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geekhack Community => Other Geeky Stuff => Topic started by: microsoft windows on Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:13:41
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Which one do you like better? Or do you use Linux instead? I personally prefer using Microsoft Windows. It has a superior GUI, and is much faster and more secure than Mac OS X. I do own 7 Macs, however. They all run classic Mac OS though.
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And heeeeeeeere we go!
Glad to see you're still alive MW.
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This thread is flame bait for fanbois.
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I was a Mac user and rabid zealot for a very long time, back when Macs were actual Macs rather than Unix PCs in drag. But with first the shift to OSX and then the shift to Intel processors, combined with the gradual decline in Apple hardware quality, the various reasons why I preferred (real) Macs ceased to apply. So now I use Windows.
I did try a few flavors of Linux after having decided that I was done being a Mac user, but none of them seemed to be able to compete with Windows or OSX when it came to gaming or convenience in everyday use.
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Neither?
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Linux wins.
Personally, I don't like OSX at all. There are a few issues error-handling with some of the apps (like finder) that make it unusable. I would much rather pick my policies than have them set for me. Also, there are a few oddities with sound and devices that I don't like.
I get to repair apple products every day, and they really are a mixed bag. In some ways the hardware is excellent (price aside) and in other ways it is pretty terrible (let's solder the RAM to the logic board!) (Let's pick a different SSD pinout with EVERY GENERATION) (let's not update the HDD cables that always fail!) etc.
For this reason, I use linux mainly for "work", and I use windows sometimes for gaming or media viewing (not that linux isn't good for media viewing, but I have my large CRT on windows, and I opt for dual-head on linux. As such , I have a better display for that sort of thing) I'm considering running my linux completely without a disk, and just loading the image to ram.
I also sort-of despise Apple as a company, so it's easy for me to stay away.
But I don't have anything against others using Apple. If it works for them, and they are happy with it, then I'm happy, too.
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Anyone want to buy my (used, working) mac pro?
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Yes. ****ing yes!
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Apple.
I have to suffer Windows (7 & XP) at work. I have to reboot regularly just to keep the computer responsive. Nearly every smallest update needs a reboot. The UI sucks.
GNU/Linux is too fragmented for the desktop, although most of my servers run one distro or another. The GNU/Linux desktop has come a long way over the past 8 years.
Mac OS X just works. It sits in the background and lets me get on with my work. It looks nice. It has a Unix underneath so I can use a comprehensive command line if I want to.
Been using Windows since V2.
Been using Max OS since 10.4 (with some experience of Classic).
Been using GNU/Linux since kernel 2.0 was still new.
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My favorite OS right now is Windows 7. Windows 8, IMO, is not bad (very different though). I like Linux but never found a distro I liked enough to stick with. OS X I really do not like because I find it very unintuitive compared to the other two.
At the end of the day though, I think that no OS is perfect for everybody, and I look forward to a day with maximum freedom of choice as well as maximum interoperability. Thankfully, web technology is helping things to move in that direction.
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I switched to Mac from windows years ago now. The reason I did was because I was about to attend school in audio production and sound engineering. Mac is far superior when it comes to running pro tools and apples Logic is a very powerful program when it comes to midi and synthesis. In fact Mac is the industry standard in audio. I'm not going to preach Mac like its the best thing ever. It does have its problems. I really wish that Mac was better for gaming. Another obvious downfall for Mac is the outrageous price (recently bought a 27" iMac and needed to start a line of credit for it). I do think that if your not into photo editing, film making or sound engineering, you should probably go with a windows system. If your buying a family computer you should probably buy a windows system and if your into gaming primarily, go with windows. I don't like the trendy direction Mac is headed in either.....
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Neither?
There's always one...
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Apple.
I have to suffer Windows (7 & XP) at work. I have to reboot regularly just to keep the computer responsive. Nearly every smallest update needs a reboot. The UI sucks.
lol your clearly doing something wrong, and while not being happy about the UI of an OS thats what, 11/12yrs old? seems redundant... I'd argue that Win7 has by far the best UI of all modern OS's simply becasue of how easy the taskbar is to navigate and how with one key press you can search (effeicentally) your entire machine for files/programs.
I only really use Windows becasue I'm primarly a gamer and there isn't another viable option for me on PC other than Windows. I've tried OSX and diffrent distro's of Linux but just have no real need for them.
I'd like to have a macmini plugged into my hi-fi and TV so I had something that iTunes would run on properly and so I could stream stuff on my TV without having to use my broken laptop but other than that, OSX is pretty limited and Linux is so backwards asfar as ease-of-use I can't be bothered with it.
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Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but the PC is newer than my Mac, and the Mac has been through several OS upgrades and Just Works. There is probably an equivalent number of programs installed no both, and uninstalled over the year or two I have had them. And in all those years the Mac has crashed twice. Windows BSOD probably half a dozen times, but slows to a crawl or goes all weird nearly every week.
The UI sucks because it does not work. Windows XP - not all windows were themed. Not even Command Prompt. And if you resize a window to narrow it switches from XP theme to classic theme, and you have to close and reopen the app to get the XP window decoration back. Come on Microsoft - at least theme the windows properly. How many times have you opened an application - its window appears on top of other windows and has the insertion point flashing in the input field (e.g. a login dialog), but another application has focus and swallows the keystrokes? How many times do you open one app, and its window appears behind everything else, or minimised? The windows don't appear in the same place each time you open them, so I usually just run every application full screen (not so with Mac). Windows 7 - you have several applications open, close one, and the task bar buttons resize so that if you don't look closely you might click the wrong button. There seems to be a 1 pixel gap under the task bar buttons in Win 7 where clicking achieves nothing. So you can't just move the mouse pointer to the bottom of the screen to click a task bar button, you have to move it a few pixels up.
I could go on. The Windows UI sucks.
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In my experience macs only 'just work' if you beary push them, I've had OSX lock up and crash on my as much as win7 BSOD, you must be doing something wrong and dumb... A crashing machine is one with a problem... And
Not something you can just ignorently blame on an OS you don't happen to like...
And I'm not going to read your essay on how the windows UI dsnt work, when clearly it does work, just fine...
People who cry about how 'bad' windows is and then claim macs 'just work' are the single worst thing about apple and there whole community, because it spreads ignorance and people just accept it as fact, when it's complete nonsense...
As an aside the one program that crashes my PC more than anything else is iTunes, and having to root though task manager closing random Apple processes so my iPhone will sync isn't iTunes 'just working'...
And why are you talking about XP? It compares so well to ANY Apple OS from 10-11 years ago...
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^I've typed up 4 or 5 different responses to that last post and decided that its best to just stay out of this war. Mac users vs PC users is like Israel vs Palestine. I honestly think I would be met with less hostility if I debated the existence of God with a devout Christian.
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YMMV. The above was based on my personal experience of using Windows since about version 2 and Mac OS since 10.4 (so I've been using Windows for much longer than Mac OS).
Mac OS is like a breath of fresh air compared to Windows.
And if you don't want to read some of the reasons why I have a less than optimal experience of the Windows UI, then I hope that you continue to enjoy your Windows experience.
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^I've typed up 4 or 5 different responses to that last post and decided that its best to just stay out of this war. Mac users vs PC users is like Israel vs Palestine. I honestly think I would be met with less hostility if I debated the existence of God with a devout Christian.
Good choice :)
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Yeah I know, but ignorant foolishness is something that drives me mad, espeically when people compare? Or try and compare the latest OSX to Windows XP, that came out in 2001, and is still supported and will be for admins untill 2014, which is frankly amazing
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I tried but non of it makes sense...
Ok I'm in a slow connection at work and just read your last post of 'good choice' I no see that your just one of those fanboys who dsnt want a discussion, and simply want to post about how wonderful it is regardless of facts posting 'personal experiences' as if they are suppose to mean anything towards a coherent logical argument for or against.
So I'm done! It's a shame everytime a thread like this is made people who use macs or at least a large % fall back on the old ignorance is bliss argument... But meh
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In Win7 the Command Prompt is themed, but other windows lose their Aero theme if you shrink their width too much and the child controls are positioned too far to the right. I develop software for Windows and this problem crops up every now and again so we tend to set a minimum width for the app's windows slightly wider than you'd otherwise think necessary.
Just sayin' that I have used and supported our staff and clients with a lot of Windows versions, and seen quite a few Mac OS versions too. I choose to use Mac OS at home because it lets me get things done without getting in the way. I have to use Windows at work, so I probably get to see (and help users to fix or work-around) more problems with Windows.
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I tried but non of it makes sense...
Ok I'm in a slow connection at work and just read your last post of 'good choice' I no see that your just one of those fanboys who dsnt want a discussion, and simply want to post about how wonderful it is regardless of facts posting 'personal experiences' as if they are suppose to mean anything towards a coherent logical argument for or against.
So I'm done! It's a shame everytime a thread like this is made people who use macs or at least a large % fall back on the old ignorance is bliss argument... But meh
I can only post based on my experience, and this is my opinion. There are millions of satisfied Windows users out there, and probably millions of satisfied Mac OS users. And thousands of happy GNU/Linux users. And probably dozens of OS/2 and Haiku users ;)
Mac OS works for me, Windows not as smoothly. Perhaps if I used Windows at home and Mac OS at work things might be different.
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itunes is such ****ty ****, that the person who likes itunes is the lowest common denominator, quite literally is the only piece of software that destroys my system (i haven't had it on my machine since 2006). thank you amazon, thank you zune, if not for these i wouldn't have digital downloads. Don't get me wrong, i have mac products, a touch, and wife's ipad and iphone. I keep itunes on her computer in a seperate eco-system, since itunes makes her computer wonky every year or so.
I used to have it on my htpc, cuz i was using the ipad to control the htpc and you needed itunes installed to interface, it made my system so unstable, that after a reformat, i'm happier using a smaller screen droid to control it instead.
hey, i've also seen where itunes works great, if you only have mac's in your eco-system. (sometimes) no joke i went to a friends place for tksgiving, and since it was family they wanted to show their family pics of our italy vacation (since we all took it together), they kept on screaming at their cable for going down, i had to tether my phone to internet working for them, and their new apple tv, wasn't pushing the images from the macbook to the tv.
turns out later that night, the apple tv, is able to do something and mess up the router, how the hell does a device take over a router to the point of destruction?
after a firmware update they still couldn't push pics from the new macbook to the apple tv, and used the old macbook with the tbolt hdmi, instead. Oh and they are both deathly afraid of updating ios cuz they still have google maps and don't want to loose it.
well that didn't turn out too well, but they're able to share purchases from ipad to iphone to mac (and maybe if appletv works finally, last phone call, they still had troubles). One's a computer engineer and the other is an engineer, so they aren't your normal hippie idiots that need the mac genius for help.
anyway i might get a droid based tablet cuz getting another ipad would be silly and only super dummies want to pay double the price for a microsoft surface.
oh btw ios sucks compared to anything droid 4.0 and up... i feel like i loose iq points when i go from my s3 to my wifes iphone or my touch.
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My favorite part of this thread?
It was started by Microsoft Windows.
And argument ensues, too easy some may say.
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The OP asked for an opinion. Several were offered.
Opinions are opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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My favorite part of this thread?
It was started by Microsoft Windows.
And argument ensues, too easy some may say.
my favorite part of this thread? Genderless wizard sharks.
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I prefer Windows for gaming, and Mac interface for everything else personally.
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I use OS X for my daily work but like to experiment with new and old systems too. The OS X offers the best compromise between solid and powerful UNIX environment and modern and elegant graphical interface, that's why it's just irreplaceable, IMO. In past I used both windows and linux. I've tried dozens of linux distros and was for a long time an active Archlinux user. After that I installed FreeBSD and realized how superior it was in comparison with Linux. Recently I've been experimenting with plan9 (aka UNIX++ from Bell Labs) — it's a brilliant system.
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Windows. Have always been a windows person, ever since I was a kid.
I don't mind Macs. I mean, I would never buy one, but they're nice to use.
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OS X. I have to suffer using win7 and win8 occasionally for legacy work, but otherwise windows is a part of my past I'd rather forget.
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Every operating system is terrible, but Linux seems to be less terrible than Windows and Mac.
I do sometimes miss Mac OS 7, back in the day when I didn't know what the hell I was doing with a computer.
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Every operating system is terrible, but Linux seems to be less terrible than Windows and Mac.
I do sometimes miss Mac OS 7, back in the day when I didn't know what the hell I was doing with a computer.
I've got System 6 on a couple of my Mac's--other than that, it's System 7.5.5 or Mac OS 9.2. No Mac OS X bull**** on my machines! : )
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I like Microsoft Linux.
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ESXi.... run all your silly OS's.
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But will Minecraft run on it?
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But will Minecraft run on it?
Sure, pick a host.
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Takin' the bait. They make nice phones though, if not vastly overpriced.
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I'll admit that I do buy Macs, but I only buy "Old world" ROM machines from the 1980's and 1990's. And I wouldn't pay more than $20 for them. Think right now I've got 4 Macintosh SE's, one SE/30, a Classic, and a Power Macintosh G3. And a couple of those bright-colored Imacs from the late 1990's just for the hell of it (got those for free).
But I certainly would not pay thousands of dollars for an Intel PC made by Foxconn just because it had a silver case and ran some joke of an operating system. As I've always said-- MAC OS X stands for MACsimizing Obsessive Stupidity for Xtreme dummies.
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Takin' the bait. They make nice phones though, if not vastly overpriced.
I won't quote the pictures, and before anyone says - I am not an Apple fanboi. I happen to use a Mac at home because it works for me. Before that I had a GNU/Linux PC. Before that was Windows.
Mac Pro - Apple does tend to severely overcharge hardware upgrades. But they are commodity items and you can just buy a SATA hard drive and install it yourself ror as cheap as you can find it. Graphics cards do require Apple-compatible ROMs, but many PC graphics cards can be flashed to work in a Mac Pro. So processor, RAM, HDD and optical drive you can get anywhere. RAID card will depend on whether the OS supports it or not. And up to you what monitor you choose to use (I have a 24" Acer LCD).
The second pic - was that taken at a Microsoft conference? I've seen a picl ike that before :p
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Ahh microsoft windows, the subtle troll.
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Haha, not very subtle.
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Mac + Windows dual wielding master race here..
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Games + most of the engineering pro app --> windows/linux
otherwise, mac is good to own if you got the budget.
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windows=free service packs/ directx11 nuff said(IMO) : P
Desktop:
intel proc/Asus mobo /Windows OS
Laptop:
Intel proc/MacbookPro/osxWindows OS
osx=pay for service packs example:10.4 10.5 10.6 10.7 (or whatever mountain snow safari animal cat they are on)
as much as i hate it i must admit mac hardware in portable form is the best.
Technically OS X 10.4, 10.5, 10.6, 10.7 and 10.8 are not service packs, they are different versions of the operating system.
Apple do offer operating system upgrades equivalent to service packs, hence Snow Leopard went from 10.6.0 to 10.6.8, Lion up to 10.7.5 and Mountain Lion to 10.8.2.
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A lot of people get all butthurt over the fact that people pay the insane prices for macs, but they also don't seem to understand that not everyone lives paycheck to paycheck.
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Macs generally have higher resale value too.
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Both.
OSX-productivity.
Windows- gaming.
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Whoever it was that started the slogan "Don't Be Evil"
I think it was Google which has turned out to be seriously evil, anyway
As I understand that concept, Apple is far more evil even than Microsoft, but both have serious "evil" issues.
Linux, and I have mostly stuck with Ubuntu, has very little "evil" but seems to be crippled in a world where 99% of everybody else subscribes to the Evil Ones.
I would love to move into a Windows-free, Apple-free realm, but there are just too many things that JUST DON'T WORK!
So, I use Windows 7 and Firefox (Chrome is probably better, but I feel the need to keep some tad of my soul free of Google) and dual boot into Ubuntu xLTS when I can, on my desktop and laptop
I recently got a very nice Android phone, but I would love to find a realistic way to be able to be "agnostic" in every possible venue.
Dreaming, I know.
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I don't have a hard drive at the moment so I've been booting Puppy. Normally go with Arch, or Debian if the machine is older. Linux isn't for everyone and I don't think it should be, although for those with little money a free, simple, and open distro needs to be available. For most people Windows or OS X remain a very usable choice that does everything they need their computer to do. And thank the good lord for that or the IT sector would be in the tank! Imo the net is where large corporate monopolies pose a tangible threat but that's for another thread.
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Both.
OSX-productivity.
Windows- gaming.
5 five
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All three
Windows: Gaming/Development
Linux: Development
Mac: Music/Development
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Well, Canonical's Amazuntu is a bit evil. I sometimes agree, sometimes disagree with RMS, but this time he's right (http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do) like no other.
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I am using both but I prefer OSX since it just works. Never had any problems with my mac compared to my windows PC.
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Just going to say this aero bsucks and im glad its not in win8.
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Takin' the bait. They make nice phones though, if not vastly overpriced.
...how old is that picture now?
the one thing I will say for microsoft...they keep dragging their old stuff along so nothing breaks....or ever moves on (I'm currently maintaining code used by > 2000 people daily written in vb3 in 1996)...they actually put the vb6 runtime into win 8...dear lord WHY!!!
at least apple has the decency to shoot stuff in the head when its obviously suffering :))
as for mac's being more expensive.... honestly I've tried to configure a Dell box to the same sort of spec as an iMac and can barely shave £100 off it, most of the money for that goes in the screen...and they are good compared to the regular monitors wheeled out by all and sundry
theres my logs on the fire any how
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Takin' the bait. They make nice phones though, if not vastly overpriced.
...how old is that picture now?
the one thing I will say for microsoft...they keep dragging their old stuff along so nothing breaks....or ever moves on (I'm currently maintaining code used by > 2000 people daily written in vb3 in 1996)...they actually put the vb6 runtime into win 8...dear lord WHY!!!
at least apple has the decency to shoot stuff in the head when its obviously suffering :))
as for mac's being more expensive.... honestly I've tried to configure a Dell box to the same sort of spec as an iMac and can barely shave £100 off it, most of the money for that goes in the screen...and they are good compared to the regular monitors wheeled out by all and sundry
theres my logs on the fire any how
Buildings especially specing out a system better that a iMac isnt hard at all because with it your paying for an all in one form factor which no one who is going to use there computer for anything real significant should want.
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Buildings especially specing out a system better that a iMac isnt hard at all because with it your paying for an all in one form factor which no one who is going to use there computer for anything real significant should want.
just tried (very quickly) to get something from dell that matches (there abouts) the spec on a 27 inch iMac, came to $1814
had to get an alienware x51 + UltraSharp U2711 + web cam + sound bar
its all well and good being able to get new bits for your machine should you want to, but if your starting for the point of needing a new machine any how....
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Buildings especially specing out a system better that a iMac isnt hard at all because with it your paying for an all in one form factor which no one who is going to use there computer for anything real significant should want.
just tried (very quickly) to get something from dell that matches (there abouts) the spec on a 27 inch iMac, came to $1814
had to get an alienware x51 + UltraSharp U2711 + web cam + sound bar
its all well and good being able to get new bits for your machine should you want to, but if your starting for the point of needing a new machine any how....
I can easily build a full custom rig for cheaper and i think your looking at the wrong form factor with the alienware x51 still too compact to use decent parts.
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If your windows is slowing down, you're running too many resource heavy processes. Easily remedied by optimizing using msconfig, uninstalling unused programs, and practicing safe browsing habits. (If you use a virtual machine to browse, then you are part of the master class.) You also can't expect Aero to run beautifully if your Windows Aero performance score is 4/8. That's like expecting a corolla to perform like a ferarri.
The kind of people who buy a computer and just expect them to work are the perfect candidates for Apple products. All products made by Apple work seamlessly with each other, and and it just works.
That being said, I'm sure there are master class mac users as well, and and they probably use the platform for specific ends unfathomable to me. Fan boys are so myopic that it doesn't occur to them that the mission drives the gear. What works for them might not work for everyone else. Like someone else said, for photo manipulation, Apple is the industry standard. But at the same time, someone who isn't pro can achieve comparable results with a Korean IPS monitor (Thunderbolt display reject) and a working knowledge of Photoshop.
I'm gonna end this post by saying people will tend to tout the operating system they use best. People who wanna run chain commands prolly will be dual booting Linux with Windows to get their game on. People who like pretty things and value simplicity gravitate toward Apple. Gamers and people who grew up using Windows unwilling to learn another set of shortcuts will stick with Microsoft. Pick your clan and be happy :D
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Use whatever you like, but to vehemently argue the great superiority of only one is asinine. It's like arguing that one brand and style of clothing is the only way to go and there is no reason to ever wear different brands or styles. I've used a few dozen OSs and they can all work fine. It just depends on what you want to do with your PC (yes, Macs are Personal Computers too) and what your personal preference is. The argument that "Macs just work" is silly (as is saying any other platform does.)
I'll agree that's it's fun watching people get so worked up and start spewing all over the place.
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There was too many arguments to read so here is my unbiased opinion. I own a macbook pro with retina display as well as a gaming PC with windows 7 that I built (both equally are my loves). I jump from one to the other multiple times daily and from my own personal experience they excel at different things. As far as desktops go windows is definitely the way to go. Anything from games to most software simply is less hassle on a PC. Anybody that complains about it getting slow or having issues needs to download free anti-virus software and take better care of their computer. I've literally never had a problem with this computer (or my past gaming PC on vista (which was considered garbage)).
As far as macs go they make EXCELLENT laptops. Something I don't think windows will really achieve. They designed these things to be fast and portable and that's exactly what they do. Not to mention the nice aluminum finish they have that makes them stand out. As far as software goes however I would not ever imagine my macbook to properly play games or things of the sort (even though it has the power for it). It does do very well with Photoshop and other Adobe products if that's what you're interested in. Works perfectly for me in school but not so much for my leisure time (gaming and multitasking) unless I want to just lounge around the house to work on photoshop assignments or browse the internet.
P.s. I apoligize for the lack of commas they key is temporarily out of service lol
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Windows Forever!
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With Steam on Mac now, there is an increasing range of games available. I play Portal 2 and HalfLife 2 on either Mac or Windows depending on mood and whichever one happens to be closest at the time.
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I say both, and more. More is always good. My main computer for productivity is my 2012 Mac Mini. My main PC for gaming is the Win 7 PC I built myself and upgrade every year or so (some part or another). And I have my Linux PC for HDTV, my NetBSD (pfSense) PC firewall, my Synology NAS, and my historical computers (SGI Indy, Sun Sparc 20, HP PA-RISC 712/100, NeXT Turbo Color, Mac G4, Color Classic, SE/30, G4, 128k, IIgs, //c+).
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I say both, and more. More is always good. My main computer for productivity is my 2012 Mac Mini. My main PC for gaming is the Win 7 PC I built myself and upgrade every year or so (some part or another). And I have my Linux PC for HDTV, my NetBSD (pfSense) PC firewall, my Synology NAS, and my historical computers (SGI Indy, Sun Sparc 20, HP PA-RISC 712/100, NeXT Turbo Color, Mac G4, Color Classic, SE/30, G4, 128k, IIgs, //c+).
Pfsense is built on top of FreeBSD not NetBSD. Good stuff though. Where's your Commodore Vic 20 and Apple IIe? :) Nice little collection. Vintage PCs are fun! Post some pics.
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Which one do you like better? Or do you use Linux instead? I personally prefer using Microsoft Windows. It has a superior GUI, and is much faster and more secure than Mac OS X. I do own 7 Macs, however. They all run classic Mac OS though.
I do think that Amiga OS was way better for its time then any other OS out there.
But since its 2013 i stick with Windows. As a matter of fact, i just love to be in charge of the hardware an aspect that Apple does not give me. I hate to be constrained in that regard.
I did however had several macs in my lifetime. They were nice computers and the OS was good. 9 was just an insult but X was something really good to come.
Still, the way Apple went with its platform made me less of an enthusiastically user and to me Windows will be the platform of choice.
For everyone else, just run with whatever you personally happy. Linux is great too but i never liked the desktop really.
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I prefer the MAC OS in general, as well as ubuntu, but windows for gaming.
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i really wish gaming would move to linux so i can jump ship from windows but they dont seem to like nonfree game software taking over...
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i really wish gaming would move to linux so i can jump ship from windows but they dont seem to like nonfree game software taking over...
I haven't checked myself, but have you tried steam for linux? it opened up gaming as a real thing in linux a while ago. It was bloated with bugs, but at least they closed the gap between gamers across platforms.
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Linux. I'm on Arch, but anything with rolling release and a large enough repo for the software I want is fine.
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i really wish gaming would move to linux so i can jump ship from windows but they dont seem to like nonfree game software taking over...
I haven't checked myself, but have you tried steam for linux? it opened up gaming as a real thing in linux a while ago. It was bloated with bugs, but at least they closed the gap between gamers across platforms.
lol it doesnt matter if steam move to linux when there are no games worth playing. its the same situation as when steam came to osx
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I prefer Linux for stability, windows for gaming, and OSX for *nix managment, since I don't have to remember DOS and Unix commands. I always type ls etc for Windows, and it never works. I did find that when I installed WinAVR that some commands were enabled like ls etc, however.
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At home I run Linux, Slackware and Ubuntu. I just wanted the Ubuntu box up and running, but am looking to migrate it to Debian whenever I have the time to figure it out. I have my main machine dual booting so that I can game, but honestly can say I haven't used Windows at home in months.
At work, it's all Windows. Ubuntu is starting to be used more, but there is a lot of culture resistance against moving away from Windows.
From my observations, OS's are like hammers. If you're roofing, you use a roofing hammer. If you're driving a steak into the ground, use a sledge hammer. I personally am an enthusiast, and like the control of Linux, even if it means all my time is spent RTFM.
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Ubuntu is currently my primary.
Little bit of Arch.
Server runs FreeBSD.
Play some Windows games.
Mac Mini for media center duties.
I was primarily Mac, but I missed having a real package manager. I found myself using mostly free software, anyway.
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macports?
fink?
even pkgsrc?
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It's not the same, by a long shot. You can't upgrade the entire system. It's just easier to use [insert distro].
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I was primarily Mac, but I missed having a real package manager. I found myself using mostly free software, anyway.
Homebrew?
It's not the same, by a long shot. You can't upgrade the entire system. It's just easier to use [insert distro].
The Mac App Store takes care of system updates.
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The Mac App Store takes care of system updates.
For stuff that's actually there. I had tons of software downloaded from the internet, with a mind of its own. I hate constant "update now?" messages.
With Ubuntu, most of what I need's in the repositories. If not, you can probably tack on a PPA. Homebrew and Macports are okay, but they aren't a complete solution.
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It depends on what you expect. I find Homebrew on my Mac to be a pretty complete solution, combined with the App Store.
I got way more update notifications on my Ubuntu box than anything else. Although that was a few years ago.
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Yeah depends what you need. I just couldn't have 20 different things phoning home for updates. Not on a general purpose desktop, with lots of software installed.
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Yeah depends what you need. I just couldn't have 20 different things phoning home for updates. Not on a general purpose desktop, with lots of software installed.
That ship has already sailed. Use a smartphone? You probably have heaps of apps constantly phoning home on there. I'd be more worried about these.
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It's not about privacy, like I'm paranoid. I mean they update on their own accord. Usually when you start them up, which is annoying.
They are not in tune with a system apparatus for updates, otherwise known as a package manager. :)
The way software is handled on phones, is actually much better.
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(http://cdn.motinetwork.net/demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/1012/mac-mac-shave-bowling-pin-pc-demotivational-posters-1292500538.jpg)
I prefer Linux, but I have a bunch of work related stuff that only runs on Windows, for example vendor specific IP - PBX management software and managed services software, that uses stupid exe's instead of a web browser, has no Linux(or Mac) equivalent and doesn't run well on Wine.
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My primary computer runs Windows now. I used to run Mint but I've become complacent and lazy, so back to Windows! I use Windows for my desktop (gaming) for obvious reasons.
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(http://i.imgur.com/TmbYOFK.jpg)
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Is both an option?
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Gentoo Linux on my laptop and desktop.
At work it's all windows and I'm a CTO and chief sysadmin.
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Mac is too simplified for me so I go Windows, but we edit at Final Cut Pro X (weird for a company right?) for run and gun interviews so we go mac. Still prefer PC though :)
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I always wondered. Even if i were willing to buy a Mac (they are cute aren't they) i only could afford an iMac which is an All-In_one computer. Nothing wrong with that per se. But since everything is in one unit, once for example the screen fails the whole computer is gone to repair.
Also there not as powerful as a full fledged computer.
For all my life i used 90% of my time a PC or a system that i could expand at my will. With a Mac thats not that possible. I do regard Mac's as good computers but i am not sure if they would serve me as well as a good pc.
And yes, gaming was one of the things that are important to me as well. I don't use Steam really anymore but rather GOG. The good thing is i play mostly older games but from time to time i would also play something new maybe.
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I always wondered. Even if i were willing to buy a Mac (they are cute aren't they) i only could afford an iMac which is an All-In_one computer. Nothing wrong with that per se. But since everything is in one unit, once for example the screen fails the whole computer is gone to repair.
Indeed, that could happen. On the other hand, I am currently typing this on a 24" iMac that dates back to April 2008. In 5 years it's had one hard drive failure (annoyingly, but perhaps predictably, just out of warranty), which lost me 4 hours of time (enough to go to the local computer shop, buy a new drive, install it, and restore from time machine to where I was 4 hours earlier).
Also there not as powerful as a full fledged computer.
WTF have you been smoking?
Compared to a lowest-common-denominator tower cased beige box, perhaps, slightly less powerful. I'll certainly grant you "less expandable". On the other hand, they are reliable, attractive, and *silent*.
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I always wondered. Even if i were willing to buy a Mac (they are cute aren't they) i only could afford an iMac which is an All-In_one computer. Nothing wrong with that per se. But since everything is in one unit, once for example the screen fails the whole computer is gone to repair.
Indeed, that could happen. On the other hand, I am currently typing this on a 24" iMac that dates back to April 2008. In 5 years it's had one hard drive failure (annoyingly, but perhaps predictably, just out of warranty), which lost me 4 hours of time (enough to go to the local computer shop, buy a new drive, install it, and restore from time machine to where I was 4 hours earlier).
Also there not as powerful as a full fledged computer.
WTF have you been smoking?
Compared to a lowest-common-denominator tower cased beige box, perhaps, slightly less powerful. I'll certainly grant you "less expandable". On the other hand, they are reliable, attractive, and *silent*.
Well, i think i meant graphically. At least thats my impression. Do you game? I ask because this is somewhat important to me since i don't play much on consoles. I don't worry about older games since i can... wait, you can install Windows on it too, right? So you can play all the catalog of Windows gaming anyway.
My PC is now 7 years old and my old Nvidia GT8800 still runs ok for most of the stuff. But it isn't great for newer games anymore. At least not in high resolution.
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Both. Linux if I'm programming.
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reliable
[citation needed]
attractive
subjective (I'd choose Dell/HP/Lenovo workstation any day over a macintrash, based on looks.)
*silent*
Nope. Source: We have a lab full of iMacs in school.
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Windows has games.
I like games.
Therefore, I like windows.
Linux is free.
I like free.
Therefore, I like Linux.
OsX is fancy.
I like fancy
Therfore, I like OsX.
Pretty simple really.
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Well, i think i meant graphically. At least thats my impression. Do you game? I ask because this is somewhat important to me since i don't play much on consoles.
Not much, but everything I've thrown at this, it can handle. But the iMac has what's effectively a laptop graphics setup. I think the current lineup is GTX 660M / 675M, which is probably not significantly (i.e. factors of performance) better than your current setup.
Simon
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I am a Mac user with no plans to switch, though I use Windows regularly as a secondary OS at work.
As much of a techie as I am, I like to do things with my computers, not do things to them. In other words, I hate doing system administration, and Windows demands way too much such handholding to keep running smoothly. ("Just run msconfig" someone said above. OK. But my Mac requires none of that, it just keeps working well on its own.)
I suffered through 3.5 years of Windows at my last job. I liked a lot of the design of the Windows 7 UI, but there are lots of little user interface details that are wrong -- especially in third-party software Microsoft has no control over. On the Mac, even third-party software tends to be consistent, which results in a lower cognitive load when using new software or switching between apps. (At that job, I had to use a specialized text editor on Windows that had really weird text selection behavior -- different from Word or Mac. It drove me nuts because I always had to remember "Oh, I'm in Program X, I can't use the same keyboard shortcuts and mouse gestures that work EVERYWHERE ELSE.)
Moreover, in those 3.5 years, I ran into problem after problem. I'm not a professional Windows sysadmin and I don't want to be. I never did figure out the causes of all the problems (some I did, but not all). I would have really liked Windows 7, had it functioned as designed. But whatever the reasons, it didn't work right -- I had problems nobody else in the office had -- and that ruined the experience. I have little doubt that a gifted Windows sysadmin could have fixed some or all of those problems, but I didn't have such a person available.
And this is coming from someone who is damned good with computers. A casual user like my mom would be hopelessly lost with those Windows issues and would either resign herself to accepting that "computers just don't work" or to paying someone to come fix it all the time. Her Mac just works, and her friends think she's this computer genius because of the things she does with it.
Someone said early in this thread that (s)he uses Windows and Linux and that the Mac is "unintuitive". Well, yeah, if you approach it as Windows (or Linux, which tends to clone Windows more than Mac). Intuitiveness means "work how I expect", so if you expect Windows behavior and it behaves like a Mac, you'll find it "hard", because the Mac isn't Windows and will not behave like it. The reverse is equally true. Malfunctions aside, neither one is really much easier than the other, but you will always find your "home" platform to be easier than another.
As for cost: Macs cost the same as comparable non-homemade PCs, by which I mean not only specs but also quality. That, for me, pretty much narrows things down to Lenovo's business products (which I think are fantastic hardware). When I bought my Mac Pro (tower, not notebook) in 2008, it cost $1000 less than a lesser-configured Dell Precision Xeon workstation. And now, 5 years later, that Mac Pro still works, has similar benchmark scores to this year's top-of-the-line i7 iMac (except I've enjoyed that performance for 5 years already!), and still has a residual value of $1500. That works out to an annual amortization of about $500/yr. (Not including the regular hard drive upgrades to house my ever-growing TV collection.) That's fantastic long-term value, even if the upfront price was high.
What Apple doesn't do is make entry-level hardware. It begins at midrange and goes up from there.
For me, Linux's achilles heel (as far as mass-market adoption) is usability. In particular, one of the core tenets of good usability is consistency, both within apps and between them. The Apple developer tools and, above all, developer culture strongly encourage consistency. The Windows tools and culture, significantly less so. And on Linux, not at all -- there is no central body with any kind of authority to create, never mind enforce*, UX guidelines. I don't think that a high level of consistency is compatible with the distributed development model of OSS. This isn't intended as an attack, just an observation of an unavoidable consequence of OSS.
*(Microsoft enforces incredibly strict guidelines for the Ribbon. If you want to use it -- it's patented -- you have to sign a license agreement that requires you to adhere to 200 pages of design rules.)
When all is said and done, though, I think it's petty to try and proclaim one winning platform. They each have different strengths and weaknesses which emerged because of the radically different goals and values of their creators and the circumstances under which they evolved. It means that there's a good system for everyone, and that no system is right for everyone. Pick the one you like best and move on -- and let me enjoy the system that works right for me without picking on me for it.
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I'd argue that Win7 has by far the best UI of all modern OS's simply becasue of how easy the taskbar is to navigate and how with one key press you can search (effeicentally) your entire machine for files/programs.
I think Win 7 is the best Windows ever, though I am partial to Mac.
FYI, the Mac has had instant systemwide search (which, frankly, works better than Win 7's) since early 2005. You just press Command-spacebar and start typing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)
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My computer use is quite modest. A little web, a litte email, music sometimes, gaming is perhaps my main enjoyment.
Thats why i am pondering how easy it is to play for example windows games on a mac.
I do use Windows 7 right now and to be honest, yes it is better than everything that came before. But there is not much that i can see thats really awesome about it.
There is however some software i really like. For example i still use Dopus on my desktop. It just grown on me from the past as i had an Amiga.
Whats important too is that i can use Firefox. I know that on the iPhone any other browser has to use the plain standard engine which makes it slower than safari. Not sure how it is on iOS in comparison.
To me its a lot of possibilities and i am over to upgrade my computer all the time. For that i don't do much anymore. Right now i play Baldurs Gate 2 which is quite old.
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I went Mac when Apple started using the Intel chip. Bought several machines (Macbook Pro, iMac, etc...) and have enjoyed the experience so much that I have never thought of "going back". I believe the quality to be of midrange to better, pricing to match, the software overall (OSX and 3rd party) to be better integrated and usability to be far more consistent, and I've had a great hardware experience as well regarding dependability.
There are drawbacks, nothing is perfect. I've had to use VMWare to emulate Windows to run an architecture program, a bookkeeping/check writing/report generating program and trade-specific software. And, I'm sure somewhere in the mix I'm getting ripped off with something I'm not even aware of. But that being said, I'm pretty happy and look forward to continuing the positive experience with a machine upgrade soon. The latest 27" iMacs are looking pretty good about now.
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I'd argue that Win7 has by far the best UI of all modern OS's simply becasue of how easy the taskbar is to navigate and how with one key press you can search (effeicentally) your entire machine for files/programs.
I think Win 7 is the best Windows ever, though I am partial to Mac.
FYI, the Mac has had instant systemwide search (which, frankly, works better than Win 7's) since early 2005. You just press Command-spacebar and start typing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)
Win7 has a similar search tool, only u press one key to activate it ;)
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osx for everything but gaming.
win7pro for gaming and nothing else.
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CONCESSION
Cost: I have a hard time with the "Apple upgrades" in Apples checkout. The hard drive and ram upgrades are crazy expensive and turn me off. Easy enough to get around (upgrade your own ram, use external hard drive...but you shouldn't have to.
Customization/non-Apple upgrades: Extremely difficult to do, if at all.
I have balanced these concerns (mostly) with all the positives of the Apple experience I've had since switching. Trade-off I'm willing to make.
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Well before i make a purchase of any kind i need still to know how gaming is. Mostly with older titles..
Regarding upgrade, what upgrade? If you have an iMac an upgrade is very limited. Mostly ram, harddrive. Not sure even if its still possible since it supposed to be glued. (from what i heard)
I used to have the BondiBlue iMac and i took that thing apart. There was a gfx upgrade possible but expensive and not really worth it.
A tower is out of reach for me and i think it would be an overkill for what i really do. But there are more upgrades possible. At least in theory.
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I'd argue that Win7 has by far the best UI of all modern OS's simply becasue of how easy the taskbar is to navigate and how with one key press you can search (effeicentally) your entire machine for files/programs.
I think Win 7 is the best Windows ever, though I am partial to Mac.
FYI, the Mac has had instant systemwide search (which, frankly, works better than Win 7's) since early 2005. You just press Command-spacebar and start typing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)
Win7 has a similar search tool, only u press one key to activate it ;)
"Similar" but inferior in practice. (I found it to be much worse at searching within files.)
And if pressing one keyboard shortcut (Command-spacebar) is too much effort for you, just go in and change it to some unused single key, like F15.
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Customization/non-Apple upgrades: Extremely difficult to do, if at all.
Mostly the case, though I've been surprised on some things. Because there are only a handful of models, 3rd parties are more incentivized to build custom things. Of course, for the latest Airs and perhaps parts of the iMac, that's not the case. But on my ~1.5year old MacBook Pro, I was able to take out the CD drive and replace it with a special mount for a 2nd hard drive for instance. Other than that, pretty much only thing I do is upgrade RAM. And then, I never buy it from Apple... always OWC (http://macsales.com/), who has been around forever. (They're also where I bought the CD->Harddrive mount, SSDs, etc.)
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I'd argue that Win7 has by far the best UI of all modern OS's simply becasue of how easy the taskbar is to navigate and how with one key press you can search (effeicentally) your entire machine for files/programs.
I think Win 7 is the best Windows ever, though I am partial to Mac.
FYI, the Mac has had instant systemwide search (which, frankly, works better than Win 7's) since early 2005. You just press Command-spacebar and start typing. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotlight_(software)
Win7 has a similar search tool, only u press one key to activate it ;)
"Similar" but inferior in practice. (I found it to be much worse at searching within files.)
And if pressing one keyboard shortcut (Command-spacebar) is too much effort for you, just go in and change it to some unused single key, like F15.
I find it works just fine for me, don't have a problem finding things when I search for them... and I don't need to change anything becasue I don't have a mac...
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There is a nice useful tool for Windows. Launchy. Easier than the usual way to key command.
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similar to , "whats the better color? red or blue?"
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Purple!
(That really is my favorite color!)
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I find it works just fine for me, don't have a problem finding things when I search for them
I'm glad it works for you. When I had to use it, I found it to be a reliable program launcher but a wretched file content search.
and I don't need to change anything becasue I don't have a mac...
Huh? It's not a platform issue, the key binding is purely a matter of personal preference. I've never found any need to change it from Command-spacebar, but could if I wanted to. I assume you could change it on Windows if you don't like using the Windows key.
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Or if you have a winkeyless keyboard.
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Good call!
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reliable
[citation needed]
Wikipaedophiles out.
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Gentoo Linux on my laptop and desktop.
At work it's all windows and I'm a CTO and chief sysadmin.
Arch Linux is also great if you are into over configuring your systems. I got tired of Gentoo, Arch, and other technical Linux distros because I found that I spent more time tuning my system when it was already working how I wanted it, instead of actually using it. Those type of distros are so customizeable that they can become a time vampire. Crunchbang is my current favorite, it's GUI is pretty minimal(less is more for me), relatively easy to customize, and best of all doesn't come with tons of bloat.
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Mac (again), because: plug in a new keyboard (same keyboard in both instances), Mac says "press this key, press that key, ok, good to go" and Windows says "new hardware has been detected, you must reboot to use your new hardware".
Bleah.
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MACS SUCK. THERE IS NO REASON TO LIKE THEM BETTER THAN WINDOWS. YOU ARE WRONG!!!!
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Mac (again), because: plug in a new keyboard (same keyboard in both instances), Mac says "press this key, press that key, ok, good to go" and Windows says "new hardware has been detected, you must reboot to use your new hardware".
Bleah.
Wait, mac makes you press keys? I knew windows had stupid hardware detection, but mac does too? Damn. When I had a mac forever and a half ago I guess I never bothered with non stock keyboards.
On my linux box I plug in a keyboard and it works as a keyboard. No wizards, no detection, no pressing keys to set up, no popup messages, nothing. It just works as a keyboard. I can plug in literally any keyboard I own that has usb (Even self made ones like my edox and teensy modded wyse) and it works without even bothering to tell me.
I mean if you plug in new headphones they'll work on anything without the computer even bothering to mention you plugged in new headphones, why should keyboards be different? Or does windows take five minutes to recognize new cans (and does mac make you listen to a few test sounds)?
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I KNOW I NEVER HAD ANY DUMB HARDWARE WIZARDS WHEN I CONNECTED DIFFERENT KEYBOARDS TO WINDOWS PC'S. THEY ALWAYS WORKED.
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I KNOW I NEVER HAD ANY DUMB HARDWARE WIZARDS WHEN I CONNECTED DIFFERENT KEYBOARDS TO WINDOWS PC'S. THEY ALWAYS WORKED.
Pretty much any time I have to use a windows machine for whatever reason it does some setting up device thing when I plug in my board and takes around 30 seconds. When I plug in a keyboard on my linux box, it's instant. I could be holding down a key as i plugged in in and it would register.
No wizard, but the wait is irritating.
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I USUALLY PLUG IN MY KEYBOARD BEFORE I START UP THE COMPUTER. MOST OF THEM ARE EITHER AT OR PS/2, SO THEY DON'T TAKE ANY TIME AT ALL TO LOAD DRIVERS IN WINDOWS.
USB KEYBOARDS CAN BE A BIT OF A PAIN IN WINDOWS XP, BUT THEY'VE MADE IT A LOT BETTER IN WINDOWS 7 I NOTICED.
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I use Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows, depending up the work that I need to do, but my primary and most frequent OS is Mac OS X. At home, I have a Dell PC running Linux, a Mac mini running Windows 7 under Bootcamp, and a Mac mini running OS X. At work, I have three workstations running Linux, two Mac Pros running OS X, and a workstation running Windows 7.
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linux
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I use Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows, depending up the work that I need to do, but my primary and most frequent OS is Mac OS X. At home, I have a Dell PC running Linux, a Mac mini running Windows 7 under Bootcamp, and a Mac mini running OS X. At work, I have three workstations running Linux, two Mac Pros running OS X, and a workstation running Windows 7.
MAC OS X IS TOTALLY UNCOOL
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Windows is just a fancy crappy os. If The regiaters gets damage/corrupted your are done. Osx is by far more stable/reliable than crappy windows. For servers linux base by far better than crappy windows
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Windows is just a fancy crappy os. If The regiaters gets damage/corrupted your are done. Osx is by far more stable/reliable than crappy windows.
WINDOWS IS NOT CRAPPY! IT IS SUPREME. OS X IS UNSTABLE AND UNRELIABLE. IT IS ALSO VERY SLOW AND ONLY RUNS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SOFTWARE. WINDOWS ALSO BOASTS A FAR SUPERIOR GUI.
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Man, osx unstable lol lol.
Windows is just a fancy crappy os. If The regiaters gets damage/corrupted your are done. Osx is by far more stable/reliable than crappy windows.
WINDOWS IS NOT CRAPPY! IT IS SUPREME. OS X IS UNSTABLE AND UNRELIABLE. IT IS ALSO VERY SLOW AND ONLY RUNS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SOFTWARE. WINDOWS ALSO BOASTS A FAR SUPERIOR GUI.
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It is unlikely that a registry gets damaged. In all the years i use a windows version, i never encountered a situation like this.
Stability is in the eye of the beholder. True with windows 98 i've seen sometimes the blue screen but today i never ever see this screen ever.
Preferences are preferences.
But i am not with the rest of us who has money to buy an actual apple product.
Personally i don't even care because all i want is to play certain games and so far, not all of the can be played on either osx or linux.
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Try not to feed the troll, especially when he is shouting - you will only get sprayed with crumbs.
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Man, osx unstable lol lol.
Windows is just a fancy crappy os. If The regiaters gets damage/corrupted your are done. Osx is by far more stable/reliable than crappy windows.
WINDOWS IS NOT CRAPPY! IT IS SUPREME. OS X IS UNSTABLE AND UNRELIABLE. IT IS ALSO VERY SLOW AND ONLY RUNS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF SOFTWARE. WINDOWS ALSO BOASTS A FAR SUPERIOR GUI.
THE ONLY THING I CAN RELY ON MAC OS X FOR IS TO BE SLOW AND CRASH. SO THAT IS WHY I USE WINDOWS 3.1 AND 98.
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98 first edition, right?
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Try not to feed the troll, especially when he is shouting - you will only get sprayed with crumbs.
True. I got tempted :-[
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I'm a Windows guy but I wouldn't mind getting that little Mac Mini what it's called for my first Mac.
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I'm a Windows guy but I wouldn't mind getting that little Mac Mini what it's called for my first Mac.
I'm multi-OS, but among Linux, Mac OSX and Windows, I prefer OS X for daily use. At home, my Windows machine is a Mac mini running Windows 7 under Bootcamp, and everything runs fine. The Mac mini is a nice and capable little machine.
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Windows, I would like to try Linux but I feel I may lose out on features/ compatibility and such.
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Windows, I would like to try Linux but I feel I may lose out on features/ compatibility and such.
A WISE CHOICE! WINDOWS IS A GOOD OPERATING SYSTEM. LINUX ISN'T TOO BAD EITHER, BUT WINDOWS IS COOLER. BUT DON'T USE MAC OS X!
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Another multi os user over here, on my PC I have Windows 8 and Xubuntu, my MBA has OSX and Xubuntu. I like the lightness of OSX, and the intuitiveness of the trackpad for mobile use, and the fact that it's very linux like while still allow me to run mainstream commercial software. I use Xubuntu on my machines for programming mainly, using geany and the avr toolchain. I use Windows 8 for gaming, ms office and autodesk inventor.
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MAC OS X IS NOT LIGHT. IS SLOWER THAN MOLASSES! IF YOU WANT A LIGHT MAC OS, GET SYSTEM 6. THAT'LL RUN ON A MAC PLUS.
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microsoft windows: Have you actually used Mac OS X?
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microsoft windows: Have you actually used Mac OS X?
YES I HAVE. I USED IT AND IT RUNS TERRIBLY. IT IS SLOW AND HOGS UP TOO MANY RESOURCES. THAT IS WHY I USE WINDOWS. WINDOWS IS CLEARLY A SUPERIOR OPERATING SYSTEM IN EVERY WAY. THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD NOT USE MAC OS X. WINDOWS IS THE WINNING SOLUTION FOR THE COMPUTING OF THE FUTURE. YOU SHOULD USE WINDOWS ON EVERY COMPUTER YOU HAVE.
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You are waisting your time, just take a look at his avatar and alias
microsoft windows: Have you actually used Mac OS X?
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You are waisting your time, just take a look at his avatar and alias
microsoft windows: Have you actually used Mac OS X?
Just curious if he would admit anything.
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Windows, I would like to try Linux but I feel I may lose out on features/ compatibility and such.
A WISE CHOICE! WINDOWS IS A GOOD OPERATING SYSTEM. LINUX ISN'T TOO BAD EITHER, BUT WINDOWS IS COOLER. BUT DON'T USE MAC OS X!
In what is (I'm pretty sure) total facetiousness, you're actually articulating my own genuine opinions.
Windows is way cooler. And the older and more wonky the version, all the more so. Macs used to be okay before OSX (loved programming on my Apple ][e); now they are just for abjectly hipster sheep.
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IMO, Mac OS X is a bit frustrating, this coming from a person who has literately used windows since age 3. When I click on the red X, why won't the program close?! And also, I find the multitasking irritating. Why must I sort through a bunch of icons on the side, even including apps that aren't even open?
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To each his own. To me, part of the beauty of OS X is the internal structure based on unix, which greatly facilitates my scientific work. I use OS X alongside linux, and occasionally I use Windows for specific applications. The situation is similar with choosing any tool. When I go into my workshop, I use a hammer for driving nails and a screwdriver for turning screws, but I do not regard the hammer as generically better than the screwdriver.
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You usually don't have to sign an EULA to use your hammer, do you?
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Windows.
8 on my desktop build and 7 on my netbook. Very pleased with 8, even more than with 7 tbh. The only thing bothering me is that 3dcc is not working for 8 :/
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You usually don't have to sign an EULA to use your hammer, do you?
Ya got me! :)
No, but my ladder is a different story. I fear if I were to remove all the warning labels, the ladder might collapse.
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Windows and various distributions of Linux.
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Windows and various distributions of Linux.
Same here
I have windows on my main machine, because it's a shared computer and no one else wants to use linux. They also don't think that I'm able to setup a successful dual boot.
Other than that, my brother's laptop runs 'buntu(x or u)
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YOU ALL ARE MAKING GOOD OPERATING SYSTEM CHOICES. WINDOWS IS ALWAYS THE WAY TO WIN AT COMPUTING!
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Windows !
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I like the Apple laptops, mostly for the very nice trackpad and its gestures. Although I ran Windows 7 on it as well when I had one.
Finder (windows explorer for mac) was terrible though. No up-one-level button, could only copy, not cut, files...
I run Ubuntu from a USB 2 stick some days, I like it more and more as most of what I do is within a Chrome browser anyways.
I think I'll be on Windows 7 for a while though, I really do like it.
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Windows all the way.
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I like the Apple laptops, mostly for the very nice trackpad and its gestures. Although I ran Windows 7 on it as well when I had one.
Finder (windows explorer for mac) was terrible though. No up-one-level button, could only copy, not cut, files...
I run Ubuntu from a USB 2 stick some days, I like it more and more as most of what I do is within a Chrome browser anyways.
I think I'll be on Windows 7 for a while though, I really do like it.
I use Linux (Linux Mint 13 64-bit with KDE 4.11.1 desktop), Mac OS X (10.8.4), and Windows 7. They are all excellent all-around operating systems, and they each have specific strengths in certain areas. I use OS X most often; one of its useful features is its integration with unix. You can also easily move, copy, or delete files or directories using the GUI or the command line in OS X, just as you can do with Linux or Windows. One reason I use OS X and Linux more than Windows is that I like to have my home directory on a different physical drive from my other directories; this can be done in Windows, but I found it much easier to do in OS X or Linux.
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Windows FTW.
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I like the Apple laptops, mostly for the very nice trackpad and its gestures. Although I ran Windows 7 on it as well when I had one.
Finder (windows explorer for mac) was terrible though. No up-one-level button, could only copy, not cut, files...
I run Ubuntu from a USB 2 stick some days, I like it more and more as most of what I do is within a Chrome browser anyways.
I think I'll be on Windows 7 for a while though, I really do like it.
APPLE LAPTOPS ARE TERRIBLE! AND THEIR TRACKPADS ARE HORRENDOUS! TRACKPOINTS WIN ALL THE WAY! WINDOWS 7 IS GOOD THOUGH! JUST DON'T USE MAC OS X!
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Windows FTW.
YOU ARE CORRECT! WINDOWS IS FOR THE WIN IN EVERY COMPUTING SITUATION.
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Windows all the way.
SMART CHOICE!
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Windows FTW.
YOU ARE CORRECT! WINDOWS IS FOR THE WIN IN EVERY COMPUTING SITUATION.
You mean win for Microsoft, but noone else, right? Actually, probably some corrupt politicians as well.
Nearly all TOP500 supercomputers run Linux, and the biggest stock exchanges have moved to Linux as well. So much for "EVERY COMPUTING SITUATION".
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Windows FTW.
YOU ARE CORRECT! WINDOWS IS FOR THE WIN IN EVERY COMPUTING SITUATION.
You mean win for Microsoft, but noone else, right? Actually, probably some corrupt politicians as well.
Nearly all TOP500 supercomputers run Linux, and the biggest stock exchanges have moved to Linux as well. So much for "EVERY COMPUTING SITUATION".
WINDOWS WILL WIN. END OF STORY. IT WILL WIN IN EVERY SINGLE COMPUTING SITUATION ON THE PLANET.
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Just curious , how many years have you been using windows?
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WINDOWS!
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WINDOWS!
GOOD CHOICE!
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Please do not tell me that you are using windows mobiles
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Please do not tell me that you are using windows mobiles
What are you using?? A mac??
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Similar kernel a bsd base one ;-)
Please do not tell me that you are using windows mobiles
What are you using?? A mac??
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I end up using Linux, Windows, and sometimes OSX in any given day. Personal favorite is Linux, but they all have their uses.
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I end up using Linux, Windows, and sometimes OSX in any given day. Personal favorite is Linux, but they all have their uses.
EXCEPT FOR MAC OSX. THE ONLY USE FOR THAT IS THE SOFTWARE CD'S MAKE GOOD DOORSTOPS.
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Please do not tell me that you are using windows mobiles
I USE WINDOWS CE ON MY MOBILE DEVICES
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Please do not tell me that you are using windows mobiles
I USE WINDOWS CE ON MY MOBILE DEVICES
I actually quite liked WinCE.
Now I wince at the thought ;)
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I don't know whay anyone would use an old Windows system anywhere.
The time i "had" to use Windows was with DOS 4.01 (i think) and Windows 3.11. It was sometimes a pain. Memory issues were rampant.
This was the time many people switched from their homecomputers to the so called standard Windows.
One thing that was nice, was that there was a demo scene on Windows machines. Demos meaning artistic demonstrations of graphic and sound. One of the things that puzzled me that this was not happening on a Mac since this was an artistic machine.
Windows 98SE was good but i remember to see a lot of times BSOD. The first real version that was actually really good was XP and before that i assume 3.11.
Today one has only 3 choices which is either Windows, OSX or Linux. Since OSX requires you to buy a Mac the initial cost is a big barrier for many. This was always the case. Even the first iMac was not that cheap and you had to feel good about to have a actually small monitor.
I always thought that Windows came closer to, in my case, Amiga'ish feeling with a computer. Most software i knew ran on it. And most importantly, you were in control of the system and were able to customize your own hardware a thing that is not really possible with a Mac. Not sure today but in the early days you were able to switch maybe the graphicscard and/or the cpu or at least add another cpu on top of the old one with a board.
Linux on the other hand was great. Open system that gives you all the power you ever need. Problem for me was that not many games (i am a gamer) ran on linux or with either sacrifices or not at all.
And i am not that nerd that sits for days on the computer to figure it out.
That changed today somewhat especially that Steam is available on Linux.
Still, Linux lagged some programs like newsgroups software (i am done with that now) but at that time that was a bummer. There were only a handful available and these had not all the features you could get on Windows.
Not a biggie for others, for me it was. I felt that linux was catching up softwarewise at the time i used it. Today i still have the problem with my webcam which surprisingly doesn't work if i install for example ubuntu.
Anyway, i still think that using an outdated system is questionable. I did like MSDOS 5 but i am not sure if i could connect even to the internet with that. And i do plan to run at one point Windows 8. :) I know there are many critics out there but i don't care.
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Windows 8 is actually quite nice, I'm running it right now. Do I use the Metro interface? Not at all. I also went out and got the Start button from Stardock, so it's pretty nice now.
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I use Linux (Linux Mint 13 64-bit with KDE 4.11.1 desktop), Mac OS X (10.8.4), and Windows 7. They are all excellent all-around operating systems, and they each have specific strengths in certain areas. I use OS X most often; one of its useful features is its integration with unix. You can also easily move, copy, or delete files or directories using the GUI or the command line in OS X, just as you can do with Linux or Windows. One reason I use OS X and Linux more than Windows is that I like to have my home directory on a different physical drive from my other directories; this can be done in Windows, but I found it much easier to do in OS X or Linux.
You can drag and drop files in Finder (OS X), but that involves having two windows open (one in the source folder and the other in the destination folder), and not overlaying. This is made harder by not having an up-one-level button. Or, you can copy the files, paste them in the new folder, then delete the originals; this writes duplicates to your HDD though, further fragmenting it.
And I have my Home folder on a second drive as well... I think it took a few minutes to set up, but less than 5 minutes for all of them, and that was only once I had to do it. I spend a lot more time copying files ;)
Being able to install Ubuntu on a USB drive and run it no problem, even saving files and settings, is my favorite aspect of Linux (not mentioning its price).
I much prefer the mouse acceleration of windows vs mac, but the trackpad acceleration of mac is nicer. I use and enjoy Windows, Mac, and Linux, and enjoy the benefits each have to offer.
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Windows 8 is actually quite nice, I'm running it right now. Do I use the Metro interface? Not at all. I also went out and got the Start button from Stardock, so it's pretty nice now.
GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE NOT USING MAC OS X. WINDOWS IS THE WAY TO GO!
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I'll only ever touch a Mac if I need to test a website we've just made, that's it. Windows all the way.
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If a mac was the only computer on earth that I could use, I'd use it just for long enough to put Arch on it.
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I use Linux (Linux Mint 13 64-bit with KDE 4.11.1 desktop), Mac OS X (10.8.4), and Windows 7. They are all excellent all-around operating systems, and they each have specific strengths in certain areas. I use OS X most often; one of its useful features is its integration with unix. You can also easily move, copy, or delete files or directories using the GUI or the command line in OS X, just as you can do with Linux or Windows. One reason I use OS X and Linux more than Windows is that I like to have my home directory on a different physical drive from my other directories; this can be done in Windows, but I found it much easier to do in OS X or Linux.
You can drag and drop files in Finder (OS X), but that involves having two windows open (one in the source folder and the other in the destination folder), and not overlaying. This is made harder by not having an up-one-level button. Or, you can copy the files, paste them in the new folder, then delete the originals; this writes duplicates to your HDD though, further fragmenting it.
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I much prefer the mouse acceleration of windows vs mac, but the trackpad acceleration of mac is nicer. I use and enjoy Windows, Mac, and Linux, and enjoy the benefits each have to offer.
You can drag and drop files in OS X Finder using only a single window if you like, although I find it handy simply to open two windows. You can also select whether to copy the file/folder or to move the file/folder. I usually use column view in Finder, which make it easy to use the file/folder options that I use most often. Regarding HDD fragmentation, since version 10.2, this tends not to happen to a significant degree. There is a good article on this: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375
Like you, I use and enjoy all the major OSs, including Windows, Mac, and Linux. I do not worry about one of them being superior to the others; they are each tools with different ranges of applicability, and it is good to have a healthy attitude like yours to use each OS as it suits you.
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Not a biggie for others, for me it was. I felt that linux was catching up softwarewise at the time i used it. Today i still have the problem with my webcam which surprisingly doesn't work if i install for example ubuntu.
Nearly all webcams that support UVC work more or less flawlessly, the others not so much. See http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/
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Windows... ever since Windows 95 --> 98 --> then got 2000 --> then got XP --> skipped Vista --> Windows 7 --> 8 is ok.. (still highly prefer 7)
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If a mac was the only computer on earth that I could use, I'd use it just for long enough to put Arch on it.
GOOD THINKING!
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I'll only ever touch a Mac if I need to test a website we've just made, that's it. Windows all the way.
THAT'S THE WAY TO GO! MAC OS X IS A FAILURE AND NOBODY SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO IT.
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Windows... ever since Windows 95 --> 98 --> then got 2000 --> then got XP --> skipped Vista --> Windows 7 --> 8 is ok.. (still highly prefer 7)
GOOD CHOICE!
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Windows! Because it can withstand any scam attacks...
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WELL, IF YOU USE A MAC THAT YOU BOUGHT, YOU'VE ALREADY FALLEN FOR A SCAM.
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I laugh when scammers go to the trouble of mocking up a Windows dialog box pretending that my computer is infected and I should click the pretty button to clean my computer.
On Windows it looks genuine. On a Mac I just ignore it.
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Like you, I use and enjoy all the major OSs, including Windows, Mac, and Linux. I do not worry about one of them being superior to the others; they are each tools with different ranges of applicability, and it is good to have a healthy attitude like yours to use each OS as it suits you.
If only more tech forum members see things as you do, there would be many more intelligent discussions rather than personal attacks. :thumb:
Geekhack is generally quite good for this, from my experience.
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Like you, I use and enjoy all the major OSs, including Windows, Mac, and Linux. I do not worry about one of them being superior to the others; they are each tools with different ranges of applicability, and it is good to have a healthy attitude like yours to use each OS as it suits you.
If only more tech forum members see things as you do, there would be many more intelligent discussions rather than personal attacks. :thumb:
Geekhack is generally quite good for this, from my experience.
You must be new here ;
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I laugh when scammers go to the trouble of mocking up a Windows dialog box pretending that my computer is infected and I should click the pretty button to clean my computer.
On Windows it looks genuine. On a Mac I just ignore it.
WHY WOULD YOU USE A MAC? THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO USE A MAC, ESPECIALLY WITH MAC OS X. MACS ARE STUPID. GET WINDOWS 98!
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Linux
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Like you, I use and enjoy all the major OSs, including Windows, Mac, and Linux. I do not worry about one of them being superior to the others; they are each tools with different ranges of applicability, and it is good to have a healthy attitude like yours to use each OS as it suits you.
If only more tech forum members see things as you do, there would be many more intelligent discussions rather than personal attacks. :thumb:
You mean people ought to ignore ethics and morality...? Pathetic.
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If a mac was the only computer on earth that I could use, I'd use it just for long enough to put Arch on it.
have fun acquiring all the software you need to make a functional OS; that being the only computer, i'd hazard a guess that there are no more repositories left.
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If a mac was the only computer on earth that I could use, I'd use it just for long enough to put Arch on it.
have fun acquiring all the software you need to make a functional OS; that being the only computer, i'd hazard a guess that there are no more repositories left.
YOU COULD INSTALL IT FROM FLOPPY DISKS.
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I end up using Linux, Windows, and sometimes OSX in any given day. Personal favorite is Linux, but they all have their uses.
EXCEPT FOR MAC OSX. THE ONLY USE FOR THAT IS THE SOFTWARE CD'S MAKE GOOD DOORSTOPS.
Interesting Microsoft, didn't expect you to be tolerant of Linux...or is it just that you hate Apple so much more?
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I laugh when scammers go to the trouble of mocking up a Windows dialog box pretending that my computer is infected and I should click the pretty button to clean my computer.
On Windows it looks genuine. On a Mac I just ignore it.
WHY WOULD YOU USE A MAC? THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO USE A MAC, ESPECIALLY WITH MAC OS X. MACS ARE STUPID. GET WINDOWS 98!
Because OS X just works. It gets out of the way and lets me get on with my work.
I have to fight with Windows all the time.
I've more or less gone past the point of tinkering with an OS to get it working the way I like. OS X already does that. Windows does not. Linux does not (most common GUIs on Linux need more tweaking than Windows btw).
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Windows via Boot Camp
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I laugh when scammers go to the trouble of mocking up a Windows dialog box pretending that my computer is infected and I should click the pretty button to clean my computer.
On Windows it looks genuine. On a Mac I just ignore it.
WHY WOULD YOU USE A MAC? THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO USE A MAC, ESPECIALLY WITH MAC OS X. MACS ARE STUPID. GET WINDOWS 98!
Because OS X just works. It gets out of the way and lets me get on with my work.
I have to fight with Windows all the time.
I've more or less gone past the point of tinkering with an OS to get it working the way I like. OS X already does that. Windows does not. Linux does not (most common GUIs on Linux need more tweaking than Windows btw).
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Windows via Boot Camp
Windows runs well on many Apple hardware.
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Because OS X just works. It gets out of the way and lets me get on with my work.
[...]
Linux does not (most common GUIs on Linux need more tweaking than Windows btw).
lolwut?
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Windows via Boot Camp
Windows runs well on many Apple hardware.
SO WHY PAY EXTRA MONEY FOR THE APPLE HARDWARE WHEN WINDOWS WILL RUN JUST AS WELL ON CHEAPER COMPUTERS?
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I laugh when scammers go to the trouble of mocking up a Windows dialog box pretending that my computer is infected and I should click the pretty button to clean my computer.
On Windows it looks genuine. On a Mac I just ignore it.
WHY WOULD YOU USE A MAC? THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO USE A MAC, ESPECIALLY WITH MAC OS X. MACS ARE STUPID. YOU SHOULD SWITCH TO WINDOWS TODAY!
Because OS X just works. It gets out of the way and lets me get on with my work.
I have to fight with Windows all the time.
I've more or less gone past the point of tinkering with an OS to get it working the way I like. OS X already does that. Windows does not. Linux does not (most common GUIs on Linux need more tweaking than Windows btw).
YEAH, MAC OS X JUST WORKS....TERRIBLY! WINDOWS WORKS THE WAY EVERYBODY SHOULD LIKE. ESPECIALLY WINDOWS 2000.
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Windows via Boot Camp
Windows runs well on many Apple hardware.
SO WHY PAY EXTRA MONEY FOR THE APPLE HARDWARE WHEN WINDOWS WILL RUN JUST AS WELL ON CHEAPER COMPUTERS?
I would pay the extra money and run OS X on it, to get the bestest experience.
I laugh when scammers go to the trouble of mocking up a Windows dialog box pretending that my computer is infected and I should click the pretty button to clean my computer.
On Windows it looks genuine. On a Mac I just ignore it.
WHY WOULD YOU USE A MAC? THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO USE A MAC, ESPECIALLY WITH MAC OS X. MACS ARE STUPID. YOU SHOULD SWITCH TO WINDOWS TODAY!
Because OS X just works. It gets out of the way and lets me get on with my work.
I have to fight with Windows all the time.
I've more or less gone past the point of tinkering with an OS to get it working the way I like. OS X already does that. Windows does not. Linux does not (most common GUIs on Linux need more tweaking than Windows btw).
YEAH, MAC OS X JUST WORKS....TERRIBLY! WINDOWS WORKS THE WAY EVERYBODY SHOULD LIKE. ESPECIALLY WINDOWS 2000.
Thought you were promoting Windows 98 this week?
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WINDW
Windows via Boot Camp
Windows runs well on many Apple hardware.
SO WHY PAY EXTRA MONEY FOR THE APPLE HARDWARE WHEN WINDOWS WILL RUN JUST AS WELL ON CHEAPER COMPUTERS?
I would pay the extra money and run OS X on it, to get the bestest experience.
I laugh when scammers go to the trouble of mocking up a Windows dialog box pretending that my computer is infected and I should click the pretty button to clean my computer.
On Windows it looks genuine. On a Mac I just ignore it.
WHY WOULD YOU USE A MAC? THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO USE A MAC, ESPECIALLY WITH MAC OS X. MACS ARE STUPID. YOU SHOULD SWITCH TO WINDOWS TODAY!
Because OS X just works. It gets out of the way and lets me get on with my work.
I have to fight with Windows all the time.
I've more or less gone past the point of tinkering with an OS to get it working the way I like. OS X already does that. Windows does not. Linux does not (most common GUIs on Linux need more tweaking than Windows btw).
YEAH, MAC OS X JUST WORKS....TERRIBLY! WINDOWS WORKS THE WAY EVERYBODY SHOULD LIKE. ESPECIALLY WINDOWS 2000.
Thought you were promoting Windows 98 this week?
OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM. WINDOWS, ON THE OTHER HAND, FEATURES LEGENDARY, AWARD-WINNING PERFORMANCE AND COMPATIBILITY. AND IT'S MUCH SMARTER.
WINDOWS 98 IS PRETTY GOOD, BUT WINDOWS 2000 IS GOOD TOO. I RUN BOTH OPERATING SYSTEMS ON MANY COMPUTERS IN MY PERSONAL FLEET.
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Windows via Boot Camp
Why?
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
I ALREADY DID. MAC OS X SUCKS. THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN CHALLENGE THAT; IT IS THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH.
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kids... (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/assets/FallaciesPosterHigherRes.jpg)
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Windows via Boot Camp
Why?
Possibly becasue Apple make the best laptops on the market (hardware wise). If I had the money it's what I would probably do.
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Windows via Boot Camp
Why?
Possibly becasue Apple make the best laptops on the market (hardware wise). If I had the money it's what I would probably do.
No, they don't. They make the worst laptops on the market. Windows laptops are infinitely superior.
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Windows via Boot Camp
Why?
Possibly becasue Apple make the best laptops on the market (hardware wise). If I had the money it's what I would probably do.
No, they don't. They make the worst laptops on the market. Windows laptops are infinitely superior.
And there was me thinking you'd turned caps lock off and got some common sense back ;)
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Are you trying to suggest that he had common sense?
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Are you trying to suggest that he had common sense?
Steve Jobs never had any common sense!
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Windows via Boot Camp
Why?
Apple makes the best laptops on the market[citation needed]
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Windows via Boot Camp
Why?
Apple makes the best laptops on the market[citation needed]
There ya go!
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After having come to the PC from an Amiga back in '93 I went through DOS6, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT4, Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
At that point I decided to switch to Linux as I was working as a web developer at that time and I preferred to have the same environment on my workstation and the server.
Sadly that's pretty much the only thing I found working really well on Linux. Sure, WoW did run moderately well in Wine, and there were a few other games for Linux as well, but music production - especially when it includes recording instruments - was just a general pain in the backside.
That's when I switched to Mac OS - first on PC hardware ("hackintosh") and later I bought a real Mac.
I think all three have their pros and cons and for my personal needs the Mac is my preferred platform. I do work with Windows 7 PCs at work though and they do their jobs just fine as well.
Whatever gets the job done best.
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After having come to the PC from an Amiga back in '93 I went through DOS6, Windows 3.1, Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows NT4, Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
At that point I decided to switch to Linux as I was working as a web developer at that time and I preferred to have the same environment on my workstation and the server.
Sadly that's pretty much the only thing I found working really well on Linux. Sure, WoW did run moderately well in Wine, and there were a few other games for Linux as well, but music production - especially when it includes recording instruments - was just a general pain in the backside.
That's when I switched to Mac OS - first on PC hardware ("hackintosh") and later I bought a real Mac.
I think all three have their pros and cons and for my personal needs the Mac is my preferred platform. I do work with Windows 7 PCs at work though and they do their jobs just fine as well.
Whatever gets the job done best.
I think i can agree with you somewhat. Since its all personal preferences there is no right platform.
I do too came from the Amiga landscape but i always had a personal hesitancy in regards to Mac's. Partly because there computer were overpriced and still are and Apple Talk at the time was not without its faults. Somewhere i mentioned it before, but i like open platforms. The Amiga itself was not that open either but you were able to replace parts, expand it with no problem. I do not like the closed system Apple offers. That said, that doesn't mean that it is bad. Its just not made for me.
Anyway, i did not use Hackintosh but got told to try it out. Maybe sometime in the future i will try it out.
I do think that this topic is actually redundant. Everyone has a personal favorite where he feels this is the system. For me its the pc and today i don't see even Windows as "that" enemy as it was back in the day. Today its pretty much all a grey area.
People are very passionate on everything. Can't argue with that.
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
stahp
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
stahp
I was wondering whether he actually had anything of substance to back up this sort of vacuous bleating.
Obviously not.
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
stahp
I was wondering whether he actually had anything of substance to back up this sort of vacuous bleating.
Obviously not.
Do you have any facts to back up your claim that OS X is the best OS ever? It 'gets out of your way' is the best I've seen yet.
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
stahp
I was wondering whether he actually had anything of substance to back up this sort of vacuous bleating.
Obviously not.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SUBSTANCE EITHER. YOU JUST LIKE TO USE A PIECE OF CRAP FOR YOUR OPERATING SYSTEM WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE IS USING WINDOWS. YOU SHOULD GET WINDOWS TOO! ONCE YOU'VE GONE WINDOWS, THERE IS NO GOING BACK!
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
stahp
I was wondering whether he actually had anything of substance to back up this sort of vacuous bleating.
Obviously not.
Do you have any facts to back up your claim that OS X is the best OS ever? It 'gets out of your way' is the best I've seen yet.
THERE ARE NO FACTS TO BACK IT UP. THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BACK UP SAYING THAT THE WORST OPERATING SYSTEM IS THE BEST IS LIES.
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
I DON'T HAVE TO. WINDOWS IS ALREADY THE BEST. TRY AND PROVE THAT IT ISN'T.
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OS X WILL NOT GIVE YOU THE BEST EXPERIENCE. IT WILL GIVE YOU THE WORST EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT IS A PATHETIC FAILURE OF AN OPERATING SYSTEM.
Please justify this.
stahp
I was wondering whether he actually had anything of substance to back up this sort of vacuous bleating.
Obviously not.
at this point i seriously can't tell if you're just trolling ME
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Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
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Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
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Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
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Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
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Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
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Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
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Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY HACKINTOSHES EITHER! YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MAC OS X IS SO PATHETIC THAT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO RUIN THEIR GOOD PC WITH IT ANYWAYS.
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The reason why is because osx does not support as many peripherals/devices as windows and it will require a large effort to port them.
Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY HACKINTOSHES EITHER! YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MAC OS X IS SO PATHETIC THAT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO RUIN THEIR GOOD PC WITH IT ANYWAYS.
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The reason why is because osx does not support as many peripherals/devices as windows and it will require a large effort to port them.
Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY HACKINTOSHES EITHER! YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MAC OS X IS SO PATHETIC THAT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO RUIN THEIR GOOD PC WITH IT ANYWAYS.
MAC OS X IS ALSO DESIGNED TO WORK WITH CRAPPY PERIPHERALS THAT WERE DESIGNED BY IDIOTS (APPLE'S POINTING DEVICES COME TO MIND). THAT'S WHY IT HAS SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH DECENT PERIPHERAL SUPPORT.
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The reason why is because osx does not support as many peripherals/devices as windows and it will require a large effort to port them.
Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY HACKINTOSHES EITHER! YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MAC OS X IS SO PATHETIC THAT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO RUIN THEIR GOOD PC WITH IT ANYWAYS.
MAC OS X IS ALSO DESIGNED TO WORK WITH CRAPPY PERIPHERALS THAT WERE DESIGNED BY IDIOTS (APPLE'S POINTING DEVICES COME TO MIND). THAT'S WHY IT HAS SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH DECENT PERIPHERAL SUPPORT.
Y U NO LIKE TOUCH GESTURES?
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The reason why is because osx does not support as many peripherals/devices as windows and it will require a large effort to port them.
Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY HACKINTOSHES EITHER! YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MAC OS X IS SO PATHETIC THAT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO RUIN THEIR GOOD PC WITH IT ANYWAYS.
MAC OS X IS ALSO DESIGNED TO WORK WITH CRAPPY PERIPHERALS THAT WERE DESIGNED BY IDIOTS (APPLE'S POINTING DEVICES COME TO MIND). THAT'S WHY IT HAS SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH DECENT PERIPHERAL SUPPORT.
Y U NO LIKE TOUCH GESTURES?
BECAUSE MACS ARE STUPID.
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The reason why is because osx does not support as many peripherals/devices as windows and it will require a large effort to port them.
Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY HACKINTOSHES EITHER! YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MAC OS X IS SO PATHETIC THAT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO RUIN THEIR GOOD PC WITH IT ANYWAYS.
MAC OS X IS ALSO DESIGNED TO WORK WITH CRAPPY PERIPHERALS THAT WERE DESIGNED BY IDIOTS (APPLE'S POINTING DEVICES COME TO MIND). THAT'S WHY IT HAS SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH DECENT PERIPHERAL SUPPORT.
Y U NO LIKE TOUCH GESTURES?
BECAUSE MACS ARE STUPID.
THE SAME THING MAKES SENSE FOR LATEST MS WINDOWS.
BTW I've dealt with networking issues on a friend's laptop today... again. MS Windows' GUI is abysmal—and solving some obscure problems nearly impossible, because there simply isn't enough information. The best way to go about it is actually to reboot to GNU/Linux. It's still PITA at times, but at least you can debug stuff, file bugs and kick developers in the face (or buy them a beer ^-^).
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The reason why is because osx does not support as many peripherals/devices as windows and it will require a large effort to port them.
Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY HACKINTOSHES EITHER! YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MAC OS X IS SO PATHETIC THAT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO RUIN THEIR GOOD PC WITH IT ANYWAYS.
MAC OS X IS ALSO DESIGNED TO WORK WITH CRAPPY PERIPHERALS THAT WERE DESIGNED BY IDIOTS (APPLE'S POINTING DEVICES COME TO MIND). THAT'S WHY IT HAS SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH DECENT PERIPHERAL SUPPORT.
Y U NO LIKE TOUCH GESTURES?
BECAUSE MACS ARE STUPID.
THE SAME THING MAKES SENSE FOR LATEST MS WINDOWS.
BTW I've dealt with networking issues on a friend's laptop today... again. MS Windows' GUI is abysmal—and solving some obscure problems nearly impossible, because there simply isn't enough information. The best way to go about it is actually to reboot to GNU/Linux. It's still PITA at times, but at least you can debug stuff, file bugs and kick developers in the face (or buy them a beer ^-^).
MACS GO TO JUPITER TO GET MORE STUPIDER
WINDOWS GO TO MARS TO GET CANDY BARS
OH WAIT...I THOUGHT MACS COULDN'T GET ANY STUPIDER THAN THEY ARE ALREADY?
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Windows, Mac, and Linux. Which do I have a Mech for though ATM.. Windows! :)
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I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
It's merely a troll, as you have guessed. "Plonk" it.
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The reason why is because osx does not support as many peripherals/devices as windows and it will require a large effort to port them.
Oftentimes it does not pay to rise to the bait.
I was curious if he was serious, but he and his minion are just trollin' away.
it's a fact that windows is better. if only for the reason that it's more easily pirated...
OSX is for kids.
Every one here is probably running pirated windows...
But everyone here has also bought a copy a some point... with their pcs.
Actually Mac OS is more easily pirated - no activation or licence keys or anything.
not it is not... you got incompatibilities Everywhere.... windows will run on anything...
If you have drivers for it.
Same with OS X - if you have compatible hardware (and Apple only officially support their own hardware) then it runs fine. Look how many Hackintoshs there are around.
AND THERE AREN'T TOO MANY HACKINTOSHES EITHER! YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MAC OS X IS SO PATHETIC THAT NOBODY WOULD WANT TO RUIN THEIR GOOD PC WITH IT ANYWAYS.
MAC OS X IS ALSO DESIGNED TO WORK WITH CRAPPY PERIPHERALS THAT WERE DESIGNED BY IDIOTS (APPLE'S POINTING DEVICES COME TO MIND). THAT'S WHY IT HAS SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH DECENT PERIPHERAL SUPPORT.
So is thanks to fanboy like you that thunderbolt is not around :S
Now i know who hate if there isen't thunderbolt everywhere :(
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on topic: neither.
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I use Mac, Linux and Windows. They each have their good points.
I spend most time in Windows, though, because..... GAMES!
Yeah, Minesweeper and Freecell, baby! Or is that Minecraft and Splinter Cell? Oh well..
I still think there is room in the market for one more OS. Designed around responsiveness for gaming, with Windows binary compatibility, Linux security and MacOS style app configuration (app self contained in folder, no registry).
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I use Mac, Linux and Windows. They each have their good points.
I spend most time in Windows, though, because..... GAMES!
Yeah, Minesweeper and Freecell, baby! Or is that Minecraft and Splinter Cell? Oh well..
I still think there is room in the market for one more OS. Designed around responsiveness for gaming, with Windows binary compatibility, Linux security and MacOS style app configuration (app self contained in folder, no registry).
haha Minesweeper!! :thumb: :thumb:
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windows at home. linux at work.
Why anyone would use a mac for anything is beyond me. All macs are now is intel chips of yesteryear put in a minimalist case to ensure that the human interface is as crippled as possible.
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windows at home. linux at work.
Why anyone would use a mac for anything is beyond me. All macs are now is intel chips of yesteryear put in a minimalist case to ensure that the human interface is as crippled as possible.
Well said!
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windows at home. linux at work.
Why anyone would use a mac for anything is beyond me. All macs are now is intel chips of yesteryear put in a minimalist case to ensure that the human interface is as crippled as possible.
Yea I hate that most design firms use them because I prefer windows or Ubuntu
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I hate most design firms because they use Adobe software as well. Adobe needs to die!
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Agreed. Microsoft paint is a much better program than photoshop.
I used OSX exclusively for a few years, and I am pleased to say that the nightmare is over :D Well it wasn't that bad, but I much prefer linux and windows, and when it comes to portability of programs... well good thing I never really encounter macs anyway. I will say this about apple though: my family's imac suffered a hard drive failure. This was a known issue for the model. It was under warranty, and Apple replaced it with another one that was known to have the same issue. The hard drive failed again. Thank you Apple.
I also hate the dock.. what a waste of space. The first thing I would do if I was on OSX would be to nuke it.