ppl like me who have used windows since 3.1 know that every other windows os is the one to use, so just wait until windows 9.
I seemed to have been noticing a pattern with Windows operating systems: they'll release a ****ty OS, then they'll release a decent one... and it repeats.
The primary example of this beginning with Windows ME (****) then Windows XP (good) then Windows Vista (****) and finally Windows 7 (good).
So, my prediction for Windows 8:
****!!!
The 920 is going to be freaking awesome unless something stupid happens. I want one a lot, but I'm on Verizon, sooooo I get to make do with a htc 8x
Definitely—as the upgrade price is low, and discounted until 1/1/13, it almost seems stupid not to upgrade.
- Will you be getting a copy?
- What do you think of the low price?
There are a number of great new features on the desktop such as the revamped file transfers, native image mounting (vhd/iso), hyper-v built in, vastly improved task manager, boot times are much faster, performance is up, power savings are increased. There's a ton of other improvements "under the hood" as well, which add up to Windows 8 being the best OS Microsoft has built so far.
- What are your opinions on the new features?
Absolutely. Most people won't know that you can effectively disable Metro entirely, and will be confused by the experience. Even on a tablet, the Metro UI is not intuitive at all in the way that iOS and even Android are.
- Will this new OS be a problem for PC users?
I hate the ribbon - the mishmash of icon sizes and button styles result in a visually complex and confusing UI. It also wastes about 3x as much vertical space as a standard toolbar. I basically never use toolbar buttons though, and you can minimize the ribbon, which ends up being smaller than the toolbar it replaces, so I'm not that bothered by it.
- What do you think of the new ribbon feature in place of the Windows Explorer address bar?
Absolutely not. I will be sticking to my iPad for tablet use, as it has a thriving marketplace and a suite of apps that I rely on, which aren't likely to see Metro alternatives soon, if ever. I generally dislike the widescreen format for tablets, as it forces them into horizontal use. 4:3 is much better suited to my habits. (primarily reading in portrait)
- Will you be getting a Windows 8 tablet or Smartphone?
Well I ran into compatibility issues with GFWL titles refusing to launch, and The Walking Dead did not detect my Xbox 360 controller, so it's off to a great start. I'm sure these issues will be ironed out quickly though. Note: I was running the developer preview (final release build) not the old preview build.
- How will the new OS affect your gaming?
I ran into some compatibility issues with a number of programs, but I'm not sure that they will actually be updated unfortunately. I was unable to get DVD playback working with madVR (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=146228) at all (it requires a hack (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=153191) to work in Windows 7) and a number of .iso images I had would give me errors when trying to mount them. (on Windows 7 I use Virtual Clone Drive (http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html) which apparently has issues with Windows 8 )
- Anything else that you think that should be addressed about Windows 8?
microsoft still can't figure out how to render fonts.Choosing to render fonts in a way that actually looks good on a computer display, rather than trying to emulate print is a choice they made, it's not something they "can't figure out".
microsoft still can't figure out how to render fonts.Choosing to render fonts in a way that actually looks good on a computer display, rather than trying to emulate print is a choice they made, it's not something they "can't figure out".
OS X font rendering looks terrible on anything other than a "Retina display" which finally has enough DPI that fonts don't look fuzzy.
whatever dude you just have objectively bad taste. it's a legitimate lifestyle but it is plagued by attraction to ugly things and the willingness to defend them even though there is nothing worth defending. the ONLY people who say OS X' font rendering is fuzzy are people who are used to the skull****ing that is cleartype. more power to you though.Objectively bad taste? It depends on whether you want fonts that are actually rendered with a screen intent, or a print intent. For people that are not graphic designers, sharp font rendering is preferable to OS X's bold, fuzzy print-style font rendering.
also... limited time for cheap upgrade price then what if you miss the window?Then it costs more like a traditional Windows upgrade did. Not sure on the pricing, but they announced it if that is a concern for you.
What do you think of the low price?It's $40 for an upgrade now. Personally I think they should ditch upgrade versions, and only sell "Windows 8" at that price, the same way that Apple only has one version of OS X, and it costs $20 whether it's an upgrade or not.
Is the price different? About time.
How will the new OS affect your gaming?I'm sorry to hear that.
It won't, I will continue to game on consoles.
Anything else that you think that should be addressed about Windows 8?(http://i.imgur.com/pg5az.png)
Have they upgraded bluescreen? It's my favourite windows program. I think they should add the paperclip to it.
I run Linux and rarely play games at all so a console fits my needs fine.What do you think of the low price?It's $40 for an upgrade now. Personally I think they should ditch upgrade versions, and only sell "Windows 8" at that price, the same way that Apple only has one version of OS X, and it costs $20 whether it's an upgrade or not.
Is the price different? About time.How will the new OS affect your gaming?I'm sorry to hear that.
It won't, I will continue to game on consoles.
Anything else that you think that should be addressed about Windows 8?
Have they upgraded bluescreen? It's my favourite windows program. I think they should add the paperclip to it.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pg5az.png)
I seemed to have been noticing a pattern with Windows operating systems: they'll release a ****ty OS, then they'll release a decent one... and it repeats.Did you actually notice that or are you just parroting the same crap that's being said everywhere despite being retroactively shoehorned nonsense?
The primary example of this beginning with Windows ME (****) then Windows XP (good) then Windows Vista (****) and finally Windows 7 (good).
So, my prediction for Windows 8:
****!!!
ppl like me who have used windows since 3.1 know that every other windows os is the one to use, so just wait until windows 9.
I like Windows 8, but we (my boss, an intern, and I) are trying to figure out how to deploy Symantic (crappy enterprise anti-virus) on Windows 8 before we start deploying it all.Is there a reason you don't want to use Microsoft Security Essentials? (you paid for it with your Windows license)
I don't think there is any chance that I will install Windows 8 on any PC that I own, or to buy any "Windows device".
I don't want a feature-limited tablet. I want a fully-fledged PC in a tablet form factor, with battery life like a tablet, something that can replace my netbook in all respects and be more portable. I am more interested in seeing how hackers are doing in installing flavours of Linux onto various tablets that might have been running Android, WindowsRT, iOS (or whatever! it does not matter!!) originally. I have dreamed of having such a device since the mid '90s, but Microsoft is not going in the right direction for me.
Not known to me, we run a VM for all of our virus stuff. I would assume because things can get past MSE. I personally haven't tried too hard (being a student and all) to get a virus at school, but I've never seen one come through even on the computers of which my peers go to the shadiest of sites.I like Windows 8, but we (my boss, an intern, and I) are trying to figure out how to deploy Symantic (crappy enterprise anti-virus) on Windows 8 before we start deploying it all.Is there a reason you don't want to use Microsoft Security Essentials? (you paid for it with your Windows license)
I don't want a feature-limited tablet. I want a fully-fledged PC in a tablet form factor, with battery life like a tablet, something that can replace my netbook in all respects and be more portable. I am more interested in seeing how hackers are doing in installing flavours of Linux onto various tablets that might have been running Android, WindowsRT, iOS (or whatever! it does not matter!!) originally. I have dreamed of having such a device since the mid '90s. Even though Microsoft does not seem like they will deliver it themselves, their presense in the tablet market may drive manufacturers towards constructing more capable hardware that is more like what I have in mind.
Only that people are bastardizing it before they even use it.
I played around with W8. Seems like a step backwards from win7, just like how vista was a step backwards from XP.I think both your comments are wrong in every which way.
They should offer a GUI that meets people needs, not deny people what they are familiar with. Changing it because they think swirly transparent crap will make them more money.
I played around with W8. Seems like a step backwards from win7, just like how vista was a step backwards from XP.
They should offer a GUI that meets people needs, not deny people what they are familiar with. Changing it because they think swirly transparent crap will make them more money.
To be completely fair, they are. It is touch centric, but of course we're going into the age of touch, so it's needed. Even for the non-touch users, it gives realtime information to those who might want it, and a simple, large menu to pick and choose the programs they want to run stuff in. And I'm speaking only for the start menu. You still have the taskbar for desktop mode that you can pin apps on, and there's the desktop itself to launch applications should you want.
Like you'd do to your living room, they've rearranged things with newer furniture and gotten rid of some of the old.
And the QL area isn't the only way to launch apps. Sure it might be the most convenient, butI played around with W8. Seems like a step backwards from win7, just like how vista was a step backwards from XP.
I don't agree with that.
Regarding the living room analogy; Plenty of people like to change for the sake of change, a change is as good as a rest, etc. I don't. I tried it every way in the 1970's and '80's, found out what worked best and stuck with it. Changing won't make it work better unless it's usage changes, then an update can be done.Computers are still intimidating to a large number of people on the planet, and I don't think anyone would argue that interfaces had been perfected and there is no need for change.
With the PC desktop it's the same; the usage has not changed. My 23" 16x9 screen is not touch sensitive. They're making it worse to use, not better.
I preferred the look and feel of GUI's before XP. How may of you remember 'File Manager' and still lament it's passing? I forget now exactly which elements they took away or degraded but I was disappointed with the XP GUI. I avoided Vista and have not liked Win 7.Can you be more specific about what it is that you were disappointed with in XP compared to previous versions of Windows, or what you don't like about 7?
What amazes me is that with 7 billion people in our species that there aren't loads of people writing and offering their own personal ideal GUIs that end users world wide can pick from to suit their own very particular needs.The operating system isn't what's important to people, the software you run on it is. Most people just live inside a web browser or office.
For instance the last three iterations are commonly referred to as XP = good, Vista = bad, 7 = good, which is pure BS. XP had all the same issues that Vista did upon it's release, it bumped performance requirements, had buggy drivers, incompatible software/hardware issues, etc. However because it was so long and two major service packs before the replacement, everyone had forgotten about that by the time Vista rolled round, and were used to running an old operating system on massively overpowered hardware.
EDIT: Another thing that bit vista was, firstly, laptop manufactuerer's like Acer & Dell putting it on a single core Celeron 1.8 machine with 512 mb DDR ram and calling it a day. No modern OS (Even XP) will run properly on those sort of mobile specs, in my opinion.
Only that people are bastardizing it before they even use it.Precisely. When you actually question the most vitriolic anti-Windows 8/Metro people it appears all they've done is seen a few screenshots, noticed it's different from what they're used to and immediately ran to the nearest Internet forum/comments page to spew out their hatred for it.
this is what i envision metro is like to many (i will admit i haven't had time to evaluate it)lol...
this is what i envision metro is like to many (i will admit i haven't had time to evaluate it)
this is what i envision metro is like to many (i will admit i haven't had time to evaluate it)lol...
For the desktop, there's not much reason to upgrade over Win7 other than to say "I have windows 8". On the tablet side, I like Windows RT (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6392/the-windows-rt-review). It's recent reviews on Surface get really great ratings.
For the desktop, there's not much reason to upgrade over Win7 other than to say "I have windows 8". On the tablet side, I like Windows RT (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6392/the-windows-rt-review). It's recent reviews on Surface get really great ratings.
That said, I just used the windows 8 RT surface tablet andWhile the Surface might be nice hardware (though the screen is low resolution, and 4:3 is much better suited for tablet use) I just don't think having a device that is stuck with "Modern UI" apps is worthwhile. I just don't see much potential there, and having Office & IE as the only desktop apps you can run seems like a very strange decision.
daaaaaayum
is it ever nice. THAT is what Win8 is built for. M$ pulled out all the stops. The construction, while somewhat angular, is magnesium. Gives the unit solid construction and a nice weight. Certainly at least on par with the iPad. The cover/keyboard is SURPRISINGLY responsive and solid. It behaves much like a regular keyboard, you can rest your fingers on it, and it seems to be very well thought out and produced.
Of course, windows 8 compliments the touch screen beautifully.
If you seriously believe that windows 8 is "the next vista" or "the next bad ms OS, wait for 9" head to any shop that is demoing the surface tablet and try it out. Very impressive stuff and syncs seamlessly with skydrive, win8 desktops and other cloud-based solutions.
Very, very impressive. Keep an eye out for this. I'm not a "tablet" man, but if I get in the market, I'm looking at a Surface.
For the desktop, there's not much reason to upgrade over Win7 other than to say "I have windows 8".It's quicker, it's a lot more efficient (both in memory usage and power consumption) it takes up less space (I have about 5GB extra space on my SSD now) there are some great new features that haven't had much attention, and there are a number of UI tweaks and other OS improvements that make it a worthwhile upgrade, especially at the discounted price it's selling for right now.
From reading more, it seems that the £25 'upgrade' is not the value it appears. Apparently your older Office does not work with Win 8 so you have to fork out £180 for the 2012 version.What version are you running? I think everything from 2007 onwards works fine in 8?
And to get rid of the, IMO, ridiculous 'Metro' start page as much as possible, you have to purchase third party software, but you still lose the start menu, I personally find that menu useful. I don't want to work around, adjust, get use to a useful part not being there!! Whatever way anyone tries to paint it, that's a down grade.Start8 (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/) is $5 (£3) and basically turns Windows 8 into an enhanced version of Windows 7.
I'm not sure how my XP PC could be faster, it starts in about 60 seconds and shuts down in about 20sec so maybe that could be but its not an issue as the modem takes more than a minute to get going.I boot to the desktop in about 10 seconds with Windows 8 compared to about 45 seconds for Windows 7.
My PC, according to the 'wall wart' Wattmeter uses 45W in normal running with a peak of about 85W.You're only measuring the idle state (unlikely to change) and the peak power consumption. (also unlikely to change) Those kind of power meters are often inaccurate with PCs as well.
People keep say how much faster Win 8 is than Win 7. Was Win 7 slow?It wasn't slow, but 8 is faster. That's never a bad thing.
Not a fan of it, for tablets sure, but for desktop I don't see the point. I think its going to be eventually known as vista 2 sales wise.I'm quite sure Microsoft will be happy selling another 60 million copies of Windows then...
What version are you running? I think everything from 2007 onwards works fine in 8?2003. So that alone would appear to be a sufficient deal breaker.
Start8 (http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/) is $5 (£3)Thanks I'll forward that onto my pal who's planning to upgrade. He's had the trial version for a few months on not his main PC and can't, doesn't want to, deal with Metro.
boot to the desktop in about 10 seconds with Windows 8 compared to about 45 seconds for Windows 7Yes I also do leave it running a bunch of programs where I might not if it came on near instantly with them all immediately usable. 10 sec boot does not mean with everything running though, so I'd still leave it on. I've not tried to use sleep since the '90's when it didn't really work.
Haswell (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture)Thanks for the link and image.
The fuss is that it's not the start menu and is less friendly to the methods we've all become so accustomed to in using the start menu for the last half dozen versions of Windows. WinKey -> Search just became five strokes longer..
The fuss is that it's not the start menu and is less friendly to the methods we've all become so accustomed to in using the start menu for the last half dozen versions of Windows. WinKey -> Search just became five strokes longer..The Start Menu is antiquated crap, though. No-one even uses it anymore (according to personal experience and Microsoft's telemetry). Why would anyone want to go through half a dozen clicks in a cluttered, disorganised menu of fairly small proportions meaning your clicks have to relatively precise and therefore take longer, when you just just hit winkey and type, or just have a large, easy and quick to click tile on your screen instead?
2003. So that alone would appear to be a sufficient deal breaker.Well it is over nine years old at this point, but it's understandable that you wouldn't want to upgrade if you need to upgrade office. (I assume alternatives like LibreOffice (http://www.libreoffice.org/) don't suit your needs)
Yes I also do leave it running a bunch of programs where I might not if it came on near instantly with them all immediately usable. 10 sec boot does not mean with everything running though, so I'd still leave it on. I've not tried to use sleep since the '90's when it didn't really work.Hibernation wakes just as quickly as a cold boot does for me, and I haven't had the issues with it that I get with sleep. It does eat up some hard drive space though. (3/4 of your total RAM which may be an issue if you have an SSD)
These various power saving and performance enhancing features are all good to have and I like to have them. But at what cost. New office. Other stuff that I have that is old and work well on XP that probably won't. Eg, Revosleep that keeps my extra internal HDDs off. I simply can't have them all spinning all the time. I expect there will be others. Maybe I'll upgrade in a couple of years when these things have been fixed by their respective programmers.Again, completely understandable. There's no point in upgrading just for the sake of upgrading, or if it means a lot of unnecessary additional costs. For me, Windows 8 brings a set of useful new features, performance improvements, and power savings. If you're happy with how your system is running on XP, other than security issues, or buying new hardware (you should not use Windows XP if you have an SSD) there's probably no real reason for you to change.
The fuss is that it's not the start menu and is less friendly to the methods we've all become so accustomed to in using the start menu for the last half dozen versions of Windows. WinKey -> Search just became five strokes longer..It's the same in Windows 8 as it is in Windows 7 - hit the windows key and just start typing. The difference is that I find the presentation to be unintuitive on a desktop machine, and they split things off into different categories now. By default it only searches applications, control panels and files are split off into separate categories.
The Start Menu is antiquated crap, though. No-one even uses it anymore (according to personal experience and Microsoft's telemetry). Why would anyone want to go through half a dozen clicks in a cluttered, disorganised menu of fairly small proportions meaning your clicks have to relatively precise and therefore take longer, when you just just hit winkey and type, or just have a large, easy and quick to click tile on your screen instead?Microsoft can claim whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that I use the start menu all the time. I use it as a quick app/file launcher (hit the Windows key and start typing) and I keep infrequently used applications pinned to it. (utilities like WinDirStat, Acronis TrueImage etc.) Frequently used applications get pinned to the taskbar so I can access them with the Windows key and the corresponding number.
The fuss is that it's not the start menu and is less friendly to the methods we've all become so accustomed to in using the start menu for the last half dozen versions of Windows. WinKey -> Search just became five strokes longer..The Start Menu is antiquated crap, though. No-one even uses it anymore (according to personal experience and Microsoft's telemetry). Why would anyone want to go through half a dozen clicks in a cluttered, disorganised menu of fairly small proportions meaning your clicks have to relatively precise and therefore take longer, when you just just hit winkey and type, or just have a large, easy and quick to click tile on your screen instead?
You realise you're on a keyboard enthusiast forum, right? "From memory" is a bit of a stretch as well, remembering the first few letters of the application you want to use is hardly testing anyone memory ability. You're also rather cynically ignored the part of my post where I said you can just click the tile instead.The fuss is that it's not the start menu and is less friendly to the methods we've all become so accustomed to in using the start menu for the last half dozen versions of Windows. WinKey -> Search just became five strokes longer..The Start Menu is antiquated crap, though. No-one even uses it anymore (according to personal experience and Microsoft's telemetry). Why would anyone want to go through half a dozen clicks in a cluttered, disorganised menu of fairly small proportions meaning your clicks have to relatively precise and therefore take longer, when you just just hit winkey and type, or just have a large, easy and quick to click tile on your screen instead?
the whole point of the start menu is that it is for a gui, a graphical user interface, what you are proposing is basically dos, the difference between clicking on what you see vs. typing what you want from memory.
That's a shame for you, but the world moves on and some people get stuck in their ways and left behind.The Start Menu is antiquated crap, though. No-one even uses it anymore (according to personal experience and Microsoft's telemetry). Why would anyone want to go through half a dozen clicks in a cluttered, disorganised menu of fairly small proportions meaning your clicks have to relatively precise and therefore take longer, when you just just hit winkey and type, or just have a large, easy and quick to click tile on your screen instead?Microsoft can claim whatever they want, but it doesn't change the fact that I use the start menu all the time.
That's a shame for you, but the world moves on and some people get stuck in their ways and left behind.Can you elaborate on how I am being "left behind" by not using the Metro start screen?
What I mean is you'll become one of "those people", like how you still get people who refuse to use computers entirely for instance. The traditional desktop in Windows 8 is akin to the MS-DOS mode in Windows 9x - it's a legacy feature that's going to become gradually stripped down further and further in successive incarnations of Windows as applications and people become less reliant on it, until eventually it won't be there at all. So you'll be left either begrudgingly using it whilst complaining like an technologically-illiterate pensioner, or using Windows 7 long after it's become obsolete and barely usable, or perhaps off using some irrelevant Linux distro that nobody cares about. Either way, everyone else will have moved on as I said, happily using touchscreen interfaces and a variety of form factors.That's a shame for you, but the world moves on and some people get stuck in their ways and left behind.Can you elaborate on how I am being "left behind" by not using the Metro start screen?
What I did say is that Windows 7 will eventually become irrelevant, I suppose you could consider this me saying it will become "useless", but only in a practical reality sense as oppose to absolute literal meaning of it having no potential use. e.g. A Ford Model T isn't literally useless, as it can still function, but realistically yes it is.
I can still use a computer running DOS 6.0 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11, and still be able to do much of the stuff I could do on a modern PC.I think you would find that a LOT of what you do nowadays couldn't be achieved by doing that. Hell, most modern websites barely work with anything older than IE7, never mind Netscape Navigator. Most any new off-the-shelf printer, specifically inkjets and lasers (You could get an OkiData 320/420 to work fairly easily in an IBM compatability mode) and never mind finding manufactured ink or toner (again, the ribbons would be readily available) for those units lol.
I keep an old DOS/9x box around. I only use it for old games that won't run on anything newer and go totally mental in vms though. I won't even connect it to my home network, let alone the internet.
For the desktop, there's not much reason to upgrade over Win7 other than to say "I have windows 8". On the tablet side, I like Windows RT (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6392/the-windows-rt-review). It's recent reviews on Surface get really great ratings.Surface really interests me. I'm thinking about taking the Pro version (with an i5, I think) for a spin when it comes out.
same already saving up!For the desktop, there's not much reason to upgrade over Win7 other than to say "I have windows 8". On the tablet side, I like Windows RT (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6392/the-windows-rt-review). It's recent reviews on Surface get really great ratings.Surface really interests me. I'm thinking about taking the Pro version (with an i5, I think) for a spin when it comes out.
What I mean is you'll become one of "those people", like how you still get people who refuse to use computers entirely for instance. The traditional desktop in Windows 8 is akin to the MS-DOS mode in Windows 9x - it's a legacy feature that's going to become gradually stripped down further and further in successive incarnations of Windows as applications and people become less reliant on it, until eventually it won't be there at all. So you'll be left either begrudgingly using it whilst complaining like an technologically-illiterate pensioner, or using Windows 7 long after it's become obsolete and barely usable, or perhaps off using some irrelevant Linux distro that nobody cares about. Either way, everyone else will have moved on as I said, happily using touchscreen interfaces and a variety of form factors.Actually, I'm quite happy with my PC staying on the desktop, and using an iPad alongside it.
Surface really interests me. I'm thinking about taking the Pro version (with an i5, I think) for a spin when it comes out.I recommend waiting until Haswell if you don't need it now. The problem I have with Surface is its form-factor, especially the Pro version. With the keyboard cover attached, a lot of users are going to end up wanting to use it like a laptop, but there is no rigid connection between the surface and the keyboard, so it needs to be sitting on a table to use it that way - you can't use it on your lap etc.
This is like the third time now you've somehow not understood what I've said, despite it being blatantly straightforward.
i.e.
"Your argument that Windows 7 will eventually be useless" - Never said this (with your level of Asperger's-esque level of literalness).
What I did say is that Windows 7 will eventually become irrelevant, I suppose you could consider this me saying it will become "useless", but only in a practical reality sense as oppose to absolute literal meaning of it having no potential use. e.g. A Ford Model T isn't literally useless, as it can still function, but realistically yes it is.
"Why are you saying that anyone who uses obsolete operating systems are delusional?" - Also never said this. What I quite clearly said was that if you consider DOS/Windows 3.1x to still be relevant to modern day mainstream computing then you're delusional.
I've yet to come across a single Metro app that is actually useful yet.This is really similar to the problem I'm having with the argument going on in this thread; I haven't read it too carefully but it seems Malphas thinks those who won't embrace Win8 will be left behind, although I've yet to see anyone mention a reason as to why the new UI in 8 is a step forward in any way, unless they also claim touchscreen to be the future. In which case I would say the touch experience is highly subjective and is, as far as I can see, in no way superior to what we already have.
Perhaps I am too old-fashioned, but I have little desire to give up my "big" computer rig for what I would consider to be "toys" (to trivialize them a bit).And most people that are purchasing computers for themselves, rather than using a work-provided device, use them for browsing the web, reading email, using IM, watching videos and listening to music. The extent at which a typical user wants to edit photos is easily handled by these devices as well. (cropping and adding color filters)
Since I sit at a desk and do actual real-world work for the majority of my computing time, the most efficient workstation for me is a tower case that I can open up and upgrade any of the many hardware components at will, 2 monitors, a nice keyboard that is easy, fast, and pleasant to use, and a good mouse.
My computer-related hobbies, including photos and music manipulation, have requirements that approximately parallel my work needs.
I do not foresee owning a touch-screen monitor on either a laptop or a desktop computer for a decade, maybe a bit sooner on a laptop, but that is still 2-3 OS changes in the future. And do I really want to have to reach up and touch the screen all the time for everything I want to do? What I hate most about using my smart phone is that while I am doing anything, MY HANDS ARE IN THE DAMN WAY and I can't see what is going on!Touch-screen monitors on the desktop are never going to work. This is why Apple, despite pushing touch forward with their phones and tablets, have not made any move towards touch in their desktops or notebooks. The way forward with touch is multitouch trackpads/mice, and potentially devices like the Leap Motion (https://leapmotion.com/).
People here love to post those ridiculous and biased diagrams to show how small keyboards are ergonomically superior to large ones. Why is it not best for a comfortably seated human to look forward at a screen perpendicular to his eyes, with head erect, and work with his hands in a position that is natural to them?
Until a significant portion of the computing public really wants to use a touchscreen as their primary computing interface, why write it into the OS as a core default procedure? Sure, make it an option, but it seems secondary, at most, to me.84 million iPads in two years seems fairly significant to me.
Well I've had windows 8 installed less than 24 hours and I've already broken it beyond repair.How on earth did you manage that?
Well I've had windows 8 installed less than 24 hours and I've already broken it beyond repair.
Seriously, what is wrong with you dude? Did I say you were delusional? Did you not understand my last post where I broke it down as simply as I could what I was saying and why you didn't get it? Again, even here you've misunderstood me as saying you were being irrelevant when what I clearly said was DOS/Windows 3.11 was irrelevant - as in irrelevant to the modern computing ecosystem.This is like the third time now you've somehow not understood what I've said, despite it being blatantly straightforward.
i.e.
"Your argument that Windows 7 will eventually be useless" - Never said this (with your level of Asperger's-esque level of literalness).
What I did say is that Windows 7 will eventually become irrelevant, I suppose you could consider this me saying it will become "useless", but only in a practical reality sense as oppose to absolute literal meaning of it having no potential use. e.g. A Ford Model T isn't literally useless, as it can still function, but realistically yes it is.
"Why are you saying that anyone who uses obsolete operating systems are delusional?" - Also never said this. What I quite clearly said was that if you consider DOS/Windows 3.1x to still be relevant to modern day mainstream computing then you're delusional.
Just stop saying that what I said is irrelevant. It is relevant, considering I was using it to make a comparison... so no, I'm not delusional.
Ok, I'm just going to shut up now... I don't want to continue debating and end up hurting someone's feelings or something (which tends to happen when I get into a debate).
If you think a PC running DOS and Workgroups 3.11 is still relevant then there's no point even discussing it since our perceptions of reality are too radically different to bother, ha ha.
No, I meant irrelevant, like I said. Impractical is correct also, of course, but it's not the main issue I was dealing with.What I did say is that Windows 7 will eventually become irrelevant, I suppose you could consider this me saying it will become "useless", but only in a practical reality sense as oppose to absolute literal meaning of it having no potential use. e.g. A Ford Model T isn't literally useless, as it can still function, but realistically yes it is.
Despite the danger of edging this pissing match forward, i'm going to say I see where both you and CLiB are coming from. I think what you desired to say is that using windows 7 (or the included features thereof in a future iteration of windows) will become highly impractical. Theoretically you COULD run most o the commands ( and it is still necessary to run some higher-level commands, ie IPCONFIG ) via DOS today, but you wouldn't expect Quickbooks 2013 to come out and feature support for DOS.
I know for a fact that all of my friends who work with computers only access different programs with WinKey -> type, btw. It's not a small percentage of the computer-using population that we, as technologically literate people, care about, which Microsoft doesn't have a way to track.
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has an obnoxiously overbearing interface that gets in your way while you try to do one simple thing.
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This thread isn't about OSX or Macs, but I'd like just to say that while they do a lot of things automatically, they're always intuitive and if you want to do something differently, the System Preferences are two clicks away and much, much better organized than the ever-mysterious Control Panel.That's true, but there's also considerably less options contained within System Preferences compared to Control Panel.
By the time Windows 7 is as deprecated as DOS is today in the market, they'll have rereleased Windows 8 as Win9, and then come out with another "groundbreaking" interface in Win10 and finally changed the naming scheme for the 11th installation. If Windows 8 is a failure, Win7 will last that much longer and same deal with 9, 10, etc.None of this will happen.
I know for a fact that all of my friends who work with computers only access different programs with WinKey -> type, btw. It's not a small percentage of the computer-using population that we, as technologically literate people, care about, which Microsoft doesn't have a way to track.I can barely make sense of this. Are you saying all of the people you know use Winkey + type? That's exactly what I'm saying. Or are you saying that people generally don't use this? In which case fine, but I was making the point that it's hypocritical/lacking in self awareness to be complaining about a GUI that actually encourages use of the keyboard rather than mouse on a forum dedicated to keyboards.
Seriously, what is wrong with you dude? Did I say you were delusional? Did you not understand my last post where I broke it down as simply as I could what I was saying and why you didn't get it? Again, even here you've misunderstood me as saying you were being irrelevant when what I clearly said was DOS/Windows 3.11 was irrelevant - as in irrelevant to the modern computing ecosystem.This is like the third time now you've somehow not understood what I've said, despite it being blatantly straightforward.
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"Your argument that Windows 7 will eventually be useless" - Never said this (with your level of Asperger's-esque level of literalness).
What I did say is that Windows 7 will eventually become irrelevant, I suppose you could consider this me saying it will become "useless", but only in a practical reality sense as oppose to absolute literal meaning of it having no potential use. e.g. A Ford Model T isn't literally useless, as it can still function, but realistically yes it is.
"Why are you saying that anyone who uses obsolete operating systems are delusional?" - Also never said this. What I quite clearly said was that if you consider DOS/Windows 3.1x to still be relevant to modern day mainstream computing then you're delusional.
Just stop saying that what I said is irrelevant. It is relevant, considering I was using it to make a comparison... so no, I'm not delusional.
Ok, I'm just going to shut up now... I don't want to continue debating and end up hurting someone's feelings or something (which tends to happen when I get into a debate).
Read again.If you think a PC running DOS and Workgroups 3.11 is still relevant then there's no point even discussing it since our perceptions of reality are too radically different to bother, ha ha.
Not "relevant to the debate", I was saying relevant in general. It's hard to have a debate when you're constantly having to explain to the other person their own failings in comprehension.
I can barely make sense of this. Are you saying all of the people you know use Winkey + type? That's exactly what I'm saying. Or are you saying that people generally don't use this? In which case fine, but I was making the point that it's hypocritical/lacking in self awareness to be complaining about a GUI that actually encourages use of the keyboard rather than mouse on a forum dedicated to keyboards.I'm saying Microsoft analytics don't have a way to determine who is computer literate (assuming we are computer literate and someone who struggles with the basics of what a computer does to make things happen isn't) and that we, as computer literate people, are more apt to certain methods and know more about how to easily and appropriately access different functions, and thus points that Win8 is very friendly to new or less technical users are all moot in this thread.
only if Microsoft allow me to disable Metro mode, then i will love Windows 8there is no metro mode just a new start menu...
Love it.same here.
I am enjoying how angry the internet seems to be about it! I can't wait for Win8 Lumia 920 and SurfacePro!dude you and I are on the same wavelength! Surface Pro FTW!
The only thing that makes me sad is having to use a Microsoft account.. I wanna use gmail and have full integration!that would be nice but this inst android or a chrome book so well just have to wait until google makes some windows 8 apps.
I might have to jump back to Microsoft for email, calendar and skydrive.just add gmail to the mail client and you cab sync calendar and contacts with it and im sure dropbox will come out with an app soon.
I can barely make sense of this. Are you saying all of the people you know use Winkey + type? That's exactly what I'm saying. Or are you saying that people generally don't use this? In which case fine, but I was making the point that it's hypocritical/lacking in self awareness to be complaining about a GUI that actually encourages use of the keyboard rather than mouse on a forum dedicated to keyboards.I'm saying Microsoft analytics don't have a way to determine who is computer literate (assuming we are computer literate and someone who struggles with the basics of what a computer does to make things happen isn't) and that we, as computer literate people, are more apt to certain methods and know more about how to easily and appropriately access different functions, and thus points that Win8 is very friendly to new or less technical users are all moot in this thread.
My point is to watch the context of opinions: average users and tablet users don't have reasons to specifically like or dislike any changes so long as they can still with some amount of ease access the few basic functions they use regularly, whereas we have a wider vocabulary of technological terms and have a deeper understanding and INTEREST in the way things work and are more entitled to giving criticism on feature changes, additions, and subtractions that do affect our methods. <- long sentence is badly worded
I see no reason to upgrade from WIndows 7....so I won't.all the benifits of a faster and more optimized windows...
I see no reason to upgrade from WIndows 7....so I won't.Stick with the time-tested, proven reliable OS. Good plan...
Gladiatorial rules. It has to kill win7 in a colosseum fight.
all that matters is that overall most users barely use the Start Menu anymore
all that matters is that overall most users barely use the Start Menu anymore
No, you can use whatever OS you like. The problem is when you aren't able to separate your experience from the debate over Windows 8 in general and try to suggest that Microsoft's actions are flawed in removing the Start Menu based on your own usage patterns rather than the reality of the current market in general (which you have done previously).all that matters is that overall most users barely use the Start Menu anymore
All that matters in what I spend my money on is the changes in other peoples' behaviors. Yeah, I'm arguing against the point you make in every post and don't seem to realize it...
Like I already said earlier, Microsoft's telemetry data is clear evidence of this. My personal experience of seeing how people use their computers backs up the fact, so I have little reason to doubt it based on a few people whining on Internet forums unless they (you) can provide evidence to the contrary.all that matters is that overall most users barely use the Start Menu anymore
Where in bloody hell did you get this information? Oh right, the internet. Because everything posted there MUST be true...
No, you can use whatever OS you like. The problem is when you aren't able to separate your experience from the debate over Windows 8 in general and try to suggest that Microsoft's actions are flawed in removing the Start Menu based on your own usage patterns rather than the reality of the current market in general (which you have done previously).So my own experiences don't make a difference in what's pertinent to me and my purchases? As I've said in previous posts... CONTEXT. There is NOTHING outside of CONTEXT, and while Win8 is fine in the context of low end, common users, it ISN'T to all the people that complain about it.
Now, to make a ridiculous example that you might actually understand, imagine a plague killed all of the human-edible fruits, vegetables, and grains in the world, and the only way to survive is to eat grazing animals that can digest plants like grass that we can't. The catch is, you're a vegan and are completely repulsed at the thought of eating animals. So, do you give up your entire previous life to "follow the herd" and eat a different diet, or do you die? You, Malphas, would drop everything you have ever stood up for and chow down because that's just what everyone else who each has a different backstory than you is doing, while we, who are consistent and defend our preferences and habits, would struggle in the new environment.
Like I already said earlier, Microsoft's telemetry data is clear evidence of this. My personal experience of seeing how people use their computers backs up the fact, so I have little reason to doubt it based on a few people whining on Internet forums unless they (you) can provide evidence to the contrary.
You're still using Spudlight? Install Quicksilver (http://www.blacktree.com/)...
I already know that there are no Windows 8 drivers for my sound card (Asus Xonar Essence STX). Or my Ceton cablecard tuner.There were drivers posted on the ASUS site last month. http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/Audio_Card/Xonar_Essence_STX/PCI_STX_8_0_8_1813_W8.zip (http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/Audio_Card/Xonar_Essence_STX/PCI_STX_8_0_8_1813_W8.zip)
Jesus Christ, you're obtuse. Why can't you understand what I'm saying here? You're totally free to hate Windows 8 or think whatever you want about it, that's your opinion. However that's not what you've been saying in this thread, what you've been doing is making broad assertions as to what Windows 8 is in general, in fact you just did it in this post I quoted with no self-awareness whatsoever.No, you can use whatever OS you like. The problem is when you aren't able to separate your experience from the debate over Windows 8 in general and try to suggest that Microsoft's actions are flawed in removing the Start Menu based on your own usage patterns rather than the reality of the current market in general (which you have done previously).So my own experiences don't make a difference in what's pertinent to me and my purchases? As I've said in previous posts... CONTEXT. There is NOTHING outside of CONTEXT, and while Win8 is fine in the context of low end, common users, it ISN'T to all the people that complain about it.
It means I barely touch the mouse any more for stuff that isn't in-app mousing to carry out specific mouse only actions. Launching apps, searching for files, pretty much everything can be done from quicksilver. It's spotlight on steroids.You're still using Spudlight? Install Quicksilver (http://www.blacktree.com/)...
trying it atm, it's shiny but what made you switch to it?
also she's using a cherry ml4100 so i have to ctrl+esc everything
Didn't you know it's cool to hate things that are new and made by Microsoft?Sorry no, no I didnt...
i'm really tired of the OS... taking over stuff, like i use the wifes computer as the photo/video drive, you know the one that holds the pictures. so like i click on a pic and it uses xbox media something to show me the pic, i click on a movie and it uses xbox, and i can't get out of it to get back to desktop.Uninstall the default Metro apps, or right-click the files and change the program they open with by default.
now i know this is on purpose, but i NEED to get to the desktop when i want, i don't want to be "stuck" in an application if i don't want, so i had to download picasa and vlc and let those programs handle all the pics and vids so that win8 won't hijack my desktop, wtf! (btw was gonna do picasa anyway, the facial rec is awesome, and i backed up the previous settings)
Non-Unicomp buckling spring users live in a universe without Windows keys.
I guess its cool, it boots really fast and other stuff. I just haven't figured out how to turn the system off without logging out.
Thank's, seems like there should be a shorter way though.Agreed but their isnt you should have to go into settings to get to the power options.
Thank's, seems like there should be a shorter way though.Agreed but their isnt you should have to go into settings to get to the power options.
Thank's, seems like there should be a shorter way though.Agreed but their isnt you should have to go into settings to get to the power options.
I wish it were an option in the start menu itself, but this isn't that cumbersome.
Who needs Windows 8 when Windows 3.1 already has a version for tablets?
Who needs Windows 8 when Windows 3.1 already has a version for tablets?
incoming lawsuit from apple.
It does say samsung on it, so they have a chance of winning.
After learning all the [Win+...] shortcuts, Windows 8 is just awesome. As an OS, it's damn near perfect. The only thing I wish it had was bash as the default command line shell, not that dumb ass underpowered cmd.exe bull****.PowerShell is pretty awesome.. I'm still a complete PS noob, but it's miles ahead of CMD.exe simply because it has common Unix commands aliased to CMD.exe commands ( 'ls' = 'dir' ). You can also run a cmd shell within PS if needed.
Also, alt+F4 to close the program.
in the beta i was using that to bring up the shutdown popup too
in the beta i was using that to bring up the shutdown popup too
Does that not work anymore? because that's a great idea.
Other than not being able to disable the fancy new UI, I like it. The longer I use it the more I hate the metro UI though. I just can't understand why, if there isn't a touch interface detected, it isn't disabled with an option of turning it on if you suck. Then Microsoft could analyze their telemetry data and see how many people turn it on! Also the UI hardly adds anything that couldn't have been accomplished by having the live tiles on the desktop. You can shutdown from the desktop with Alt+F4 but you really do need to be 'on' the desktop not in an application on the desktop.
I seemed to have been noticing a pattern with Windows operating systems: they'll release a ****ty OS, then they'll release a decent one... and it repeats.
The primary example of this beginning with Windows ME (****) then Windows XP (good) then Windows Vista (****) and finally Windows 7 (good).
So, my prediction for Windows 8:
****!!!
^ LOL although ifit really was that bad no-one would be using it.
Hate to say it, but eventually the older generation will die out, and the vast majority of people on this planet (at least in the civilized areas) will be computer-literate. The whole concept of what we consider "intuitive" will change, as so much more will be taken for granted.
Hate to say it, but eventually the older generation will die out, and the vast majority of people on this planet (at least in the civilized areas) will be computer-literate. The whole concept of what we consider "intuitive" will change, as so much more will be taken for granted.
^ LOL although ifit really was that bad no-one would be using it.
People are using _Facebook_... its user interface is the least intuitive and user-friendly I have ever seen. It's a nightmare, but surprisingly enough, people are still using it.
It is 8x better then 7 (pun intended)
My problem with Windows 8: it is built on Win32. Still. This is sad, for many reasons. More info:
http://arstechnica.com/features/2012/10/windows-8-and-winrt-everything-old-is-new-again/ (http://arstechnica.com/features/2012/10/windows-8-and-winrt-everything-old-is-new-again/)
That's pretty naive. I definitely cannot call most young people in a developed country computer-literate as long as it includes
- ability to solve problems (at least read error messages and act accordingly) and learn from them,
- efficient use of apps/UI (e.g. use styles in a text processor),
- basic knowledge of security in computer systems, networks etc.
It's sad, but I can see it almost every day in real life, unfortunately.
I'm actually quite worried about the future of stuff like operating systems based on what I've seen from the people graduating 10 years behind me.
When I graduated I had done low level OS design and assembler etc as part of my degree. One of the guys who I worked with last year, didn't even know how to do memory allocation, or know what a memory leak was, he'd only ever written code in Java.
So computer literate he may have been, actually useful when it comes to making something like windows...not so much
Lots on CS courses just teach .net or java now because you have auto memory management etc, but they're dogs really.
That's pretty naive. I definitely cannot call most young people in a developed country computer-literate as long as it includes
- ability to solve problems (at least read error messages and act accordingly) and learn from them,
- efficient use of apps/UI (e.g. use styles in a text processor),
- basic knowledge of security in computer systems, networks etc.
It's sad, but I can see it almost every day in real life, unfortunately.
I wouldn't include those in "computer-literate". As a software developer, I'm constantly amazed at how many people, including software developers with decades of experience, just absolutely will not read what's in front of them.
But really, that's my entire point. What we currently consider intuitive just doesn't apply, and will continue to change.
Your changing requirements so that more people will pass awkwardly reminds me of the ongoing education crisis. Almost everybody has a diploma, but remains uneducated.
Windows 8 just feels wrong. One reason more to change to the linux way of life. A PC is meant to be used with our loved keyboards and a mouse, not by using it with a touchscreen like a tablet or a smartphone.Windows 8 actually promotes more keyboard use than previous versions. That's what I find so odd about people on these forums complaining about having to use keyboard shortcuts in Windows 8 for things would be previously done with a mouse (e.g. Windows key + type to search for a program, as opposed to navigating the Start Menu with a mouse).
To be perfectly honest, this is the first Windows release that I will recommend without reservation to anybody before it's first service pack. It's that solid.I havnt had any crashes that wernt firefoxes fault so i would have to agree there.
I've been running RTM since early August, and haven't had a single crash or error. And I do software development. It's the most stable Windows release ever.
I believe the Windows 8 requirements are actually less than Windows 7, but regardless, if you're machine will run Windows 7, it should run Windows 8.their the exact same except graphically which is less because of no aero which im happy about.
With Start8, it transforms the OS onto something completely useable.
I'm actually, honestly baffled by this. What does the start menu give you that the start screen doesn't? I'm honestly confused here.all the pop out stuff for profile folder my computer control panel and network?
Yeah, all that stuff's still there (just checked). Anything else?soo where is it?
soo where is it?
popout menu is nice and quick because i know where everything is located already 95% of the time. was just using win+e before start8 which was alright there was just lots of arrowing or double clicking involved.soo where is it?
Hit the start button and start typing. I found Documents, Music, Videos, Computer, Control Panel, Network, Devices, Default Programs. Hitting Win+W (Settings) brings up even more when searching.
Granted, it's not a popout menu, but what does that actually bring to the table, anyways?
Everything you need is easily accessible via the keyboard (which I'd imagine GeekHackers would appreciate), unless you're the type of person who needs to see things before they know what they're looking for.
popout menu is nice and quick because i know where everything is located already 95% of the time. was just using win+e before start8 which was alright there was just lots of arrowing or double clicking involved.
i found it with determination!popout menu is nice and quick because i know where everything is located already 95% of the time. was just using win+e before start8 which was alright there was just lots of arrowing or double clicking involved.
But what did you do before you knew where everything was? You had to learn that at some point. This is the same thing. It's a new paradigm, and requires a little bit of learning. And I daresay it's way more intuitive.
But ultimately, to each their own.
as a person who works in ITFTFY:) I have been playing with it at school(also work in IT) and it is very nice IMO, we did put the Classic Start on, just to help any students who aren't too PC friendly.
windows 8 is THE ****
its not intuitive at all.as a person who works in ITFTFY:) I have been playing with it at school(also work in IT) and it is very nice IMO, we did put the Classic Start on, just to help any students who aren't too PC friendly.
windows 8 is THE ****
i had to do th same thing when i first used android as well... i guess you could have read or watched something instead but who wants to do that?its not intuitive at all.as a person who works in ITFTFY:) I have been playing with it at school(also work in IT) and it is very nice IMO, we did put the Classic Start on, just to help any students who aren't too PC friendly.
windows 8 is THE ****
i only used it for like half an hour but i had to keep asking how to get to places -.- i see windows 8 as purely a tablet / touchscreen interface
Now that new PCs are coming in at work, I'm seeing a trend whaen i ask them how they like it.koolaid stand? sorry im confused
younger people, or people accustomed to using smart phones seem more at home with W8 (consumers)
older people, developers and content producers miss the start menu.
Since I installed Stardock's start8 start menu replacement i can get by with it ok if I ignore the koolaid stand that comes with every fresh install.
koolaid stand? sorry im confused
*ubuntu upgrades: go ahead and upgrade during beta
Ubuntu upgrades: wait a couple weeks after release
Mac OSX upgrades: wait a couple months after release
Windows upgrades: wait a couple years after release :-)
The only real thing I REALLY wish it had was a integrated photo previewer like OSX, or a previewer you can use if you're in the Desktop. If I only had one screen and had to view a photo because its simply too small in the explorer, it would default to the photo tile app... WHICH IS FULL SCREEN... WTF!? :eek:
Open With>> Photo Viewer.
- always open with this program
Yep, it's still there, they just use the app by default
Of course, if you're just looking for thumbnails, just right click the window and choose view large/extra large icons. That gives you a thumbnail so long as you have it enabled.
Thanks for the info! But I was already aware of that. :p
I should rephrase that to, "a zoom feature like Preview in OSX." I believe Preview is what it called in OSX, but I'm probably wrong. I'm sure you all have seen zoom feature it has. I wanted to be able to hit spacebar and the image will zoom in, or a video will start play. Using that, I rarely even used a media player for movies.
Yes, that is asking for a bit much but I've been a little spoiled by OSX for the past couple years. :p
The average user will never know what to do to get it to default to another program too.
You're talking about Quicklook. And yes, Windows needs one of those badly.
Yeah, I agree that a lot of the "Default" stuff is set up in a "non standard" way (as compared to older windows OSes.)
I think there still is a way to get a "preview" of it. Let me mess around a bit and see.
EDIT:
Click on the "View" tab on the toolbar and select "Preview Pane" Resize as necessary. Is that what you wanted?
i personally dont see a point becuse most of the files i deal with either arnt supported or fully supported directly with windows.
You're talking about Quicklook. And yes, Windows needs one of those badly.
I hope they integrate something like that soon!Yeah, I agree that a lot of the "Default" stuff is set up in a "non standard" way (as compared to older windows OSes.)
I think there still is a way to get a "preview" of it. Let me mess around a bit and see.
EDIT:
Click on the "View" tab on the toolbar and select "Preview Pane" Resize as necessary. Is that what you wanted?
I guess that's as close as it gets! Not as convenient as OSX, but it's kinda there in a way.
sorry if this has already been covered, but how is win 8 with eyefinity? I have a 3x1 horizontal display matrix and am concerned about the metro stuff where you have to use the right and left side of the screen (5760 pixels is a lot of scrolling). any thoughts anyone? $40 is so cheap and I don't want to miss out but if it's just horrendous with 3 displays then i might as well pass.noo clue does eyefinity trate it all as one monitor ? if so its span all th monitors then but the boxes can only be so big so most stuff will be on the most left monitor
In this thread someone said Win8 is more compatible that Win7 with older programs.
Does Office 2003 work with Win8?
No, I don't want to pay £nnn to replace what already works.
sorry if this has already been covered, but how is win 8 with eyefinity? I have a 3x1 horizontal display matrix and am concerned about the metro stuff where you have to use the right and left side of the screen (5760 pixels is a lot of scrolling). any thoughts anyone? $40 is so cheap and I don't want to miss out but if it's just horrendous with 3 displays then i might as well pass.noo clue does eyefinity trate it all as one monitor ? if so its span all th monitors then but the boxes can only be so big so most stuff will be on the most left monitor
runs way better in my experience toosorry if this has already been covered, but how is win 8 with eyefinity? I have a 3x1 horizontal display matrix and am concerned about the metro stuff where you have to use the right and left side of the screen (5760 pixels is a lot of scrolling). any thoughts anyone? $40 is so cheap and I don't want to miss out but if it's just horrendous with 3 displays then i might as well pass.noo clue does eyefinity trate it all as one monitor ? if so its span all th monitors then but the boxes can only be so big so most stuff will be on the most left monitor
yeah eyefinity treats all 3 screens as one monitor. I may pick up a copy to play around with and just to have it since its so cheap!
Isn't Eyefinity AMD only?Nvidia has a equivalent now
I've read through this entire thread, and quite a bit on some review sites.yep for sure id spend the extra 5$ on start8 too
Should I upgrade to windows 8 pro for 15USD?
If you can't live without the start menu. I'd give it a shot without it first. You might like it.I tried form release till christmas still prefer the start menu
I've read through this entire thread, and quite a bit on some review sites.yep for sure id spend the extra 5$ on start8 too
Should I upgrade to windows 8 pro for 15USD?
no difference from win7 in my experienceI've read through this entire thread, and quite a bit on some review sites.yep for sure id spend the extra 5$ on start8 too
Should I upgrade to windows 8 pro for 15USD?
Any incompatibility issues with windows 8 and programs/games?
You can get Windows 8 Pro for only $15 right now with their http://windowsupgradeoffer.com/.
I upgraded last night and so far it's been working quite well - I like the new Modern UI and Explorer, especially. Well worth the $15.
They don't track anything, so even if you have a home built PC you can just put "Other" as the PC Brand and virtually anything in Retailer and Model. I just put Newegg for retailer and "Nathaniel's PC" for model, lol.
Are you sure they don't track anything? Don't you need to provide your Windows 7 activation key ? (And if so, can't they track if it was activated within the eligible time period, and not years ago ?)
Cool, thanks for the info.
It's interesting that they allow installing Windows 8 on another PC... I read in the FAQ that as long as you have an eligible PC (which apparently they don't really track) you can install Windows 8 in another PC.
It's a bummer you have to register with Microsoft though, as opposed to buying an installation DVD from any retailer.
I installed windows 8 and it took about 1hr to completely install.
Wait, this is downloading, right?yea you download it
I would love to have an actual disk, or be able to burn one myself.
My DSL connection is pretty lame, but are we talking about downloading at least a couple of gigs, then installing?
I was planning to try this next week.
I installed windows 8 and it took about 1hr to completely install.
1 hour!? I think it's the fastest version of Windows to install. Was it an upgrade install? Maybe you need a new computer?? :)
I was blown away by how fast Windows 7 installs. Windows 8 blows Windows 7 out of the water.i have yet to try over USB 3.0 but i kind of want to try :D
I used the Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool) to make an installable USB drive (min 4GB required). Using that, a fresh Windows 8 install took about 10 minutes.
USB 3.0 install to SSD drive = :eek:yep ill try when i put win8 on my desktop
USB 3.0 install to SSD drive = :eek:
I installed windows 8 and it took about 1hr to completely install.1 hour!? I think it's the fastest version of Windows to install. Was it an upgrade install? Maybe you need a new computer?? :)
I was blown away by how fast Windows 7 installs. Windows 8 blows Windows 7 out of the water.
I used the Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool (http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/html/pbPage.Help_Win7_usbdvd_dwnTool) to make an installable USB drive (min 4GB required). Using that, a fresh Windows 8 install took about 10 minutes.
One problem I see is WinPE may not have USB 3.0 driver and only reading at 2.0 speed or not seeing USB drive at all.win7 had this problem but with the built in usb 3.0 win8 driver thi should be all good.
How the hell did you do that? Slipstreamed install?
I've never seen Win95/98 take less than 70 minutes from the install CD.
This was maybe 10 years ago, I really can't remember now, apart from the time. There wasn't much of it to copy, not like the dozens of GB of bare OS install that you get these days.
The messaging app is SO silly, they stop supporting MSN but the implement msn messenger INTO the OS?MSN/Windoows Live Messenger is now dead they integrated it with skype
-.- so weird.
Ive been using it for about a week now and it still feels like one of the notorious bridging OS's microsoft seems to like doing. If you install classic start menu then yeah youll likely be happy, theres also small features i like... however there is ALOT of rough edges that NEED fixing, which is comparable to vista/7.
The messaging app broke my skype until i stopped using my microsoft account and used a local account instead.
The only reason to get it right now is the price, which is why i got it.
I've been having some problems lately. yesterday there were 25 updates to be installed on my computer. i believe it's the update of the windows 8 drivers.. after it reaches 100% configuration, it just shows "Restarting" ( I clicked update and restart ). The restart continued for quite a while, until i had to manually switch off.never use driver from windows update unless you have to
MSN/Windoows Live Messenger is now dead they integrated it with skype
We still have three more days to redeem the $15 Windows8 right?
http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US/SelectCulture?previousController=Registration&previousAction=Index
I already have one but for $15 dollars, I might as well pick up another.