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Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: squarebox on Mon, 10 January 2011, 20:03:28
Maybe we should call it "Gamer-Enter" as Ducky proclaimed it is preferred by gamers?
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: msiegel on Mon, 10 January 2011, 20:53:39
with minor tweaking we get:

ANSI
ISO
Backward L
BIGASS

there, perfect! :)
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: quadibloc on Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:11:50
Well, the shape for the really large enter keys comes from the keyboard for the IBM Personal Computer AT, so they could be called AT enter keys.

Oh, and that's for the really big style, not the backwards-L style.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: Pylon on Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:40:28
That looks more like the smaller NeXT enter.
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Post by: nanu on Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:47:37
The true beauty of the backwards L shape is to spiritually affirm that symbolic arrow legend. What we all want at the end of the day, after straying so far away is to Return Home. A new day, a New line to which we can continue our journey.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: JinDesu on Mon, 10 January 2011, 21:48:35
I'm asian (see name, it's proof), and we usually call those big ass enter keys "Big Ass Enter Keys".
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Post by: Nadger on Mon, 10 January 2011, 22:59:55
the BIGass one is close to the same shape as the state of Utah rotated counter clockwise =p

Mormon Enter? =x
UT
Handicapped Enter
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: Mr. Perfect on Mon, 10 January 2011, 23:51:03
Quote from: JinDesu;276434
I'm asian (see name, it's proof), and we usually call those big ass enter keys "Big Ass Enter Keys".


Have you got some sort of nickname for it though? If it was American, we'd probably call it the booty key. Possibly the badonkadonk key, depending on how you roll.

Yes, I know, that was pretty bad.:banplease:
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: quadibloc on Tue, 11 January 2011, 00:04:09
I have a WANG CRT terminal that has a Selectric II style Enter. But that kind of Enter key, although it has indeed been around a long time, on a lot of ASCII terminals, isn't even the "inverted-L" type, because it's significantly smaller. The inverted-L is as wide on top as one normal key; the AT-style one is one and a half keys wide on top; and the Selectric II style is only 3/4 of a key wide on top.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: taswyn on Tue, 11 January 2011, 00:43:29
I like to call them abominations, but maybe that's just me >.>;;  What a terrible use of space, and I imagine a mess to stabilize well too =X

"AT style" seems like it might be more widely acceptable and understood, though =P

Quote
Although technically they've been around longer.

And now we understand why you've been trying to call the abominable ones ISO, you're clearly suffering from a psychological condition that leaves you blind to keyfattiness (and possibly some vertical orientation mirroring issues), if you think that's the same as those terrible wide ones xD

At the same time, I do wonder what the point to that selectric II style thin backwards 'L' enter key is. Just for aesthetic reasons to fill in the end of that row without using an odd width on the EXP key? The vertical bar portion doesn't really look as if it was even really intended to be hit? With it at the edge it could certainly be done, but it doesn't seem like it would be practical to use it that way over hitting the more normal sized horizontal portion. Intriguing!
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: HaaTa on Tue, 11 January 2011, 00:49:10
Then what's this one?

(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6WOoTO_7VuQ/TDFuYG_34YI/AAAAAAAABzM/9AjLSp9ZEQs/s800/2010-05-27%2019.30.22.jpg)
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Post by: msiegel on Tue, 11 January 2011, 00:51:05
ridiculASS
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Post by: squarebox on Tue, 11 January 2011, 00:55:06
Quote from: HaaTa;276500
Then what's this one?

Show Image
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6WOoTO_7VuQ/TDFuYG_34YI/AAAAAAAABzM/9AjLSp9ZEQs/s800/2010-05-27%2019.30.22.jpg)


Humongofragilisticexpialidocious Enter
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: quadibloc on Tue, 11 January 2011, 00:59:09
Quote from: HaaTa;276500
Then what's this one?
Ah. That doesn't belong to the inverted-L family. That belongs to the ISO family.

It bears the same relation to the AT-style inverted L as the Return key on a classic Selectric does to the Selectric II-style inverted L. Obviously, I need to find my Signature Plastics catalogue...
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Post by: biziclop on Tue, 11 January 2011, 01:52:50
Bigfoot?
(http://i.imgur.com/Z8f2q.jpg)
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: db_Iodine on Tue, 11 January 2011, 01:55:25
Quote from: HaaTa;276500
Then what's this one?

Show Image
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6WOoTO_7VuQ/TDFuYG_34YI/AAAAAAAABzM/9AjLSp9ZEQs/s800/2010-05-27%2019.30.22.jpg)


That's FAT ass ISO.
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Post by: Shawn Stanford on Tue, 11 January 2011, 05:33:10
Cue Sir Mix-A-Lot...
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: sixty on Tue, 11 January 2011, 05:34:51
I had almost guessed the official Asian name also would be bigass enter key, since i recognized the DAI Kanji (meaning Big, Huge) on the Ducky box for that one.

I guess it stays bigass enter key then.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 11 January 2011, 05:36:16
Quote from: ripster;276379
It's pretty clear the ANSI/ISO designations.  Last time I called a Ducky bigass Enter key ISO the Europeans lynched me.

But anybody know the official name?  What is it called in China?

If we can't come up with something I'll use these designations.
Show Image
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5167/5344904700_683d9e7af8_z.jpg)



What about:

m-shape, J-shape, L-shape and L-shape, or if bold not available, LL-shape?
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: godly_music on Tue, 11 January 2011, 05:40:42
How about ANSI, ISO, inverted L, wide inverted L and wide ISO? (never seen that one, ugly bastard)

I likes to keep it simple.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: bugfix on Tue, 11 January 2011, 05:41:50
Quote from: godly_music;276602
How about ANSI, ISO, inverted L, wide inverted L and wide ISO? (never seen that one, ugly bastard)

I likes to keep it simple.


I second this.
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Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 11 January 2011, 05:59:09
Keytronic calls it an "Inverted L-shaped Enter Key".
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 11 January 2011, 07:37:12
J-shaped?
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Post by: theferenc on Tue, 11 January 2011, 07:43:13
Yeah, to me the ISO looks like a rotated L, and these big ass keys look J shaped. I've never understood why they are used opposite to that.

Edit: the ISO keys also look like that tetramino, but I don't recall its name. 2 wide on top, 3 tall, 1 wide on bottom 2 segments.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 11 January 2011, 07:46:43
Quote from: theferenc;276646
Yeah, to me the ISO looks like a rotated L, and these big ass keys look J shaped. I've never understood why they are used opposite to that.

Edit: the ISO keys also look like that tetramino, but I don't recall its name. 2 wide on top, 3 tall, 1 wide on bottom 2 segments.


It is exactly the other way round for me.

What about "P lying on his spine, viewed from the opposite direction" for the Big-Ass one?

What about  "¶ lying on his spine"?

Or just ANSI+|\-waste-key?

Or for people from Sun culture:
ANSI+BACKSPACE-waste-key!
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 11 January 2011, 08:09:44
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Jshape.png)
J just fits. You don't have to do anything to it, flip it, spin it, whatever, it just fits.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: db_Iodine on Tue, 11 January 2011, 08:15:04
Quote from: Twitchy;276663
J just fits. You don't have to do anything to it, flip it, spin it, whatever, it just fits.


J-enter sounds boring. Let's just stick with bigass and BIGass.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: 7bit on Tue, 11 January 2011, 08:18:58
Quote from: Twitchy;276663
Show Image
(http://SHOWING WRONG STUFF]
J just fits. You don't have to do anything to it, flip it, spin it, whatever, it just fits.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=3][B]Once for all times:[/B][/SIZE]

[IMG]http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14717&stc=1&d=1294755450)
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: Soarer on Tue, 11 January 2011, 08:55:49
bigass for the reverse L shaped one doesn't really suit it, it's actually quite skinny.
So maybe it's the skinny bigass?!!
It's the only one that actually matches a letter well, tbh.

'ANSI' and 'ISO' are unambiguous, so a letter is just more confusing.

The wide ISO is so uncommon it doesn't need a name (wide ISO will do).
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: CeeSA on Tue, 11 January 2011, 09:06:55
let's call it "buzzer"
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: Twitchy on Tue, 11 January 2011, 09:09:47
Troll shaped

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn27/CoB_Twitchy/GH/Troll.jpg)
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Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 11 January 2011, 09:12:36
I'd almost call it a Selectric-style enter, given that the enter that showed up on the Displaywriter, and later the AT keyboard is the same as the original Selectric enter, but with a chunk taken out to fit an extra key on the row above the home row.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: woody on Tue, 11 January 2011, 09:43:39
I had the BIGass for many years. The beauty of it, is that the key layout remains pretty much ANSI (104) - you either have the backslash/pipe on the right of the shortened RShift, or on the left or the shortened BackSpace.

With that said, I think it's better to be named "big/high ANSI", "1.5 ANSI" or something.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: quadibloc on Tue, 11 January 2011, 12:33:36
Having managed to navigate my way around the Signature Plastics web site, I can now tell you what those keys are officially called.

The ANSI Enter is: 1 x 2 - row 3.

The ISO Enter is: 1.5 x 2 x 1.25 x 1 - row 2/3

The small backwards J Enter is: 1 x 2 x 1.75 x 1 - row 2/3

The AT-style Enter is: 1.5 x 2 x 2.25 x 1 - row 2/3

And that large SONY Enter is: 2.5 x 2 x 2.25 x 1 - row 2/3
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: duq on Tue, 11 January 2011, 12:38:53
+1 vote for naming the "big ass" key "bigfoot"
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: HaaTa on Tue, 11 January 2011, 12:48:34
And to screw with you guys even more:
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/_6WOoTO_7VuQ/SyMcTlKA-SI/AAAAAAAAAJc/zqEMiJgb1ZA/s800/%2Fsdcard%2Fdcim%2Fcamera%2F2009-12-12%2013.19.14.jpg)
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: HaaTa on Tue, 11 January 2011, 12:50:48
This one is easy, uTron enter:
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6WOoTO_7VuQ/TDGDgOFjm-I/AAAAAAAABzM/jNEooX5dX64/s800/2010-06-14%2018.06.30.jpg)
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Post by: guilleguillaume on Tue, 11 January 2011, 12:57:03
The Steelseries 7G have this BIGass enter and seriously it's kind of funnny type with it.
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Post by: keyb_gr on Tue, 11 January 2011, 13:13:43
Quote from: quadibloc;276837
Having managed to navigate my way around the Signature Plastics web site, I can now tell you what those keys are officially called.

The ANSI Enter is: 1 x 2 - row 3.

The ISO Enter is: 1.5 x 2 x 1.25 x 1 - row 2/3

The small backwards J Enter is: 1 x 2 x 1.75 x 1 - row 2/3

The AT-style Enter is: 1.5 x 2 x 2.25 x 1 - row 2/3

And that large SONY Enter is: 2.5 x 2 x 2.25 x 1 - row 2/3

JFTR, these dimensions seem to be side lengths starting at the top and going clockwise, in units of letter key size. Remaining sides are implied.
Title: We Need A Better Name For BigAss Asian Enter Keys
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 11 January 2011, 13:13:51
this is how i view them anyways, by region and usually it basically works.
(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5497/5344904700683d9e7af8z.jpg) (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/5344904700683d9e7af8z.jpg/)
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Post by: Pylon on Tue, 11 January 2011, 14:14:51
The thing with Bigfoot is that it usually refers to Alps switches. But then, most Alps had wide reverse-L enters.
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Post by: Pylon on Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:23:00
It also looks sorta like a hat. Just sayin'
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Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:24:18
Big asshat?

Don't talk about ripster like that.
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Post by: quadibloc on Tue, 11 January 2011, 15:34:11
Quote from: keyb_gr;276873
JFTR, these dimensions seem to be side lengths starting at the top and going clockwise, in units of letter key size. Remaining sides are implied.
Yes, that is correct.

I'm not sure how they adapt the system for keys like the Maltron Enter, where the broken side is on the other side of the key. One way would be to start at the bottom for keys that have the stair-step on the right.
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Tue, 11 January 2011, 16:09:32
ANSI, ISO, bigass, fatass.

Bigass also looks like ANSI with morning wood.
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Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Tue, 11 January 2011, 18:14:51
I vote Bigfoot.
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Post by: Pylon on Tue, 11 January 2011, 20:15:35
Then we need to correct the Alps wiki to avoid confusion.
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Post by: Airscrew on Tue, 11 January 2011, 20:36:53
I wish people would make the distinction between a Return key and an Enter key.

Return is the key on the main keyboard, which takes its heritage from typewriters.
Enter is the key on the numeric keypad, which takes its heritage from adding machines.
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Post by: msiegel on Tue, 11 January 2011, 20:40:16
apple aluminum still makes a distinction
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Post by: msiegel on Tue, 11 January 2011, 20:45:11
i'm not sayin' it's right; i'm just sayin'.
:)
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Post by: imsto on Tue, 11 January 2011, 21:18:57
Quote from: ripster;277133
Np.   I think in terms of AutoHotkey.   Enter and NumpadEnter.

What does KBC call the bigass Enter key?


We call it 'big enter' and the Europen one we call it '7 enter'
:tea:
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Post by: Airscrew on Tue, 11 January 2011, 22:50:38
I just checked...

ISO/IEC 9995-2 (alphanumeric section) says the key on the right-hand end of of third row provides the return function. There is a recommendation that the key is also enlarged to the row above.

ISO/IEC 9995-4 (numeric section) says the key in the bottom right of the numeric keypad is the addition or enter key, although the symbol may be language dependent.

But what do those guys know?

My insider source tells me the current working draft for the 2011 amendment states "if the key for the function 'Return' is provided in an enlarged form so that it is allocated in both row C and row D, it should be denoted 'BigAss Enter' when the greater proportion is in row C or 'Freedom Enter' when the greater proportion is in row D".
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Post by: imsto on Tue, 11 January 2011, 23:49:08
why it's not catleg
(http://pic.kbc-china.com/image/jm/111.gif)
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Post by: imsto on Wed, 12 January 2011, 01:06:21
(http://i01.c.aliimg.com/img/ibank/2010/304/865/129568403_1765368224.jpg)

my parents've got a real ugly small Pekingese.  The nose is half balck and half white.
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Post by: Soarer on Wed, 12 January 2011, 10:05:59
Quote from: imsto;277152
We call it 'big enter'


The reverse 'L' (bigass) or the really big one (BIGass)?

(ouch... I mistyped a 'b' as an 'n'...)
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Post by: Pylon on Wed, 12 January 2011, 10:58:23
The Boot?
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Post by: keyboardlover on Wed, 12 January 2011, 12:00:10
No, that's Italy :D
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Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 12 January 2011, 12:38:50
Quote from: HaaTa;276853
This one is easy, uTron enter:
Show Image
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6WOoTO_7VuQ/TDGDgOFjm-I/AAAAAAAABzM/jNEooX5dX64/s800/2010-06-14%2018.06.30.jpg)


(http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev/tmp/ibm029c_5.jpg)
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Post by: imsto on Wed, 12 January 2011, 19:14:37
Quote from: kalrykh;277319
All of those are ugly. It's not just the one your parents have.


yes,exactly.
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Post by: laden3 on Wed, 12 January 2011, 19:19:08
Quote from: ripster;277240
My dog is the fuzzy one in the middle researching the origin of "dogleg".  However the husky's rear leg in the forefront is the classic example.
Show Image
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4745972740_8273f4e86c_z.jpg)


that's one slim pug
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Post by: imsto on Wed, 12 January 2011, 23:46:54
I do like this
(http://a0.att.hudong.com/25/45/01300000167306121462455001955_s.jpg)
the most clever small dog
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Post by: imsto on Thu, 13 January 2011, 00:30:20
................
let's talk about the ass enter.
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Post by: woody on Thu, 13 January 2011, 03:37:23
Quote from: imsto;277701
I do like this
Show Image
(http://a0.att.hudong.com/25/45/01300000167306121462455001955_s.jpg)

the most clever small dog

What is the breed called?
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Post by: imsto on Thu, 13 January 2011, 11:16:44
We call it teddy bear dog.
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Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 23 January 2011, 12:28:41
Further ruminations on this, the first thing I could find that used this style of Return was the Selectric II -

(http://www.gallagher.com/photos/2008/ibm_selectric_II_a.jpg)

If you compare it with the original Selectric layout, you can see that it came from them taking a bite out of the Selectric's return key to fit in an extra key along the row above the home row.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14964&d=1295715678)

Some of IBM's competitors used it, such as DEC on their VT100 terminal and some DECwriter teletypes

(http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/vt100-keyboard.jpg)

Some versions of the Displaywriter used it.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15052&d=1295804561)

It seems when they came to make the AT layout, they took the above Displaywriter layout and mashed on bits of the XT layout to make it more suitable for PC usage.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14995&d=1295740753)
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Post by: Henry on Sun, 23 January 2011, 15:41:44
Quote from: ripster;276994
Somehow I think the Taiwanese has less fat asses than most countries.
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14748&stc=1&d=1294784546)


Other question:  Isn't this NOT the most common Enter key found on Mainland China?

This girl looks Korean to me.

I asked my girlfriend, she says that the BigAss Enter key is indeed the most common one for desktop keyboards in Mainland. Laptops usually have a proper ANSI Enter key though.
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Sun, 23 January 2011, 19:39:13
She is Korean. (http://www.google.com/images?q=jihye+yuk)
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Post by: keyboardlover on Sun, 23 January 2011, 21:47:20
Quote from: RoboKrikit;283608
She is Korean. (http://www.google.com/images?q=jihye+yuk)


(http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f170/133143d1252671957-evora-racecar-house-do-want_thumbnail.jpg)
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Post by: RoboKrikit on Sun, 23 January 2011, 22:49:07
Ugh, lucky girl.  I can only ever score dudes like this:

(http://www.shreet.com/userfiles/2010/09/36/09/images/kayo-satoh-kayo-police-019.jpg)
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Post by: sixty on Tue, 08 February 2011, 00:27:47
(http://www.otd.kr/data/file/album/1938415938_b2165c2e_IMG_0370.JPG)

Enter like a boss.
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Post by: HaiiYaa on Wed, 09 February 2011, 01:20:39
How can you type with that small enter key? I had that on my lycosa for 1year but I never got used to it
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Post by: quadibloc on Wed, 09 February 2011, 11:24:41
Quote from: sixty;291638
Enter like a boss.
The Enter key is all right, and so is the backspace. But the left-hand shift key is too small and too far away. And, of course, since it's a keyboard for typing in Japanese, the space bar is too small as well.