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Title: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 16 November 2012, 08:10:21
Tis a sad day in America...

Stock up now before they're gone forever!

RIP Hostess.  You'll surely be missed.  :'(
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: biochem on Fri, 16 November 2012, 08:17:42
Where will Americans now get their daily dose of trans fats?
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 16 November 2012, 08:57:29
Hooray for unions!

True story -- I live in New York, and when I was younger I used to drive on The Deegan, a highway that passed right by the Stella D'oro cookie and cake factory. It smelled great. Then OSHO came in and made them vent the place such that there was no more delicious cookie smells wafting across the landscape. Then, a few years later their union workers went on strike for an entire year and as a result the current owners closed the factory entirely and moved to Ohio.

Now another union is going to kill off yet another company.

Grrr...
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: reaper on Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:03:11
I love Twinkies!  It reminds me of Zombieland. lol   
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:07:39
this pretty much destroys all the worldly or zombie predictions that only twinkies will be around, heck in 20 years we'll have kids watching "silly" zombie movies from the turn of the century and going "whats a twinkie?"
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:09:31
Yeah, the baker's union screwed themselves.  They go on strike because of an 8% pay cut, instead they will be losing their jobs.

(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30317971.jpg)

Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:19:18
this pretty much destroys all the worldly or zombie predictions that only twinkies will be around, heck in 20 years we'll have kids watching "silly" zombie movies from the turn of the century and going "whats a twinkie?"

True.

Also, it's been proven that Twinkies do not actually last forever.
http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp

So start buying some right now. They're gonna be worth something some day.

(Leaves to find some Twinkies as Christmas gifts.)
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: biochem on Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:19:30
Yeh I know that wonderful bakery smell. The Quizani bakery in Boston's south end used to have that, but not anymore.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 16 November 2012, 09:34:59
Yeh I know that wonderful bakery smell. The Quizani bakery in Boston's south end used to have that, but not anymore.

OSHA bastards. Sure, I might have been inhaling Class A carcinogens along with the bakery smell, but whatever, I have ObamaCare now anyway, right? Posting this from my ObamaPhone.

Sorry to turn this thread into The McLaughlin Group -- but not really.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 16 November 2012, 10:36:00
Hooray for unions!

True story -- I live in New York, and when I was younger I used to drive on The Deegan, a highway that passed right by the Stella D'oro cookie and cake factory. It smelled great. Then OSHO came in and made them vent the place such that there was no more delicious cookie smells wafting across the landscape. Then, a few years later their union workers went on strike for an entire year and as a result the current owners closed the factory entirely and moved to Ohio.

Now another union is going to kill off yet another company.

Grrr...
I think I watched an HBO documentary on exactly that. They didn't close it, they sold it to new owners who proceeded to fire everyone in the union and hire new people.
Title: Re: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 16 November 2012, 10:51:31
I love Twinkies!  It reminds me of Zombieland. lol
Snowballs! I hate Snowballs, not the taste, just the consistency!
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: MMB on Fri, 16 November 2012, 10:53:46
Time for LITTLE DEBBIES TO STEP UP!!!!! (I have always liked them more....anyways)
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 16 November 2012, 10:54:08
I love Twinkies!  It reminds me of Zombieland. lol
Snowballs! I hate Snowballs, not the taste, just the consistency!

Tallahassee: "I HATE coconut, not the taste, the consistency."

Get it right SmallFry!  :p
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:12:21
I think I watched an HBO documentary on exactly that. They didn't close it, they sold it to new owners who proceeded to fire everyone in the union and hire new people.

Yes, I think that's what happened. What a great ending. Like watching a guy poke a bear in a cage over and over and over until the bear finally just mauls him. Sure, it's terrible to witness a mauling, but a little part of me is glad. In the case of Hostess' union, I think they really, REALLY overplayed their hand. I'm sure the union thought they were going to win, just like ever other time in the past. No problem, right?

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Yeah... no, not this time.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:14:18
omg, state fairs are gonna be in a crisis, and i better hurry to one to get my first and last deep fried twinkie
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:28:32
Hostess cupcakes taste too good to be allowed for sale.  They're like crack for sweet-tooths
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:32:13
Dude, no! Raspberry Zingers!!!
Title: Re: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:35:44
I love Twinkies!  It reminds me of Zombieland. lol
Snowballs! I hate Snowballs, not the taste, just the consistency!

Tallahassee: "I HATE coconut, not the taste, the consistency."

Get it right SmallFry!  :p
Whatever...
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:40:36
I'm just hoping I can get to the store in time before they all sell out... I'm planning on stocking up and freezing some.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: metalliqaz on Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:49:39
Dude, they are going to keep making Twinkies.  It will just be another company that takes over.  You think they would actually kill off Twinkies?  Hell no.  Everyone knows Twinkies.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 16 November 2012, 11:54:34
I'm sure another company will make them, but I'm not taking any chances!
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: demik on Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:20:01
That's what happens when unions get greedy.

I'm all for worker's rights but some of these unions and their workers are straight up theives.

Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:22:12
Unions used to be necessary, back when workers were getting screwed over all the time. They're irrelevant now, with the laws that protect employees. Their only purpose now is to screw companies out of as much money as they can, destroying businesses, and ou economy little by little in the process.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:31:12
People still ate those?
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:34:00
Cosmic Brownies is where it's at, yo!
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:34:32
People still ate those?

Not like they used to, but yes...
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:36:16
Cosmic Brownies is where it's at, yo!

Love them.  Also these:

(http://www.littledebbie.com/Images/products/star1.gif)
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: boost on Fri, 16 November 2012, 12:38:52
not cool, tho I haven't had a twinkie in a long time.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: The_Beast on Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:10:07
not cool, tho I haven't had a twinkie in a long time.

There's a reason.....




....they are bad
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:25:36
Gonna miss those cupcakes with the cream in the center. I will be telling my grandchildren about them in 30 years.
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Title: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: shadewolf on Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:28:26
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 16 November 2012, 19:44:06
That's what happens when unions get greedy.

I'm all for worker's rights but some of these unions and their workers are straight up theives.

Unions used to be necessary, back when workers were getting screwed over all the time. They're irrelevant now, with the laws that protect employees. Their only purpose now is to screw companies out of as much money as they can, destroying businesses, and ou economy little by little in the process.

Not accepting an 8% pay cut, 17% health care cut and massive pension cuts makes them thieves?  Why isn't that statement turned to the upper management, who somehow received an 80% pay raise while in Ch11 bankruptcy? Or the fact that 8 different management groups couldn't make the company profitable for over a decade?

I'm not exactly happy to see what's turned into an icon shut its doors, but it's irresponsible and frankly juvenile to blame the union that blocked a bad deal.

Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: silat on Fri, 16 November 2012, 20:29:32
Yeah, the baker's union screwed themselves.  They go on strike because of an 8% pay cut, instead they will be losing their jobs.

Show Image
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30317971.jpg)




Well that is a nice fantasy story but not the truth. Vampire capitalists bought the company and raped it. It was teetering from all the debt that had been taken on the assets so that a few Vampire capitalists could realize huge profits. Laying it on the organized workers is delusional at best.
Nice spin though.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 16 November 2012, 20:36:31
To be honest, too, an 8% pay cut is as good as not having a job without the extra time to find it.  You still aren't able to pay your bills, but you're also exhausted from a day's work.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Trent on Fri, 16 November 2012, 22:43:23
Hooray for unions!

True story -- I live in New York, and when I was younger I used to drive on The Deegan, a highway that passed right by the Stella D'oro cookie and cake factory. It smelled great. Then OSHO came in and made them vent the place such that there was no more delicious cookie smells wafting across the landscape. Then, a few years later their union workers went on strike for an entire year and as a result the current owners closed the factory entirely and moved to Ohio.

Now another union is going to kill off yet another company.

Grrr...

Best death of a product due to unions.  I love it.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 16 November 2012, 23:21:03
I've never belonged to a union, but I recommend reading Cory Doctorow's For The Win.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Trent on Sat, 17 November 2012, 17:53:04
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sat, 17 November 2012, 17:55:43
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...

25 days:

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: phx on Sat, 17 November 2012, 20:54:04
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...

25 days:

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp

can always freeze them
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Trent on Sun, 18 November 2012, 11:21:36
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...

25 days:

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp

can always freeze them

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9pjaqU1Ep1rwqr3no1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: biochem on Sun, 18 November 2012, 17:59:47
Better than Twinkies

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Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: sth on Sun, 18 November 2012, 18:03:04
reading Cory Doctorow

ouch. not if i can help it.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: demik on Sun, 18 November 2012, 18:19:42
i take back what i said about unions (well, kinda. i still think some have thieves as members)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/18/1162786/-Inside-the-Hostess-Bankery

Acceptable post count, demik.

thanks. i must retire this screen name now.

it has been a good run, good bye all.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 18 November 2012, 18:21:33
Acceptable post count, demik.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Sun, 18 November 2012, 19:40:23
Acceptable post count, demik.

lmao...
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 20 November 2012, 07:56:34
Unions used to be necessary, back when workers were getting screwed over all the time. They're irrelevant now, with the laws that protect employees. Their only purpose now is to screw companies out of as much money as they can, destroying businesses, and ou economy little by little in the process.

+1

Yeah, there will be Twinkies and Ho-Ho's, etc. -- they just won't be made by Americans. There used to be this beautiful symmetry -- Americans made ever fatter and fatter by snack food products made by other Americans. Now Canadians will be making us fatter. What kind of a world do we live in folks? Canada used to be the country that secretly hoped America didn't roll over in bed at night and accidentally suffocate it, now they're gonna make our Twinkies. Just give me the Mark of the Beast already!

LOL
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 20 November 2012, 08:15:11
I don't really like twinkies, they're not bad, but they're not good either,
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 20 November 2012, 08:26:16
I don't really like twinkies, they're not bad, but they're not good either,

I don't think many adults really like Twinkies. We just have fond memories of our favorite childhood snack cakes, and we want to hold onto the past in some way.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 20 November 2012, 12:35:53
Haha, some guy at my job brought in a box of twinkies today. I ate mine but probably should have sold it on Craigslist :D

Considering they've got an unofficial shelf life of ~15 years I think they'll be around for a long while...

Up Next: Vintage Twinkies.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 20 November 2012, 13:03:48
Not accepting an 8% pay cut, 17% health care cut and massive pension cuts makes them thieves?  Why isn't that statement turned to the upper management, who somehow received an 80% pay raise while in Ch11 bankruptcy? Or the fact that 8 different management groups couldn't make the company profitable for over a decade?

I'm not exactly happy to see what's turned into an icon shut its doors, but it's irresponsible and frankly juvenile to blame the union that blocked a bad deal.

This is exactly why manufacturing in America has taken such a downturn -- it's not profitable anymore. Unions aren't the only reason why it's become unprofitable, but they are the primary reason. The average salary of these union bakers is somewhere between $16 and $20 per hour, which sound entirely reasonable, but only if you don't factor in their pensions, and the ridiculous union rules that are pushed onto employers.

From a NYTimes article on the liquidation:

Quote
The bakers union has rules requiring that Hostess use two trucks to make deliveries to a single location: one for cakes, and another one for bread. When Hostess filed for bankruptcy, the company insisted that its labor costs and union rules were unsustainable, and it moved to renegotiate the contracts. One work rule required that two separate trucks be used to ship bread and cake products to a single retailer. The company also indicated that it faced $52 million in workers’ compensation claims.

I wonder if the union workers have a defined benefit pension package, or a market-based 401K program? I'm betting it's a defined benefit package -- which means it doesn't matter what happens in the market, they get their money. You just don't see that in the private market anymore because it doesn't make any sense anymore. It's like using two trucks to deliver to the same location.

I live in the belly of the beast, New York, and every year we hear about how the MTA (Metro Transportation Authority) has to raise public transportation costs. Every year, without fail. No one even bothers anymore to point out that pensions and salaries account for something like 85% of the companies expenses. It's just part of the political physics of the region; union members screw everyone else over and then pose as working class heroes. And these guys are thieves (Demik is right about this) -- they milk the system. They had a huge expose on how an obscure union rule states that pension rates shall be calculated as a percentage of the salary averaged over the last three years of work. So what do they do in the last three years? They put in for massive (often fraudulent) overtime pay and end up being paid nearly as much (or more) than what they earned while working.

Don't believe me? http://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/releases/nov11/110911.htm (http://www.osc.state.ny.us/press/releases/nov11/110911.htm)

Quote
DiNapoli's auditors calculated that the shift manipulation for 28 of the 30 employees in the Unit cost Metro-North $991,208 in overtime and $216,128 in pay for rest shifts in 2010. For six of these employees, the additional payments inflated future projected pension benefits by $5.5 million. One worker was able to increase his projected total pension amount by $1.5 million above what would have been earned at his regular salary.

These are union rules designed explicitly to be exploited and abused. And since this is a crucial public system (railroads) no one can afford to see it fail. We can do without Twinkies, but not public transportation. I long to see the days of Reagan return, when he promised the air traffic controllers not to strike or lose their jobs, and then followed through. Sweet, sweet nectar.

TL;DR?

Unions are killing the country, slowly but surely.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 20 November 2012, 14:22:10
interesting tidbit i just heard about the mta, the fare only covers 50% of the cost, forget where the other half get's paid from taxes?

plus i don't believe a factory work should receive anywhere near 16 to 20, it's not like it's mindblowing work, a min wage mcdonald's employee could do the same work with 1 week of training (and i use mcdonald employee cuz of my experience with it like 10 years ago, i mean you give anyone 40hours of training, and they can work any machine and/or process depending on how difficult it is, you scale it up from min wage)

and about min wage, why is it there? it's a silly thing, it should be abolished, it's even silly to think that anyone can live on min wage anyway, besides min wage in ny is not gonna take you as far as like wyoming or whatever mid west state.

however, unions are probably a necessity, usually companies who have the bigger voice villianize unions, unions and management is like a seesaw, sometimes mgtment wins sometimes the unions win, but without this necessary seesaw people would get worked over, and of course the usual thing to say is, well get another job, which is not something that can be said once you have a family,mortgage and 2 cars.

anyway look at walmart, no unions there, i actually talk to the employees at my walmart (cuz i live out in the middle of nowhere and i only have walmart) and they're generally ok, i mean i see the same ppl, working the same shifts, so i assume something is working. Of course i only shop there at odd hours of the day, cuz the horrible store decides that 2 cashiers out of the possible 24 open slots is good enough for ppl and ppl should just wait in the checkout line for 1hr, i mean heck if unions had their way, they'd only have 1 cashier.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 20 November 2012, 14:52:21
interesting tidbit i just heard about the mta, the fare only covers 50% of the cost, forget where the other half get's paid from taxes?

You would think that a company that moves millions of people everyday could manage to be self-sustaining, but you would be wrong. The U.S. Post Office is another example of this sort of problem.

Quote from: Lanx
plus i don't believe a factory work should receive anywhere near 16 to 20, it's not like it's mindblowing work, a min wage mcdonald's employee could do the same work with 1 week of training (and i use mcdonald employee cuz of my experience with it like 10 years ago, i mean you give anyone 40hours of training, and they can work any machine and/or process depending on how difficult it is, you scale it up from min wage)

It seems somewhat high to me, but not being familiar with what each worker does and the skills needed, I wouldn't feel competent to comment. But it shouldn't be up to you or me anyway -- let the market decide. If workers demand $50 to drive a bread truck, let the employers decide if that's a price (for labor) that they're willing to pay. Conversely, employers should be allowed to offer $2/hour to drive the truck and be rebuffed by workers.

Quote from: Lanx
and about min wage, why is it there? it's a silly thing, it should be abolished, it's even silly to think that anyone can live on min wage anyway, besides min wage in ny is not gonna take you as far as like wyoming or whatever mid west state.

I would abolish minimum wage laws, but for different reasons. For one, I don't think putting an artificial 'floor' on the price of labor helps anyone. Would it be better to have a $5/hour job as opposed to no job at all? It depends on your philosophy of work. Work produces more than just money -- I need to work, it's part of my makeup. Second, minimum wage laws actually hurt low-wage earners because if effectively cuts off the bottom rung of the 'jobs ladder'. As you pointed out, you worked for McDonald's a decade ago. That's a first job for a lot of people. No one really starts out at their last job; you have a low-paying job at first and then work your way up the job (and pay) ladder.

As a business owner myself, minimum wage laws just artificially increase the cost of hiring a new person -- so I often decide to manage with fewer employees than take the risk. That's harder for me, but even harder on someone just starting out.

Quote from: Lanx
however, unions are probably a necessity, usually companies who have the bigger voice villianize unions, unions and management is like a seesaw, sometimes mgtment wins sometimes the unions win, but without this necessary seesaw people would get worked over, and of course the usual thing to say is, well get another job, which is not something that can be said once you have a family,mortgage and 2 cars.

There was a time when unions really were needed -- but that time is long past, in most cases. Also, I don't think people's right to unionize (to freely associate) should be illegal, it's just that the game for unions in the U.S. is rigged heavily in their favor. Ever heard of the NLRB? It's the National Labor Relations Board, and the laws it lays down really puts American companies over a barrel in terms of bargaining. These companies really have little to no choice when it comes to bargaining with these unions. And that's not right. In a lot of states workers don't even have the choice of joining a union or not. Also, they break the law with impunity. The TWU (Transit Workers Union) in NYC is comprised of NYC bus drivers. According to the Taylor Law, they're not allowed to strike. They routinely do go on strike and cause all kinds of disruption.

Quote from: Lanx
anyway look at walmart, no unions there, i actually talk to the employees at my walmart (cuz i live out in the middle of nowhere and i only have walmart) and they're generally ok, i mean i see the same ppl, working the same shifts, so i assume something is working. Of course i only shop there at odd hours of the day, cuz the horrible store decides that 2 cashiers out of the possible 24 open slots is good enough for ppl and ppl should just wait in the checkout line for 1hr,

I don't even know how Walmart manages to remain union free.

Quote from: Lanx
i mean heck if unions had their way, they'd only have 1 cashier.

Likely they would have one register manned by three cashiers; two sleeping and one moving very, very slowly. And Walmart couldn't fire any of them. And you'd be required by law to shop there.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: TheQsanity on Tue, 20 November 2012, 15:00:52
What are those chocolate muffins with creme filling? Those are whats really good at hostess.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 20 November 2012, 15:12:42
rumor has it that whenever walmart hears rumors or sniffs out that a union might start in one of their stores, they quickly fire the employee or employees that are plotting, if that does work they just shut down the store all together, so no unions, but i remember reading something a while back about how walmart purchased some walmart like store in germany or gb one of the euro places and all those employees have unions and healthcare and pensions cuz of grandfathering.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 20 November 2012, 16:25:33
I think the days of labor unions in the US are drawing to a close. Labor unions are a drain to the economy of any place that has just, enforceable laws regarding the treatment of employees by employers. Labor unions once had a valid reason for their existence in the US, but that time has passed.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 20 November 2012, 16:55:53
TWINKYZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
(http://www.buyzombie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/rule-32.jpg)
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 21 November 2012, 09:08:24
What are those chocolate muffins with creme filling? Those are whats really good at hostess.

They just call those 'Hostess CupCakes' -- pretty generic really.
Title: Re: Hostess going out of business, no more Twinkies :(
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 21 November 2012, 09:43:54
Or are you thinking of Ding Dongs? I used to love Ding Dongs when they were wrapped in aluminum foil. Now they are wrapped in plastic wrappers, and they don't taste as good to me.

But I also don't think Snack Pack pudding tastes as good since they started putting it in plastic containers instead of tin cans.