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Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: wanabe on Wed, 30 March 2011, 17:19:10
tricky tricky.  you got me, darn alphabet screwed me up
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: HaaTa on Wed, 30 March 2011, 17:20:36
Always on the right, even on Colemak and Dvorak.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 30 March 2011, 17:21:24
Right ;D Non-otaku board helps ;D
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: SuperSerb on Wed, 30 March 2011, 17:24:10
It's right, I just imagined typing my name.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: sam113101 on Wed, 30 March 2011, 17:27:25
God, it's on the right of n even with bépo.
(http://blog.romainriviere.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Carte-bepo-complete.png)
M looks like an evolution of n, I never understood why it was placed BEFORE n.
Also, why is this ----> W called a double-u instead of double-v*?

In french it's called a double-v.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Geten123 on Wed, 30 March 2011, 17:27:58
The right, for god's sake. I've been knowing this ever since I learnt how to touch type and remember the placement of every key (which was about 8 years ago).
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: BucklingSpring on Wed, 30 March 2011, 17:41:30
LoL

I couldn't tell "in the air" without looking.
Is it cheating if I used my fingers to make the call (still without looking)?

The fingers knew.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Ekaros on Wed, 30 March 2011, 18:03:13
So hmm,
m M M yep, M ;D

And N, N before it.

Just type and try and it's easy.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Variable on Wed, 30 March 2011, 18:19:03
I knew

thought of how I would type nm
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Keymonger on Wed, 30 March 2011, 19:47:42
I totally knew.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: dr/owned on Wed, 30 March 2011, 19:52:20
Right obviously because M is a down sweep from J.  Plus on Dvorak N is B, which gets much less use.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: bytemeavaj on Wed, 30 March 2011, 20:10:25
No ripster, it is YOU who must tell ME something!

Why did you capitalize RIGHT but not left?
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: NimbleRabit on Wed, 30 March 2011, 20:23:46
I had trouble with this a few years ago when putting together a keyboard and decided to memorize it.  Not sure how it's helpful information to have crammed into my brain, but it's there nonetheless.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 30 March 2011, 22:03:05
i had to type it out w/o looking to even know, my muscle memory knows more than my "virtual imaging" knows.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Wed, 30 March 2011, 22:06:53
Yeah I had no idea. And yet I never look at the keyboard when I type.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Lophostrix on Wed, 30 March 2011, 22:08:19
Right. Where else would it go?
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: quadibloc on Wed, 30 March 2011, 22:46:42
It's an odd thing you posted this today. While I do remember the right answer without looking, I had occasion for some reason earlier today to double-check this very thing... my problem, though, was that I put my right hand back on the keyboard one key over, not that I had those two letters mixed up.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: dr/owned on Wed, 30 March 2011, 23:09:37
Quote from: ripster;321767
I found it interesting because it's the ONLY two Alpha characters on a QWERTY keyboard that are both adjacent and in reverse order.

Damn that Sholes character.

Imaginative flash back to a statistics class where that's a question on an exam.  "Compute the probability that at least two keys will be side by side in both the alphabet and on the keyboard given random arrangement".
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: pm_ on Wed, 30 March 2011, 23:20:51
Without looking or reading any responses, M is on the right of N.

I did touch type out the word moron though, since for some reason it's the first word that came to mind that has an m and an n...
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Phaiger on Thu, 31 March 2011, 00:04:10
Quote from: ripster;321767
I found it interesting because it's the ONLY two Alpha characters on a QWERTY keyboard that are both adjacent and in reverse order.


That would mean, that QWERTZ is superior to QWERTY, because it has TWO sets of characters, that meet your requirements (n/m, y/x)!
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Ekaros on Thu, 31 March 2011, 06:17:13
Quote from: ripster;321767
I found it interesting because it's the ONLY two Alpha characters on a QWERTY keyboard that are both adjacent and in reverse order.


Acctualy, Ä is on right side of Ö

And they go XYZÅÄÖ

Still, whole layout seems quite random...
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Agiel on Thu, 31 March 2011, 09:53:37
Quote from: ripster;321806
Well, I for one am confident Mr. Sholes had a good reason for it.

IIRC Sholes actually put M to the right of L (which makes a lot more sense) in his final design, but Remington moved it to it's current position after purchasing the device.
Title: M is left of N!
Post by: appie747 on Thu, 31 March 2011, 16:01:40
In Dvorak anyway!
(and a little bit down also)
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 31 March 2011, 16:09:37
If the keyboard is a QZERTY, M is not on the left nor on the right.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: denydog on Fri, 01 April 2011, 04:10:55
I got the correct answer easily, but probably because I'm re-learning touch typing.

My fingers still get a little confused by n/m, so I occasionally consciously think about them for a split second.  s and e are my worst finger memory problem at the moment. Overall I'm making pretty good progress since getting a Deck in late January, just have some finger memory senility issues.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: strum4h on Fri, 01 April 2011, 04:39:01
I totally had to look. I guess I dont really think about where all the keys are that much, just used to typing them.
Title: WITHOUT LOOKING - Tell me if M is on the left or RIGHT of N?
Post by: Brodie337 on Fri, 01 April 2011, 05:27:34
It's the only thing I **** up on my otaku board, even after like six months of practice.