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Title: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Sat, 08 September 2012, 15:15:19
The premise

Hi everyone. Some people may remember that I designed and had some hand-made aluminum poker/pure cases built at a metal working shop near me. For those who haven't seen/heard of this, here's a little video to show the end product that was made:


I'd like to do something with that same shop again but this time for a Filco TKL case, but I'd like some help with design decisions.

The concept

The basic idea that I have is to do something similar to litster's design where he had several layers of acrylic stacked together like an ice cream sandwich (I'll have to contact him to make sure he's okay with it, otherwise we can come up with something a bit different). The main difference would be that the top and bottom layers would be aluminum and only the middle piece would be acrylic.

This is neat because it should have the cool metal look and touch on the surface, but also be very affordable, as there isn't any expensive CNC to be done and by using acrylic as the middle piece, you cut down on the material cost of aluminum.

Here's a little picture of what I'm thinking:

(http://i.imgur.com/A14wl.png)

Screws would then connect the three layers together and would recede into the case so the surface remains smooth.

Things to do

Some things I would like some help with: (might add more later)
1. What is the exact space taken by a 1 unit key, and what is the amount of space between keys? Alternatively, if you already know the exact size of each of the key clusters that would be great too. In general, just getting the dimensions of everything right.
2. What special considerations need to be done for the bottom of the PCB? (fins, etc)

Aesthetics

1. I can have the cases anodized at the place near me again as well, though last time they didn't stick to their deadlines very well. I would only do brushing this time, as polished finishes weren't as great. The colors available are red, blue, gold and silver, but there's a minimum quantity that must be met for each color that we use.
2. What type of corners? Perfectly square vs slightly rounded (Filco style) vs very rounded (Leopold style).
3. What thickness of aluminum to use? I was thinking on the thin side, like 1/16". This would keep the cost down and it would still look and feel the same on the surface. More thickness would just be for the "I like it heavy" crowd, but would make things more expensive.

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Anyways, let me know what you think or if you can help. I'm serious about getting these done at an affordable price! While people have done acrylic cases and aluminum cases already, they were always either limited in quantity or too expensive for most people. I would be able to make any amount of these.

Also, unlike the poker cases I had made before, these would be mostly machine made due to the type of work involved, so they should be more 'machine-perfect'.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: litster on Sat, 08 September 2012, 15:27:40
Ha, I found you first!  The answer is NO!

Just kidding :-)  Would love to help. 
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Sat, 08 September 2012, 15:30:20
That would be great, particularly since you must already have accurate dimensions. :D

Even more useful though would be your experience dealing with the troublesome bottom side.

Edit: typo
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Cindori on Sat, 08 September 2012, 16:01:27
fap fap fap

I love this idea. But it's gonna require high build quality and precise measurements to not look crappy, since it's separate pieces.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: DarkShot on Sat, 08 September 2012, 16:26:51
Unfortunately I can't help you with your spacing issue, but a couple questions about the acrylic fill:

First, were you going to be cutting it from single pieces and stacking it up? If not, how were you going to me making it?

Second, what colours were you looking to do?

And here's hoping you can get the assistance you need, it looks promising as the full aluminum keyboard case, while desirable is stupid expensive.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: damorgue on Sat, 08 September 2012, 16:32:24
I have made a couple of designs like this. I don't want to be too discouraging, but I stopped making that type because the thick middle part gets rather expensive if you want it in one piece If you use 4 separate sides, the mating surfaces will show at the edges. If you cut them at 45 degrees, you will still get a joint line at the edges. I wanted rounded corners, but I suppose those joints will not be visible if you make the corners sharp.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Sat, 08 September 2012, 16:36:33
Unfortunately I can't help you with your spacing issue, but a couple questions about the acrylic fill:

First, were you going to be cutting it from single pieces and stacking it up? If not, how were you going to me making it?

Second, what colours were you looking to do?

And here's hoping you can get the assistance you need, it looks promising as the full aluminum keyboard case, while desirable is stupid expensive.

It would indeed be stacked up from single pieces. I'll have to check what thicknesses of acrylic I can get my hands on. I know that the local hardware store near me has some, but the selection is probably not that vast, and they only have clear acrylic. I'll be taking a peek there tomorrow.

If I do start getting these made in large quantities I'll have to find a better supplier for it and then see what thicknesses they have to determine how many layers of acrylic would be needed and what colors are available. Litster managed to get a fine selection of colors, so if I can't find anywhere close to me, I could always order some from wherever he got it in the US.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Sat, 08 September 2012, 16:41:05
I have made a couple of designs like this. I don't want to be too discouraging, but I stopped making that type because the thick middle part gets rather expensive if you want it in one piece If you use 4 separate sides, the mating surfaces will show at the edges. If you cut them at 45 degrees, you will still get a joint line at the edges. I wanted rounded corners, but I suppose those joints will not be visible if you make the corners sharp.

I had thought of that, as it would obviously be much less expensive as you could make many layers from just a few sheets of acrylic. I'll have to see what things cost, I haven't really looked yet. I personally wouldn't be too bothered about being able to see where the pieces mate, particularly since as the user you'd only see and touch the top surface of the keyboard, but I know that everyone here is all hung up on looks. :rolleyes:
Title: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: emptythecache on Sat, 08 September 2012, 17:36:49
I'm in a **** to buy probably two. I think natural aluminum color with mostly/full opaque black acrylic would look really really good. Slightly rounded corners on the sides, but flat as possible across the top would be ideal IMO. Maybe just the top part the corners a tiny bit so the edges aren't sharp.

This probably adds complexity and difficulty quite a bit, but it would be cool of the screws came up through the bottom and seated into the top panel (so you wouldn't see the screws at all with it sitting on your desk)

And yes, every opinion I have in regards to this is based on the cheat.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: damorgue on Sat, 08 September 2012, 17:42:47
The cheat looks very nice, I and I have always wanted pics of how it was made inside and details etc.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Halverson on Sat, 08 September 2012, 18:08:31
Would the design also fit CM storms? Or would it not work to make it accommodate both boards?
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Sat, 08 September 2012, 18:29:25
I think that I heard that CM storms have an extra controller on the bottom? I'm not sure how different they are.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: jcrouse on Sat, 08 September 2012, 18:44:26
If you are planning on 1/16 aluminum for the top and the bottom where will be no place to put the threads for your screws, especially if you don't want to be able to see the screws from the top, meaning the tapped hole can't be a threw hole.

Also, you are saying acrylic to eliminate CNC costs (I think). How do you plan on cutting the area out for the keys?

I'm confused (as usual).

John
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Sat, 08 September 2012, 18:54:12
I was thinking to use acrylic to cut out the cost of aluminum, but it may not be much cheaper at all, I'll have to check.

I might be able to go in this Monday and try to get an estimate based on some things that litster has shown me. In his designs, the top is 1/8", so perhaps that would be sufficient to countersink screws.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: jcrouse on Sat, 08 September 2012, 18:58:18
In his designs, the top is 1/8", so perhaps that would be sufficient to countersink screws.

How about where the screws thread into?
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: alaricljs on Sat, 08 September 2012, 19:03:46
Most flat-head screws require a minimum of 1/8" for the countersink... you might want to go a bit thicker to avoid issues with tolerances.

Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Sat, 08 September 2012, 19:12:54
I'm talking with litster and he suggested I make the top layer thicker for other reasons as well. He recommended 1/4" so I'll go ahead and try that when I ask for an estimate and if then, if the estimate is reasonable, when I get a prototype built.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 08 September 2012, 19:20:55
If you are planning on 1/16 aluminum for the top and the bottom where will be no place to put the threads for your screws, especially if you don't want to be able to see the screws from the top, meaning the tapped hole can't be a threw hole.

Also, you are saying acrylic to eliminate CNC costs (I think). How do you plan on cutting the area out for the keys?

I'm confused (as usual).

John

Could use a laser or water cutting

I recently got a quote for a standard TKL sized plate (for plate mounting switches), cut with +/- .002" tolerance, 1/16" material for $25 per plate for one plate (more plates = cheaper). So top plate, with cut outs for all the key caps, I think, would be pretty cheap since it's a much less complex design and doesn't need such tight tolerances.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 08 September 2012, 20:33:51
I think that I heard that CM storms have an extra controller on the bottom? I'm not sure how different they are.
No, The CMstorm controller is in the same location as filco. It's the TT meka G1/WASDkeyboard that has it on the bottom. IT does, however, have a USB-inlet board on the bottom. This could be relocated, though.

The main difference is one of the standoffs is moved to make way for the USB subboard. You can modify your design to accomodate both pretty easily:

The Acrylic "ring" will have to account for the smaller USB cable (And detachable cable at that) This could be as simple as making the hole smaller (and the cable not really removable), or as complicated as getting a mini USB jack mounted in there.

The bottom plate would have to have a second hole for the Cmstorm standoff. You can have two types of plates made, or just add an extra hole and let the users pick where to put the standoff for firco/CMstorm use.

Ofcourse if you're just sandwiching the case in over he keyboard plate, this talk of standoffs becomes moot, and the only change is to put the USB sub board of the CMstorm somewhere (or offer a fixed filco cable). Myself, I don't mind if the cable is fixed: You could just tape the sub board under there somewhere, and have some strain relief on the cable, like a good S-bend in the acrylic where it exits.

I have horrible cellphone pictures documenting the CMstorm that I can report (so you can compare to filco pictures) or I can take more: Whatever you need.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: alaricljs on Sat, 08 September 2012, 20:38:04
The standoff near the A/Z/LShift is moved as well.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 08 September 2012, 20:39:47
Looks cool man.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: SmallFry on Sat, 08 September 2012, 22:24:23
I like this, would be nice if it would be able to support a Leo as well, but just me.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: DarkShot on Sun, 09 September 2012, 00:28:28
Unfortunately I can't help you with your spacing issue, but a couple questions about the acrylic fill:

First, were you going to be cutting it from single pieces and stacking it up? If not, how were you going to me making it?

Second, what colours were you looking to do?

And here's hoping you can get the assistance you need, it looks promising as the full aluminum keyboard case, while desirable is stupid expensive.

It would indeed be stacked up from single pieces. I'll have to check what thicknesses of acrylic I can get my hands on. I know that the local hardware store near me has some, but the selection is probably not that vast, and they only have clear acrylic. I'll be taking a peek there tomorrow.

If I do start getting these made in large quantities I'll have to find a better supplier for it and then see what thicknesses they have to determine how many layers of acrylic would be needed and what colors are available. Litster managed to get a fine selection of colors, so if I can't find anywhere close to me, I could always order some from wherever he got it in the US.

Makes sense.

If it comes down to doing larger volumes, it might be better to see if you can get a manufacturer to use thicker pieces and machine them all out, or see if you could get the walls cut with individual pieces of about 1/8" - 1/4" thickness, with the open faces of the acrylic as the walls and glue the corners together. Less pieces to work with this way, and if you use 1 or two colours max, it'd be both cheaper and more efficient in the long run for either choice.

Just some thought on my behalf.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 09 September 2012, 00:33:31
I would love the idea to make a "generic" metal case that will fit all TKL models (filco, CM quickfire, leopold, etc).
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Sun, 09 September 2012, 01:32:44
I would love the idea to make a "generic" metal case that will fit all TKL models (filco, CM quickfire, leopold, etc).

Well I'd certainly be up for trying, but someone would have to provide me with specific dimensions for the CM and Leopold. At this point I'm just going to start with some price checking to see if its worth doing this and if it is I'll start working on measurements.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Appeac on Sun, 09 September 2012, 01:54:53
I am very interested in seeing where this is going! Acrylic cases are always sexy.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: harrison on Sun, 09 September 2012, 11:43:53
I like the idea of mixed materials alot.  This should go a long way to keeping the machining and material costs down, and customization options far more open for people that want winkey or winkeyless, or opening up the 6 keys between the nav and home clusters.  definitely be keeping my eye on this as it starts to shape up.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Mon, 10 September 2012, 10:13:21
I went to go visit the metal working shop today and showed the idea to the owner. I asked him for an estimate to make the whole thing out of aluminum, and then if that's too much, I'll look into mixing with acrylic more. For people interested in getting this to fit things other than a Filco, if you can supply me with measurements I can see what I can do. I'm sort of curious to see if I can have it work with a Realforce 87U as well. Though not quite the same size, the process would be the same, so it wouldn't be a problem to have two slightly different versions, as they would both count towards the same kind of "group buy" quantities.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: jeroplane on Mon, 10 September 2012, 10:23:48
This sounds like an amazing idea... The aluminium Pokers always look sexy, can't wait to see it done for one that will fit my Filco MJ2 TKL.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: weenis on Thu, 13 September 2012, 12:38:39
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Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: i488 on Fri, 14 September 2012, 02:08:22
I want an aluminum case soo bad!!

if u can make it happen, i will help bring the price down by selling them in the chinese market. (not intending to making a profit)
I have access to all the chinese keyboard geek forums, and I will be gladly to spread your case
the mkc case has caught the eye balls but not many can afford it.
Again, it really depends on  what price you can get, but the price depends on what volume you can get.
Just lemme know when you have the prototype. I will need the pix to get orders.
Hopefully, this can turn into a group buy.

cheers mate
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: dirge on Fri, 14 September 2012, 03:12:44
Mark me down as interested, subscribed to the thread and hope this goes well :)
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 15 September 2012, 17:06:04
Interested as well :D
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: pasph on Sat, 15 September 2012, 17:21:24
Interested
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: DarkShot on Sun, 16 September 2012, 00:12:03
Any update on suppliers and what you're able to get from them mate?
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Tue, 18 September 2012, 14:34:55
Still waiting for the estimate to come back. It's just been a week so far. They didn't specify when they'd get back to me, but I kind of went in with a friendly air since the guy who owns the place is my friend's father, so it wasn't something either of us were really treating as rush rush. I'll be sure to let everyone know once I know something.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: DarkShot on Tue, 18 September 2012, 19:42:01
Fair enough.

Looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: damorgue on Wed, 19 September 2012, 11:49:08
Suggestions for how to make it cheaper in images, especially the last pic. Labeled layers A-D starting  from the bottom. Layer B could be interchangeable and be the only piece that needs to be changed to support more PCBs. It determines the clearance below the PCB. Layer C determines the clearance above the PCB. I think Layer A can have extra holes or even hexagonal holes to fit nuts which would simplify the installation and hide the nut. This is probably the cheapest way to make it, especially if you cut the sides as in the last pic. Everyone should be aware that every feature you add then adds to the cost, removing a layer to remove a line on the side, countersinking the screws on the top plate, making a layer in one piece to avoid the vertical line at the corner etc.


Assembly
(http://i.imgur.com/W6FyE.jpg)

Together
(http://i.imgur.com/ylDW2h.png)

Cut a place for a nut. This is only valid if cut by laser or waterjet. Otherwise it is a cost adding factor.
(http://i.imgur.com/JT0WXh.png)

Split corners= Much less wasted material
(http://i.imgur.com/7cvC5.png)
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: dirge on Wed, 19 September 2012, 12:44:44
Version without winkeys for phantom + 1 :)
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: poopmat on Thu, 27 September 2012, 10:07:07
would something like this work for the quickfire rapid??
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: modulor on Thu, 27 September 2012, 11:36:18
Looking good, damorgue!  How about the center mount screws?

would something like this work for the quickfire rapid??


As long as there is room for the small pcb that attaches the usb to the board, then it should be compatible.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Cindori on Thu, 27 September 2012, 12:48:23
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/224/974/90330f59_justin-timberlake-jizz-in-my-pants-12.jpg)

prototype dat shiet nao brah
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: neeb on Thu, 27 September 2012, 14:57:46
Those ones in the video look awesome man!
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Cindori on Fri, 28 September 2012, 04:53:33
hey this board is kind of like damorgue's drawings?

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&document_srl=5111668
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: balanar on Sat, 29 September 2012, 09:11:59
Can't believe I didn't see this till now. I could attempt to source out the cost for acrylic pieces if you could provide the exact dimensions. I think it can be pretty cheap even with shipping as I can try to pull some strings hehe. No harm asking right?

I like the idea of more than one acrylic piece in the middle as it opens up the opportunity to mix colours. Think red black red sandwiched between some aluminum. Yummy! It is also, as someone else mentioned, alot cheaper than getting it made out of one piece.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: litster on Mon, 01 October 2012, 12:35:19
Suggestions for how to make it cheaper in images, especially the last pic. Labeled layers A-D starting  from the bottom. Layer B could be interchangeable and be the only piece that needs to be changed to support more PCBs. It determines the clearance below the PCB. Layer C determines the clearance above the PCB. I think Layer A can have extra holes or even hexagonal holes to fit nuts which would simplify the installation and hide the nut. This is probably the cheapest way to make it, especially if you cut the sides as in the last pic. Everyone should be aware that every feature you add then adds to the cost, removing a layer to remove a line on the side, countersinking the screws on the top plate, making a layer in one piece to avoid the vertical line at the corner etc.


the problem with this is as you need more thickness to accommodate the controller or connector at the back, the front of the keyboard will also get thicker, making the front of the case too tall.  The very first rev of my acrylic case design was like that, and it really sucked having the front as thick as the back. 

This design works fine for keyboards like KMAC or MX Mini because the keyboard uniformly thin front to back.  Filco and Phantom have USB connector or teensy controller, respectively, on the bottom of the PCB at the back.  Your suggestion to make the case with uniform thickness will make the front too thick to be comfortable to type on.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 01 October 2012, 18:14:05
It was my intention to show that the split corners could make it cheaper since it allows for the parts to stack nicely on a sheet. Not much thought went into the rest of the design.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ttte1.png)
A small space for the controller would be great as to not have to add that height across the entire board, as has been done before in similar designs.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Cindori on Sun, 14 October 2012, 05:07:21
those chinese copycats stole ur designz!

(http://piclair.com/data/qqn2l.jpg)

(http://piclair.com/data/czm5a.jpg)


http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=market&page=4&document_srl=5166219
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: damorgue on Sun, 14 October 2012, 07:39:11
I wouldn't call it stealing at all. It is a pretty obvious way of constructing it, and it has been done many times before. It is the small features that separate them, and I don't see any of mine in that design. Either way, I want it to be copied, that way I won't have to make one and I can get one of theirs instead :P
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Cindori on Sun, 14 October 2012, 07:48:51
I obvously applied some humor in my post. I think it's pretty awesome how those kbdmania guys just build the shiet they want. It's like every household over there has a CNC machine, and electronics engineering is taught in kindergarten.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 14 October 2012, 09:30:31
I don't like the clear acrylic.  Looks kind of crappy.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Salisen on Tue, 30 October 2012, 19:10:50
I've been working on something like that for a while.  Seems I'm treading ground many have walked before. :P

I've stuck a mounting plate in my design though.  Still needs quite a bit of work, namely the addition of a USB cable hole and feet, but nonetheless.

Dimensions for the costar/cherry stabiliser holes and the non-square switch holes from the phantom plates, I can't remember or find where I got them from.  Also using the same modifier row layout as used in the QPAD MX-85.  The key cutouts are in the right places to fit the Phantom PCB, but there's no space for the teensy underneath unfortunately.

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Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 30 October 2012, 19:20:00
It was my intention to show that the split corners could make it cheaper since it allows for the parts to stack nicely on a sheet. Not much thought went into the rest of the design.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Ttte1.png)

A small space for the controller would be great as to not have to add that height across the entire board, as has been done before in similar designs.


Can I get a close up of your corner? I'm looking at designing something similar
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: TheProfosist on Tue, 30 October 2012, 19:23:47
Totally want a case for my phantoms
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: telepete on Sun, 18 November 2012, 16:44:59
Hey any updates on this? Seems like a promising design.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: damorgue on Thu, 22 November 2012, 04:04:08
It was my intention to show that the split corners could make it cheaper since it allows for the parts to stack nicely on a sheet. Not much thought went into the rest of the design.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Ttte1.png)

A small space for the controller would be great as to not have to add that height across the entire board, as has been done before in similar designs.


Can I get a close up of your corner? I'm looking at designing something similar

I just cut it right through. The pieces are held in X and Y via the other screws, so that screw in the corner will only hold the stacked pieces together anyways to avoid any tiny gaps between the plates. Hence, I just cut straight through the screw hole. The best would be if the cut was made so that it is exactly in the corner to notice it the least, and offset the corner scres a bit from the corner.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: AKIMbO on Thu, 22 November 2012, 06:51:34
This is looking pretty awesome...I'd be down for both a Filco and RF case if you made them.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: singaporean123 on Thu, 22 November 2012, 09:03:55
I'll buy it from you. Now.

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Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Shadovved on Thu, 22 November 2012, 09:05:00
Hm, me is interested in a case to  :)) :)) :))

Preferably black-yellow-black :p
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: daerid on Thu, 22 November 2012, 12:05:23
Interested in a RF case for sure
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: mickd on Thu, 22 November 2012, 16:17:43
I'm interested but it's very likely the price will be out of my range (especially with shipping). But I'm definitely keeping my eye on this thread :)
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: nebo on Mon, 26 November 2012, 16:31:35
Interested in this as I am with just about every custom case it seems. :P
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: oneproduct on Fri, 30 November 2012, 19:02:41
I just noticed that people were still posting in this! I finished school and started working full time just recently so not sure if I'll be able to follow up on this for awhile, particularly since it's impossible for me to visit the metalworking shop during the days anymore. Once I get a bit settled into my new job I'll see if I can do something about this.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: telepete on Fri, 30 November 2012, 19:09:18
Congrats on the job.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Salisen on Sun, 09 December 2012, 16:25:38
I should be getting my design made over Christmas (made some alterations since the previous post).  If anyone's interested in the design, feel free to PM me for the solidworks files.  As of tomorrow I should be able to convert to DXF or something (student edition of solidworks won't let me output anything other than solidworks files  :()

Word of warning, this isn't Phantom/Filco compatible as yet (I'm designing my own PCB, with the aim of making my finished case as thin as possible).  I can make the adjustments to make it compatible though.

I need to think about the bottom feet though.  Pretty unsure on how to do that.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 09 December 2012, 16:37:26
Looks good
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: SmallFry on Sun, 09 December 2012, 19:49:35
Pm'd you for those files! Thanks!
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Salisen on Sun, 09 December 2012, 20:24:37
Files have been sent!  Well, a link to them.

I should with any luck have the case built in Jan.  Then I need to get my butt in gear and get some PCBs made up.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Vectivus on Fri, 14 December 2012, 10:40:14
If someone found a way to do a full-size variant on the aluminum for a Filco, I would be all up and down that in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Vintage on Fri, 14 December 2012, 11:19:43
It would be sick if you made this to fit the QFR too!
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:27:55
I bet you're about to have a fair number of people want this with round 2 of phantom PCBs getting started soon.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: korne on Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:36:41
I bet you're about to have a fair number of people want this with round 2 of phantom PCBs getting started soon.

yuuuuuup at least 1 or 2 cases for me ;P
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:40:54
I'll take 2 cases at least
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: nebo on Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:51:30
I bet you're about to have a fair number of people want this with round 2 of phantom PCBs getting started soon.
There's going to be a round 2 for the phantom!? How much trouble would it be to make this case winkeyless? :D I'd imagine with the three part design just a different top?
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 14 December 2012, 12:54:55
I bet you're about to have a fair number of people want this with round 2 of phantom PCBs getting started soon.
There's going to be a round 2 for the phantom!? How much trouble would it be to make this case winkeyless? :D I'd imagine with the three part design just a different top?

Yup, pcb ic just started.
Title: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: graboy on Fri, 14 December 2012, 17:38:09
Totally in on one as long as the price is < $150.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Salisen on Sun, 16 December 2012, 00:18:09
I don't own a Filco or a Phantom myself, so I could really do with the following measurements (as accurately as possible):

Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: 4LI4Z on Sun, 16 December 2012, 09:53:36
I measured my Filco PCB, but I did it with an old measuring tape so maybe it's not 100% precise.
It would be nice if anyone could confirm this.
Without the plastic on the side, just the PCB I got a lenght of 34,5cm and a width of 12,2cm.
Maybe I'll measure the height of the Controller later.
(http://i.imgur.com/QCnSQ.jpg?1)
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Salisen on Sun, 16 December 2012, 11:35:14
Sweet, thanks!  Well, my design has a rectangular hole cut out for fitting the PCB in of 124.21 x 349 mm, so that should be fine (I'm not looking for measurements of that sort of accuracy, it's just I've been working in inches since the standard gap between keys is 0.75 x 0.75 inches).

The gap between the function row and the alphanumeric section is already the same as on the filco/phantom (took the distances from the phantom mounting plate CAD).

Same with the gap between the alphanumeric section and ins, home etc.

Bit worried about those extra holes on the PCB though.  I haven't accounted for those.  I've asked bpiphany for the positions of the holes on the Phantom PCB though.  I guess the best way of making bits on the case to fit into them would be to fit hex bolts into the bottom piece of perspex.
Title: Re: [GH design] Aluminum + Acrylic Filco TKL case
Post by: Salisen on Sun, 16 December 2012, 20:57:31
I've made my own thread, since I was making a mess in this one, sorry oneproduct! 

It's here http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38360.msg741906#new