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Title: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Rafen on Wed, 15 August 2012, 19:08:35
I just received my BlackWidow in the mail today and I started typing on it and noticed that I felt completely different compared to my Leopold w/ blues. I have been using the Leopold for about a year on and off and it feels really good but for someone reason the BlackWidow feels different and is a lot better in my opinion. I was wondering why this is? Both the keyboards have the same switch and are plated mounted. I even did the nickel test on both of them and required the same about of nickels. So why is it one feels better than the other? Also anyone who owns a BlackWidow and a Filco, how do they compare to one another? If the keyboard feels this good, then I can only imagine how the Filcos must feel. I'm hoping this isn't all in my head... :-[
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 15 August 2012, 19:17:30
The existential question is:

What is it - that is not - just "in your head"?

If our subjective feelings were not of supreme importance to each of us, there would only be 2 keyboards in the world:

1. the "best" keyboard - for those who care

2. the cheapest keyboard - for those who don't care
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Rafen on Wed, 15 August 2012, 19:57:54
The blues have a much lighter and more responsive feeling while still remaining a little more quiet than the Leopold. I wonder if the texture of the keys might have something to do with it?
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: 1391401 on Wed, 15 August 2012, 20:02:57
There's any number of variables that can affect this.  Size of keyboard can have your wrists/hands at a different position, thickness, contour, profile, texture of keycap... etc.  There's also those other factors such as "this is different and new therefore must be better" that we all experience initially.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Rafen on Wed, 15 August 2012, 21:10:47
  There's also those other factors such as "this is different and new therefore must be better" that we all experience initially.

That's what I was thinking it must be since Leopold keyboards are make very well. Thanks guys for your help.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: thegunner100 on Wed, 15 August 2012, 21:33:54
Well, Razer claims that they "cherry pick" their switches, but that's just a marketing ploy. The BW will feel different at first because the switches arent broken in yet. MX blues require some  break-in time to loosen up a little.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 15 August 2012, 22:51:23
Well, Razer claims that they "cherry pick" their switches, but that's just a marketing ploy. The BW will feel different at first because the switches arent broken in yet. MX blues require some  break-in time to loosen up a little.

"cherry pick" - very droll :-D
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Rafen on Thu, 16 August 2012, 13:01:03
I will just type on this keyboard for a while longer and try to break it in then I will see if I can still tell the difference between the boards. If the BlackWidow still feels better after a couple of weeks maybe by then I can narrow it down to why it feels better.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Okita on Thu, 16 August 2012, 13:21:52
What compelled you to buy a BW after already owning a leopold w/ blues?
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Glockateer on Thu, 16 August 2012, 13:23:25
I actually agree with you and it seems to be at least partially related to the cheap ass key caps they give you. The blackwidow is the only mx blue board I even like.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Rafen on Fri, 17 August 2012, 17:47:14
I couldn't help the deal got it on dell.com with a discount I had for being a student. The board only cost me $55 including shipping.

@Glockateer - I notice that the keycaps feel a lot better on the BlackWidow. I am actually going to change them and see if that makes a difference of how they feel. The BlackWidow keys have the texture to them where the Leopold has the smooth keys that feel really cheap and I can't stand it.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: nala on Fri, 17 August 2012, 20:43:20
I'd rather feel the keys cheap than having to see that ugly fontface on the Blackwidow.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Rafen on Fri, 17 August 2012, 20:49:59
Frontface? I don't mind how the BlackWidow looks I actually like it next to the look of a Leopold.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: nala on Sat, 18 August 2012, 00:24:37
Font face. It means the font that the BW uses. I personally hate it.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Harlequin on Sat, 18 August 2012, 00:30:46
it's because Black Widow's Cherry MX blue switches are modified. Less activation force.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Gerk on Sun, 19 August 2012, 21:26:04
Font face. It means the font that the BW uses. I personally hate it.

I'm with you on that.  The switches and such felt fine, wasn't a fan of the extra row on the left.  Mine is sitting in pieces at the moment, it became a switch donor.
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: jwaz on Sun, 19 August 2012, 22:00:07
it's because Black Widow's Cherry MX blue switches are modified. Less activation force.

Where'd you hear this?
Title: Re: Black Widow w/blues feels better than Leopold w/blues
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 20 August 2012, 11:43:15
its not modification, just preference selection (they are able to choose the tolerance of each switches requirement)
http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.211324200
Each of the mechanical switches has been sorted prior to manufacture to adhere to a strict design guideline.
the selection (and sorting prior to manufacture) of mechanical switches