboard, or an entire unit if can't get separate I would wholly agree... or you are like me and can't stand SP profile. I wish we would also pool and get new molds done for the R4, it is too sharp angled and feels bad. The other rows are ok I suppose.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: MMB on Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:37:11
True. TBH, I can't stand most of SP's work. I have yet to see a set that impresses me. When you look at real cherry keycaps, the bottom edge corners are nice and sharp. SP's are oddly rounded. Not impressed, really. I will probably pick up a couple more Dolch units here and there, and just pack them away like baseball cards.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:43:52
I really like the Cherry profile and the scooped F and J keys. I have a couple of white on black sets stored for the future already. I'd like a larger board with PCB mounted blues as well.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 May 2012, 10:44:15
Discontinuing doubleshots is the worst thing Cherry ever did. I understand they did it to keep their margins healthy, as it was beginning to be a loss leader for them, but raising price didn't occur to them? I know many would have been more than happy to pay larger price premium over lasered models. Or even sell them as an upgrade option as aftermarket... Idiots.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: MMB on Fri, 25 May 2012, 11:00:21
If there was a competent company that could replicate the quality of original cherry caps, that wouldn't be an issue.... sadly, there isn't such a company.

Quote from: lysol;599885
Discontinuing doubleshots is the worst thing Cherry ever did. I understand they did it to keep their margins healthy, as it was beginning to be a loss leader for them, but raising price didn't occur to them? I know many would have been more than happy to pay larger price premium over lasered models. Or even sell them as an upgrade option as aftermarket... Idiots.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: REVENGE on Fri, 25 May 2012, 15:13:14
Quote from: lysol;599762
I will be keeping the board for use as well, but I intend to drop it into a normal 1800 case and do not care at all to loose the trackpoint. I may or may not swap out the controller board with a USB one I have. Not sure if it's compatible 100%, if not then I will just replace the cable with a standard PS/2.

Hmm, don't toss the trackpoint, I may want it. :)
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 25 May 2012, 15:35:12
No problem. I will try and remember to see if you still want it once it arrives.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: didjamatic on Sun, 27 May 2012, 14:11:28
Quote from: absyrd;599342
Been happening a bunch lately.

And people are STILL driving the prices on these up way too high.


Not lately, it's been going on for years which is why you see so many sold without keyboards.  A Dolch PAC-60 keyboard is superior to most of the modern junk sold today, unless all you care about is NKRO tests and pokemon caps.  I can't see how anyone can say they are worth less than the going $100 rate for a decent mechanical board.  And they are tough to find.  PAC-61-64's are a bit easier to come across but those are just as functional minus the PS2 cable.  Type on one for a while and see how you like it.  The only recommendation I could make for improvements on them is to add rubber feet or put them on a mat because they like to slide.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: MMB on Sun, 27 May 2012, 21:45:51
Quote from: didjamatic
Not lately, it's been going on for years which is why you see so many sold without keyboards. A Dolch PAC-60 keyboard is superior to most of the modern junk sold today, unless all you care about is NKRO tests and pokemon caps. I can't see how anyone can say they are worth less than the going $100 rate for a decent mechanical board. And they are tough to find. PAC-61-64's are a bit easier to come across but those are just as functional minus the PS2 cable. Type on one for a while and see how you like it. The only recommendation I could make for improvements on them is to add rubber feet or put them on a mat because they like to slide.

Couldn't agree more. The quality of these boards is superior, and people will usually try to lowball you on them. I sold 2 boards so far, but I don't think either party plan to actually use the boards other than farming the caps and switches from them, sadly. :(

On the rubber feet issue; They actually do have rubber feet, but people mostly don't understand how to remove them properly when opening the keyboard case, and ripping them clean off.

Unless you are referring to hardened rubber feet, which a lot of them have, causing them to lose their grip. The one I have currently, I was lucky enough to find with very good condition.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Sun, 27 May 2012, 21:52:10
Damn it! AGAIN. Who got the 2x listing??
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 27 May 2012, 22:08:51
Quote from: didjamatic;601451
The only recommendation I could make for improvements on them is to add rubber feet or put them on a mat because they like to slide.

They come with rubber feet originally, but I suppose that they could fall off. If a PAC 61..64 then you also have to remove them to get to the screws to open the case and attach the PS/2 cable.

BTW, this was written on a Dolch keyboard. It has been my "daily driver" for most of the time since summer of 2010 when I got it.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Sun, 27 May 2012, 22:09:43
Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;601642
Damn it! AGAIN. Who got the 2x listing??

Damn, missed that one too. =\
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 28 May 2012, 09:24:43
Looking forward to tomorrow, damn no mail holiday...
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: Ovoxo on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:00:52
Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;601642
Damn it! AGAIN. Who got the 2x listing??


It was me :biggrin:
Finally got my dolch set!
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: REVENGE on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:03:29
Quote from: Ovoxo;602078
It was me :biggrin:
Finally got my dolch set!
Interesting, how much did you offer?
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:04:43
Nice, and grats. Now store it away like baseball cards and never touch them again, unless you use a Leopold-like keyboard condom :)

Quote from: Ovoxo;602078
It was me :biggrin:
Finally got my dolch set!
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: Drew Baumann on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:48:14
Quote from: Ovoxo;602078
It was me :biggrin:
Finally got my dolch set!

We definitely went on a bidding war that last minute. Congrats!
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: Ovoxo on Tue, 29 May 2012, 01:21:33
Quote from: REVENGE;602081
Interesting, how much did you offer?


Got both for $160 shipped.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 29 May 2012, 01:58:10
I almost took it out from under you ;)
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: Ovoxo on Tue, 29 May 2012, 02:47:09
Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;602577
I almost took it out from under you ;)

Lol so you were the one! I'm glad the seller honored our agreement and didn't ask me for more.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 29 May 2012, 04:01:45
Yup, always gotta try... I hate being patient

Don't hoard! If you don't have plans for the second you should put it up in the classiieds and share the wealth with another GHer instead
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 29 May 2012, 09:10:29
And don't trash the keyboards even if you do decide to hoard the caps LOL. Some people do really like 1800s.
I hate waiting, post carrier needs to come right now to bring me my 1813HFU and my 5181, vintage blues FTW!
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 29 May 2012, 10:43:09
I have seen claims by people that vintage MX Blue switches would be smoother than new switches.
I wouldn't know ... as all my blue switches are vintage.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 29 May 2012, 18:50:59
Probably Placebo. especially since post of these boards are hardly even touched...
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:37:44
You guys missed this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251068488978&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:MOTORS:3160#ht_559wt_1396
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: metafour on Tue, 29 May 2012, 23:10:04
Quote from: MagicMeatball;603556
You guys missed this one?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251068488978&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:MOTORS:3160#ht_559wt_1396

I saw it and was watching it. Decided not to go for it. I'm done with these for now. They've been blown out of proportion at this point.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: Ovoxo on Tue, 29 May 2012, 23:19:43
plus from the pics, looks like those keys have some shine on them.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: kpeezy on Wed, 30 May 2012, 15:16:06
Quote from: JesuswasaZombie;603344
Probably Placebo. especially since post of these boards are hardly even touched...


I don't know about MX blues but it's definitely true with vintage/worn MX Browns vs brand new MX browns. It's an obvious difference my brand new Ducky with browns vs my roommate's years old Zowie Celeritas and yet again more noticeable on my much older MX SPOS.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Wed, 30 May 2012, 16:25:20
I just don't think it's "vintage" so much as really worn keyboards feel different.


but I have a bag of old blues and blacks, so I'll just have to see for myself.


also 120 shipped for one of these is disgusting...
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 30 May 2012, 17:02:11
Considering a current production G80-1800 with lasered keycaps is a similar price retail... and it's hard to find them with not blacks. I would say it's hitting the upper limit on a fair price for it though.
There are subtle difference in some vintage switch. Cherry has made some small change in spring weight and some other tiny details over the decades. I had some old blues from late 80's that had a black instead of clear click part of the stem that seemed to be less frictiony for instance. I have confirmed that some very old blacks have a slightly lighter spring and less of an angle on the legs that hit the crosspoint. They are tiny differences and probably only noticeable for those that look for them. The difference in feel is very subtle and could be hard to notice side by side on same board.

Oh, and by the way the Dolch case on mine a couple of you were interested in arrived with a large all the way through crack under the arrows, so I just tossed it.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 01 June 2012, 19:26:21
So do G80-1800HFXs have older blues? How about those black assemblies I got?


Ooh 115 for shipping. God this whole thing is making me hate ebay sellers so much.
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 08 June 2012, 14:00:35
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOLCH-FIELD-PACLAPTOP-NOTEBOOK-COMPUTER-SUITCASE-LAPTOP-WOW-/270994202965?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item3f18836155#ht_735wt_1344

Haven't seen this one before, don't think it's a cherry keyboard though....
Title: So who got this Dolch keyboard?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 08 June 2012, 14:12:18
Very cool even if not MX, briefcase pc is just awesome. If it was... holy f*ck because 1.25 modifiers. Still very likely Cherry, just with ML instead. Looks an awful lot like some model of g86 LPOS line.