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Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 21 May 2011, 13:47:15

LoL, Do you have independent documented evidences to support this?

Not that I don't believe you, it is just that I'd rather quote someone else to enforce your credibility next time I talk to EK.

Something like "After 20 years in a row, Ripster is still the undefeated number one keyboard expert in world – Time Magazine, 2011". Would be perfect.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: bionicroach on Sat, 21 May 2011, 13:56:13

If he hasn't fixed the home page picture of a Filco 104 labeled "Realforce", I somehow doubt the force graph is on the short list.

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/271/snap07.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/snap07.png/)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 21 May 2011, 13:57:17

Quote from: ripster;349516

Open Notepad up.  If you press the Blue Switch down slowly and then back up slowly you will understand what I mean.  Slowly.

I know exactly what you mean. He's wrong, that's a given.
It's the "number one expert in the world" that I'm talking about.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 21 May 2011, 13:59:10

Quote from: bionicroach;349521

If he hasn't fixed the home page picture of a Filco 104 labeled "Realforce", I somehow doubt the force graph is on the short list.

Show Image

(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/271/snap07.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/snap07.png/)

 
Good catch, let's look at Topre graphs just for fun.

Ripster, you ultimate master of the Graphs, show your science :-)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 21 May 2011, 14:00:38

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10478&stc=1&d=1275356653)

Hmmm... Doesn't look like Topre either.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: bionicroach on Sat, 21 May 2011, 14:11:15

The curve on Ripster's graph looks similar to the one over on the Realforce page at Leopold.co.jp (http://leopold.co.jp/en/product/force104/).

And I agree that I do feel less of a "depressing force" when I am completing mundane work assignments on a Topre as compared to when I'm using a typical company-issued rubber dome.

(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/2999/snap08.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/snap08.png/)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 21 May 2011, 14:54:02

Quote from: ripster;349529

#1 Expert thing has been well document in 34,406 (whoops, now 34,407) posts.

I guess 35 000 of self proclamed posts must worth at least one or two front cover of the Wired or Time Magazine.

Pretty nice/accurate device for your measures btw...

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 21 May 2011, 14:58:18

Quote from: bionicroach;349533

The curve on Ripster's graph looks similar to ***the one over on the Realforce page

Of course, Ripster did use reliable science and technology to produce it.
(Put that trackball hickup aside, he's pretty good at what he does)

I think the OP is about what EK advertise regarding the MX Blue switches.
Which seams to be off (Assuming all MX Blue are equal...)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: bionicroach on Sat, 21 May 2011, 18:56:36

Oh, I agree.  Your graph is superior.  My point was more that the shape of the curve provided by two different sources looked roughly the same, which seems like a good thing.

That said, your graph would be funnier if it had supporting text that talked about "depressing force" and "deep stroke feeling".

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: scribble on Fri, 03 June 2011, 17:07:04

ripster what the **** do you do for a living?

e:
no disrespect is meant, i just can't believe you have something like that lying around the house, or have the understanding of how to use **** like that. mechanical engineer? (and how old are you)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: redpill on Fri, 03 June 2011, 17:15:23

Might as well throw in SS# while you're at it too.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: RiGS on Fri, 03 June 2011, 17:21:26

Quote from: scribble;355328

ripster what the **** do you do for a living?

e:
no disrespect is meant, i just can't believe you have something like that lying around the house, or have the understanding of how to use **** like that. mechanical engineer? (and how old are you)

LOL, do not expect a useful answer.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 03 June 2011, 17:42:16

Quote from: BucklingSpring;349515

LoL, Do you have independent documented evidences to support this?

Not that I don't believe you, it is just that I'd rather quote someone else to enforce your credibility next time I talk to EK.

Something like "After 20 years in a row, Ripster is still the undefeated number one keyboard expert in world – Time Magazine, 2011". Would be perfect.

 
Or you could just tell the guy to RTFM. (http://www.cherrycorp.com/english/switches/pdf/mx_cat.pdf)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: Wibox on Fri, 03 June 2011, 18:10:57

Quote from: scribble;355328

ripster what the **** do you do for a living?

e:
no disrespect is meant, i just can't believe you have something like that lying around the house, or have the understanding of how to use **** like that. mechanical engineer? (and how old are you)

I don't care to know how old he is, but I'm curious what he does too. I have a feeling he works from home since he can construct new lego poses to take pictures of at any time of the day, and I once read him state that traditional jobs are overrated. Or maybe it was just that having a job is overrated. Curious!

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: audioave10 on Fri, 03 June 2011, 18:19:29

In my younger days, I was a precision machinist for 14 years. The work that Ripster does isn't suprising to me. Having said that, however, his dedication for the education of the masses when it comes to keyboards is impressive. It helps that he also seems to be a salesman and a camera buff.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: Wibox on Fri, 03 June 2011, 18:25:09

Quote from: audioave10;355344

In my younger days, I was a precision machinist for 14 years. The work that Ripster does isn't suprising to me. Having said that, however, his dedication for the education of the masses when it comes to keyboards is impressive. It helps that he also seems to be a salesman and a camera buff.

The camera buff I get, but where do you get the salesman from?

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: canon.tk on Fri, 03 June 2011, 18:28:18

You gotta pay attention to detail, I know exactly where he's from and I know exactly what he does 'cuz I pay attention to detail

Quote from: scribble;355328

ripster what the **** do you do for a living?

e:
no disrespect is meant, i just can't believe you have something like that lying around the house, or have the understanding of how to use **** like that. mechanical engineer? (and how old are you)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: litster on Fri, 03 June 2011, 18:47:37

Quote from: canon.tk;355348

You gotta pay attention to detail, I know exactly where he's from and I know exactly what he does 'cuz I pay attention to detail

You profiling Ripster? ;)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: Wibox on Fri, 03 June 2011, 18:54:10

Quote from: canon.tk;355348

You gotta pay attention to detail, I know exactly where he's from and I know exactly what he does 'cuz I pay attention to detail

Is he a semi-retired venture capitalist from Woodside, CA, who mostly just runs a blog now?

(Just kidding)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: audioave10 on Fri, 03 June 2011, 20:41:17

Quote from: Wibox;355347

The camera buff I get, but where do you get the salesman from?

He does his research and is convincing...maybe salesman isn't the right description. I can't think of the correct one.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: rodya on Fri, 03 June 2011, 22:26:45

Quote from: audioave10;355379

He does his research and is convincing...maybe salesman isn't the right description. I can't think of the correct one.

 
Skilled at rhetoric (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetoric_(Aristotle)), perhaps?  (in the Ancient Greek art of discourse sense, not in the contemporary douchey political sense)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: woody on Sat, 04 June 2011, 07:19:06

Ripster is the modern Eliza (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA) for keyboard addicts. Just post more and see the AI attitude change.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: audioave10 on Sat, 04 June 2011, 14:32:16

You should appreciate your only fans! Besides, with 35,000 posts...you are No. 1.

(http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/142179.jpg)

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: RickyJ on Sat, 04 June 2011, 23:21:04

Quote from: ripster;355290

Fixed.

Show Image

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15803&stc=1&d=1299360097)

Finally.

 
Looks the same as before?

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: Oqsy on Sun, 05 June 2011, 02:05:45

Veiny boob is veiny...

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 06 June 2011, 00:44:53

I just checked his FAQ now that EK is back online, and he did correct the graph.

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: noodles256 on Mon, 06 June 2011, 01:30:30

the ripster effect 0.o

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 06 June 2011, 23:38:00

12 year olds never did like being told "I told you so!"

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: captain on Wed, 07 March 2012, 15:35:04

Most *people* can't handle the truth, which often includes them being wrong.  People are basically stupid... which makes sense when you realize that the average IQ is 100!  :-O

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 07 March 2012, 15:38:09

Quote from: captain;538154

Most *people* can't handle the truth, which often includes them being wrong.  People are basically stupid... which makes sense when you realize that the average IQ is 100!  :-O

Isnt the IQ test always being adjusted so that the the average will always be 100?

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: hazeluff on Wed, 07 March 2012, 15:40:19

Quote from: thegunner100;538155

Isnt the IQ test always being adjusted so that the the average will always be 100?

That was the joke. Badum-tst

Title: Elitekeyboards Cherry Blue Force Chart STILL Wrong
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 07 March 2012, 15:42:38

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