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Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Thu, 05 May 2011, 00:15:13
So batches with low 100's as their serial number are failing much faster then the other batches
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 03:48:58
Quote from: Xibal;341897
So batches with low 100's as their serial number are failing much faster then the other batches

 
A dimmer led has nothing to do with the batch number, unless they changed provider of the component in the meantime.

BTW is obviously more easy to find a failed led from 106 of them, which are always on, than in a poorer keyboard like a filco where the leds are just 2 or 3 and are mostly off.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Thu, 05 May 2011, 04:58:02
Probably abit more clarification is needed for this thread like is it the last 3 digits of the serial number or the first 3. Otherwise sounds like another one of those "objective" threads.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 05:14:42
I presume the last three (mine is 171).

I suoppose that nothing is changed on the LED side, they are not overpowered by design, given that ther are 106 leds and that they ahve to stay on the 500mA limit they are powerd @ less than 5mA for each led (which is 1/4 of what an average blue led can manage) so the only variable is the led maker, Is pretty obvious that a 0.50$ LED is unthinkable on a backlit keyboard, so is impossible to have military quality LEDs for that application. Unless iOne want to sell keyboards with topre's prices.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Thu, 05 May 2011, 07:42:11
Mine is 146, I purposely delayed getting it when it first came out cause of those risks
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:18:24
Quote from: harrison;341969
Are these guys getting warranty or customer service, or are these boards being binned?  I could use a board's worth of blue springs.

 
Are all the filcos with the weared legends binned ? If yes, must be a big environmental treat...
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:28:22
haha, these threads crack me up
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:47:08
wats an xarmor
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:51:57
Quote from: harrison;341979
i would think not, the filco's are likely all sporting doubleshot or PBT keys by now.

 

At least the ninja solved the problem, no legends = no wearing.

Xarmor must  follow this way, and build the first lightless retroilluminated keyboard, no LEDs=no risk of failed LEDs.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:54:50
Quote from: ripster;341989
The orange text  (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5187/5641527472_8e254ed76d_z.jpg)means it's a link.

 
The orange means  four bundled wasd keys...:becky:
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:56:49
Quote from: noodles256;341987
wats an xarmor

 
It's something that when is broken becomes a filco...
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: woody on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:56:56
Quote from: The Solutor;341990
At least the ninja solved the problem, no legends = no wearing.
Don't think so - the clear-coat if present, will wear equally.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:59:23
Quote from: woody;341994
Don't think so - the clear-coat if present, will wear equally.

 
I mean they solved the deleted legends problem.

Wearing is obviously still there...
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 08:59:44
Quote from: ripster;341562
For a keyboard with serial numbers in the low 100's there sure are a LOT of these at OCN.

Maybe I missed it but I didn't see serial numbers in your reference.

Can you tell me what I'm suppose to look at?

Here's my Beaver shot for you ;-)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17920&d=1304603886)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:02:49
Quote from: BucklingSpring;341997
Maybe I missed it but I didn't see serial numbers in your reference.

Can you tell me what I'm suppose to look at?

Here's my Beaver shot for you ;-)
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17920&d=1304603886)


Last three digit, as I supposed, yours is 13th.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:09:22
Quote from: The Solutor;342001
Last three digit, as I supposed, yours is 13th.


Hum... Not sure we can only consider the last three digit.
I was told the the U9BL came first with a dot on the spacebar, then a second batch came out with a line.
I was also told to avoid the first batch (Dotted) at all cost. I'm pretty sure the two batches can also be differenciated by the SN.

Maybe it's the first 3 digits  ;-)

Any how... Still no issues with mine. But it's only couple months old.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: woody on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:10:00
IMHO, Filco keycaps are great for pad printed ones, perhaps the best I've seen so far. The offenders are:
 - people with acidic or similar abusive sweat
 - people with calluses
 - people with hard fingernails whose fingernail gets in contact with the keycap surface
And those who apply too much force during (rage) play. These groups are wearing off the clear-coat faster, and perhaps the pad-printed legend, but that's rare I think. Given how the same types of people wear off dyesubbed or doubleshot keycaps, there is nothing to complain about.

On the other hand, I have worn the decals off the expensive diNovo Edge, and my Filco stays like new. The clear-coat gives a nice unique feel, too.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:11:22
Quote from: BucklingSpring;342006
Hum... Not sure we can only consider the last three digit.
I was told the the U9BL came first with a dot on the spacebar, then a second batch came out with a line.
I was also told to avoid the first batch (Dotted) at all cost. I'm pretty sure the two batches can also be differenciated by the SN.

Maybe it's the first 3 digits  ;-)

Any how... Still no issues with mine. But it's only couple months old.

 

Other digits are identical to mine
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:15:02
Quote from: harrison;342005
so, basically, fewer features, fewer failures?  sounds like a sound business principal

Unfortunately, simple and reliable doesn't win business cases. Feature rich and prone to failure do (As long as it's not a health hazard)

In the Electronic world, the fewer moving parts the better.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:15:28
Quote from: woody;342008
IMHO, Filco keycaps are great for pad printed ones, perhaps the best I've seen so far. The offenders are:
 - people with acidic or similar abusive sweat
 - people with calluses
 - people with hard fingernails whose fingernail gets in contact with the keycap surface
And those who apply too much force during (rage) play. These groups are wearing off the clear-coat faster, and perhaps the pad-printed legend, but that's rare I think. Given how the same types of people wear off dyesubbed or doubleshot keycaps, there is nothing to complain about.

On the other hand, I have worn the decals off the expensive diNovo Edge, and my Filco stays like new. The clear-coat gives a nice unique feel, too.

 

Woody, seriously.

I couldn't care less if a 160$ keyboard lose its legends in three months.

I cited it just to aid some people a bit in short of memory.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:15:34
Quote from: The Solutor;342010
Other digits are identical to mine

And do you have a dot or a line on your spacebar?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:17:05
Quote
so, basically, fewer features, fewer failures?


http://www.overclock.net/13389100-post8.html
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:18:47
Quote from: BucklingSpring;342014
And do you have a dot or a line on your spacebar?

 
Line, I presume all brown keyboards are from the newer generation (i bought it by purpose).
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:24:13
I'm afraid I someone has an IT emergency, and he think that I'm the superhero of the day.

So I have to go.

Ripster get his life easier today...:wave:
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:29:50
I sent a PM to Phaedrus2129 asking for a higher resolution of his U9BL label. He got the dotted one.
The more I look at it the more I think it's the first 3 digit. :-)

We'll see.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:48:27
Quote from: BucklingSpring;342024
I sent a PM to Phaedrus2129 asking for a higher resolution of his U9BL label. He got the dotted one.
The more I look at it the more I think it's the first 3 digit. :-)

We'll see.

 
Mine was #99 of the first production batch. Ricercar has that one now.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:50:00
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;342037
Mine was #99 of the first production batch. Ricercar has that one now.

099 your first 3 digits?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Thu, 05 May 2011, 09:56:20
First three or last three, forget which.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 10:01:19
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;342044
First three or last three, forget which.

 LoL I demand your original full resolution picture :-)

(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/225/7/a/u9bl_12_by_Phaedrus2401.jpg)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Thu, 05 May 2011, 10:07:32
Found it!

(http://www.deviantart.com/download/175212538/u9bl_12_by_Phaedrus2401.jpg)

Edit: Auto-resized...

Link:
http://www.deviantart.com/download/175212538/u9bl_12_by_Phaedrus2401.jpg


100500099
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 10:15:56
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;342053
Found it!
100500099


100 5 00099 (5 MX Blue?)
110 1 00013 (1 MX Brown?)

It makes sens to read it that way:
Yours would be the 99th of that batch
And mine the 13th of that other batch

If any other U9BL owners in the room, please post your Serial Number :-)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Thu, 05 May 2011, 11:17:21
The Solutor and I already did in the first page but here is the full serial for mine

110 1 00146
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 12:16:10
Quote from: Xibal;342088
The Solutor and I already did in the first page but here is the full serial for mine

110 1 00146


Yours would be U9BL-S with a line on the spacebar.
I wonder if "110 5 XXXX" exists ie a U9BL with blue switches and also with a line on the spacebar.

So far I think most XArmor with problems have the DOT on the spacebar.

As collectible goes and as opposed to most keyboards, I think a used and fully working XArmor will worth more than a XArmor NIB.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 16:22:01
Quote
I'm starting to wonder if Xarmor serial numbers will ever break 500


You should join a so exclusive club
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Thu, 05 May 2011, 16:45:32
Dug through my old conversations with the XArmor sales folks when I was doing the review, and then product testing. Found this:

Quote
Serial Number 10 (year made), 05 (project batch month). Last 5 digit is the unit number. you have the # 99 made. total 1000 units has been made on this batch.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 18:07:56
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;342225
Dug through my old conversations with the XArmor sales folks when I was doing the review, and then product testing. Found this:


In other words, you need both Model and SN to know what you are dealing with since the SN isn't enough. Ok.

I'd be curious to hear what ErgoGeek has to say about XArmor RMA rates.
Is it really any worst than other comparable products?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 18:23:28
Quote from: BucklingSpring;342247

Is it really any worst than other comparable products?

 
Comparable products are just two atm.

BWU and Deck legend. None of them is sold by ergogeek
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 05 May 2011, 19:33:37
Quote from: The Solutor;342252
Comparable products are just two atm.

BWU and Deck legend. None of them is sold by ergogeek


I know Deck's had early issues. It was just an opportunity to prove their after sale service.
We can complain all we want for their weird footprint and ugly fonts. The Decks are rock solid and the keys don't wear.
 
Plus Decks has been there for a while.

BWU sucks and is relatively new. Razer service is horrible.

So between the 3 on the market, it seams that the XArmor has more in common with the BWU than the Deck.
The big question is... Do the horror stories we hear about the XARmor only applies to their early runs.

I hope the Zibal 60 will comes with Deck's quality or better.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 05 May 2011, 20:09:28
Quote from: BucklingSpring;342269
I know Deck's had early issues. It was just an opportunity to prove their after sale service..

 
It's easier to provide a better aftersale service when you sell a similar product for a lot of more money.

Apple has a better customer service than most of the other PC/cellphone brands but their products are double priced.

I couldn't care less if HTC has a poorer service than Apple when I payed my Desire Z 399€ when an Iphone is sold at 700€.

Quote
Plus Decks has been there for a while.


This helps the new customers but not helps a lot the older ones.

Every product is used to improve over time.

I was sure that Xarmor was the best product of its category and I'll not change my mind until Zibal will be out.

And even in that moment I'll have to see the real cost and how it performs.

P.S. Other than that my specific U9 is unique a no other cherry board can match its mix of feature and typing pleasure (and was just the first mod, stay tuned...  :)   )
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: ricercar on Thu, 05 May 2011, 20:09:51
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;342053
Found it!

Show Image
(http://www.deviantart.com/download/175212538/u9bl_12_by_Phaedrus2401.jpg)


Edit: Auto-resized...

Link:
http://www.deviantart.com/download/175212538/u9bl_12_by_Phaedrus2401.jpg


100500099

 
hey! That's my underwear!
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Corland on Thu, 05 May 2011, 21:58:22
My replacement UBL-9S (brown) has a serial ending in 401. Since X-Armor decided to trash me here, I am keeping the board rather than trying to sell it, but using it on a secondary box and NEVER taking the keycaps off. It was nice of them to send me a whole new board, but I was out of a keyboard for more than a month (counting shipping both ways)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Fri, 06 May 2011, 02:08:31
Quote from: The Solutor;342284
It's easier to provide a better aftersale service when you sell a similar product for a lot of more money.


What are you talking about?

Deck Legend retails at 169.00
XArmor U9BL-S retails at 199.00... For a iOne clone, this is not a bargain. I wonder why ErgoGeek is giving such a great discount on the XArmor. Maybe they are trying to get rid of them as fast as possible?

One thing I just noticed... After only two months of use, the XArmor's large keys are starting to wobble more than what they should. They have weak stabilizers and I expect them to fail before long if pressed off center (time will tell). I went back to both my Decks (MX Black and MX Clear) . After two years, the large keys on the Decks are not wobbly at all and there is no difference in feel if the keys are pressed off center or not.

XArmor certainly found creative ways to shave costs.
http://www.xarmor-usa.com/ (http://www.xarmor-usa.com/)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Fri, 06 May 2011, 07:43:52
Haha you actually believe it was retailing for $199, it's a marketing trick, jack up the price put on a discount makes people think they are getting a saving cause that's how uninformed people buy. If they were actually retailing $199, Xarmor would of gone under faster than bin laden going under to Pakistan.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Fri, 06 May 2011, 09:45:54
Quote from: Xibal;342443
Haha you actually believe it was retailing for $199, it's a marketing trick, jack up the price put on a discount makes people think they are getting a saving cause that's how uninformed people buy. If they were actually retailing $199, Xarmor would of gone under faster than bin laden going under to Pakistan.

 
I'm not so sure.

Make an average product superexpensive and people will think that the product is something exclusive. Topre docet (just to look at the kb market only)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Fri, 06 May 2011, 09:53:24
That's abit of a gamble, especially in the modern day keyboard industry, the average consumer will think WTF!! at such an expensive keyboard and probably won't buy it. But Topre's use capacitive switches and by the sound of how to remove their key caps, keyboard must be pretty expensive anyway.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Fri, 06 May 2011, 10:06:13
Quote from: Xibal;342443
Haha you actually believe it was retailing for $199, it's a marketing trick, jack up the price put on a discount makes people think they are getting a saving cause that's how uninformed people buy.


I know the trick very well. I'd be curious to see how much the first backlit XArmor were sold at.

I didn't buy mine at 135 because of the discount. I got it because I thought it was a decent price for a "feature rich" backlit clone.

Here's how I see it now U9BL(2010)Pound for pound, $ for $ the Deck is of much better quality.

Although I'm a Razer hater, some of their products tend to improve over time. You call them for a problem and they will deny Razer's responsibility even under torture. Meanwhile, if it is indeed Razer's problem, they will fix it sooner or later by firmware or hardware (Whatever works). The BWU will probably be a much more mature product in 2 more years down the road.

Meanwhile, if the XArmor keys maintain their state (do not get wobbly to the point they fail when pressed off center) then it is still a decent product for the price (135).

When I get bored of a keyboard, I usually put it back in its box and shelf it. For the XArmor, I think I'm going to lend it to a gamer friend just to see how reliable this thing is.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Fri, 06 May 2011, 11:58:43
Quote from: BucklingSpring;342510
I know the trick very well. I'd be curious to see how much the first backlit XArmor were sold at.

$159.99 I believe, which then quickly dropped to $139.99 within a month or two.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Fri, 06 May 2011, 15:20:04
Thanks to Solutor for bouncing me around... Here's what I'm talking about when I say there is a problem with XArmor Stabilizer design...

Few people have reported breaking XArmor keycaps while removing them. I didn't break any but I noticed increased wobbleling since I got the keyboard. Which lead me to think that the plastic is too soft.

Pictures worth 1000 of words. Here's a Deck VS XArmor shift key photo shoot.

This is what I call XArmor weak stabilizer crap:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17958&d=1304712022)
Have you seen the gauge of the metal bar on this thing? It's so small I would not use them as paper clips. Then what the f is this tiny little piece of sh!t insert to hold the stabilizer?

You think you can look me in the face and tell me this is not cheap plastic without laughing?

Deck vs XArmor keycaps... Plastic quality difference is obvious (Deck on top, XArmor under)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17961&d=1304712076)

Now just compare the bases. Again Deck on top and more cheap thin XArmor plastic under.
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17960&d=1304712057)
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17959&d=1304712041)

Hugh... Close ups are gross. Sorry for the hairy shots...

I hope I will be able to put this ridicule insert back in place without breaking anything.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Fri, 06 May 2011, 15:45:04
i had no trouble with my blackwidow in the 3 months I owned it. I actually liked it better than my Filco

just wish it came tenkeyless
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Fri, 06 May 2011, 15:46:31
I've already replied on the other thread, btw there's already a wiki (and a poll) about the difference of costar/filco style stabilizers and the cherry ones.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Sun, 08 May 2011, 10:32:25
get it replaced, its under warranty

@BucklingSpring, I knew it wasn't even worth $135, and only pulled the trigger when there was a further discount on it. Looking at those pictures, pretty obvious its to cut down on costs, decks got dummy switches which makes them more expensive. Decks also use pbt key caps, so pretty much that sums up the difference. Even if you want to compare $ for $, that's fine since in the states you guys are the mothers of all consumers so will get the cheapest goods, people that are live outside won't get that luxury. Since Deck themselves won't sell overseas I would of have gone to a to 3rd part retailer which they will mark up the price for keyboard and then on top of that there is the international shipping. So if you try and take all that account, no $ for $ doesn't mean the deck is better built/$. And in case your wondering, I actually trawled the forums on the deck website to check whether that 3rd party retailer was any good and sad to say they weren't at least for the country that I reside in, so I really didn't have a choice. And like someone said on these forums, no perfect backlit keyboard, a compromise has to be made.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 08 May 2011, 10:42:17
Quote from: Xibal;343308
get it replaced, its under warranty


Oh yes, sooner the better and tell us your customer service story.

Especially if the XArmor folks are nice with you.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Sun, 08 May 2011, 11:00:06
Maybe instead of twittering your thumbs on forums, get together and do something about the way they treat you, you're Americans you guys should love this stuff, class action here, petition there.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 08 May 2011, 11:28:26
Quote from: Xibal;343308
And like someone said on these forums, no perfect backlit keyboard, a compromise has to be made.


Good point. Do your retail stores sell Razer products in your area?
Because if they do, with all these things considered, it makes the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate much more attractive.

Mionix seams to produce both quality products and service. Maybe the Zibal 60 will address Intl shortage.

And if the Solutor's prediction is true. Mechanical backlit will become more mainstream in a near future.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Zet on Sun, 08 May 2011, 12:37:11
phew... thank God and GHers that I didn't pick the XArmor, I would certainly be pissed off if I had it brought from USA to South America, and I would have to send it back to get a replacement or refund -.-
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 08 May 2011, 12:55:04
Quote from: Zet;343366
phew... thank God and GHers that I didn't pick the XArmor, I would certainly be pissed off if I had it brought from USA to South America, and I would have to send it back to get a replacement or refund -.-


This would have been worst case scenario. To XArmor's credit, they also sell some that works :-)
Solutor's and mine are two of them.

The fact that I think it's only good for a one night stand and Solutor is ready to propose and have babies with it is irrelevant.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: RickyJ on Sun, 08 May 2011, 13:24:02
And not just in PM's or email, but on a public forum dedicated to the niche market they're trying to be a part of.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:15:03
Quote from: ripster;343402
It's a common technique by Chinese Clone manufacturers on Chinese Keyboard Forums.


For all I know the "XArmor" user may as well be an Alien dog specialized in probing live stocks. Anyone from anywhere can register with any name as long as it is available.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Sun, 08 May 2011, 15:31:47
Quote from: RickyJ;343401
And not just in PM's or email, but on a public forum dedicated to the niche market they're trying to be a part of.

 
If someone put some mud on my name publicly, I reply publicly, or I sue him.

What's wrong in that?

The user with broken keys told an incorrect story (i don't want to use the term lie) they replied. Thats all.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: whocares1195 on Sun, 08 May 2011, 16:46:37
Quote from: BucklingSpring;342510
I know the trick very well. I'd be curious to see how much the first backlit XArmor were sold at.

I didn't buy mine at 135 because of the discount. I got it because I thought it was a decent price for a "feature rich" backlit clone.

Here's how I see it now U9BL(2010)Pound for pound, $ for $ the Deck is of much better quality.

Although I'm a Razer hater, some of their products tend to improve over time. You call them for a problem and they will deny Razer's responsibility even under torture. Meanwhile, if it is indeed Razer's problem, they will fix it sooner or later by firmware or hardware (Whatever works). The BWU will probably be a much more mature product in 2 more years down the road.

Meanwhile, if the XArmor keys maintain their state (do not get wobbly to the point they fail when pressed off center) then it is still a decent product for the price (135).

When I get bored of a keyboard, I usually put it back in its box and shelf it. For the XArmor, I think I'm going to lend it to a gamer friend just to see how reliable this thing is.

 
I got the Blackwidow Ultimate around December 2010.  My first mechanical keyboard.  I would say it was one of the first ones that started shipping here in the USA.  The only issue I had was that the center mount (which goes on the cherry switch) of the "0" key on the tenkey broke recently with normal use.  I was able to do a ghetto fix with some superglue but now it's a smidge crooked when mounted.  I must admit that I use the key a lot since it is used as a "Play" button in Pro Tools (music daw software) but I don't bang on my ****.  

I contacted Razer about it and they had me email my invoice and even asked for some pictures of the broken key which I provided.  They shipped me a new "0" key complete with metal bar and plastic stabilizers.  They told me though that they didn't really have replacements and that they had to pull it off a RMA'ed board which I was fine with (the key looked brand new when I got it).  Whole process took about five days which I consider good; then again I live in California and their office is located in Carlsbad, CA so it didn't take too long to get to me.  It's the first time I ever dealt with Razer so it was a good experience.  The only other Razer product I have is a 3.5 DeathAdder mouse which has been good.  I'm not really a hardcore gamer and I only play a game here and there so my stuff tends to last a while.    

I just got a U9BL-S board recently and it has been running fine.  I would say I've had it for a little over a week.  I type a lot at night with my girl sleeping in the room but she never complains, so I convinced myself that the chery mx blues were bothering her so I bought it lol.  The board has been running fine and the build looks great.  It was this or the Das S Ultimate Silent but I like the backlighting since I like to mix music at night and actually use media keys.  The website seems sketchy but I figured if this board messes up somehow, it'll be a good excuse to buy another mechanical keyboard which would be the DAS.

So far, the BWU is in my closet waiting to come out next month.  I'm gonna switch back and forth between the two every month and see which one I like.  The U9BL-S has been holding it's own and I just redid the "TypingMaster Pro" program with the board and it held up.  I ordered 3 sets of colored blanks from TaoBao using an agent from taobaospree.  It's my first time ordering from TaoBao so I'll see if this pans out.  I've been eyeing some Filco Reds but I can't bring myself to spend that much dough yet.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 08 May 2011, 17:43:22
Quote from: whocares1195;343481
Whole process took about five days which I consider good; then again I live in California and their office is located in Carlsbad, CA so it didn't take too long to get to me.  It's the first time I ever dealt with Razer so it was a good experience.

 
This is a refreshing story. Thanks for sharing.

Do you still have the pictures of your broken
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: whocares1195 on Sun, 08 May 2011, 18:12:46
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343501
This is a refreshing story. Thanks for sharing.

Do you still have the pictures of your broken
  • . I'd like to see what kind of stabilizer Razer uses in the BWU?
The stabilizers I would say are an exact match to the pics of the U9BL-S keys you posted earlier in the thread.  

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8132/file0013b.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/file0013b.jpg/)
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9532/file0014.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/file0014.jpg/)
(http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4655/file0019h.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/717/file0019h.jpg/)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 08 May 2011, 18:47:15
Quote from: whocares1195;343511
The stabilizers I would say are an exact match to the pics of the U9BL-S keys you posted earlier in the thread.


Thanks

I can also see  from your pic that the clips looks identical as well.

How about the little inserts?

Now I'm starting to wonder what Solutor was talking about when he said the BWU stabilizers were worst than the XArmor's.

See the R1 on both pictures. The Left shift (on my picture) is a bit whider than my
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Sun, 08 May 2011, 18:56:14
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343514
Thanks

I can also see  from your pic that the clips looks identical as well.

How about the little inserts?

Now I'm starting to wonder what Solutor was talking about when he said the BWU stabilizers were worst that the XArmor's.

The setup seams to be identical.


Keycaps are clearly made by the same company (the board,likely not), as I wrote in my  minireview, one month ago.

(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/5277/bwxarmor.png)


what changes is the placement of the hinges on the metal plate,where the holes are larger on BW, the switches are also placed weaker, with the result of more wobbly keys and large keys.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Sun, 08 May 2011, 20:29:40
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343344
Good point. Do your retail stores sell Razer products in your area?
Because if they do, with all these things considered, it makes the Razer Blackwidow Ultimate much more attractive.

Mionix seams to produce both quality products and service. Maybe the Zibal 60 will address Intl shortage.

And if the Solutor's prediction is true. Mechanical backlit will become more mainstream in a near future.


I do have Razers being sold in retail sotres, but at the time of purchase they were too expensive, more expensive than the Xarmors. I do look forward to the Zibal and hopefully leads the way in quality and service for mech keyboards. On a side note, I've had my Xarmor for about month and it's still going strong
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: whocares1195 on Sun, 08 May 2011, 20:43:23
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343514
Thanks

I can also see  from your pic that the clips looks identical as well.

How about the little inserts?

Now I'm starting to wonder what Solutor was talking about when he said the BWU stabilizers were worst than the XArmor's.

See the R1 on both pictures. The Left shift (on my picture) is a bit whider than my
  • on the XArmor 10key. Which make me think the
  • of the XArmor is identical to the BWU's. These two boards seams to have much more in common than what I beleived at first.
Sorry I don't have any pics of the little plastic inserts since they were still in working condition and Razer didn't need to see pics of them. I can say for sure though that they look exactly like the Xarmor ones.

With the quality of the keycaps aside; I still think both boards are decent up to this point in time if you're the type that wants a backlit mechanical. We'll see how long their quality will last for the rest of the year.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 08 May 2011, 21:00:08
Quote from: ripster;343547
Here's another thread at OCN that looks like it's not going well.

Bashing Xarmor with Thor's Hammer  is as easy as shooting Duckys in a swimming pool.

I'm hoping Mionix finally breaks this Gobi desert of decent backlit mechanicals.


Actually that OCN thread is not that bad.

Now can you explain to me how this works?

I'm having issues to post pictures of attachements without the redondant thumbnail under the post.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Sun, 08 May 2011, 21:07:42
Quote from: ripster;343547
Here's another thread at OCN that looks like it's not going well. (http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/1009877-switch-switch-x-armor-filco-leopold.html)

Bashing Xarmor with Thor's Hammer  is as easy as shooting Duckys in a swimming pool.

 
Hahah, poor guy...

Another bright mind ruined by your treadcrapping....
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Sun, 08 May 2011, 21:23:10
Quote
I don't think you understand that threadcrapping is being rude in a Ebay/Classifieds/GreatFinds listing.


Seriously, i think that disagreeing is a bit different than spend the whole day seeking about news that would help in bashing a product.

So I call putting crap on a thread "treadcrapping" until someone will suggest a better word.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Mon, 09 May 2011, 01:29:03
Might as well change the thread title to "News to dish out Xarmors", seriously, its like you got a personal crusade against the xarmors, duckys and any other keyboard thats had serious faults even though you haven't owned any of them.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 09:16:24
Quote from: ripster;343751
I don't think "News to dish out Xarmors" is a very good thread title.

How about, "Why are Xarmor LEDS burning out faster than Lindsay Lohan's career?".


RoFL... Ripster and Solutor represent the universal balance of the Universe.

You add Solutor's aka Yoda unconditional love for the XArmor with Ripster's hatred aka Darth Vader and you get something pretty much close reality.

My objective conclusion follows:

Both XArmor and Blackwidow are built with low tolerance, cheap/weak plastic keycaps and extremely weak stabilizer system.
Razer is widely available and besides the deny problems at all cost, they do consider "pictures" of offenders seriously and will send replacing parts taken from the BlackWidow already well populated cemetery.

XArmor lack of presence and "in your face attitude" might please some hard core punk but probably not the average customer.

For the moment and until new competition shows up (ie Zibal 60) the Mechanical backlit market goes as this: You can get a cheaper BWU knowing the above or go with a more expensive butt ugly Deck with proven, reliable and a bit outdated technology.

The XArmor is bound to win a Darwin Award (http://www.darwinawards.com/) within a year or two. Buy them if you are a collector. Mine will soon sit on my wall of shame, right next to my TVS Gold(*).

(*) To the TVS Gold credit, it is dirt cheap and worth more than what it cost.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 09 May 2011, 09:19:20
why bash blackwidow as well?

xarmor sucks !
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 09:35:42
Quote from: noodles256;343761
why bash blackwidow as well?

Take out service and availibility, add couples of features, quality wise they're on the same line.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:11:52
Quote from: ripster;343792
Actually if you take out service, availability, quality, and durability they still look like a 1980's Answering Machine.


Sorry for asking but who's "they"?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:13:57
my blackwidow was fine for the 3 months i owned it.

derp
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:16:05
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343760

Both XArmor and Blackwidow are built with low tolerance, cheap/weak plastic keycaps and extremely weak stabilizer system.

 

Do you really think that I bought the xarmor after the bad experience with the poor blackwidow just to made myself the evil fighter ?

Do you really think that after 15 years spent in electronics repair and another 15 spent as IT technician I'm not able to distinguish a crap product from a good one, especially having both side by side on my desk ?

Xarmor is far from perfect: should have a couple of knobs for volume and backlit control.

Should have a red/yellow/amber backlit.

Should be available with the good ISO enter as the BW, instead of that stupid ANSI one.

BUT that said, is well built, is reasonably priced (ask yourself when filco will exit from the stone age, how  much will cost a backlit majestouch) and feels solid with a pleasant sound when typing, and this is the main difference you can see between xarmor and BW aside the stabler keys.

That said I can perfectly understand why ripster (and not just ripster) hate it, it the usual hate by someone who spent a lot of money for a supposedly elitary product, when he see a better product sold for less money.

In that case a member of such supposed elitary club can't do a lot to made himself feel better, so manages to bash the enemy "proletary" product, spreading a bit of urban legends about it.

Funny reading for experienced users, misleading reading for the newcomers.

That's all
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:19:14
chea ay

I am misleading the troops

chea ay
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:32:32
Quote from: The Solutor;343804
Do you really think that after 15 years spent in electronics repair and another 15 spent as IT technician I'm not able to distinguish a crap product from a good one, especially having both side by side on my desk ?


Let me make sure I get this right. Are you telling me there is a world of difference between the XArmor and the BWU quality?
XArmor good vs BWU crap. If yes, I demand supporting pictures.
 
Sorry I didn't spent 15 years peeping at a Blackwidow. To my humble eyes, they are both comparable.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:32:48
elitists
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:39:55
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343814
I demand supporting pictures.

 

BW, i presume, is easy to touch, so you have already touched the xarmor, go in a store and touch a BW and try the difference yourself.

I don't have a good photograph machine to capture the typing pleasure
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:43:17
Quote from: ripster;343817
That's why we buy EliteKeyboards.


Well, that's Solutor's point. The XArmor is as good as it gets for poor men budget.
I tell him, well if this is the case, better get a BWU for the same money. Because nobody from the service department will spit in your face if your keyboard breaks.

We are just numb brained elites with way too much cash on our hands.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:49:59
Quote
Well, that's Solutor's point.


We, in Italy call this "rivoltare la frittata" feel free to find a good English replacement.

Quote
We are just numb brained elites with way too much cash on our hands.


You said it
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 10:51:09
Quote from: The Solutor;343822
I don't have a good photograph machine to capture the typing pleasure

MX Blue vs MX Brown is another discussion.

But you're right on this, so far the XArmor is pleasant to type on it.

I don't have other MX Brown based keyboard to compare.

As I said... the XArmor is good for a one night stand.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:01:39
Quote from: The Solutor;343834
We, in Italy call this "rivoltare la frittata" feel free to find a good English replacement.

You said it

 
Man I respect your passion.

You still haven't told me where you are going to get replacement teeth when our lovely **** is going to lose them after a blow job or two.

I'm the king of vulgar elitism.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:10:07
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343841

You still haven't told me where you are going to get replacement teeth when our lovely **** is going to lose them after a blow job or two.

 

I assume your skill with google translation is not so good

Rivoltare la frittata means, litterally, to flip an omelet, you can translate as "to twist an argument"

BTW, if you don't like the xarmor, why not sell it to someone can appreciate it ?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:11:26
Quote from: ripster;343846
Please.  No vulgarity in my thread.  The topic is vulgar enough as it is.

I accept the warning... Do you want me to soften(edit) the wordage?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:12:09
this reminds of a yellow submarine.

cherry mx yellow
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:14:15
Quote from: The Solutor;343847
I assume your skill with google translation is not so good

Rivoltare la frittata means, litterally, to flip an omelet, you can translate as "to flip an argument"


LoL I was not referring to your eggs. I was referring to your post where you said you don't care if your XArmor breaks because you will then replace the broken parts. ie the beauty of all mechanical keyboards.

You didn't tell me where you were going to get your replacement parts.
I already started another thread about this. Ripster suggested a place, but I haven't got any response from them yet.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:28:44
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343851
LoL I was not referring to your eggs. I was referring to your post where you said you don't care if your XArmor breaks because you will then replace the broken parts. ie the beauty of all mechanical keyboards.

You didn't tell me where you were going to get your replacement parts.
I already started another thread about this. Ripster suggested a place, but I haven't got any response from them yet.


(Oh my god, I think I know... That's why you are keeping the Blackwidow... To scavenger the parts for your XArmor.)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:51:00
that's craptastic
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:54:33
i just got a blackwidow for 65
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:55:37
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343860
(Oh my god, I think I know... That's why you are keeping the Blackwidow... To scavenger the parts for your XArmor.)

 

It's an option, another one is make it backlit a third is simply ebay it.

All are  better options than spend 32 euro to return or repair a (broken) product payed 80.

BTW I have to thank the crap razer support, if they were kind enough to swap my keyboard I likely had purchased a BWU, instead they ended with an user that will never buy another razer product.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 09 May 2011, 11:57:15
i never had problem with their products so can't say much about support

talking about razer
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 12:36:00
Quote from: The Solutor;343872
instead they ended with an user that will never buy another razer product.

I hear you... That's why I'm a Razer hater and ended up buying a XArmor LoL.

I've also heared nice ending stories with Razer. I don't know about Italy. But here, the major retail stores will replace deffective products (short 1 month, average 3 months and some will even push it to 3 years if you pay for the extended warranty). Since Razer's product are sold in those retail stores, you can get that kind of service for the Blackwidow. But If I knew from the get go that the XArmor was similar to the BWU, I wouldn't have buy one period. I was hopping for better quality.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 09 May 2011, 12:48:21
Quote from: BucklingSpring;343898
I hear you... That's why I'm a Razer hater and ended up buying a XArmor LoL.

I've also heared nice ending stories with Razer. I don't know about Italy. But here, the major retail stores will replace deffective products (short 1 month, average 3 months and some will even push it to 3 years if you pay for the extended warranty). Since Razer's product are sold in those retail stores, you can get that kind of service for the Blackwidow. But If I knew from the get go that the XArmor was similar to the BWU, I wouldn't have buy one period. I was hopping for better quality.

 
Also in italy razer products are sold in retail stores, but I had the bright idea to buy directly from razer store (which has the Italian section anyway), I did it because this solution is usually a better solution.

All the mainstream brands, usually, will send the courier to home to take the broken product. Those jenius, instead will pretend an international traceable shipment to their center in Germany, which translates in 32€ as the cheapest option.

At least when one buy from US already knows that warranty is more or less toilet paper. Because of this, initially, I discarded both Xarmor and Deck. Was a mistake, and I payed it
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 09 May 2011, 12:59:25
Usually, the people with problems are the only ones posting.

The people who have the product and it runs fine don't post.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 13:07:27
Quote from: noodles256;343910
Usually, the people with problems are the only ones posting.

The people who have the product and it runs fine don't post.


The people who are very pleased with their product will also share the joy.
 
The forums only represent a tiny tiny share of the user population. Some will hang around just for the fun of it. Other will visit expecting educated advices or seeking solutions for problems.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 13:25:40
Quote from: ripster;343918
I recommend Xarmor for people who enjoy riskier >1% failure rates.  Do the numbers and you'll see that failure rates are unusually high and customer support statistically bad.
Razer Ultimate for everybody else.  Or wait for Mionix.  Mionix looks HAWT!!!


You don't see any niche for the good old Deck?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 14:04:11
Quote from: ripster;343921
It's OK.  Having a nonsculpted key profile is kinda weird - the only mechanical keyboard AFAIK with that.  Like a lot of Rubber Dome keyboards.


It's kind of sculpted.

Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 17:37:19
Quote from: ripster;343952
See the All About Keys wiki.

Ok... I just did and what am I supposed to look at?
(Is it the flat key alignment or the shape of the key itself?)

Nice shot of the Deck keycap parts btw.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: ricercar on Mon, 09 May 2011, 17:39:50
Quote from: ripster;343806
This Jawbone Jam OTOH is a QUALITY made product.


You picked the wrong company for your analogy ripster. I've owned three Jawbone earpieces and they were all fragile pieces of ****.

Aleph/Jawbone makes impressive products that break and fail within days of opening the package.  If the ear wire doesn't snap, then the chassis comes apart making it impossible to recharge earpiece. If you complain about failures on their forums, they erase your posts even when you use civil language. If you call sales about new ear wires they tell you they stopped making them (without waiting 7 years after the product stopped shipping, violating California law, but that's another story) because they broke too easily and then try to offer you 5% off their latest piece of **** earpiece.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=18034&d=1304980568)

Not that I have any baggage about the Aleph/Jawbone company, or anything. No way; I'm impartial. I'm like ripster. I evaluate products only on personal experience [strike]and not because I read some teenager's rant on OCN[/strike]. Therefore all Jawbone products are manufactured feces. Thumbs down.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 09 May 2011, 22:40:56
Quote from: ripster;344070
I mention that the keys are all the same profile on each row instead of "sculpted" like every other mechanical keyboard I know of.


So this why you don't consider the Deck in the mechanical backlit options.

Dude you're a tough customer.

The Solutor is to XArmor what I am for Deck. I love them unconditionally even if they are butt ugly... Decks are as robust as mechanical board can get and they do their primary functions flawlessly years after years.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: audioave10 on Mon, 09 May 2011, 23:21:54
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f356/averydla/IBMDeck.jpg)

I really like my Deck (bad picture). I'm not a true typist so the font doesn't bother me. Only 3 keys (capslock, tab, control) that have a little backlight bleeding.
It is a tank and I've gamed on it for over a year now. It still looks the same as the day I bought it. The ***** WAS $180 delivered from Performance PC.
They at least double-packaged it.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 10 May 2011, 01:01:40
Quote from: BucklingSpring;344178

Decks are as robust as mechanical board can get and they do their primary functions flawlessly years after years.


I'm not in a nuclear refuge, so I think that the primary function of a keyboard is to be handy, nice to type on, with good ergonomics and last but not least good looking. Durability is obviously appreciated but is not a basic requirement until I'm stuck in a nuclear refuge.

The price is also a main parameter, because w/o consider it durability means noting: do you think that a single filco will last more than two (half priced) ducky ? Or more than 10 decent rubber domes ?

Frankly, our love for the mechs has noting to do with durability. Perhaps durability of cherry boards in general is another urban legend. They can be easily fixed, thats all, but be sure that a good rubber dome keyboard will last longer than any cherry
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 10 May 2011, 01:22:50
Quote from: ripster;344253
I think the most important thing for a backlit keyboard is for the keys to stay lit up.

 

So, just buy a sidewinder X6 it has only a dozen of leds, and being few they are likely high quality leds and cost 1/3 of a legend or 1/2 of an Xarmor.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 10 May 2011, 08:11:59
Quote from: The Solutor;344247
The primary function of a keyboard is to be handy, nice to type on, with good ergonomics and last but not least good looking. Durability is obviously appreciated but is not a basic requirement until I'm stuck in a nuclear refuge.


I can't find when Deck started backlit keyboards (2004ish maybe). Anyway I got my first in 2005. It is handy, nice to type on, ergonomics is debatable. This is a gaming keyboard, so I'd say with MX Black you are dead on ergonomics. All the leds are still bright (even too bright for my taste, I don't pump them all up).

Butt ugly is not nice, they use weird fonts. Back then it was the only choice and as of today, they are still the only ones making nuclear proof, baseball proof, bullet proof, Super Hero Approved keyboards. Even old, they can still kick Chuck Norris ass.

Don't mess with my Deck or your sorry XArmor arse will regret it ;-)

OH I forgot the most important - THE KEY STAY LIT UP reboots after reboots after reboots.

If you want something rugged, don't buy the ones that sounds tough (wishful thinking XArmor).

I have balls of steel and my Deck is bigger than yours.
Bend over XArmor ;-)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 10 May 2011, 08:18:26
Quote from: audioave10;344197
It still looks the same as the day I bought it. The ***** WAS $180 delivered from Performance PC.
They at least double-packaged it.

 
Oh you just remind me something. When I got my second one delivered. It was not double-packaged and the box was in horrible condition. I thought the Deck was going to be broken in pieces. I was scare to open it and see how badly dammaged it was going to be. Hell, it was squeaky clean. All in one working piece and still rocking today as good as new.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Tue, 10 May 2011, 08:43:56
too much testosterone for you guys
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 10 May 2011, 09:00:23
@ ripster

how is the battery life on the jawbone?

I am looking for a speaker for my mbpro
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 10 May 2011, 09:07:53
I have always been sceptical on bluetooth devices since my sh!tty bluetooth headphones.

thx for input though

guess i am getting the x-mini
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 10 May 2011, 09:10:57
Quote from: ripster;344360
I hate buying Cheap Ugly Stuff

 

So why you bought that HP joke instead of a decent one like the X120e ?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 10 May 2011, 09:12:49
Quote from: noodles256;344357
@ ripster

how is the battery life on the jawbone?

I am looking for a speaker for my mbpro

 
Kind of a Deck... Ugly, expensive and Extremely good - Plantronic Voyager Pro.
I tried so many headset, its not funny. Including the jawbone (which is very very good if you use it in quiet places)
The Voyager Pro works well in Airports and other noisy places. Sounds cristal clear both ways.

http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/voyager-pro (http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/voyager-pro)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 10 May 2011, 09:19:35
Quote from: BucklingSpring;344370
Kind of a Deck... Ugly, expensive and Extremely good - Plantronic Voyager Pro.
I tried so many headset, its not funny. Including the jawbone (which is very very good if you use it in quiet places)
The Voyager Pro works well in Airports and other noisy places. Sounds cristal clear both ways.

http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/voyager-pro (http://www.plantronics.com/us/product/voyager-pro)

thx man?

yes
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 10 May 2011, 09:28:31
ive been reading reviews on it, I have only seen a couple who complain about it and that is usually because it breaks after a few uses.

I am probably gonna end up getting the jawbone, it looks smexyy
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 10 May 2011, 09:29:08
Quote from: ripster;344375
Jawbones are good because they use proprietary noise cancellation technology from military R&D.

Right, just like the Hummer. Except the GM you and I can buy is no better than the XArmor.

My boss told me once... Man don't wear this thing in front of me (Voyager-Pro), it's offensive.
He was kidding of course, but just to tell you how ugly this thing is.

But... Better noise cancellation than the JB and longer battery life. Two critical factors for me.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 10 May 2011, 09:40:41
Quote
Right, just like the Hummer


Good analogy. The worst example of American design, the worst example of pointless vehicle (if used not for military purposes), a good example of environmental disaster.

Deck legend miss just the environmental disaster part. Look at the photo of it side by side with the model M. The latter looks like an object from the future
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 10 May 2011, 12:41:21
Quote from: noodles256;344380
ive been reading reviews on it, I have only seen a couple who complain about it and that is usually because it breaks after a few uses.

At least Jawbone is consistent across product lines.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 10 May 2011, 16:51:15
Quote from: ripster;344411
Xarmor.  It's a Trap.

You guys are hilarious.  If you had stopped responding 10 pages ago this thread would be deader than a Xarmor LED.


LoL you bet :-)

Just debating for the fun of it. Meanwhile I hope Solutor is getting a commission on every pro XArmor posts he makes. I say he's producing over 90% of positive XArmor presence/PR on the Internet.

:-)
 
If anyone is hiring, I highly recommend Solutor as senior product representative.
Taking a product like the XArmor and making it sounds good is a tour de force. It didn't even seam a challenge for him.

I drink to that.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 10 May 2011, 18:37:26
Quote from: BucklingSpring;344610
LoL you bet :-)

Just debating for the fun of it. Meanwhile I hope Solutor is getting a commission on every pro XArmor posts he makes. I say he's producing over 90% of positive XArmor presence/PR on the Internet.

:-)
 
If anyone is hiring, I highly recommend Solutor as senior product representative.
Taking a product like the XArmor and making it sounds good is a tour de force. It didn't even seam a challenge for him.

I drink to that.

 

Come back back to the planet earth please.

And realize that someone here is just looking for a good, modern, keyboard.

Realize also that someone is not interested in pointless, fetishistic, collecting manias.

I use ONE PC, and ONE keyboard, and I couldn't care less if you are rich enough, or stupid enough (or both) to put your hands in every keyboard you can find over the internet.

I'm interested in keyboards, as I'm interested in PCs in general, HIFI, cellphones and smartphones, android, linux and so on.

So may I speck about the keyboard I selected after a reasonably long period of time, after a mistake, and after the time and money spent to get a decent feedback from a cherry board ?

May I enjoy my keyboard w/o having to hear a bunch of pointless comments like your last one ?

May I share my knowledge and/or my preferences, as I did in the last 15 years, or I have to spend 1500$ in stone age keyboards before starting to post ?

Really you should learn that if you want the respect for your position you shout start to respect the position of other people.

And you should start to understand when you are too close to the border that divides jokes from stupid/boring sentences.

Do you like Decks or Filcos? It's ok for me.

I never criticized your choices, I've never opened pointless threads, even if I think that a 160 euro basic keyboard that hardly manages to have better legends than a 2.5$ one is not a smart buy.
I've never opened pointless threads about Deck legends, even if I consider it incredibly overpriced, poor featured, and ugly looking.
I've never opened pointless threads about Topres, even if I consider incredibly stupid to spend 280$ for a rubber dome keyboard.

Is too much for you to give the same respect you had ?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 10 May 2011, 20:11:59
Quote from: The Solutor;344636
Is too much for you to give the same respect you had ?


Maybe it's my foreign accent. Something got lost in translation.

I didn't mean any disrespect. In the contrary, my last post was an ode tinted with humor to your XArmor passion.

For $135 I expect more than what the XArmor has to offer. The weakest link being the stabilizer system which is the single most important reason it fails (IMHO).

Ripster is right, if it wasn't for us two relentlessly replying to each other. The XArmor would be dead and forgotten in a blink of an eye. We are making XArmor history…

You should be proud and thank me for giving you so many opportunities to promote the brand you like so much.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Xibal on Tue, 10 May 2011, 20:14:11
That's the issue isn't it on these forums, you have such chauvinistic egoists proclaiming X Brand keyboard is the word of God and any other brand other than X is considered blasphemy. This is the sole reason I don't recommend mechanical keyboards to my other friends, to save them the trouble of such arrogance in these threads. I now regret buying a mech keyboard, not becuase of the keyboard itself, by the community behind it, with the excpetion of the The Solutor, seems his the only one posting respectful comments while ripster and Bucklingsping just wishes to enforce their ideals.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 10 May 2011, 20:17:27
Quote from: Xibal;344676
That's the issue isn't it on these forums, you have such chauvinistic egoists proclaiming X Brand keyboard is the word of God and any other brand other than X is considered blasphemy. This is the sole reason I don't recommend mechanical keyboards to my other friends, to save them the trouble of such arrogance in these threads. I now regret buying a mech keyboard, not becuase of the keyboard itself, by the community behind it, with the excpetion of the The Solutor, seems his the only one posting respectful comments while ripster and Bucklingsping just wishes to enforce their ideals.

 
I forgot owning a mech keyboard entitles you to a mandatory geekhack membership. What do I get for a topre board?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 10 May 2011, 20:35:23
Quote from: Xibal;344676
The Solutor, seems his the only one posting respectful comments while ripster and Bucklingsping just wishes to enforce their ideals.

 Ouch... Due to popular demand, I resign.
(http://www.fordlibrarymuseum.gov/museum/exhibits/watergate_files/images/document_image_5_1_1.jpg)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 30 May 2011, 10:13:37
It's nice to see how a childish user like you can turn a thread about how usb 1 MB aret keep up with the specs in to another Xarmor related post.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 30 May 2011, 10:27:56
Quote from: The Solutor;353138
It's nice to see how a childish user like you can turn a thread about how usb 1 MB aret keep up with the specs in to another Xarmor related post.


I just want to make sure I'm not Urban Legendized. What's wrong with the XArmor USB ports?
Did the kid fried the USB controller by plugging a custom made USB cigarette lighter in it?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: sndstrm on Mon, 30 May 2011, 11:26:08
:pop2:

Quote from: Xibal;344676
This is the sole reason I don't recommend mechanical keyboards to my other friends, to save them the trouble of such arrogance in these threads. I now regret buying a mech keyboard, not becuase of the keyboard itself, by the community behind it, ...

Some serious keyboard drama going on here.  Who knew there was such a thing.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 30 May 2011, 11:57:41
Quote from: ripster;353173
"You are only young once, but you can stay immature idefinitely."

 
You are the living evidence of the correctness of this sentence.:smokin:
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 30 May 2011, 12:16:26
Quote from: sndstrm;353172
Some serious keyboard drama going on here.  Who knew there was such a thing.

 Put a Lover and a bunch of haters in the same room and guess what you get...
You don't need to be Oprah or Springer to figure that one out. :-)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 30 May 2011, 12:24:30
anyone else here thinks Xarmor sucks?

and yellow keys are gross?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 30 May 2011, 12:42:33
more like yellow leds
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 30 May 2011, 13:02:33
its hard to be good
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Mitchellderp on Mon, 30 May 2011, 13:45:41
Oh Ripster... you dirty american.

Thank god I didn't buy an Xarmour then.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 30 May 2011, 14:24:31
Quote from: noodles256;353205
anyone else here thinks Xarmor sucks?

 
Xarmor is the best backlit keyboard out there at least until 3/06 when the sister Qpad one will be out with the correct enter key.


Quote
and yellow keys are gross?


Yellow things usually works better, its a my completely unscientific rule always confirmed by practice in the last 20 years.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 30 May 2011, 14:27:43
Quote from: Mitchellderp;353256
Oh Ripster... you dirty american.

 

don't wonder about the opinion about Americans outside the US borders, then...

Lot of brainy people in the US, but the dumb ones are just noisier.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 30 May 2011, 14:31:39
i had an xarmor, and it broke before i received it
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 30 May 2011, 14:44:31
Quote from: ripster;353290
You jelly because we took out Osama while your prime minister is relegated to looking for a Home For Gaddaffi?

 
You are jelly just because my keyboards glows while yours becomes unreadable even in the sun light after three months :wave:

P.S. i got yesterday a BL82 it arrived with three  faulty switches, and backlit not working, that's what I call build quality, at least I got a partial refund.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 30 May 2011, 14:55:59
Quote from: ripster;353308
But you probably bought used off of Ebay, correct?

 
Correct, obviously.

You noticed I haven't opened a zillions of threads about the TG3 poor quality ?

I just get a refund, as a replacement vast not a viable option due to the shipment cost, and I repaired it.

After all this site should be called geeckhack and not lazypussies for a reason...
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 30 May 2011, 14:58:24
I think overlit keyboards are due a comeback any day now,

(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg230/LEDninja/Flashlights/Earth%20Hour%20Lights/desk-lamp-computer.jpg)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: keyboardlover on Mon, 30 May 2011, 15:00:55
lazypussies is actually kinda catchy...have to check register.com if that's available...
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 30 May 2011, 15:03:44
Quote from: ch_123;353311
I think overlit keyboards are due a comeback any day now,



I did it also.
 
http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/974325-poormans-baclit-black-widow.html
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Mon, 30 May 2011, 15:07:30
Quote from: ripster;353313

The kind of even lighting only PhotoShop can bring.

 
That's pretty obvious.

This is actually a photo of a turned off keyboard, colorized in postproduction.

You will see that this shade of gerren hardly can be obtained from a real LED.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 30 May 2011, 15:40:47
Quote from: The Solutor;353284
Xarmor is the best backlit keyboard out there at least until 3/06 when the sister Qpad one will be out with the correct enter key.


There is something missing - Best ... According to your standards.

We don't want to start Urban Legends don't we?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Mon, 30 May 2011, 15:49:35
Quote from: ripster;353202
Oprah>Jerry Springer

That contest was won LONG ago.

Usually it's the Germans that are surly to me.


Which team won the contest?
Is it XArmor Sucks or XArmor Best Backlit?

I'm not that black and white, but if you force me to choose, I vote for Sucks.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 31 May 2011, 09:39:37
Quote from: BucklingSpring;353329
Which team won the contest?
Is it XArmor Sucks or XArmor Best Backlit?

I'm not that black and white, but if you force me to choose, I vote for Sucks.

 
My XArmor sucks best of all backlits. No teeth and plenty of lips.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: redpill on Tue, 31 May 2011, 09:56:30
If they could just figure out how to do blacklight LEDs, then make keycaps made of mildly radioactive vaseline glass, we'd really have something nifty.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 31 May 2011, 11:53:46
Quote from: ripster;353647
I'd buy the new Ducky Backlit first.

That's how bad the Xarmor is.


Are you in touch with Mionix? Any chance you get a Zibal 60 early?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Tue, 31 May 2011, 12:01:19
Quote from: ripster;353690
Nah, I prefer not to be biased.  The Ducky guys for instance offered to send me a keyboard to review but the Ducky lulz opportunity was too good to pass up.

When will you get the Backlit Ducky?

Do they use yellow leds?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 31 May 2011, 12:51:09
Quote from: BucklingSpring;353684
Any chance you get a Zibal 60 early?

 
Buy a TT G1 and make it backlit yourself
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 31 May 2011, 12:57:18
Quote from: ripster;353690
Nah, I prefer not to be biased.

 

Hahahahhahhahha

:pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 02 June 2011, 12:34:14
Quote from: ripster;354700
Hmm...

Wobbly stabilizers.

 
Exactly!!!!!!!!!! Combined with uber thin plastic stem under the keycaps, this is the perfect combo for early failure.

Thanks for sharing. This video really shows the beast for what it is.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 02 June 2011, 17:32:20
Quote
Combined with uber thin plastic stem under the keycaps


You are really hopeless.

The keycaps are molded EXACTLY as the majority of cherry keyboards, filco included.

What changes is the plastic, for an obvious reason.


ABS has the bad habit of not being transparent, so unlees you want an otaku backlit keyboard (I'm sure you could buy one of it, if overpriced enough :doh:) you have to deal with a different plastic
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 02 June 2011, 17:37:38
Quote from: ripster;354844
I wonder if these wobbly stabilizer issue is more of a key molding issue?  The Razer/Xarmor stabilizer doesn't look that bad in this pic.
(Attachment) 18840[/ATTACH]

 

Xarmor has no wobbly stabilizers, is the BW that has them.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 02 June 2011, 17:49:21
Quote from: ripster;354850
but are you on another planet?

 

Sorry but I consider a real keyboard that I use everyday a better evidence than a stupid youtube video.

So yes, I'm living in a different planet than yours.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 02 June 2011, 18:17:47
Quote from: The Solutor;354854
Sorry but I consider a real keyboard that I use everyday a better evidence than a stupid youtube video.

So yes, I'm living in a different planet than yours.


You are a really annoying Martian...

Please explain why Filco keycaps are not as wobbly as the XArmor's or the TVS Gold's?

Why so few people complaining about breaking stems on Filcos or DAS or Deck?

Do a quick search and compare the XArmor stems with Deck's and you will understand why.

Polycarbonate can be clear or translucent too, but don't expect that on a XArmor. Based on the rest of the design, they clearly have no intention to use quality material.

I'm done with you and your non sense. I'm not going to waste any more switch cycles.

You think the XArmor is great keyboard for obscure reasons. Good for you Marvin.
(http://8.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/41/92/febd813f7a2d3573780a8a7228785d04.jpg)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 02 June 2011, 18:21:16
Quote from: ripster;354855
It could be photoshop.


First of all the keyboard shown in the video is a preproduction model as you can clearly see w/o any need of photoshop.

Looks like the "greatest keyboard expert in the world" knows any detail of any keyboard, even the pointless ones, but "strangely" omit any information about Xarmor, unless that details are usable to bashing it.

What a coincidence....
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: keyboardlover on Thu, 02 June 2011, 18:25:46
You guys are like the new rigs and KL.

Rigs got well over 1k posts here, now he's disappeared. Like a kid whose run out of breath after a longgggggg tantrum.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 02 June 2011, 18:28:53
Quote from: ripster;354855
It could be photoshop.

Oh wait, photoshop doesn't handle video well.


I had my doubts at first. I was wondering if it was total delusion or misleading propaganda.
Now I'm convinced he works for XArmor and gets 50$ each time he post something good about the brand.

He walks like a Martian and talks like Defendor
(http://collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Movies/D/Defendor/defendor_movie_poster.jpg)

SolutOR, XArmOR, DefendOR... I see a pattern

Defendor was more likeable. Pure fun movie.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 02 June 2011, 18:38:34
Quote from: BucklingSpring;354880


Polycarbonate can be clear or translucent too, but don't expect that on a XArmor.


So, genius, tellme what keyboard uses PC.

No one use it because PC is damn costly, is hard to paint/coat, absorbs moisture and so on.

You should learn that when one starts pushing a wrong postulate, every sentence added to get out of mud, will decrease the reputation of that person.


So why not come back just when you have something of intelligent to write ?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Bry on Tue, 07 June 2011, 12:28:36
Sorry to interrupt but, I ordered an xArmor with brown switches about 2 days ago on amazon and all of this talk about the dotted spacebars has got me worried. Are these earlier versions that have been failing recently, keyboards that were purchased a long time ago? I guess my concern is, what are the chances that I end up with a dotted spacebar if I just ordered it within the last few days? I guess there isn't much I can do at this point but wait for it to be delivered and see, but my curiosity gets the best of me sometimes.
Any confirmed cases of anyone receiving dotted versions through very recent orders?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Tue, 07 June 2011, 12:46:41
i just threw up on my board
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Tue, 07 June 2011, 13:07:05
Quote from: Bry;356820
Sorry to interrupt but, I ordered an xArmor with brown switches about 2 days ago on amazon and all of this talk about the dotted spacebars has got me worried. Are these earlier versions that have been failing recently, keyboards that were purchased a long time ago? I guess my concern is, what are the chances that I end up with a dotted spacebar if I just ordered it within the last few days? I guess there isn't much I can do at this point but wait for it to be delivered and see, but my curiosity gets the best of me sometimes.
Any confirmed cases of anyone receiving dotted versions through very recent orders?

 

I think only blues ones are lying around in dotted version.

BDW I purposely ordered a brown just to have a recent version and  was two months ago.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Bry on Tue, 07 June 2011, 13:56:50
Thanks for the replies. Hopefully you are right about the blues/browns. I'll post back here with my results when it's delivered in case anyone has similar concerns.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 15 September 2011, 14:09:07
Quote from: ripster;416706
Bump.

There goes another dead LED at OCN. (http://www.overclock.net/keyboards/1116101-xarmor-u9bl-s-dead-backlight.html)

Duckys not so Suckys.  Xarmor Xcompany.


Yeah, we have THREE known led failed over the whole production, we should count how many stuck, pinging, ringing, failed switches we had on filco boards in the same timeframe ?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: LostArk on Fri, 16 September 2011, 01:38:15
I posted earlier today trying to decide once an for all between reds & browns, and ended up deciding to go with browns. Not being happy with my Xarmor's quality, I proceeded to order a Filco Ninja Tenkeyless. The Xarmor Gods were not pleased, as immediately afterwards the spacebar on my Xarmor broke clean off.

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26747&d=1316154957)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Fri, 16 September 2011, 09:52:31
Quote from: LostArk;417024
The Xarmor Gods were not pleased, as immediately afterwards the spacebar on my Xarmor broke clean off.

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26747&d=1316154957)


The spacebar on the Xarmor is smooth and not rattling or squeaking like the filcos ones, this is due to the different materials used.

The ones on the xarmor needs a bit of care and experience, the filcos ones can be dismantled even by an orangutan.

Quote
I proceeded to order a Filco Ninja Tenkeyless.


I hope you will be happy whit this downgrade.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: LostArk on Fri, 16 September 2011, 15:40:58
When I orignally got the keyboard I had to stop using my left thumb to actuate the spacebar, since it would also jam and/or trigger the alt key half the time; so I guess after wearing one side of the spacebar unevenly, the cheap plastic clip attaching the key to the stabilizer broke. What a piece of junk!

[video=youtube;FJEAag1pRnY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJEAag1pRnY[/video]

Oh, also, the rubber feet fell off the keyboard after a week, and I had to use sticky tack to attach it to my desk.

:wacko:
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 29 September 2011, 11:05:10
Quote from: ripster;423395


That always is a good marketing strategy.


At least for the elementary American brains  :becky:
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Thu, 29 September 2011, 11:11:11
Quote from: The Solutor;423410
At least for the elementary American brains  :becky:

 
glad to see your back. how was snookie?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 29 September 2011, 11:40:08
Quote from: ripster;423419
I should report you for using that stupid smiley face all the time.


This isn't correct I use it only replying to you.

Quote
So, since you are practically a Xarmor rep what do you think it will be relaunched as?



That's incorrect too, you are a Filco rep, I'm just an happy user.

So ask yourself when Filco will be out of the middle age...
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 29 September 2011, 12:06:43
Quote from: ripster;423438

How are things at Deskthority.net?  Say hi to Webwit for me.


Don't worry I'm not spending my time @DT, I have serious things to do right now...
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: duncan on Thu, 29 September 2011, 12:54:12
Quote from: The Solutor;423446
I have serious things to do right now

Don't let us keep you from those serious things.
We'll get along, somehow.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 29 September 2011, 13:01:26
Quote from: duncan;423473
Don't let us keep you from those serious things.


Seriously I'm able to decide how to spend my time, w/o your help.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Thu, 29 September 2011, 13:02:52
Quote from: The Solutor;423478
Seriously I'm able to decide how to spend my time, w/o your help.

snookie want smush smush
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Thu, 29 September 2011, 13:09:35
Quote from: noodles256;423479
snookie want smush smush


You are still the only person I ever seen that mentioned that girl, and you do it every two messages here, so I assume she's your ideal girlfriend.

Try to send her an email...maybe the interest is reciprocal.

Maybe she don't care about your poor writing skill...
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Clickey on Thu, 29 September 2011, 14:52:14
Wow is this thread 16 pages of trolling and counter trolling? I only saw the first and last page and it seems like page 16 continues where 1 left off.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: redpill on Thu, 29 September 2011, 15:18:15
Quote from: Clickey;423577
Wow is this thread 16 pages of trolling and counter trolling?

Yes.  It was dead, but someone who supposedly is confined to a subforum decided to come in and necro it.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: insilica on Thu, 29 September 2011, 15:35:21
Quote from: redpill;423599
Yes.  It was dead, but someone who supposedly is confined to a subforum decided to come in and necro it.


"necro it"

This place just keeps getting better and better :: seriously redpill you really made my day, I was really feeling down :)
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: noodles256 on Thu, 29 September 2011, 15:43:51
Quote from: The Solutor;423486
You are still the only person I ever seen that mentioned that girl, and you do it every two messages here, so I assume she's your ideal girlfriend.

Try to send her an email...maybe the interest is reciprocal.

Maybe she don't care about your poor writing skill...

sorry, im not italian. i'll never understand the attraction of italians and snookies
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: BucklingSpring on Thu, 29 September 2011, 21:20:04
Quote from: Clickey;423577
Wow is this thread 16 pages of trolling and counter trolling? I only saw the first and last page and it seems like page 16 continues where 1 left off.


ROFL - QOTD

I was out for couples of months. It feels conforting to see that nothing has changed.
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: Clickey on Thu, 29 September 2011, 21:26:10
Quote from: noodles256;423628
sorry, im not italian. I'll never understand the attraction of italians and snookies


haha
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Sun, 11 March 2012, 19:07:36
After one year, my Xarmor is still perfect, and you are still a 3 year old child.

Business as usual. isn't it ?
Title: Yet Another Xarmor Bites The Dust
Post by: The Solutor on Sun, 11 March 2012, 19:27:44
I'm pretty good at math.

My Xarmor is getting older, while your age is still the same, at least the mental one.  :becky::becky: <--[sorry I forgot the smiley you love so much, in the previous message, so I doubled it here]