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Site Announcements and Feedback => Announcements/Feedback/Suggestions => Topic started by: Harlequin on Fri, 03 August 2012, 09:51:56
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I cannot post threads on classifieds and pictures archive.
Can anyone help me?
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You'll need to have at least 50 posts or more (link (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33429.msg629024#msg629024)).
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Also, you can't post in the pics archive since it's an archive (read only). You can either start a new thread in GH media (http://geekhack.org/index.php?board=113.0) or post a request in feedback/suggestions (here!) to get a particular thread out of the archive if there's a good reason.
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You'll need to have at least 50 posts or more (link (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33429.msg629024#msg629024)).
That's excessive. Why the change?
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You'll need to have at least 50 posts or more (link (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33429.msg629024#msg629024)).
Thanx a lot reaper :)
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We're still reviewing the requirements but the change is in order to prevent scammers and spammers.
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You'll need to have at least 50 posts or more (link (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33429.msg629024#msg629024)).
Thanx a lot reaper :)
You're welcome. ;D
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Hmm.. that's weird since I don't see any restriction on your profile. You should just be able to reply/start new topic in any forum. What error message are you getting? Please post them here or in that "Bug reports" sticky on top.
Perhaps some sort of a bug on the new forum?
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I'm gonna bring this thread back to the top. I'm unable to post in the classifieds after the site is back online. I have the required 50 posts, and have posted to the classifieds before.. Any help?
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I'm gonna bring this thread back to the top. I'm unable to post in the classifieds after the site is back online. I have the required 50 posts, and have posted to the classifieds before.. Any help?
It was changed again August 13th it seems.
currently 50 100 posts, but subject to change without notice
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someone seems to have fiddled around with this and made it 100. that may turn out to be a bit high in the long run, but i'm going to leave it for now. what's nice is that it's high enough that it discourages people from joining and then spamming just to post in classifieds. what's not so nice is that genuinely engaged posters can't advertise for a bit longer than one might prefer...
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someone seems to have fiddled around with this and made it 100. that may turn out to be a bit high in the long run, but i'm going to leave it for now. what's nice is that it's high enough that it discourages people from joining and then spamming just to post in classifieds. what's not so nice is that genuinely engaged posters can't advertise for a bit longer than one might prefer...
I'm in the latter. This seriously makes me consider listing boards on eBay. This is a pretty specific board and even when I want to be active, there are only so many threads where I even want to post on.
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someone seems to have fiddled around with this and made it 100. that may turn out to be a bit high in the long run, but i'm going to leave it for now. what's nice is that it's high enough that it discourages people from joining and then spamming just to post in classifieds. what's not so nice is that genuinely engaged posters can't advertise for a bit longer than one might prefer...
That's just crazy. Is there an actual problem you guys have experienced that you are actually addressing or is this just something that sounds good to people with a lot of posts?
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someone seems to have fiddled around with this and made it 100. that may turn out to be a bit high in the long run, but i'm going to leave it for now. what's nice is that it's high enough that it discourages people from joining and then spamming just to post in classifieds. what's not so nice is that genuinely engaged posters can't advertise for a bit longer than one might prefer...
Thats a cool story. Guess I'll be selling my wares on OCN/eBay until I post another 37 times. It certainly does discourage people from spamming..that's for sure!
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it's been fiddled with again down to 60
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it's been fiddled with again down to 60
What is this sorcery? Still can't make a thread.
Sad face, I'm just going to go sit in the corner and hug my new RAII keycaps.
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what?! taking a look..
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can't repro. are you sure you're trying to start a new topic in classifieds and not gbs?
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The button is there now. I swear it wasn't there as soon as I saw your post. Maybe there is a delay between changes made and when they're implemented?
Thank you.
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more likely you needed to post once before your user status changed :) no worries
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ty mkawa i heart u
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someone seems to have fiddled around with this and made it 100. that may turn out to be a bit high in the long run, but i'm going to leave it for now. what's nice is that it's high enough that it discourages people from joining and then spamming just to post in classifieds. what's not so nice is that genuinely engaged posters can't advertise for a bit longer than one might prefer...
Double-edged sword.
What made the classified section great was not only how many sellers there were, but the ability to post up Want to Buy ads. That being said, I have a friend who is in the market to purchase a Filco or Leopold Tenkeyless with brown switches next week and I'd directed him to this forum, but that's not happening anymore because he doesn't have the time to write 60 posts just to make a purchase. On top of that, I can't even find the keyboard for him because the reduced number of sellers, and less sellers means higher prices anyway. That's one less potential buyer and user for geekhack.
I, on the other hand, am determined to post in the classifieds (I've already purchased there once using the WTB feature) and will therefore continue posting shallow one-two sentence posts until I reach the required amount, then I will resume lurking. If there are others like me, you might end up with a little less spam in exchange for a lot more fluff. Sorry if that offends anyone, but I'm just being honest.
Imho buyer and seller feedback is what's important in the end, not post count. Everyone should know they're taking a risk by buying or selling to someone with neither.
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someone seems to have fiddled around with this and made it 100. that may turn out to be a bit high in the long run, but i'm going to leave it for now. what's nice is that it's high enough that it discourages people from joining and then spamming just to post in classifieds. what's not so nice is that genuinely engaged posters can't advertise for a bit longer than one might prefer...
That's probably also a good recipe to scare away lots of potential users or end up with a lot of users with 2-3 posts (one introducing themselves, the second asking why they can't reply to or post to the classifieds, the third them saying how lame it is and leaving never to return). I don't understand how this would help solve any spammer/spam bot issues at all (aside from them showing up in a different forum than the classifieds). Buyer and seller feedback -- which we lost in the change over to SMF -- was the critical part for the "scammers" concern and I don't see how making a user post 60 times before using the classifieds is going to do anything but cause issues.
This is a bad approach IMHO as it just keeps legit new users from being able to do what they came here to do -- I imagine a lot of new users come here specifically for the classifieds. Forcing people to make 100 posts before they can use the classifieds is terrible. I sold quite a bit of gear on here and I would have to say that 80% (or more) or what I sold was to users with < 60 posts, some to users with < 10 posts (who were excellent buyers and I had zero trouble with). Also the second reason I ended up at this forum (besides the ergonomic keyboard discussions) was to buy and sell items in the classifieds. I think when I did my first purchase I might have had about 5 posts, if that. Had this arbitrary post restriction limit been in place when I signed up I likely wouldn't have bothered to stick around.
I'm sorry to sound so negative once again but this is another change that the logic defies me on. I don't see anything at all helpful in taking this approach -- the logic completely fails me. Minimum posts before a user can post a link or an image? Sure ... if that helps stem spammers, but minimum posts before they can actually use an individual forum (and probably one of _the_ most useful forums on this board)? Makes no sense to me at all, sorry. What exactly does this 60 post limit do to help anything?
If you want to stem the spam install things like the Stop Forum Spam package or any number of others that are helpful in stopping at least the majority of the spammers ... but don't cripple the forum and hurt everyone in the process please.
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Well that's my advert for a nearly new QPAD MK-80 with MX-blues that no-one here is going to know about unless they see it on eBay.
Up to 20 posts, I expected 10 would be enough. I not sure I'll reach 100 posts on here at all. To do that I'd have to spam and toll thread after thread with one word answers which is complete crap to each thread! I won't bother.
Making registration more bot proof will stop nearly all spammers won't it?
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agreed Okita
agreed Gerk
agreed Ian S
All kidding and spamming aside ... seems like time would be a better indicator of "realness" than number of posts. I can create 60 new threads in less than an hour if I were so inclined. Making people wait a couple months seems a better idea than counting "+1"s they add on other people's posts. Maybe there is no way to measure that using the forum software? This is just my two cents - I have been in forums for years (this one just a year though) and have not run into this issue before. I feel better having typed this - thanks for reading.
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the idea is not for you to prove you can stick around
the idea is not for you to post a bunch of +1 or 'agreed username' posts
the idea is that you become involved with community discussion and offer your opinions and insights. sure they might get shot down by more experienced members or people who are more active, but that's an important part of learning and contributing to a community.
the classifieds come after the discussion.
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Thanks for the reply.
I understand what you are saying - and I am not suggesting that someone should post 60 garbage posts and set up shop - I was demonstrating that total posts alone do not measure real participation. New members can spend a lot of time lurking and reading the posts of experienced members and their reviews without posting. My opinion is they should ... there is a learning curve before you need to or can post good questions and spark good discussions.
Also, the classifieds area is the only place many of us can see and afford the pieces we read about. Experience involves using the things we read about too. I disagree that the classifieds forum is for after the discussion I think it is the middle of the discussion. You do research, then decide/get what you want, then find out if you chose wisely, you refine your requirements and get something different next time. In the meantime you can share your experience with others. Using the gear is part of the experience.
I think there is an unspoken assumption that people post to the classifieds to sell something ... the past few days I am seeing that many of the posts are WTB (or WTT). The inability to post a WTB ad prevents members from putting it out there that they are looking for something to try. They can only buy what is being offered at that moment.
From a system/software perspective, could the ability to post be triggered by time of membership?
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good points!
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You can purchase in the classifieds at any point. It's selling that's blocked by not being able to create a new thread.
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New members can spend a lot of time lurking and reading the posts of experienced members and their reviews without posting. My opinion is they should ... there is a learning curve before you need to or can post good questions and spark good discussions.
+1 :) This is what I've done. I'm on my third board in about 6 months. I might have another couple or so in the next. But nil of them will be sold here to GH members. Which is the communities loss.
IMO 100 or 60 posts seems on the face if it a stupid rule. On my car site it's nil posts. To post in classifieds you have to join, it costs £25 for the first year and £10 thereafter. Many people join specifically to sell their car. It helps the club and the members by there being a special place for a niche car, so people also join especially to look for and buy such a car. A few boards are open, like GH, requiring only registration and we get a few spams a week at times in those that I or another couple of people delete as they occur. Often someone reports the post so we're on it straight away, it takes minute or so to deal with inc banning the spammer. It is a chore but not a big one if shared. I ran a test last month by opening a classifieds board to non registered non members to see what happened. It was spammed nearly every day by what looked like mainly Chinese people. I made it require registration only, no fee, and there's been no spamming since.
GH is free so spamming might be more but it really so bad that that the classifieds has to be effectively shut down?
Is it instead a policy decision that a few people at GH don't want people using the classifieds unless they been around for years?
That does not create a community it creates a clique of old pals who know and chat about stuff. People are most active and doing their buying and selling at the beginning of their discovery of mechanical keyboards, not after years when they know it all, have it all and have nothing to say, buy or sell.
I hope I don't get banned from GH before my stuff from the group buy arrives!
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I think there is an unspoken assumption that people post to the classifieds to sell something ... the past few days I am seeing that many of the posts are WTB (or WTT).
At the moment, I fall into that category. I would like to post a 'Want to buy' entry in classified, but don't have the magic number of posts du jour.
It's frustrating, and isn't helpful to anyone who might like to sell something to me...
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I agree. I'm looking for some of the cool key sets here.
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From a system/software perspective, could the ability to post be triggered by time of membership?
I'd support this idea, too. I've been lurking and reading for something approaching three years, but because I just recently started actually trying to contribute shouldn't really mean I'm not allowed to take advantage of the community classifieds.
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I sold two keyboards on the classifieds last year with positive feedback for both and now I can't post to the classifieds because of my post count? I hereby petition to be grandfathered in.