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Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:27:07
So it seems that theres a pretty large growing demand for the Red Alert set that KBD did a while ago. Obviously it would be improper for us to copy their set with custom legends and get on their bad sides, but it shouldn't be a problem to make our own red on white basic set. This will use SP's standard text and legends so there would be no custom legends like the one on RA sets. This would make it cheaper for us as well.

Colors would probably be RA on WA:
[ATTACH=CONFIG]51660[/ATTACH]
(hashbaz's photo)

Heres some different ideas i created with illustrator. Last image is messed up though cause i couldn't figure how to change the color of the menu key...but you get the idea it would be white on red.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]51657[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]51658[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]51659[/ATTACH]

Not sure if someone else was planning on doing this, but it would sure look pretty sexy

Please throw out your ideas/comments

and of course for ripster: GLWIC (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?24707-GLWIC-Why-Is-The-Ripster-So-Darn-Pissed-At-Signature-Plastic-Key-Group-Buys)


Read this thread than go vote!!
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?31871-quot-Red-Alert-quot-Group-Buy-Contents
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: yearn4 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:29:13
Me in plz no custom caps  that will make price ri****
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:33:52
Ragnorock planned to do such a GB soon I believe.

Also, we could use the cherry font replica.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:37:40
Well if rag is gonna run it soon we'll leave it to him :)
I thought he was running the portal one again next
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:39:17
He was first thinking about doing the red on white after the portal set, but changed his mind and will run both at the same time.

But I believe he said he'd put them up last week. So well.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: ekw808 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:40:53
any of those other colors on WA would look pretty nice as well
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 15:50:08
I got the template from hazeluff's template zip. The nav clustor would probably be just regular sp arrows
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: WorldExclusive on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:02:02
Quote from: Djuzuh;602103
He was first thinking about doing the red on white after the portal set, but changed his mind and will run both at the same time.

But I believe he said he'd put them up last week. So well.

Rag will post it any day now. I'll go with either.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:02:58
The template with the red modifiers look amazing! Too bad it's still going to be made by SP...
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: i3oilermaker on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:07:54
I'm in no matter what this set end up looking like
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:08:01
Rag is running it last I spoke with him
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:08:19
Let's do it with the Cherry font once that is sorted and get it done properly! I do think that it needs something a bit more interesting to make it feel slightly C&C though...
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:12:00
Also WA is too bright I don't suggest it, RR would look better then RA i think also but these are just my suggestions
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:13:03
Grey modifiers like topre alert!!!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:14:00
Quote from: demik;602134
Grey modifiers like topre alert!!!

I would agree on this also but the red modifier isnt bad

I especially like the red G and red H

ALSO!

Dyesubs please, I went ahead and got pricing for the base 87 set along with tsangan kit and 10keypad kit also like 2 weeks ago when I was speaking about this set :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:17:22
Could the enter key say something like "affirmative" as a nod to C&C? :D
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:19:07
Quote from: longweight;602139
Could the enter key say something like "affirmative" as a nod to C&C? :D

Please no, but if yes please include a regular enter key
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:19:54
I'm not sure about dye-sub, although the pbt feels a little better than abs, but it'll drive prices to near $100 level if we do that
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:20:53
Quote from: tsangan;602141
Please no, but if yes please include a regular enter key

Just a thought, this IC is really nice and I would just like to see it have a little bit more edge to it.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:22:22
Meh, isn't the point of this set to have some very aggressive red smothed by the white? Wouldn't dyesub remove all the aggressivity of the red?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:22:40
Quote from: bavman;602145
I'm not sure about dye-sub, although the pbt feels a little better than abs, but it'll drive prices to near $100 level if we do that

nope, its not that bad, 25%-30% more expensive yes, but the keys will last MUCH longer, and will have nice texture instead of shiny nastiness
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:23:22
Quote from: bavman;602145
I'm not sure about dye-sub, although the pbt feels a little better than abs, but it'll drive prices to near $100 level if we do that


I'd buy the dye-subs even if they're at that price level. SP's PBT is actually fairly decent, compared to their ABS quality. Just take a look at the nyancat keys!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:23:36
Quote from: tsangan;602150
nope, its not that bad, 25%-30% more expensive yes, but the keys will last MUCH longer, and will have nice texture instead of shiny nastiness

Give us an idea of how this will look ;)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:24:05
Quote from: thegunner100;602153
I'd buy the dye-subs even if they're at that price level. SP's PBT is actually fairly decent, compared to their ABS quality. Just take a look at the nyancat keys!

Even better then imsto!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:25:16
Quote from: longweight;602154
Give us an idea of how this will look ;)

nyan cat, meme keys are exemple of SP's dyesub PBT.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:26:19
Quote from: tsangan;602156
Even better then imsto!


imsto's keys are flawless... except for the white capslock :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:26:37
How about this vs red mods?

[ATTACH=CONFIG]51668[/ATTACH]

I guess it could be darker actually
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: i3oilermaker on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:26:54
Isn't the clarity of the legend much better on a DS?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:27:16
Quote from: longweight;602154
Give us an idea of how this will look ;)
Everything highlighted in bold I know we'll hit for sure, likely to be even more as GH has grown a lot in size lately

Prices is without shipping, handling and PP fee.

Pricing for the variations is below:
Standard 87 key layout:
25 sets          $95.50 / set
50 sets          $83.01 / set
75 sets          $78.84 / set
100 sets        $76.76 / set
150 sets        $74.68 / set
200 sets        $73.64 / set
250 sets        $73.01 / set
** SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $75
 
NumPad Addon Kit:
25 sets          $40.89 / set
50 sets          $35.36 / set
75 sets          $33.52 / set
100 sets        $32.60 / set
150 sets        $31.68 / set
200 sets        $31.22 / set
250 sets        $30.94 / set
** SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $40
 
11 Key 'Tsangan' Addonkit:
25 sets          $28.80 / set
50 sets          $23.25 / set
75 sets          $21.39 / set
100 sets        $20.47 / set
150 sets        $19.54 / set
200 sets        $19.08 / set
250 sets        $18.80 / set
**SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $40
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:28:39
Quote from: bavman;602161
How about this vs red mods?

(Attachment) 51668[/ATTACH]

I guess it could be darker actually
(http://i.imgur.com/FmpJl.png)

that is what you want.

in dye sub.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:29:17
OH and we can do ANY FONT in dyesubs
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:30:41
Where can that red alert topre set be found? :O

Edit: Helvetica or Futura!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:31:10
Really? could we get faux cherry ones then in dye-sub then without the extra setup charges?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:31:22
Quote from: tsangan;602168
OH and we can do ANY FONT in dyesubs
Comic Sans :bolt:
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:31:57
Quote from: thegunner100;602170
Where can that red alert topre set be found? :O

Edit: Helvetica or Futura!

can't, thats a sample.

but http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?28054-Interest-Check-Topre-quot-Red-Alert-quot-Keycaps-Red-Print-on-White-Caps

002 is trying to make it happen and topre/rf has shown interest
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:31:59
Quote from: tsangan;602164
Everything highlighted in bold I know we'll hit for sure, likely to be even more as GH has grown a lot in size lately

Prices is without shipping, handling and PP fee.

Pricing for the variations is below:
Standard 87 key layout:
25 sets          $95.50 / set
50 sets          $83.01 / set
75 sets          $78.84 / set
100 sets        $76.76 / set
150 sets        $74.68 / set
200 sets        $73.64 / set
250 sets        $73.01 / set
** SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $75
 
NumPad Addon Kit:
25 sets          $40.89 / set
50 sets          $35.36 / set
75 sets          $33.52 / set
100 sets        $32.60 / set
150 sets        $31.68 / set
200 sets        $31.22 / set
250 sets        $30.94 / set
** SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $40
 
11 Key 'Modifier' Addonkit:
25 sets          $28.80 / set
50 sets          $23.25 / set
75 sets          $21.39 / set
100 sets        $20.47 / set
150 sets        $19.54 / set
200 sets        $19.08 / set
250 sets        $18.80 / set
**SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $40


That for dyesub? WHAT FONT WOULD WE PICK?!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:32:14
Quote from: DeathAdder;602172
Comic Sans :bolt:


:laser: :bolt:
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:32:50
Heres one with slightly darker mods then:

[ATTACH=CONFIG]51669[/ATTACH]

I still like the pure white keys...they look sooooo nice :bounce:
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:32:52
I have made my case for dye subs

-a bit more expensive
-MUCH better quality
-ANY font

DS
-Cheaper and that's it nothing good about it
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:33:58
Quote from: bavman;602177
Heres one with slightly darker mods then:

(Attachment) 51669[/ATTACH]

I still like the pure white keys...they look sooooo nice :bounce:

too bright for those mods.

a softer white would be better IMO.

also PLEASE lets pick a color that SP can actually match unlike what they did with kl's set.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:34:33
The thing i dont like about SP's dye-sub is that not all the keys look exactly the same. Some of the legends shift due to the process. Like in the picture ripster just posted it can completely ruin a set
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:35:16
I also would go for the dyesubs. But not with greyish modifiers. And maybe not pure white...
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:35:48
Quote from: bavman;602181
The thing i dont like about SP's dye-sub is that not all the keys look exactly the same. Some of the legends shift due to the process. Like in the picture ripster just posted it can completely ruin a set
Depends on the GB organizer. If it was me I wouldn't have accepted it, knowing first hand I know SP will replace any keys are are done improper
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:36:30
Quote from: bavman;602181
The thing i dont like about SP's dye-sub is that not all the keys look exactly the same. Some of the legends shift due to the process. Like in the picture ripster just posted it can completely ruin a set


well, we can make it perfect if we don't accept half assed work and we let SP know from the beginning
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:36:50
Quote from: bavman;602181
The thing i dont like about SP's dye-sub is that not all the keys look exactly the same. Some of the legends shift due to the process. Like in the picture ripster just posted it can completely ruin a set


We can take our time and get perfect prototypes with the kind of interest in this set. Really, SP's dyesubs >>>> DS.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:37:49
Quote from: thegunner100;602189
We can take our time and get perfect prototypes with the kind of interest in this set. Really, SP's dyesubs >>>> DS.

Very very VERYYY true
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:39:10
also, i really really think we should go for different color modifiers.

an all red on white is just... boring. the topre alert set is perfect IMO.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:39:33
I would buy this in a heartbeat.

Do it. Do it...
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Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:40:15
We should definitely get a poll going then
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Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:40:17
two tone is the way to go i think :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:40:35
I know there is a off-chance this GB won't happen...
But nonetheless I'm already kinda hyped for this :D
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jrockroll on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:42:50
now I dont have to pay ridiculous price on RD :D
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:42:53
Quote from: DeathAdder;602197
I know there is a off-chance this GB won't happen...
But nonetheless I'm already kinda hyped for this :D

not really, ever since people saw the original red alert set this has been talked about and lusted after.

then 002 brought up the original topre red alert for an interest check.

and DT wanted to do "red alert" from unicomp for model m boards.

so yeah, people want this color way lol.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:45:08
Quote from: ripster;602206
I propose we send a sacrifice of my head to KBDmania in exchange for them letting us use their labels.

It'll be like the movie Seven.

deal
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Post by: funxion on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:45:36
Can there be an options for an inverted "Red Alert" set? I think white on red would be a lot nicer and would cater to the white case crowd.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:46:39
Quote from: bavman;602195
We should definitely get a poll going then


I don't suggest all white as RA was done in that fashion the first time, and simply copying it is very blah

Bad for the communities in the end
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Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:47:15
Dooooo it!

(They won't even know)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:47:18
Quote from: ripster;602206
I propose we send my head as a sacrifice to KBDmania in exchange for them letting us use their labels.
Fixed that for you.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:47:20
Quote from: funxion;602209
Can there be an options for an inverted "Red Alert" set? I think white on red would be a lot nicer and would cater to the white case crowd.

so you want a completely new set?

Quote from: tsangan;602213
I don't suggest all white as RA was done in that fashion the first time, and simply copying it is very blah

Bad for the communities in the end

this.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:49:09
Quote from: demik;602218
so you want a completely new set?


this.


Grey modifiers like the topre set, and then optional white modifers for those who want it perhaps?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:49:46
Quote from: thegunner100;602221
Grey modifiers like the topre set, and then optional white modifers for those who want it perhaps?

thats what OTD did.. im up for it. but it will be $$$
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: metafour on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:50:04
Is SP's dyesub set up to have the same profile as the doubleshots?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: metafour on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:52:01
Quote from: ripster;602222
It's really not a bad font, that Isotherm white on red....

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?29078-IC-New-Signature-Plastic-Fonts!!!!

Yeah, I would love to have just a set of those white on reds from the original RA set. Unfortunately I got outbid on them over at Deskthority.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:52:28
I don't care how much it costs, just as long as it looks awesome!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:54:44
I still like the red modifiers lol
Makes it pop out and still looks nice and neat
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:57:10
What are SP’s prices on low quantity sets? 5, 10 and 15. Just being curious here. :P
(They SHOULD have lower prices here or at least lower them when negotiating since China’s doing this without MOQ, lol)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:58:33
Quote from: Zehkul;602237
What are SP’s prices on low quantity sets? 5, 10 and 15. Just being curious here. :P
(They SHOULD have lower prices here or at least lower them when negotiating since China’s doing this without MOQ, lol)
They do but I doubt anyone will pay those prices

Also my prices has no ISO because Jret doesn't exist in PBT
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:59:30
Quote from: Zehkul;602237
What are SP’s prices on low quantity sets? 5, 10 and 15. Just being curious here. :P
(They SHOULD have lower prices here or at least lower them when negotiating since China’s doing this without MOQ, lol)


just ONE sample doubleshot is 65 dollars.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 16:59:50
Quote from: tsangan;602238
They do but I doubt anyone will pay those prices

Also my prices has no ISO because Jret doesn't exist in PBT

ISO shouldn't exist.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:00:00
Quote from: Zehkul;602237
What are SP’s prices on low quantity sets? 5, 10 and 15. Just being curious here. :P
(They SHOULD have lower prices here or at least lower them when negotiating since China’s doing this without MOQ, lol)


A lot. I think melissa once quoted me $350 for a 37 double shot set if just 1 is ordered
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: boost on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:04:14
Put me down...but it looks really great with the white on red modifiers
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:05:05
Yeah, double shots are a lot, that’s nothing new. Dye subs are available without MOQ on the other hand, they’ve got competition there…

Quote from: tsangan;602238
Also my prices has no ISO because Jret doesn't exist in PBT


LOL! SP has no JRET?

Hahaha
ha

lol. :DD

SP - 0, China ∞
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:07:56
Quote from: Zehkul;602246
Yeah, double shots are a lot, that’s nothing new. Dye subs are available without MOQ on the other hand, they’ve got competition there…



LOL! SP has no JRET?

Hahaha
ha

lol. :DD

SP - 0, China ∞
Until they can make 87 sets + all other size modifiers with custom legends/images on ALL of them SP is still the only one available
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:10:21
They can. Seen enough offers on Taobao. Just other size modifiers are a problem, but seriously, most of us have Filco/Filco clones anyway.

Can SP put legends on the space bar, by the way?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:10:23
Quote from: Zehkul;602246
Yeah, double shots are a lot, that’s nothing new. Dye subs are available without MOQ on the other hand, they’ve got competition there…



LOL! SP has no JRET?

Hahaha
ha

lol. :DD

SP - 0, China ∞

and china has dye sub pbt jret?

news to me
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:11:41
Seen one from Vortex. :-) Isn’t available though, yeah.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:12:28
pics? never seen it.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:12:48
Quote from: Zehkul;602249
They can. Seen enough offers on Taobao.

Can SP put legends on the space bar, by the way?

Last I heard they do custom legends but the prices stays around the same.

Look at the GB Changdrew is running its like $2.06 for a 1x key and backspace is $7.50 will there be a price drop?

Will their customer service be on par as SP? Mistake happen and they replace it?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:16:06
Quote from: tsangan;602254
Will their customer service be on par as SP? Mistake happen and they replace it?

I feel like it would be a pain in the butt since its coming from overseas and theres a chance it'll get stuck in customs
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:17:11
also, please no PBT spacebars.

90% of them look like crap. never completely flat
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: longweight on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:17:47
We need a big pole!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:18:54
Quote from: ripster
Show Image
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/KMAC/Red%20Alert/DSC07457.jpg)


Isotherm would be great, even an inverted version of this color set.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:22:01
Quote from: demik;602253
pics? never seen it.


(http://s7.directupload.net/images/120529/dr2og3ux.jpg)

Quote from: tsangan;602254
Look at the GB Changdrew is running its like $2.06 for a 1x key and backspace is $7.50 will there be a price drop?


Complete sets should be cheaper, yes. I don’t know anything specific, but asking can’t hurt, before you’re going to throw your money at SP, no? Imsto clearly said he can do “any layout”.

Quote from: tsangan;602254
Will their customer service be on par as SP? Mistake happen and they replace it?


That’s the only problem, yeah.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:22:05
Quote from: longweight;602263
We need a big pole!

Already there.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]51671[/ATTACH]
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:23:14
Quote from: Zehkul;602271
Show Image
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/120529/dr2og3ux.jpg)




Complete sets should be cheaper, yes. I don’t know anything specific, but asking can’t hurt, before you’re going to throw your money at SP, no? Imsto clearly said he can do “any layout”.



That’s the only problem, yeah.
oh, nice.


now to wait for it to come out in 2014 with the rest of their products.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:24:33
Sadly. :-{
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: funxion on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:24:38
Wouldn't it be cheaper if there were just two sets as part of the same order to SP? Since the layout proposed in the OP has alternating red on white and white on red function key sub-sets, the same could be done for the white on red  set but reversed.

Just an idea. Not sure if it would save money or not, but that way this GB (if it was to happen) benefits more of the community.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:24:58
Vortex doesn't do custom orders

Quote from: funxion;602277
Wouldn't it be cheaper if there were just two sets as part of the same order to SP? Since the layout proposed in the OP has alternating red on white and white on red function key sub-sets, the same could be done for the white on red  set but reversed.

Just an idea. Not sure if it would save money or not, but that way this GB (if it was to happen) benefits more of the community.

You save no money, regardless of layout once the colour is different it has it's own separate MOQ
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:25:41
Quote from: demik
now to wait for to come out in 2014 with the rest of their products.

Since the world is ending in December, I wouldn't worry about that.

:happy:
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: funxion on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:26:10
Quote from: MagicMeatball;602265
Isotherm would be great, even an inverted version of this color set.

The number row in that photo is exactly what I mean!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:26:22
Quote from: funxion;602277
Wouldn't it be cheaper if there were just two sets as part of the same order to SP? Since the layout proposed in the OP has alternating red on white and white on red function key sub-sets, the same could be done for the white on red  set but reversed.

Just an idea. Not sure if it would save money or not, but that way this GB (if it was to happen) benefits more of the community.
i dont understand what you're asking o.O

sounds like you want 2 group buys ran together that don't benefit each other
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:26:35
Quote from: MagicMeatball;602280
Since the world is ending in December, I wouldn't worry about that.

:happy:

Which is why we need this set ASAP!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: funxion on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:29:21
Quote from: tsangan;602278
Vortex doesn't do custom orders


You save no money, regardless of layout once the colour is different it has it's own separate MOQ

Right...so wouldn't it be cheaper to just coordinate a full set of red on white caps and a full set of white on red? The GB organizer can offer certain adjustment like alternating colors of function row groupings, modifiers, etc. Just trying to think of cost-effective strategies!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:30:14
Quote from: Zehkul;602271
Show Image
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/120529/dr2og3ux.jpg)





What is that black on white keycap set from?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:31:32
Quote from: funxion;602285
Right...so wouldn't it be cheaper to just coordinate a full set of red on white caps and a full set of white on red? The GB organizer can offer certain adjustment like alternating colors of function row groupings, modifiers, etc. Just trying to think of cost-effective strategies!

nope it wouldn't.

because you'd still have to pay for 2 different sets. there is no money saving once you change colors.


the only smart cost effective strategy is base set + add ons.

everybody benefits from having just one base set.

also, the way you want it will be too much picking and choosing and a ton of work for the organizer.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:32:10
Quote from: funxion;602285
Right...so wouldn't it be cheaper to just coordinate a full set of red on white caps and a full set of white on red? The GB organizer can offer certain adjustment like alternating colors of function row groupings, modifiers, etc. Just trying to think of cost-effective strategies!
Except that people don't want white on red for alpha numeric unless I'm wrong, and even then it's a separate GB why would you combine it when both don't benefit from each other, there won't be any cost saving in anyway.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: funxion on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:32:14
Alright, I tried!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:35:22
I'm working on this set right now. Order thread goes up tomorrow if Melissa replies to my emails.

Font choice?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:37:13
wyse

or helvetica
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:39:40
helvetica is a nice choice

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/HelveticaSpecimenCH.svg/396px-HelveticaSpecimenCH.svg.png)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:40:02
Maybe someone could illustrate isotherm on a full set? I think that could look quite good.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:45:43
Quote from: Ragnorock;602295
I'm working on this set right now. Order thread goes up tomorrow if Melissa replies to my emails.

Font choice?


Helvetica or Futura.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:47:52
Yeah, that's the font I meant, ripster.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:51:07
I'm just going to use comic sans and troll all of you.

Also I'm holding off on announcing exactly what it is going to be until I put the thread up, since I'm not sure what Melissa is willing to do and isn't, but it'll be fairly similar to the original set:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?31627-Red-Alert-base-set-170keys

But most likely on PBT and structured just like the Ragnarok GB in terms of base set + add ons. I'm also changing the way I price things out so there should be less complaints of profit mongering. >.>

Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Choi Young Gyoo on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:52:57
i want white-blue color more
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:57:10
Because you already have an original RA set? :D


Is the contrast of SP's dyesubs the same as their doubleshot?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Mon, 28 May 2012, 17:57:44
Quote from: Ragnorock;602308
But most likely on PBT and structured just like the Ragnarok GB in terms of base set + add ons.


Great! I’m really interested in what the low quantity prices will look like. Maybe you can mention to her that China doesn’t have MOQs and still nice prices? xD

Quote from: DeathAdder;602312
Is the contrast of SP's dyesubs the same as their doubleshot?


Dye sublimation never has the same contrast. The colors are great, but it’s a bit fuzzy at the edges. It still feels way better and is more durable.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: yearn4 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:13:32
Quote from: bavman;602177
Heres one with slightly darker mods then:

(Attachment) 51669[/ATTACH]

I still like the pure white keys...they look sooooo nice :bounce:


yess i love grey modifiers
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:16:53
Dunno about you guys, but the contrast on my dye subs is just as good as that on my doubleshots... but that's my opinion. If we do DS we have to pay a bunch in sorting fees that we didn't have to near as much in the Ragnarok GB because we got lucky.

Also this is going to have 200-300 sets ordered. Its going to be huge.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:17:43
Definitely dyesubs
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:39:58
enough doubleshots, about time a good pbt set comes around.

also, double check with melissa if they can do better on the spacebar.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:45:24
Do better how? It won't be PBT because it bows too much and doesn't work. If you're talking about color matching I'm obviously going to ask for the closest match to it. Also the white is the same white from Nyancat, Portal etc that we've been using.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:47:13
Yes, a flat PBT spacebar is a must. Or at least matching ABS.
This set should be close perfection (at least that's the dream)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:47:21
color matching.

if their pbt white is similar/exactly like their abs white.

don't want the same thing that happened to kl's set to happen to this one. even thought it is just white.. better to double check, no?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:47:29
Just ABS is fine, since it's white it should be easy match
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 18:49:19
i blame SP.

they told kl what color to use that they could match to the PBT set.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 19:01:59
Quote from: DeathAdder;602352
Yes, a flat PBT spacebar is a must. Or at least matching ABS.
This set should be close perfection (at least that's the dream)


Seriously, no more sharp spacebars please...
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 19:04:50
Quote from: thegunner100;602371
Seriously, no more sharp spacebars please...

This probably can't be helped, but I know exactly what you mean
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 28 May 2012, 19:05:14
I'm in for a set if either Helvetica or the Cherry replica font is used.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 May 2012, 19:38:05
I really want this set. Red modifiers. Colors should be RA on WFK. Standard WYSE font. Ragnorock, make it happen! :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Mon, 28 May 2012, 20:03:47
Well until this thread I had no intention of doing red modifiers AND grey modifiers- I had only planned on doing red on grey. Depending on the counts, we may do more add ons than I originally intended (red num row and/or modifiers.)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 20:04:39
Quote from: jdcarpe;602395
Red modifiers.

This, please.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 20:07:14
Quote from: Ragnorock;602402
Well until this thread I had no intention of doing red modifiers AND grey modifiers- I had only planned on doing red on grey. Depending on the counts, we may do more add ons than I originally intended (red num row and/or modifiers.)

Please do red. This just looks amazing, and we don't have to copy verbatim, the RA set.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]51693[/ATTACH]
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Mon, 28 May 2012, 20:14:17
Quote from: Ragnorock;602402
Well until this thread I had no intention of doing red modifiers AND grey modifiers- I had only planned on doing red on grey. Depending on the counts, we may do more add ons than I originally intended (red num row and/or modifiers.)
red on white and red on grey will work
[ATTACH=CONFIG]51694[/ATTACH]

white on red will not, you cannot dyesub white onto red

My suggestion keep it with grey and do it dyesub

Also if you're looking for white/red that is coming out soon via keyboardstory/kbdmania for us to buy, so why make something that we KNOW is coming out

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30708-Updates-on-all-products
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: hashbaz on Mon, 28 May 2012, 20:16:13
I love the red modifiers.  Though I think I would rather have PBT.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 20:18:58
Quote from: hashbaz;602410
I love the red modifiers.  Though I think I would rather have PBT.


Agreed... pbt's the way to go!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Mon, 28 May 2012, 20:22:49
Quote from: tsangan

Also if you're looking for white/red that is coming out soon via keyboardstory/kbdmania for us to buy, so why make something that we KNOW is coming out

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30708-Updates-on-all-products

Where do you see this? Where are the sample pieces?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 May 2012, 21:23:30
No, no... No PBT dyesubs. Imsto sells those all day. Red legends on white DS with red modifiers, WYSE font, please! I call it the Klaxon set!!! I was about to post an IC thread for just that set, myself.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=51693&d=1338235928)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: nntnam on Mon, 28 May 2012, 21:53:06
Now, it should be the time for PBT dyesub. My suggestion is:

1/ A base set with grey modifiers.

2/ A add-on kit contains red or white modifiers (and everything else we want?!)

3/ Using helvetica.

P/s: I don't support the idea using white/red color scheme much. Because it may make the set look like red & cream cheese set?!!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Nask on Mon, 28 May 2012, 22:16:22
Woot, a kind of a new red-alert keycaps, sure I'll be part of this group buy.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 22:22:21
Red mods FTW
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 May 2012, 22:26:14
Here you go for all those wanting red legends on white PBT dyesubs, with grey modifiers:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30405-round-2-dyesub-105-and-105-rainbow-jelly-keycaps-group (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30405-round-2-dyesub-105-and-105-rainbow-jelly-keycaps-group)

Why would we do a group buy for these? Just to get them for less than $86 plus shipping? Thegunner100 did a mini-GB for these to save on shipping to the US.

I know these would be similar to the Cream Cheese & Whatever color sets, but honestly, there are only so many ways you can change these layouts. Contrasting the alphanum keys with the modifiers is about the only way to do it. And red/white seems to be a popular choice right now.

We have had Dolch replicas, Space Cadet replicas, Miami Vice-inspired sets, etc. We could do a WYSE replica set, but that is for another IC. These would be similar to the RA set, but different enough to be unique. I have some other ideas, but I will wait to share them until some of these GB's calm down. My wallet can't take much more at this point.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: mkawa on Mon, 28 May 2012, 22:41:37
i don't really like red modifiers; too gaudy. but, i also don't see what would distinguish this set with grey modifiers from imsto's. i think this is where we should get creative. maybe a particularly adventurous font and symbol set? targeted use of non-white/grey keys within the layout? mixing in some copacetic key colors? (non-primaries!)

i also vote dye sub PBT for whatever this becomes. there have been enough DS sets lately, and the next major DS set should be the dolch replicas w/ cherry font.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: 1391401 on Mon, 28 May 2012, 22:45:13
Quote from: bavman;602161
How about this vs red mods?
(Attachment) 51668 (Attachment)
I guess it could be darker actually
Would buy
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tobr1an on Mon, 28 May 2012, 22:45:36
Looking really nice!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:04:35
Quote from: jdcarpe;602473
Here you go for all those wanting red legends on white PBT dyesubs, with grey modifiers:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30405-round-2-dyesub-105-and-105-rainbow-jelly-keycaps-group

Why would we do a group buy for these? Just to get them for less than $86 plus shipping? Thegunner100 did a mini-GB for these to save on shipping to the US.

I know these would be similar to the Cream Cheese & Whatever color sets, but honestly, there are only so many ways you can change these layouts. Contrasting the alphanum keys with the modifiers is about the only way to do it. And red/white seems to be a popular choice right now.

We have had Dolch replicas, Space Cadet replicas, Miami Vice-inspired sets, etc. We could do a WYSE replica set, but that is for another IC. These would be similar to the RA set, but different enough to be unique. I have some other ideas, but I will wait to share them until some of these GB's calm down. My wallet can't take much more at this point.
Umm, I don't see anywhere in that thread where it confirms that he is selling those. There is a huge demand for this set, so obviously he isn't delivering the goods people want.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:15:08
Quote from: imsto;577025
images of dyesub 105keys could found  here (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?25897-here-we-are-thick-dyesub-group)

the price is 86$   only blue and red available.
blank ones 59$
express shipping  25$        arrive in 7 days after shipping
post office shipping 15$        arrive at about 20 days later, maybe more.


Basically saying that those two colors of legends are available on his round 1 style PBT dyesubs. White with grey modifiers. If you follow the link there, and then follow DanGWanG's link in the 2nd post of that thread, you get to imsto's taobao page where it shows images of those sets with red or blue legends.

Quote from: DanGWanG;486750
For reference, imsto is referring to these keycaps: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14125887532

So just for clarification, these keycaps are a full 104-set and we can get them in blue, red, green, purple and yellow text with the keycap color as classic beige, correct?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:17:39
Quote from: jdcarpe;602473
Here you go for all those wanting red legends on white PBT dyesubs, with grey modifiers:

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30405-round-2-dyesub-105-and-105-rainbow-jelly-keycaps-group (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30405-round-2-dyesub-105-and-105-rainbow-jelly-keycaps-group)

Why would we do a group buy for these? Just to get them for less than $86 plus shipping? Thegunner100 did a mini-GB for these to save on shipping to the US.

I know these would be similar to the Cream Cheese & Whatever color sets, but honestly, there are only so many ways you can change these layouts. Contrasting the alphanum keys with the modifiers is about the only way to do it. And red/white seems to be a popular choice right now.

We have had Dolch replicas, Space Cadet replicas, Miami Vice-inspired sets, etc. We could do a WYSE replica set, but that is for another IC. These would be similar to the RA set, but different enough to be unique. I have some other ideas, but I will wait to share them until some of these GB's calm down. My wallet can't take much more at this point.
reasons to go with sp:

a) we can pick the font we want
b) most of us have SP keycaps that will fit the same profile
c) white capslock..really?
d) iso set, tsangan set etc etc
e) more whites to pick from
f) non crappy PBT spacebar.

i mean, you guys are welcomed to do white on red or w/e sets you want. but this is specifically for a similar to red alert set.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:25:52
Quote from: demik;602493
because

a) we can pick the font we want
b) most of us have SP keycaps that will fit the same profile
c) white capslock..really?
d) iso set, tsangan set etc etc
e) more whites to pick from
f) non crappy PBT spacebar.


Okay. Good points, all. And I agree with most of them. I'm just out if these are dyesubs, and in if doubleshot with red modifiers. My fingers just aren't that picky when it comes to PBT or ABS, especially when you can only get white on red (or any other color) with doubleshots, not dyesubs

Quote from: demik;602493
i mean, you guys are welcomed to do white on red or w/e sets you want. but this is specifically for a similar to red alert set.


I thought that's what this thread was: Thread: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: WorldExclusive on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:27:30
Quote from: Ragnorock;602488
Umm, I don't see anywhere in that thread where it confirms that he is selling those. There is a huge demand for this set, so obviously he isn't delivering the goods people want.

I'm just waiting for your pending Red Alert GB.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:31:14
I feel like we should run these as double-shots just cause they good and we can satisfy everyone who wants different mods/styles
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:31:54
Quote from: jdcarpe;602496
Okay. Good points, all. And I agree with most of them. I'm just out if these are dyesubs, and in if doubleshot with red modifiers. My fingers just aren't that picky when it comes to PBT or ABS, especially when you can only get white on red (or any other color) with doubleshots, not dyesubs



I thought that's what this thread was: Thread: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?

i was talking about the guy that wanted to do an inverse set.. which made no sense o.O
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:33:09
Quote from: demik;602500
i was talking about the guy that wanted to do an inverse set.. which made no sense o.O

Just for the modifiers cause it gives it more style
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 May 2012, 23:33:34
Quote from: demik;602500
i was talking about the guy that wanted to do an inverse set.. which made no sense o.O

Yeah, I don't think there's much interest in a complete white legend on red set. Maybe 1. :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 01:10:13
Once again keyboard story will have red and white done in August joint project with kbdmania, so i dont know why you guys are asking to do something that is getting done already

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30708-Updates-on-all-products
they 3 sets, red/white blue/white and green/white
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: nntnam on Tue, 29 May 2012, 01:14:30
Quote from: tsangan;602564
Once again keyboard story will have red and white done in August joint project with kbdmania, so i dont know why you guys are asking to do something that is getting done already

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30708-Updates-on-all-products
they 3 sets, red/white blue/white and green/white

Agree, we should have sthing differently. I'll vote for PBT dyesbub & helvetica :behindsofa:
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Wraul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 02:49:46
Quote from: jdcarpe;602502
Yeah, I don't think there's much interest in a complete white legend on red set. Maybe 1. :)

I would definitely be in for such a set.
That would be something unique. Something that's different from how a regular keyboard looks.

I also would like to voice my support for an all red on white set and the white on red modifiers.

We have the possibility to do almost any color combination we could dream about. Yet we keep making these bland sets.
Miami and Cream cheese being the exception and I'm part of both to show my support, even though I don't really like the colors of Miami.

How would a off white and grey whit red dysub letters be that different from the old rubber dome keyboard lying next to me?
The red letters on anything other than pure white would lose intensity as seen by the nyan cat prototypes. My guess is that the letters would look almost like regular black/grey letters to anything but a close inspection.

I hope I haven't offended anyone. If so I would like to apologize.
I'm really grateful for all the hard work that goes into these group buys. I try to take part in as many as I can afford and motivate. Just wish there were a few more inspirational color choices.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 03:08:07
Quote from: Wraul;602589
I would definitely be in for such a set.
That would be something unique. Something that's different from how a regular keyboard looks.

I also would like to voice my support for an all red on white set and the white on red modifiers.

We have the possibility to do almost any color combination we could dream about. Yet we keep making these bland sets.
Miami and Cream cheese being the exception and I'm part of both to show my support, even though I don't really like the colors of Miami.

How would a off white and grey whit red dysub letters be that different from the old rubber dome keyboard lying next to me?
The red letters on anything other than pure white would lose intensity as seen by the nyan cat prototypes. My guess is that the letters would look almost like regular black/grey letters to anything but a close inspection.

I hope I haven't offended anyone. If so I would like to apologize.
I'm really grateful for all the hard work that goes into these group buys. I try to take part in as many as I can afford and motivate. Just wish there were a few more inspirational color choices.

This is exactly my point. But I think they basically just want a Red Alert copy, so we probably need to look elsewhere for something more original.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 04:34:29
Quote from: demik;602493
reasons to go with sp:

d) iso set, tsangan set etc etc


No ISO if no JRET.

Quote from: demik;602493
f) non crappy PBT spacebar.


Crappy ABS spacebar.

:-)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: snowboarder3 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 04:44:35
Definitely interested in PBT with grey modifiers. Definitely a geekhack key. I know it would never happen but a dvorak/colemak kit would be awesome, but that's just me picking something that I specifically want, obviously kits that benefit the greater good would be better.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 29 May 2012, 04:53:34
Quote from: MagicMeatball;602595
This is exactly my point. But I think they basically just want a Red Alert copy, so we probably need to look elsewhere for something more original.


Just wait for Round 5, then.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: snowboarder3 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 05:01:31
Quote from: 7bit;602613
Just wait for Round 5, then.
(http://i.imgur.com/aZrED.jpg)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 07:00:04
Quote from: tsangan;602564
Once again keyboard story will have red and white done in August joint project with kbdmania, so i dont know why you guys are asking to do something that is getting done already

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?30708-Updates-on-all-products
they 3 sets, red/white blue/white and green/white

Because:

1. Those are Cream Cheese & RGB, not White.

1a. Why would Keyboard Story and KBDmania do CC&G again? KBD did the first one, and then you yourself made a round of it available to us (I am looking forward to my sets).

2. Pricing. Maybe we can get these cheaper if we do them ourselves, and get SP tier pricing? I don't know about this one. What price will KS/KBD be charging for their sets? Anyone know? Will it be SP tier pricing, or a set price? I'm not saying they are trying to rip anyone off, we just don't have any idea at this point.

3. Availability. How easy is it to order a CC&G, CC&Blue, or Graphite set right now?

Edit: Almost forgot. 4. Options. We could do the red modifiers as standard but have an option for white modifiers, if people want those. And/or a red number row. Also, add-ons for tsangan kits, 10-key kits, ISO kits, etc.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Greg Dron on Tue, 29 May 2012, 07:31:20
The white on red set is super sexy.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 09:24:25
Quote from: jdcarpe;602650
Because:

1. Those are Cream Cheese & RGB, not White.

1a. Why would Keyboard Story and KBDmania do CC&G again? KBD did the first one, and then you yourself made a round of it available to us (I am looking forward to my sets).

2. Pricing. Maybe we can get these cheaper if we do them ourselves, and get SP tier pricing? I don't know about this one. What price will KS/KBD be charging for their sets? Anyone know? Will it be SP tier pricing, or a set price? I'm not saying they are trying to rip anyone off, we just don't have any idea at this point.

3. Availability. How easy is it to order a CC&G, CC&Blue, or Graphite set right now?

Edit: Almost forgot. 4. Options. We could do the red modifiers as standard but have an option for white modifiers, if people want those. And/or a red number row. Also, add-ons for tsangan kits, 10-key kits, ISO kits, etc.
1. They are making 3 DIFFERENT versions one is with red

2. Not my call as I do not know

3. It will be available because that's what Keyboardstory wants to do.

4. We as in who? I still see a mix amount of grey/white/red modifiers with grey and white leading, I for one do not want to see red modifiers as a standard set, part of that is because I KNOW a set is coming out with red as modifiers.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 10:13:37
I guess Bavman could run a GB for the doubleshot set with red modifiers, and Ragnorock could run the GB for the PBT dyesubs. Or we could take a poll?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 10:17:13
Quote from: jdcarpe;602788
I guess Bavman could run a GB for the doubleshot set with red modifiers, and Ragnorock could run the GB for the PBT dyesubs. Or we could take a poll?


Problem with that is that it'll split up orders, so the sets will be more expensive.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 10:35:53
Or we could just wait a month or so to free peoples pockets up lol

But its probably not a good idea. Its better to find a middle ground for everyone
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 10:36:55
Quote from: Zehkul;602608
No ISO if no JRET.



Crappy ABS spacebar.

:-)

easier to replace than to fix a warped PBT spacebar. but hey, if that does it for you...

Quote from: snowboarder3;602615
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aZrED.jpg)


:rofl:
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 29 May 2012, 10:40:25
Quote from: bavman;602807
Or we could just wait a month or so to free peoples pockets up lol

But its probably not a good idea. Its better to find a middle ground for everyone


As long as Round 4 is on, people will not have much money. The ideal time for this group buy will be between Round 4 and Round 5. So get your stuff prepared and take orders once Round 4 is shipped.

The Koreans want to start their group buy in August => perfect time!

Well ahead of Round 5 and some gap to Round 4, so pockets will be filled up again.

:-)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Tue, 29 May 2012, 10:41:21
Quote from: 7bit;602812
Well ahead of Round 5 and some gap to Round 4, so pockets will be filled up again.

Are you sure? Because I'm not.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 11:03:38
Quote from: 7bit;602613
Just wait for Round 5, then.


As I stated before, the world will end before that time comes.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 11:04:32
Quote from: 7bit
once Round 4 is shipped.

When is that? :P
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 11:48:04
Ok, so far the IC breaks down like this, as far as I can tell from reading every post:

Interested in DOUBLESHOT with RED modifiers. Options: Possibly RED number row, WHITE modifiers, tsangan kit, 10-keypad, ISO kit:
1. bavman
2. jdcarpe
3. MagicMeatball
4. Wraul
5. Greg Dron
6. boost
7. ripster?
8. jcrouse

Interested in PBT DYESUBS with GREY modifiers. Options: WHITE modifiers, tsangan kit, 10-keypad, (ISO not possible, no JRET):
1. Ragnorock
2. thegunner100
3. tsangan
4. Demik
5. DeathAdder
6. mkawa
7. nntnam
8. snowboarder3
9. 4en?
10. 1391401?
11. hashbaz
12. jcrouse

Interested, no preference:
1. Funxion
2. Zehkul
3. longweight
4. tjweir
5. Nask
6. WorldExclusive
7. tobr1an
8. i3oilermaker
9. ekw808

Did I miss anyone? Get your preference wrong?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 11:50:43
hashbaz for PBT DYESUBS with GREY modifiers by me just glancing at the list
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 29 May 2012, 11:53:05
I will be in for one of each.

John
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Tue, 29 May 2012, 11:55:40
Well, if you list it like that, I rather would put me in the DS section as I don't like greyish modifiers...
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 11:59:36
count me out if it's anything but pbt dye sub with grey mods.

red mods look dumb, and it's about time we move away from doubleshot to dye sub pbt.

here's hoping the koreans get it right.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:00:39
Put options for white modifiers, etc.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:03:23
Quote from: demik;602909
count me out if it's anything but pbt dye sub with grey mods.

I feel the same way, but about doubleshots with red modifiers.

That's why I think this should be two separate GB's. I don't think it will split orders, since some people just want one or the other. You wouldn't buy the DS's, and I wouldn't buy the dyesubs.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:03:58
I never said I was interested, I only joined the conversation xD
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:16:23
Quote from: MagicMeatball;602843
When is that? :P


Ripster? Is that you?

Quote from: demik;602909
count me out if it's anything but pbt dye sub with grey mods.

red mods look dumb, and it's about time we move away from doubleshot to dye sub pbt.

here's hoping the koreans get it right.



I'm for doubleshots because the look of the labels is much better (sharper edges). Dye subs are fuzzy.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Marclgw on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:24:23
In if the sets are grey modifiers.

Red modifiers looks too bright.

May you wanna use windows 8 logo instead of the current one?

=D
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Mugen on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:27:12
So in. 3rd design is the bomb!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:29:47
Quote from: Marclgw;602929
May you wanna use windows 8 logo instead of the current one?

Windows 8 is teh suck. Wait for Windows 9. See also: Windows ME, Windows Vista
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:32:34
Quote from: Marclgw;602929
In if the sets are grey modifiers.

Red modifiers looks too bright.

May you wanna use windows 8 logo instead of the current one?

=D

FINALLY somebody understands. red mods = TOO bright.

maybe if the red was a little darker it would look less ugly. but as it stands.. bleh.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:38:53
I’m not really interested (in this GB, highly interested in dye sub PBTs in general though), I’ll most likely have China do my sets. Alternative layouts, you know ;P
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:39:27
Quote from: demik;602933
FINALLY somebody understands. red mods = TOO bright.

maybe if the red was a little darker it would look less ugly. but as it stands.. bleh.


Says a mod with a red frame and 2 white on red keys in his avatar!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:40:17
How much do you think you'll have to pay if you order only one set?

Also, can't you touch type? Or is it to show off that you are using neo? :P.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 12:44:40
Quote from: 7bit;602939
Says a mod with a red frame and 2 white on red keys in his avatar!

^.^

i dont own that keyboard anymore tho!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:02:58
Quote from: demik;602943
^.^

i dont own that keyboard anymore tho!

Still counts!

We could always go for a darker red, I don't mind it as long as the idea is pretty much the same
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:06:37
Quote from: bavman;602960
Still counts!

We could always go for a darker red, I don't mind it as long as the idea is pretty much the same

That's what I'm saying. We can always go with WFK and RBV or similar. I don't think anyone is a go/no-go on just the color codes. But red modifiers of any shade are not possible with white legends in dyesub.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Acanthophis on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:12:30
Quote from: jdcarpe;602966
We can always go with WFK and RBV or similar.
This. In DS.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:34:36
Quote from: demik;602943
^.^

i dont own that keyboard anymore tho!


Is that the one which went to webwit?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:35:00
Quote from: demik
red mods look dumb


Your opinion.

Anyways, the title of this thread reads "Double-shots", and followed up with a layout with red modifiers. In 'my opinion', the look great. Why do we need to copy the Koreans on everything?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:35:41
Quote from: 7bit;602986
Is that the one which went to webwit?

nope, mine was sold to a GHer recently.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:37:55
Quote from: MagicMeatball;602987
Why do we need to copy the Koreans on everything?

I am trying to prevent that

red numeric, wyse/isotherm font, double shot
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:49:19
Quote from: 7bit
Ripster? Is that you?


It was a valid question :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: yearn4 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:50:11
should stop argue and just make a poll! so we know which set will have more customers and therefore be cheaper
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:51:40
I'm pretty sure both options will end up with the same number of customers. But everyone has his preferences.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:54:35
I'm just going to say this once more that KBDmania/keyboard story is doing red/white set with the red mods people want, yes no red numeric row but in exchange you get kbdmania's special font ie CCnG and graphite font
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 29 May 2012, 13:57:16
Quote from: tsangan;602990
I am trying to prevent that

red numeric, wyse/isotherm font, double shot

I really like it. It indeed doesn't make sense to exactly copy the Red Alert. Also, if both versions are available (red on white and white on red modifiers) there should be something for everybody. Can't see that this should not be successful.

The white on red modifiers could also bring some people in who already have a Red Alert and want some change for the modifiers.

And last but not least: RA/WA is a perfect choice as a complement kit for my Keyboard Runner and Lotus keys!

:-)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:04:52
Quote from: MagicMeatball;602987
Why do we need to copy the Koreans on everything?


Because they rock. :-D

And it really is pretty dumb to do it while they do the same set, just better. And saying you can’t wait 2 months in pretty strange considering we’re doing group buys here.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:08:15
(http://i.imgur.com/FmpJl.png)

i'll just leave this right here.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: nntnam on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:13:18
Quote from: demik;603024
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/FmpJl.png)


i'll just leave this right here.

SP's PBT white can be even whiter than that. And that will give  better contrast.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:13:46
Can someone with a color set post a pic of WCK/WFK/WA and RA/RBV/RCQ/RR please?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:22:28
Quote from: nntnam;603028
SP's PBT white can be even whiter than that. And that will give  better contrast.

i think that white is perfect.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: WorldExclusive on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:22:36
So long as there are white modifiers, I'll go with either one. I don't want to split demand.
I'm not that into Grey mods because it's not unqiue. Everything looks like an IBM clone at some point. White on red brings something different to the table.
That's also the reason why I went with the Miami set, and I may by a Cream Cheese set when the extra's arrive.

Sometimes being "eccentric" is good. WTF could turn into something awesome, in this case, white on red mods.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:27:12
Quote from: Zehkul;603021
Because they rock. :-D

And it really is pretty dumb to do it while they do the same set, just better. And saying you can’t wait 2 months in pretty strange considering we’re doing group buys here.


'Because they rock' isn't a reason to copy them. As far as I can tell, the red on white with red on grey modifiers looks exactly like the Imsto set.

Where did I say I can't wait 2 months? I have already been waiting on Round 4, so clearly I don't mind :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:28:47
Quote from: jdcarpe;603029
Can someone with a color set post a pic of WCK/WFK/WA and RA/RBV/RCQ/RR please?


I have a PBT SP color chain, you need pics of that?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:29:04
But that's what this DS set is trying to do, white with red wyse font looks 100% like Red Alert from OTD/DT not to mention the red numeric row and so on

Which is why I am trying to change that, dyesubs allow for any type of font which will be MUCH more unique.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:29:59
Quote from: MagicMeatball;603041
I have a PBT SP color chain, you need pics of that?

If you don't mind. I am curious how different the Cream Cheese and Red set will be from a White and Red set.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:30:13
helvetica!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: WorldExclusive on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:31:59
Quote from: tsangan;603042
But that's what this DS set is trying to do, white with red wyse font looks 100% like Red Alert from OTD/DT not to mention the red numeric row and so on

Which is why I am trying to change that, dyesubs allow for any type of font which will be MUCH more unique.

Point taken. Someone already said Helvetica. Futura is a fav of mine also.
Thick PBT subs would be great.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:32:32
Quote from: jdcarpe;603045
If you don't mind. I am curious how different the Cream Cheese and Red set will be from a White and Red set.

I actually don't know the red that was used for that CCnR, I'll go see if I can find out :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:33:12
it's a dark red IIRC
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Wraul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:33:49
Quote from: tsangan;603013
I'm just going to say this once more that KBDmania/keyboard story is doing red/white set with the red mods people want, yes no red numeric row but in exchange you get kbdmania's special font ie CCnG and graphite font

Correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't those sets red/cream? Sure they are nice but not remotely close to the clean futuristic look provided by pure white.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:35:57
Quote from: Wraul;603053
Correct me if I'm wrong. But aren't those sets red/cream? Sure they are nice but not remotely close to the clean futuristic look provided by pure white.
I was stating that for the people that are looking for red/white

As for all white with Wyse font, that is just 95% copy of OTD/DT's set which is very bad for the communities :(
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:37:19
Quote from: tsangan;603057
As for all white with Wyse font, that is just 100% copy of OTD/DT's set which is very bad for the communities :(

I'm cool with Isotherm. Is it $25 legend fee per key to use those?!?!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:39:08
Quote from: jdcarpe;603060
I'm cool with Isotherm. Is it $25 legend fee per key to use those?!?!
$40 x83 (no need to do alt, control, shift, win twice)

$3320 is your grand total for legends, that money is better well spent on the Cherry replica font which all the SVG is done and just need to move into the next step.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:45:28
It won't be the same as imsto's set. This set would have brighter whites and reds, which i prefer over the beige keys.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Wraul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:46:37
Quote from: tsangan;603057
I was stating that for the people that are looking for red/white

As for all white with Wyse font, that is just 95% copy of OTD/DT's set which is very bad for the communities :(

I don't really see how producing a similar set would be a negative thing. I'm sure there are a lot of people both here and over at OTD/DT that would love the opportunity to buy such a set.
Having missed out on the OTD/DT set I sure would really like the chance to get something similar.

Doing something like red modifiers would both give the set an edge and further separate it from the previous set.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:48:04
Quote from: Wraul;603074
I don't really see how producing a similar set would be a negative thing. I'm sure there are a lot of people both here and over at OTD/DT that would love the opportunity to buy such a set.
Having missed out on the OTD/DT set I sure would really like the chance to get something similar.

Doing something like red modifiers would both give the set an edge and further separate it from the previous set.

The owner/GB organiser of the first red alert set didn't want anybody to make this GB again.

So if we do the same, we are going against his will. Which means korean boards won't trust/like us.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:50:06
Quote from: Wraul;603074
I don't really see how producing a similar set would be a negative thing. I'm sure there are a lot of people both here and over at OTD/DT that would love the opportunity to buy such a set.
Having missed out on the OTD/DT set I sure would really like the chance to get something similar.

Doing something like red modifiers would both give the set an edge and further separate it from the previous set.
Unfortunately that is is not the case they were not happy with our Round 3 set (which was their dolch replica), retro set (which was their SoWaRe set) Geekhack is better then this


Quote from: Djuzuh;603075
The owner/GB organiser of the first red alert set didn't want anybody to make this GB again.

So if we do the same, we are going against his will. Which means korean boards won't trust/like us.
Exactly this, and we want to have further joint projects with everyone in different communities
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:51:03
Quote from: Djuzuh;603075
The owner/GB organiser of the first red alert set didn't want anybody to make this GB again.

So if we do the same, we are going against his will. Which means korean boards won't trust/like us.

Man, that's like trying to patent a generic color scheme. I mean, come on, it's red and white. Really? No one can ever make a red and white set ever again or it will piss of the Koreans? That, my friend, is f'd up.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:52:06
Quote from: jdcarpe;603081
Man, that's like trying to patent a generic color scheme. I mean, come on, it's red and white. Really? No one can ever make a red and white set ever again or it will piss of the Koreans? That, my friend, is f'd up.
Nono you mistaken the point, the point is we're trying to imitate the set far too much, red numeric, wyse/isotherm font
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:52:47
Quote from: tsangan
their dolch replica

So we made a copy of a set they copied? Hmm... I don't see any irony in that :P
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:53:22
Quote from: jdcarpe;603081
Man, that's like trying to patent a generic color scheme. I mean, come on, it's red and white. Really? No one can ever make a red and white set ever again or it will piss of the Koreans? That, my friend, is f'd up.

It's not that we can't, it's just showing some respect.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:53:55
Quote from: MagicMeatball;603084
So we made a copy of a set they copied? Hmm... I don't see any irony in that :P
Their Dolch replica looks nothing like dolch besides the colour, it used large centre font, which GH just copied key for key, it was just called Dolch replica for the colourway
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:54:23
Red modifiers and a new font they never used would settle this, and make the set more unique.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:54:58
Quote from: MagicMeatball;603088
Red modifiers and a new font they never used would settle this, and make the set more unique.

back to $40 x83 for the legend fees of the base set

$3320 is the total
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:55:24
I don't really think were trying to imitate it that much at all.
There's the double shots with red mods. Sure they had red numerical keys, but thats completely different. The mods we'd be doing is found in cherry/wyse/old sets, in which the mods are a darker color than the regular keys.
We'd just be using the wyse font..but its not like were trying to imitate that..its just what SP has that we dont have to spend $3000+ to get.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:55:38
Quote from: tsangan;603087
Their Dolch replica looks nothing like dolch besides the colour, it used large centre font, which GH just copied key for key, it was just called Dolch replica for the colourway

I would love to see an actual Dolch replica. Large centered fonts look pretty terrible, imo.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:56:08
Quote from: MagicMeatball;603088
Red modifiers and a new font they never used would settle this, and make the set more unique.

Yes. We could use the Cherry replica font. Or Fugue2. Anything that will distinguish our set from their Red Alert set.

I was just thinking WYSE, since SP doesn't charge extra.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:56:49
Quote from: jdcarpe;603095
Yes. We could use the Cherry replica font. Or Fugue2. Anything that will distinguish our set from their Red Alert set.

Cherry replica font has another project, and it's not this
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:56:51
Quote from: tsangan;603091
back to $40 x83 for the legend fees of the base set

$3320 is the total

I meant a legend SP already has, or one that has been paid for, like Cherry replica, or something like that.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:57:27
Quote from: MagicMeatball;603098
I meant a legend SP already has, or one that has been paid for, like Cherry replica, or something like that.
Refer to post above.

All of font's SP has is pretty ugly sadly, the only good one is Wyse haha
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:57:36
Quote from: jdcarpe;603081
Man, that's like trying to patent a generic color scheme. I mean, come on, it's red and white. Really? No one can ever make a red and white set ever again or it will piss of the Koreans? That, my friend, is f'd up.


It would be if it was just that. It really does seem strange to copy it while they’re doing it at the same time. With enough opportunity for us to get it. Not that I’d be pissed off, but I’d be embarrassed to partake in such a GB.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:58:35
To me the dstinguishing characteristics of the RA set are the red number row and the custom symbol-only legends on the mods.  I think if we stay away from those two things we'll be safely out of knock-off territory.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: WorldExclusive on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:58:37
Quote from: tsangan;603063
$40 x83 (no need to do alt, control, shift, win twice)

$3320 is your grand total for legends, that money is better well spent on the Cherry replica font which all the SVG is done and just need to move into the next step.

I would like the Cherry font. It's more bold also.

Cherry font, PBT subs, Grey and White Mods?

Yes please!!!! :dance:
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: 7bit_R4 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 14:59:43
Quote from: tsangan;603076
Unfortunately that is is not the case they were not happy with our Round 3 set (which was their dolch replica), retro set (which was their SoWaRe set) Geekhack is better then this



Exactly this, and we want to have further joint projects with everyone in different communities

ROUND3 is centered-all-CAPS, while their Dolch-scheme was off-center Camel Case!

Not mentioning that I offer a lot of add-on stuff Koreans never could have dreamed of!

RETRO differs from SoWaRe (different colors / different style of symbols) and also SoWaRe itself was a clone of the WYSE scheme and came out that way it is becuase SP messed it up!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:00:21
Quote from: WorldExclusive;603104
I would like the Cherry font. It's more bold also.

Once again Cherry font, not used for this

Quote from: 7bit_R4;603105
RETRO is differs from SoWaRe (different colors) and also SoWaRe itself was a clone of the WYSE scheme and came out that way it is becuase SP messed it up!
So we decide to follow suit because we like the mess up
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:01:12
Quote from: 7bit_R4;603105
RETRO is differs from SoWaRe (different colors) and also SoWaRe itself was a clone of the WYSE scheme and came out that way it is becuase SP messed it up!
So we decide to follow suit because we like the mess up
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:01:35
Well this puts us in a predicament as it seems its about a half way split with what people want.
Double-shot red mods vs dye-sub grey mods

How oh how do we choose?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:02:35
Quote from: bavman;603111
Well this puts us in a predicament as it seems its about a half way split with what people want.
Double-shot red mods vs dye-sub grey mods
dyesubs does not have to be grey mods

plus sides to dye subs is better quality keys with any font we want while DS that is not possible
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:03:20
Dye sub red mods? ;P The sides would have to stay white, but it still could look decent, I think. Could. I’m not sure. ^^
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:03:40
Quote from: tsangan;603113
dyesubs does not have to be grey mods

plus sides to dye subs is better quality keys with any font we want while DS that is not possible

There will be legend fees if we choose a font they haven't done before though, yes?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:04:07
Quote from: hashbaz;603116
There will be legend fees if we choose a font they haven't done before though, yes?

Not really. They don't need to create a new mold.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:04:07
Quote from: tsangan;603113
dyesubs does not have to be grey mods

plus sides to dye subs is better quality keys with any font we want while DS that is not possible

But dyesubs rule out white on red mods
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:05:39
Quote from: Zehkul;603115
Dye sub red mods? ;P The sides would have to stay white, but it still could look decent, I think. Could. I’m not sure. ^^
Quote from: MagicMeatball;603118
But dyesubs rule out white on red mods
Sadly can't dyesub white onto red, you can dyesub black onto red though

Quote from: hashbaz;603116
There will be legend fees if we choose a font they haven't done before though, yes?
Just the setup fee I listed earlier in this thread i think it was $75 for base kit and like $30 for the addon kits
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:06:36
Never mind tsangan just answer this

And like magicmeatball said, we can't have the red mods on pbt. If we could get it like that I would totally be in for pbt
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:07:44
Quote from: bavman;603123
I feel like SP would still charge us $40 a key to dye-sub a new font unless someone has asked Melissa about this.

And like magicmeatball said, we can't have the red mods on pbt. If we could get it like that I would totally be in for pbt
I did ask and posted the prices already...

I understand the red mods part on pbt though, that part I cannot argue as white on red cannot be done
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:07:56
Quote from: tsangan;603122
Sadly can't dyesub white onto red, you can dyesub black onto red though


You can’t dyesub white on red, but you can dyesub a whole keytop red and leave the legends white. :P

See Imsto’s 3D dyesub. You could try painting the sides red yourself, or live with them being white.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:10:03
Any input from Sherryton on what colors will be used for the KS/KBD set? What legends?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:11:16
Quote from: Zehkul;603126
You can’t dyesub white on red, but you can dyesub a whole keytop red and leave the legends white. :P

That would just look terrible.

Maybe I'll set up a thread here and we'll list the pros and cons of each and vote on it

Option 1: Double-shot abs
pros: Red mods, double-shot, cheaper
cons: stuck with wyse font, abs

Option 2: Dye-sub pbt
pros: pbt, can do another font for a small fee ($75)
cons: no red mods, slightly more expensive

Am i missing anything?

Edit: I meant set up a poll in the poll forum
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:11:53
Quote from: jdcarpe;603129
Any input from Sherryton on what colors will be used for the KS/KBD set? What legends?

Original graphite/CCnG font

(http://cfile8.uf.tistory.com/image/112877474F3B1949071FF0)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Djuzuh on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:13:00
I think it's more than slightly more expensive, as I expect this GB to hit 250 sets, And DS does a lot better when there are a big number of orders than PBT does.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:13:45
Found it

Dye-sub:
Standard 87 key layout:
25 sets $95.50 / set
50 sets $83.01 / set
75 sets $78.84 / set
100 sets $76.76 / set
150 sets $74.68 / set
200 sets $73.64 / set
250 sets $73.01 / set

Double-shot (from cream cheese...went up though):
25 sets $79/set
50 sets $59/set
75 sets $52/set
100 sets $49/set
150 sets $46/set
200 sets $43/set
250 sets $42/set


Honestly I think this gb would hit 150 minimum probably around 200.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:15:22
Quote from: bavman;603136
Tsangan would you happen to have the pricing on 87 set for double-shots and dye-sub on hand?
DS I don't have new pricing but prices went up and I know this for a fact so PLEASE do NOT base it on recent sets (ie. Cream Cheese N Green)

As for PBT
Quote from: tsangan;602164
Everything highlighted in bold I know we'll hit for sure, likely to be even more as GH has grown a lot in size lately

Prices is without shipping, handling and PP fee.

Pricing for the variations is below:
Standard 87 key layout:
25 sets          $95.50 / set
50 sets          $83.01 / set
75 sets          $78.84 / set
100 sets        $76.76 / set
150 sets        $74.68 / set
200 sets        $73.64 / set
250 sets        $73.01 / set
** SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $75
 
NumPad Addon Kit:
25 sets          $40.89 / set
50 sets          $35.36 / set
75 sets          $33.52 / set
100 sets        $32.60 / set
150 sets        $31.68 / set
200 sets        $31.22 / set
250 sets        $30.94 / set
** SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $40
 
11 Key 'Tsangan' Addonkit:
25 sets          $28.80 / set
50 sets          $23.25 / set
75 sets          $21.39 / set
100 sets        $20.47 / set
150 sets        $19.54 / set
200 sets        $19.08 / set
250 sets        $18.80 / set
**SUBLIMATION SETUP CHARGE OF $40
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:20:02
Quote from: bavman;603136

Honestly I think this gb would hit 150 minimum probably around 200.

Only reason red on black DS and CCnG got so much love was because OTD/KBDmania ordered please remember that.

red on black DS because it was new

CCnG because of the winkeyless option via tsangan kit which was NOT available in the original set

More then half of my orders was from Korea, if it wasn't for them my GB would hover around 100 at best. Red on black DS Taeyoung got 26 sets IIRC and there was others too, so if it wasn't for them it would over around 80~
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:20:07
But I don't think it would have gone up more than a couple dollars a set though?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:20:45
Quote from: tsangan;603133
Original graphite/CCnG font

Show Image
(http://cfile8.uf.tistory.com/image/112877474F3B1949071FF0)


I honestly don’t get why you would pay 3000$ for that. Doubleshot fonts need to be thick for maximum contrast. :-/
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:21:20
Quote from: tsangan;603141
Only reason red on black DS and CCnG got so much love was because OTD/KBDmania ordered please remember that.

red on black DS because it was new
CCnG because of the winkeyless option via tsangan kit which was NOT available in the original set

We could always invite them in on the gb
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:22:05
Quote from: bavman;603146
We could always invite them in on the gb

And if we could offer ISO as an option, we can get some DT love, too.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:22:52
Quote from: bavman;603142
But I don't think it would have gone up more than a couple dollars a set though?
It has, I saw first hand, it was nasty almost double in price for this one set

Quote from: bavman;603146
We could always invite them in on the gb
Why would they partake in something we're just doing the same thing of for most parts (font/colour) everything besides the modifiers, which does not justify buying a whole set for that

Quote from: Zehkul;603143
I honestly don’t get why you would pay 3000$ for that. Doubleshot fonts need to be thick for maximum contrast. :-/

Fonts were cheaper before the price hike
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:54:04
Quote from: tsangan;603141
Only reason red on black DS and CCnG got so much love was because OTD/KBDmania ordered please remember that.

red on black DS because it was new

CCnG because of the winkeyless option via tsangan kit which was NOT available in the original set

More then half of my orders was from Korea, if it wasn't for them my GB would hover around 100 at best. Red on black DS Taeyoung got 26 sets IIRC and there was others too, so if it wasn't for them it would over around 80~
Taeyoung bought 26 Tsangan kits, not full sets. Not sure if that's what you were saying or not.

I'm not sure why everyone from the other groups (OTD etc) would be so unhappy with us doing a 2nd run of their set. They get the same keys, without having to do the work of running the group buy. Several people on GH would love to see reruns of the same set so they can get a 2nd chance at keys they missed out on, regardless of where they had to go to get them.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:55:33
Quote from: Ragnorock;603177
Taeyoung bought 26 Tsangan kits, not full sets. Not sure if that's what you were saying or not.

I'm not sure why everyone from the other groups (OTD etc) would be so unhappy with us doing a 2nd run of their set. They get the same keys, without having to do the work of running the group buy. Several people on GH would love to see reruns of the same set so they can get a 2nd chance at keys they missed out on, regardless of where they had to go to get them.

Because the person who ran the 1st one doesn't want it reran and if we break his wishes than they'll get upset at us as a community.
I'm guessing he doesn't want this either because they've become rare...or he just has an ego :D
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Wraul on Tue, 29 May 2012, 15:55:48
Quote from: Djuzuh;603075
The owner/GB organiser of the first red alert set didn't want anybody to make this GB again.

So if we do the same, we are going against his will. Which means korean boards won't trust/like us.


This is a valid argument. We definitively want to have a good relationship with all the other keyboard communities. Although I think it's completely unreasonable of them to claim any kind of patent on color combinations or legends. And definitely not the standard SP colors and fonts.

I really want to believe that GH is capable of producing some unique and attractive sets. Red on off white and grey is neither. Red on pure white with or without red modifiers is at least really aesthetically pleasing and to some degre unique amongst keyboards in general.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: WorldExclusive on Tue, 29 May 2012, 16:06:47
Quote from: Wraul;603181
I really want to believe that GH is capable of producing some unique and attractive sets. Red on off white and grey is neither. Red on pure white with or without red modifiers is at least really aesthetically pleasing and to some degre unique amongst keyboards in general.

Also DS are cheaper for everyone.

Pure white and red with different legends shouldn't be a issue with the original Red Alert creator.
If we think it's a problem, this GB is dead before it got started or we should kill the DS set all together and just get the dye sub GB going.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 29 May 2012, 16:34:13
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?31871-quot-Red-Alert-quot-Group-Buy-Contents

Go vote, but read the OP first so you understand the options.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: WorldExclusive on Tue, 29 May 2012, 17:17:46
Voted
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 29 May 2012, 19:18:00
Oh, here's my reworking of the original post's mockup. Everything that is white on red will also be offered in red on grey.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]51792[/ATTACH]
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: WorldExclusive on Tue, 29 May 2012, 19:28:07
Will the Nav cluster remain the same also?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 29 May 2012, 19:32:19
Quote from: Ragnorock;603371
Oh, here's my reworking of the original post's mockup. Everything that is white on red will also be offered in red on grey.


Will there also be a complete red on white set or will the modifiers NEED to be a different color combo than the base set?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 29 May 2012, 19:40:25
Its up to you guys. Personally I want normal arrows. I'm probably going to tell Melissa that unless everyone else says they like the D-Pad arrows.

Also we're going to go with the original set's colors, RBV on WFK and RBV on GAL for the modifiers. For the red modifiers it'll be the inverse of the red on white, so WFK on RBV.

There will be a complete red on white set, including the modifiers. That is what the base set is.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 19:47:46
normal arrows
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 20:21:06
Yeah normal arrows look better imo. Idk why that template has weird ones
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 29 May 2012, 20:22:49
Yeah agreed. Doing normal arrows.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 20:24:06
Quote from: bavman;603443
Yeah normal arrows look better imo. Idk why that template has weird ones

because you like barcelona.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 20:28:37
So is it agreed to be ABS/Double-shot?

Also; normal arrows :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 21:06:47
Quote from: demik;603447
because you like barcelona.

My sports team is better than your sports team!
:argue::argue:
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 29 May 2012, 21:37:02
Here is my thought ... First off, we all have different tastes and preferences. I am a noob and don't understand some of the "tradition" or completely understand the Red Alert set, although I agree with not stepping on toes and making waves. It would be nice if all the groups got along. There certainly is power (and better prices) in numbers. All of that said, the attractive thing here to me was the red modifiers. Now with the voting in the other thread it appears that option, and look, may be gone.

Thanks,
John
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Tue, 29 May 2012, 21:52:45
Quote from: jcrouse;603523
Here is my thought ... First off, we all have different tastes and preferences. I am a noob and don't understand some of the "tradition" or completely understand the Red Alert set, although I agree with not stepping on toes and making waves. It would be nice if all the groups got along. There certainly is power (and better prices) in numbers. All of that said, the attractive thing here to me was the red modifiers. Now with the voting in the other thread it appears that option, and look, may be gone.

Thanks,
John

Voting for PBT only makes that option gone. ABS double-shots make it an option.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 29 May 2012, 21:58:58
I understand but the voting is not looking good for the DS option.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:01:06
doesnt matter, rag already said he's doing DS.

poll was a sham! :(
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:07:12
The poll was made before the situation was clear. Now that the situation has been determined, the poll became unnecessary. Sorry for any confusion.

I'm closing that thread, please continue the discussion here while I continue making my order thread.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: snowboarder3 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:07:55
:(
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:18:25
Maybe we'll run a pbt one after this demik :p just for you
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: snowboarder3 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:28:19
If we're doing DS, what does everybody think about a white on red GEEK HACK key? What about white on red G and H keys as an addon?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:33:06
Quote from: snowboarder3;603552
If we're doing DS, what does everybody think about a white on red GEEK HACK key? What about white on red G and H keys as an addon?

i was thinking of doing white on red soon.. but this would be cool too.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:45:23
How did we get from voting for the set to deciding on DS? Bummer... SP's PBT quality is so much better than their ABS's :(

Edit: just read through the polls thread... so what I got out of it was that Rag decided to do DS because the community wanted the red modifers?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 29 May 2012, 22:48:23
I like the third set but I'd love a bigger font size.



I recently went from a black engraved set with small font to a set with large black font on white caps. I really like the large font.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 29 May 2012, 23:23:23
I also like the bigger font size idea. Not just WYSE font, but WYSE legend size, as well. That may make it more expensive. Not sure how SP structures their pricing.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Tue, 29 May 2012, 23:51:04
Quote from: thegunner100;603560
How did we get from voting for the set to deciding on DS? Bummer... SP's PBT quality is so much better than their ABS's :(

Edit: just read through the polls thread... so what I got out of it was that Rag decided to do DS because the community wanted the red modifers?


By community you mean the 16 people vs the 27 people that voted for PBT :thumb:

More of a decision from Rag then a decision from the community


Quote from: jdcarpe;603579
I also like the bigger font size idea. Not just WYSE font, but WYSE legend size, as well. That may make it more expensive. Not sure how SP structures their pricing.

Any legend besides theirs will cost you $40 per legend, and none of them look good beside Wyse, kind of in a pickle
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 29 May 2012, 23:53:36
Quote from: tsangan;603592
Any legend besides theirs will cost you $40 per legend, and none of them look good beside Wyse, kind of in a pickle

2-shot legends are $45. :-/
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: demik on Tue, 29 May 2012, 23:57:45
Quote from: thegunner100;603560
How did we get from voting for the set to deciding on DS? Bummer... SP's PBT quality is so much better than their ABS's :(

Edit: just read through the polls thread... so what I got out of it was that Rag decided to do DS because the community wanted the red modifers?

rag decided to do DS because he got the go ahead to copy red alert.

we had something better. on better plastic.. but it wont happen now.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 29 May 2012, 23:58:47
*shrug* nothing stopping us from making it happen...
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 30 May 2012, 00:00:34
Quote from: tsangan;603592
By community you mean the 16 people vs the 27 people that voted for PBT :thumb:

More of a decision from Rag then a decision from the community


Yeah, that's what I was kinda getting at lol

Quote from: demik;603597
rag decided to do DS because he got the go ahead to copy red alert.

we had something better. on better plastic.. but it wont happen now.


Someday we will have it... but for now, imsto's dyesubs will have to do.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: MMB on Wed, 30 May 2012, 00:11:47
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Let's all agree that either way, it's a win for all of us. :)
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Wed, 30 May 2012, 00:25:19
Just cause rag won't run it doesn't mean it doesn't have to happen. If theres still a strong demand for pbt we could always run it in the future.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: dmbr on Wed, 30 May 2012, 00:40:48
Count me in!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: nntnam on Wed, 30 May 2012, 01:24:18
Quote from: bavman;603606
Just cause rag won't run it doesn't mean it doesn't have to happen. If theres still a strong demand for pbt we could always run it in the future.

Yeah, just do it man.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Wed, 30 May 2012, 01:33:37
I never said I wouldn't do it, I'm just not going to do it at the same time as the doubleshot one. That'd just split the orders and make it more expensive for everyone.

Oh and by the way, order thread is up:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?31887-Red-Alert-Round-2-Order-Thread-Taking-Orders
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: bavman on Wed, 30 May 2012, 01:35:42
I will gladly run it after Rag's gb is done if the interest still remains. It would be a douche move to run my own right now along side with his because most people wouldn't have the money to pay for 2 full sets and it would hurt both group buys
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: dsjbirch on Sat, 02 June 2012, 18:20:16
Just spotted this thread. I'm gonna wait on the possibility of wa pbt over abs. I only need one set and since I got those meme keys I'm loving WFJ pbt!
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Rafen on Sat, 02 June 2012, 19:10:28
I would love to have a set of pbt's that are like the red alert including the red modifiers. If you are doing that count me in.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Sat, 02 June 2012, 20:06:09
For the 30th time, you can't dye sub white onto a red PBT key. That won't ever happen...
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 02 June 2012, 20:21:14
Quote from: bavman;603635
I will gladly run it after Rag's gb is done if the interest still remains. It would be a douche move to run my own right now along side with his because most people wouldn't have the money to pay for 2 full sets and it would hurt both group buys

No worries........I'll wait till you have yours up and running.  Couldn't care less about the ABS and PBT furore, just as long as QUALITY keysets are made and sold, that is the important thing.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Sun, 03 June 2012, 17:07:04
Also I had an idea this morning for a different than RA red on white set that, while in the early stages of planning, should be enough to make everyone who wasn't satisfied with doubleshot Red Alert, happy as hell when it shows up later this year. It will be PBT dyesubs, which means no white on red mods, and probably no red on grey mods either (though I might toss them in for fun since you guys love them so much) but it will have something else I can't say yet that should have everyone wiggling with excitement for.

/mysterious post

Dave out
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Zehkul on Sun, 03 June 2012, 17:40:31
Custom fonts yay.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: tsangan on Sun, 03 June 2012, 17:45:42
Quote from: Rafen;606395
I would love to have a set of pbt's that are like the red alert including the red modifiers. If you are doing that count me in.

Quote from: Ragnorock;606409
For the 30th time, you can't dye sub white onto a red PBT key. That won't ever happen...
We're still on that? :rofl:

Legend colour needs to be darker/more vibrant then keycap colour in order for it to show up
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: dsjbirch on Sun, 03 June 2012, 17:50:44
Quote from: Ragnorock;606853
Also I had an idea this morning for a different than RA red on white set that, while in the early stages of planning, should be enough to make everyone who wasn't satisfied with doubleshot Red Alert, happy as hell when it shows up later this year. It will be PBT dyesubs, which means no white on red mods, and probably no red on grey mods either (though I might toss them in for fun since you guys love them so much) but it will have something else I can't say yet that should have everyone wiggling with excitement for.

/mysterious post

Dave out


Will it be red on PBT WFJ or tie-dye?

'Cause if it's tie dye, I'm totally out.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Sun, 03 June 2012, 18:39:21
Eew, tie tye, yuck.

No. It won't be on Tie dye, it'll probably be on WFJ to match my other sets.
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: dsjbirch on Sun, 03 June 2012, 20:29:27
+1 for wfj!

How close a match is the abs white in the red alert buy to pbt wfj?
Title: [IC] Red on white sp double-shots?
Post by: Ragnorock on Sun, 03 June 2012, 20:42:33
It should be really close. I asked Melissa about it and I think that is what they use for the ABS spacebar that goes with the WFJ keysets. My goal is the closest matct to WFJ as possible in ABS.