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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Lethal Squirrel on Fri, 05 October 2012, 20:45:08
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Why
http://www.razerzone.com/store/razer-deathstalker-ultimate
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Is that 100% touch?
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"Chiclet style key caps" nope.
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I don't get why keyboard companies emphasize on visuals on the actual keyboard, all serious gamers and typists don't ever look at their keyboard during gameplay, or typing.....WAIT... LET ME CHECK MY KEYBOARD TO SEE HOW MANY BULLETS I HAVE LEFT.
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B-but... it's got a built in screen man. It's cool. It's badass. loljk
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lol $249 rubber dome........
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You don't look at your case fans either, but everyone puts LEDs can crap like that all over their rigs.
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lol $249 rubber dome........
Just like your topre switches ;)
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LMAO exactly what I was thinking when I read that.
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Just like your topre switches ;)
True, expect for 3 things;
1. The rubber in a topre doesn't wear down after a few months
2. The key doesn't need to be mashed all the way down to actuate, like a rubber dome.
3. Topre switches have tactility, rubber domes do not.
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I know I know, I kid.
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I know I know, I kid.
It's about time you plop down for a topre board ;)
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After I get my Filco maybe :o
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I was just kidding too. I've never tried a topre so I have no right to say such things. I know they're not the same : )
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yeah, I was thinking the same thing about rubber domes not being tactile. I'd say some are more tactile than brown switches.
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(http://kpnv.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/mj_popcorn.gif?w=460)
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Dammit i'll settle this...someone sell me their 55g topre board.
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god damn what is up with the quote system here
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god damn what is up with the quote system here
It's broken for the foreseeable future (ie. until someone sells me a 55g topre board).
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1. Please tell me which rubber domes wear down in a few months? This sounds overblown.
2. Depends on what your talking about, most of the newer rubber domes are only 2mm in distance.
3. So all rubber domes are linear? I'd argue only 55g Topre have tactility.
FIGHT! COME AT ME BRO!
1. Any Logitech RD I have used during heavy gaming, has worn down within at least 3 months.
2. Rubber domes require contact to actuate. Topres actuate by capacitance (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch), and do not actually require touching the PCB.
3. I have yet to see a rubber dome with tactility - wait, I take that back... I have a BTC-5100C that is a rubber dome, and it's built more like a topre. It has a switch housing and plastic actuator above the dome. But other than that, no logitech, MS or other has felt like it had any tactility to me. Also, HHKB's are 45g with a very noticeable tactile bump.
BTC-5100C, a quality rubber dome, which also happens to be compatible with cherry mx keycaps:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img684/3201/dsc0337qd.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img687/3527/dsc0333lz.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img838/3148/dsc0328g.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img607/9369/dsc0335m.jpg)
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Pretty much every rubber dome I've ever typed on has a tactile point where the rubber dome buckles in. that little 'pop' feeling.
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So what's wrong with the quote system? I've never had a problem.
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So what's wrong with the quote system? I've never had a problem.
MMB is having operator errors or something...^-^
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1. Sorry dude - never happened to me. Even if it were true, you could buy several cartons of keyboards for the same price as a MK.
2. Yes, a prerequisite for rubber dome keyboards is to have fingers. You press the keys and characters appear on the screen. Magic!
3. There are more choices than those! Bzzt. Try again!
That's great that you would like to go through several keyboards, I prefer not to. And usage varies greatly depending on what you do.
You seem to be out to flame/troll. Enjoy yourself.
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So what's wrong with the quote system? I've never had a problem.
I dunno, I was trying to quote reply with 3 inner quotes, and **** got ugly.
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dante's already been through that many mechanicals, but I don't think he's owned any of them long enough to wear a RD out.
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This doesn't look totally normal to you? :))
True, expect for 3 things;
1. The rubber in a topre doesn't wear down after a few months
2. The key doesn't need to be mashed all the way down to actuate, like a rubber dome.
3. Topre switches have tactility, rubber domes do not.
dante's already been through that many mechanicals, but I don't think he's owned any of them long enough to wear a RD out.
So what's wrong with the quote system? I've never had a problem.
I dunno, I was trying to quote reply with 3 inner quotes, and **** got ugly.
1. Please tell me which rubber domes wear down in a few months? This sounds overblown.
2. Depends on what your talking about, most of the newer rubber domes are only 2mm in distance.
3. So all rubber domes are linear? I'd argue only 55g Topre have tactility.
FIGHT! COME AT ME BRO!
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This doesn't look totally normal to you? :))
Not even gonna try going there... lol
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That's great that you would like to go through several keyboards, I prefer not to. And usage varies greatly depending on what you do.
You seem to be out to flame/troll. Enjoy yourself.
Not flaming, just up for a bit of healthy debate.
For example you seem to have a problem with having to press the key all the way down. Yet their are dozens of videos on Youtube of people clacking away (bottoming out) and they seem to love it. So what's the problem?
Apparently you aren't up to the 'healthy' part by being condescending, but that's cool.
I do have a problem with pressing a key all the way down, which is why I don't like linear switches. I don't bottom out on tactile switches. I just type faster that way with less errors.
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You don't have to press the key all the way down with linear switches : /
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Well, he did say he had a problem ;)
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You don't have to press the key all the way down with linear switches : /
You're right, you don't have to, but there's no tactile feedback to tell you when you have actuated the key. My preference is for tactility.
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Ahh getcha. my bad : )
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I use Cherry MX blacks and do not bottom out on my keyboard. Sure it's linear and doesn't have that tactility, but if you're looking at the screen, you don't really need that tactile feeling, you'll just see the character pop up. The only reason I also use MX Blues, is because I love the way they sound when I bottom them out, but I actually seem to type slower with them overall. Also with this tactile feedback, the keys actually end up bottoming out no matter how light I press on the keys, especially if I am typing relatively fast whereas with the linear keys of the Blacks, I never bottom out when typing fast (except for the spacebar or the backspace or enter). Hell, I feel like I'm barely even touching the keys with MX Blacks.
I also agree with Lethal Squirrel that rubber domes do have that tactile "bump," maybe not as noticeable as say MX Blues ( I dont have a topre so I can't say I know the difference), but there is a little bump feeling. I've been using a Dell rubber dome keyboard at work and I can say that I do feel the bump. Perhaps you press down hard on the keyboard and so in turn do not feel the tactile bump?
but again, to each their own. If one prefers topre over Cherry, then that's their preference.
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lApparently you aren't up to the 'healthy' part by being condescending, but that's cool.
I do have a problem with pressing a key all the way down, which is why I don't like linear switches. I don't bottom out on tactile switches. I just type faster that way with less errors.
I didn't mean to sound condescending - it's just I've never had a problem with the vast majority of rubber domes out there. It sounds like you've run into a lot of stinkers.
To be honest, I've used some great RD's. My Olivetti is actually pretty excellent, from the steel plate to the orange LED's, but One main reason I don't use them is that I don't like to bottom out. I do bottom out my mechanicals sometimes, especially when moving from my unicomp, but I don't like it at all. I imagine that since topres are a RD that you don't have to bottom out, I'd probably like it.
That's it, I'm asking Toronto if they still have that cortronics/devlin keyboard. It's RD over hall-effect.
Also, I get to use a RD at work that was typed on for at least 10 years. It sucks royally. I'm trying to convince the It people to give me the quietkey they keep in the server room that almost never gets used.
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1. Any Logitech RD I have used during heavy gaming, has worn down within at least 3 months.
3. I have yet to see a rubber dome with tactility - wait, I take that back... I have a BTC-5100C that is a rubber dome, and it's built more like a topre. It has a switch housing and plastic actuator above the dome. But other than that, no logitech, MS or other has felt like it had any tactility to me. Also, HHKB's are 45g with a very noticeable tactile bump.
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3. There are more choices than those! Bzzt. Try again!
That BTC board has the same sliders as my Packard Bell 5149 rubberdome – there's very strong evidence that they're from the same manufacturer. That is one exceptionally tactile board.
I can see MagicMeatball's point – there are a lot of rubberdome boards that feel linear because they're just so squishy. The Packard Bell 5149 is the exact opposite – it's more like XM or Acer switches, it's that tactile.
That photo also proves that some rubberdome boards DID use a PCB instead of a membrane. Not mine, as it has ghosting :) (it wasn't until GH that I even found out why I had so many weird problems when playing two-player games using the same keyboard) I felt so sure that I'd seen much newer boards (as in, with Windows keys) with a PCB under the carbon-coated domes, and this confirms that rubberdome over PCB did exist.
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The gaming gimmicks are starting to get quite annoying. No matter what type of peripheral it is, people buy it because of the branding.
It makes me sad :(
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Sigh what you expect.....it's freaking Razer
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I just offered a friend a free mechanical. He refuses to take it because he thinks "looks like you got that from the dollar store"
He then told me he was going to get this very razer keyboard, and told me "You're letting yourself get suckered man"
I tried to explain to him, but he refused to listen and changed the subject right away. It makes me sick to my stomach, and want to scream.
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Challenge him to a match of key-board swords and see which board still works when you're done. :D
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its ok...noobs will be noobs
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Challenge him to a match of key-board swords and see which board still works when you're done. :D
And use a Model M as yours (Might break the casing of the model F, but it'll still work due to the metal plate and everything.)
Tell him to get that madcatz keyboard, 'cause it's more expensive and awesome.
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Sorry for posting to an old thread, but.. something on the ad page got my attention:
THE STEELSERIES KEY
The special SteelSeries key on the right hand side of the key lard allows you to access special functions like disabling the Windows key.
What the L is Key Lard ?
The grease used to lubricate stabilizers??? :))
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Reassuring when keyboard manufacturers cannot type — maybe we should avoid their merchandise?
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US$249.99
Out Of Stock
Ships in 4-6 weeks
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I just offered a friend a free mechanical. He refuses to take it because he thinks "looks like you got that from the dollar store"
He then told me he was going to get this very razer keyboard, and told me "You're letting yourself get suckered man"
I tried to explain to him, but he refused to listen and changed the subject right away. It makes me sick to my stomach, and want to scream.
Some people are just not ready for "The Sermon on the Board" as i like to call it. And some people do not understand how to prioritize technology. It is just fact. I think old cherry boards and model m's are sexy because i see the switches not the sun stained plastic. Those are my eyes. I gave up long ago trying to change how people see things. I probably gave up right around the time I graduated from my university with a religion degree as an atheist.
We have to let go. We have been enlightened about the board. Not everyone can see, and some people just dont care because they are plain numb. They literally cannot feel the difference either because they are dumb or their sense of touch sucks.
Anywho, my favorite part of this thread is that it was started to discuss a cheap optimus ripoff and ends up about how Topre is awesome/rubber dome. Great stuff. My HHKB Lite 2 isnt Topre so I cant add my opinion other than "Cherry MX Blue rules and Rubber Dome is for suckas!"
Wu-Tang!
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Everybody has something different that "rings their bell"
I am very passionate about avante-garde and psychedelic jazz and rock music of the 1960s-70s, and the contemporary music that my daughter listens to means little or nothing to me.
My wife thinks that the latest Apple keyboard with flat keys and scissor switches is the best keyboard in the world.
Not to say that any individual is entirely correct. Look at my signature ....
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My wife thinks that the latest Apple keyboard with flat keys and scissor switches is the best keyboard in the world.
oh god. my fiance loves everything apple too. but i think we can all agree that apple hasnt made a good keyboard for more than a decade. surely you can admit that here on GeekHack right? i will say it: "my women is wrong about apple keyboards". HA! i said it.
Apple is a funny company. For a company so obsessed with design and quality you would think they would lead the way in keyboard ergonomics and switch utilization. But no, they make some of the worst keyboards on the market. Oh man my old lady had an imac board that was the worst keyboard ever made. just thinking about that 2002-2003 imac keyboard makes me want to punch a baby panda. and i love pandas. Apple really missed the ball here. Their keyboards are all about how they look, not about how they work.
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Man anything Razer does is pure and utter garbage anymore, this is just another great example (I bet the board is also extremely prone to malfunctioning too). As another example, I cannot play xbox games with a regular xbox controller, and the only company to have an xbox controller modified so that I not only can lower the resistance on the sticks, but also remap the left-stick-button and the right-stick-button to easier keys (because those sticks are tiring as balls for a disabled person to click) is Razer with their Onza (and now Sabretooth for EIGHTY DOLLARS WHAT THE HELL). I recently received my 4th Onza because my other 3 all broke for varying abysmal build quality issues within 4 or 5 months, and I had to buy each of them other than one because Razer also has GOD AWFUL customer service. Never buying anything from them again, aside from my 5th Onza when this one inevitably breaks because of terrible build quality.
I hear the Onza is not even close to the only thing they are putting out with terrible build quality to maximize profit (*cough* this keyboard *cough*).
p.s. The one controller I didn't have to spend more money on was because I bought my first one from the Razerstore and it came OUT OF THE BOX BROKEN. Imagine being excited to finally play xbox again and the controller is broken before you even touch it!
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Not a fan of any razer products, much less their keyboards. Shoddy quality and terrible aesthetics (imo).
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Razer mice have been great so far. I own 2. The deathadder is the best mouse I have ever used.
their keyboards suck rainbow penii though. what is the plural of penis?
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Holly cow... have you seen the size of this board???
Razer kept it as a secret until now but this keyboard is reversible.
This is what its back looks like
(http://c2.afterschool.com/images/products/p/xot/xot-251_1z.jpg)
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Are you trollin? That can't be real, why would anyone want to flip a keyboard over and play a mini game of pool?