Reading about this on CNN. This is a very very sad and ****ed up.
My condolences goes out to all of the families affected by this.
These are children.
They will need counseling for many years. No doubt of that.
Any if they got the shooter(s)?Shooter is dead, another person potentially involved is in custody.
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/14/shooting-reported-at-connecticut-elementary-school/?hpt=hp_t1
Latest news is that an entire class is still unaccounted for...
I hate it when they commit suicide the moment they meet resistance. They deserve so much more.
Man I have a kid in kindergarden. This is so disturbing. Makes me want to lock him in the house.
This is just too horrible. It's crazy there are sick people like this out there.
Let me tell you a story. The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. "Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. "But what about 'Basketball Diaries'?" she asked. "Doesn't that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?" The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it's unlikely the Columbine killers saw it.
The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."
In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference
For all you know we just lost some.
As another person that lives right down the road from Newtown, this has changed nothing about my idea of Newtown's 'safeness' level. It also doesn't change how I feel in my own town. These are the kinds of events that do not in any way reflect the type of town they end up happening in.
The unfortunate truth is that while the security *standards* at schools in this area have been enough to stop this from happening for some time now, the level of compliance by those responsible is lacking. The doors are locked and you must get buzzed in by the secretary, but quite often they don't pay attention to who is at the door.
For all you know we just lost some.
HIGHLY unlikely..... However if they shot up the math department of any ivyleague, that would be certain lose of immense brain power.
His mom wasn't at work, turns out the body at home was mom.
Very broken since she was dead before he went after the class so if that was his idea he didn't think it through.
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference
not true.
better gun control would help. but removable wouldn't.
I think chris rock said it best, bullet should be $1000 each, there would no longer be any innocent bystanders that get hurt or unintentional victims.
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference
not true.
better gun control would help. but removable wouldn't.
Why not? IMO it's more difficult to kill the innocent with a pocket knife than with a gun.
as you stated, a psych evaluation should be mandatory. a simple "oh, you aren't a felon just pay the fee" isnt enough IMO.
FTR, I'm not a pro-gun NRA nut. But I'm not against them either. If a person wants to cause damage, they'll find a way.
If a person wants to cause damage, they'll find a way.
If a person wants to cause damage, they'll find a way.
I like Ice-T's point on this.
In short, life sucks and is gay and is only for ***s 'cause we all just ham hocks waitin' to get popped on the block.
complete removal of firearms would've made a huge difference
not true.
better gun control would help. but removable wouldn't.
Why not? IMO it's more difficult to kill the innocent with a pocket knife than with a gun.
because you can still acquire guns illegally? you also have the pro-gun side saying (and they have a point) "well, if we could CCW (carry a concealed weapon), somebody would have stopped it."
as you stated, a psych evaluation should be mandatory. a simple "oh, you aren't a felon just pay the fee" isnt enough IMO.
FTR, I'm not a pro-gun NRA nut. But I'm not against them either. If a person wants to cause damage, they'll find a way.
I am with people who don't like guns, even though I own them. In fact, I wish there wasn't a single possible method for any human to hurt or kill another human being which existed. But unfortunately, this is not the case.
Sadly, there is not nor will there ever be a single gun control law which actually hinders criminals. In fact, nearly every gun control we already have enables them. Every school is a gun-free zone, which means teachers with guns in their cars have to park far away and no good citizens who work there can concealed-carry. Concealed-carry laws make it so honest citizens cannot carry guns in places where criminals can. Strict measures on purchasing guns make it FAR easier for Joe Criminal to just go to his buddy down the street to buy his weapon.
Deadly weapons are an unfortunate reality of life. Just ask the U.S. government - they kill children in the middle east all the time. But you never hear Americans freaking out over them. The point of the second amendment is that the ability of citizens to arm themselves is literally their last defense against tyranny. So if you want good citizens to disarm, I say fine, but we must start with the government first. Let's disarm our national "defense" which is murdering people in foreign countries and making us less safe. And let's disarm our police too...not all cops are good and there are arguably a lot more sheepdogs in society, who aren't cops, who would do whatever it took to save someone's life if they didn't have to be concerned about being sued or going to jail.
The only difference between government and criminals is that when the government commits crime, we legitimize it.
Well the "tyranny line" is not just a line though - it's true. Americans should disarms only when the government disarms.
I have issues with parts of this. I can't put my finger on why I have these issues, but it's like a primal ...thing in the back of my mind. I don't agree with America, as a nation, being the world police that it's come to today and I'm not saying that children aren't caught in the tragedy or that those lives are somehow less than US children's, but just something about how you say "kill children in the middle east all the time" like the aim of the military involvement in the middle east is to kill children, rubs me the wrong way, much like the picture posted in another thread.
I have issues with parts of this. I can't put my finger on why I have these issues, but it's like a primal ...thing in the back of my mind. I don't agree with America, as a nation, being the world police that it's come to today and I'm not saying that children aren't caught in the tragedy or that those lives are somehow less than US children's, but just something about how you say "kill children in the middle east all the time" like the aim of the military involvement in the middle east is to kill children, rubs me the wrong way, much like the picture posted in another thread.
i honestly don't see why that government rant was even in this thread but meh.
The only difference between government and criminals is that when the government commits crime, we legitimize it.
and you want to bring up ****ing drones.
C'mon bros....politics aside, kids died today.
now im starting to understand what malphas keeps saying.
My god.. This is just sick.. My condolences goes out to all of the families affected by this. The world is just so ****ed up nowadays.
My god.. This is just sick.. My condolences goes out to all of the families affected by this. The world is just so ****ed up nowadays.
hate to break it to you but, the world has always been ****ed up.
we just have more media coverage to bring it to your ears and eyes.
QuoteI have issues with parts of this. I can't put my finger on why I have these issues, but it's like a primal ...thing in the back of my mind. I don't agree with America, as a nation, being the world police that it's come to today and I'm not saying that children aren't caught in the tragedy or that those lives are somehow less than US children's, but just something about how you say "kill children in the middle east all the time" like the aim of the military involvement in the middle east is to kill children, rubs me the wrong way, much like the picture posted in another thread.
eh, you'll be wasting your time arguing with him.
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I have issues with parts of this. I can't put my finger on why I have these issues, but it's like a primal ...thing in the back of my mind. I don't agree with America, as a nation, being the world police that it's come to today and I'm not saying that children aren't caught in the tragedy or that those lives are somehow less than US children's, but just something about how you say "kill children in the middle east all the time" like the aim of the military involvement in the middle east is to kill children, rubs me the wrong way, much like the picture posted in another thread.
Dude, you need to look up about the drone bombings - it is like playing a video game with real people. They are murdering entire families over there. If you think they are trying to kill terrorists, I understand your position - but WHO is the terrorist? To me the terrorist can easily be seen as the guy who with most guns who is doing the most killing.
That's us, dude.
See and I want to disagree about the terrorist thing, but I can't. The military machine has, since essentially the fall of Berlin and the Axis, continued to manufacture some generic and amorphous fear to strengthen support at home for what are essentially violations of the Bill of Rights. In a perfect world, the old Teddy Roosevelt ideology would be the maximum of military presence for my comfort.Quote
It wasn't a rant - it was a valid point about the second amendment, and tjcaustin agreed with me about it!
This is true, I agree with a lot of the broad strokes of what you say. It's just there are things about what you say that make me uncomfortable. I don't want, and for the most part refuse to, believe that the current US government has become the evil that it claims to prevent.C'mon bros....politics aside, kids died today.
But see it is political though...it always is. It ANGERS me to see Obama go on tv and weep fake tears over American children killed when he simply goes back to killing innocent Arab children with drones. That ain't right dude. That ain't right at all. What's the difference between murder and foreign policy? This all goes back to my point about the second amendment. Everything is "ok" when the government does it.
This is an ideology problem between the two of us, I think. I believe that Obama does care about what's happened here at home just as strongly as I believe that children aren't the target of these drone assaults even though drone attacks shouldn't have the collateral damage they have. On the other hand, the enemy that instigated this decade plus involvement isn't a traditional enemy either and has proven cunning enough that the deaths of these children could be used to try and stir unrest and upheaval here at home to shatter us from within. This does not negate the fact that the children and even some adults that have died aren't innocent, but further reinforces that war is *not* good or just.
From here, I'm not comfortable using this as a platform for anything.
My god.. This is just sick.. My condolences goes out to all of the families affected by this. The world is just so ****ed up nowadays.
hate to break it to you but, the world has always been ****ed up.
we just have more media coverage to bring it to your ears and eyes.
My god.. This is just sick.. My condolences goes out to all of the families affected by this. The world is just so ****ed up nowadays.
hate to break it to you but, the world has always been ****ed up.
we just have more media coverage to bring it to your ears and eyes.
...If you're understanding malphas, I think we need to get back to discussing the importance of proper mental health identification and treatment.Absolutely! This will likely take much government involvement to implement as well as continued tax apportionment.
2) The tragic story of the 22 people injured in China with a knife makes me think "thank goodness they didn't have a gun". They all survived I believe.
Your signature says t all.
Put your differences aside. Most people don't understand, see and a lot of the times would disagree, but truth is we are all living animals with a conscience. If we just realize that we are organisms made of tissues and cells, most people "know" that but don't understand what they know. Take out your bias and take out your attachment. We are noting more than material, think I am wrong? Press your hands against your stomach, can you visualize anything under the skin? Try your head, jaw, hand... There is something under your skin and it is not an "everlasting soul". Who is going to remember you when you die one hundred years from now. One hundred years ago we had almost two billion, now we have a little more than seven billion. Chances are that we won't make an impact on the people of the future but if we treat the people we meet today with respect and love each other for just the fact we all have to live in this world and suffer the same pains.
Stop hating the things you do not have or the people that have what you want or the people you think is keeping what you want from you. Love what you have and love the the next person, no one asked to be in this world.
The "world" is all your perception, but if you make someone else's perception your's, your perception becomes the "world's".
You wouldn't bring a knife to a gun fight would you? They do indeed apprently seem necessary at times, officers after all do carry them.
Seriously, shut up about the politics behind this. That's the last thing we should be discussing right now.While there's something to be said for that, naturally the time after a tragedy like this is going to be the time when people's attention will be focused on preventing another tragedy like this.
it's not easy to accept that in the end we are only flesh and bones
conceled carry is for your own protection, not "as well as protecting the public trust" that's the police job. more guns wouldn't have theoretically helped this bad situation.
it's not easy to accept that in the end we are only flesh and bones
Well, there you are. Someone once said that the answer is not to make life softer, but to make people tougher. Guns woudn't be a problem if it took more potent weapons, the possession of which still is effectively controled (say, like thermonuclear warheads) to injure human beings.
This wouldn't involve restricting liberty, but adding to it.
What happens when no one has a gun?conceled carry is for your own protection, not "as well as protecting the public trust" that's the police job. more guns wouldn't have theoretically helped this bad situation.
Yea but if it worked, then it would work. Which is WHY we need sheepdogs out there, who CCW and are ready to rock and roll if and when, god forbid, their intervention is needed to save lives.
What happens when no one has a gun?
KL - please update your website.
What happens when no one has a gun?
That is the situation which I prefer as well, although unfortunately it will never happen. Guns and other instruments of death will always exist - they are mechanical devices created by human beings. I wish that wasn't the case but it is.
So instead of working towards a society where guns are not readily available you want more people to carry guns? America needs tovadmit that it has a gun problem, then it can start to deal with it.
crazy guy wanted to crazy kill ppl/kids. he was going to kill no matter what implement of death he decided to obtain, either by gun, bomb, knife or whatever has been used to kill in the entirety of the human race. ppl who say conceled carry would have prevented this are stupid too, your just gonna end up trading bullets and killing even more ppl.
It isn't just gun ownership but that factor allows these people to make a huge impact with minimal thought or effort.
Both relevant to this discussion:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/set-date-and-time-have-conversation-about-gun-policy-united-states/gzWCnDSX
The UK does have issues but they are relatively minor compared to those of the US and the EU which doesn't seem to have much longer left!
Both relevant to this discussion:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/set-date-and-time-have-conversation-about-gun-policy-united-states/gzWCnDSX
Both of those links are pure propaganda.
Both relevant to this discussion:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1 (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/mass-shootings-investigation?page=1)
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/set-date-and-time-have-conversation-about-gun-policy-united-states/gzWCnDSX (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/set-date-and-time-have-conversation-about-gun-policy-united-states/gzWCnDSX)
Both of those links are pure propaganda.The UK does have issues but they are relatively minor compared to those of the US and the EU which doesn't seem to have much longer left!
They are not minor issues at all. They are very significant structural issues which the majority of citizens aren't aware of only because of how rich your country is.
Of course they are. They disagree with your views and/or contain facts.
What problems do you refer to?
The UK's issues are more like practical problems that can be dealt with though (though I'm sceptical that they will be in a satisfactory manner) rather than deeply ingrained ****ed-up things the US has like retard fundamental Christians and their twisted moral compass, or rampant consumerism/materialism (everywhere has that obviously, but it's much worse there), or just societal hypocrisy in general.
Of course they are. They disagree with your views and/or contain facts.
The first one contains facts which are completely irrelevant.
The second one is just laughable. Like any of those petitions matter. If they did, Texas would have been given the green light to secede by now. People still think we live in a democracy. Stahp! This ain't no democracy!What problems do you refer to?
Your economical structure, likes ours, is not sustainable.
The UK's issues are more like practical problems that can be dealt with though (though I'm sceptical that they will be in a satisfactory manner) rather than deeply ingrained ****ed-up things the US has like retard fundamental Christians and their twisted moral compass, or rampant consumerism/materialism (everywhere has that obviously, but it's much worse there), or just societal hypocrisy in general.
What do you have against the fundamentalist Christians of modern-day America? I'd say they're worlds better than the fundamentalist Muslims halfway across the globe who spread hate, violence, and destruction.
Why isn't ours? We have a future and a (currently) shrinking welfare program.
What do you have against the fundamentalist Christians of modern-day America? I'd say they're worlds better than the fundamentalist Muslims halfway across the globe who spread hate, violence, and destruction.Yeah, thing is the fact you can find an item B worse than item A doesn't mean A is no longer bad. That's like if I complained about a pizza having anchovies and you saying "hey Malphas, what's wrong with anchovies? It's worlds better than dog feces".
What do you have against the fundamentalist Christians of modern-day America? I'd say they're worlds better than the fundamentalist Muslims halfway across the globe who spread hate, violence, and destruction.
They are the same thing.
haven't seen american fundamental christians in 9/11-like "breaking news". and luckily they haven't blown up a single person in here.The UK's issues are more like practical problems that can be dealt with though (though I'm sceptical that they will be in a satisfactory manner) rather than deeply ingrained ****ed-up things the US has like retard fundamental Christians and their twisted moral compass, or rampant consumerism/materialism (everywhere has that obviously, but it's much worse there), or just societal hypocrisy in general.
What do you have against the fundamentalist Christians of modern-day America? I'd say they're worlds better than the fundamentalist Muslims halfway across the globe who spread hate, violence, and destruction.
They are the same thing.
haven't seen american fundamental christians in 9/11-like "breaking news". and luckily they haven't blown up a single person in here.The UK's issues are more like practical problems that can be dealt with though (though I'm sceptical that they will be in a satisfactory manner) rather than deeply ingrained ****ed-up things the US has like retard fundamental Christians and their twisted moral compass, or rampant consumerism/materialism (everywhere has that obviously, but it's much worse there), or just societal hypocrisy in general.
What do you have against the fundamentalist Christians of modern-day America? I'd say they're worlds better than the fundamentalist Muslims halfway across the globe who spread hate, violence, and destruction.
They are the same thing.
To be honest, I was resisting the urge to make fun of KL for his more stereotypical Libertard exclamations.
Only because they haven't been pushed far enough. They share the same ideals and bigoted hatred.
Same thing.
it's like you go out of your way to be a complete jackass tp4.
As another person that lives right down the road from Newtown, this has changed nothing about my idea of Newtown's 'safeness' level. It also doesn't change how I feel in my own town. These are the kinds of events that do not in any way reflect the type of town they end up happening in.
The unfortunate truth is that while the security *standards* at schools in this area have been enough to stop this from happening for some time now, the level of compliance by those responsible is lacking. The doors are locked and you must get buzzed in by the secretary, but quite often they don't pay attention to who is at the door.
I would think that unless the standards actually included compulsory pat downs, he still would have had little trouble getting into the school as he was a son of one of the teachers, correct? I don't know about you, but when I visit my mom at work, I'm recognized and associated with familiar and safe. /shrug
Things should be scrutinized, of course, but this seems more like a freak occurrence than a complete failure of a system put in place.For all you know we just lost some.
HIGHLY unlikely..... However if they shot up the math department of any ivyleague, that would be certain lose of immense brain power.
As for you, it's like you want to be ripster 2.0 and that's all the energy I'll put into it.
Yeah, I think the point you don't get is that societal worth has got **** all to do with anything here and was only brought up by you. No-one is interested in your aspergers-driven attempts at philosophising or your inappropriate videogame analogies.it's like you go out of your way to be a complete jackass tp4.
I very much see the tragedy and feel that tug' at my chest when I heard the news.
However, my point about the "loss" accounted for is valid.
In Civ, would you rather lose a bunch of soldiers, or say, Einstein..
Which is why it is most often prudent to remain averse to strong emotional drifts.
Yeah, I think the point you don't get is that societal worth has got **** all to do with anything here and was only brought up by you. No-one is interested in your aspergers-driven attempts at philosophising or your inappropriate videogame analogies.it's like you go out of your way to be a complete jackass tp4.
I very much see the tragedy and feel that tug' at my chest when I heard the news.
However, my point about the "loss" accounted for is valid.
In Civ, would you rather lose a bunch of soldiers, or say, Einstein..
Which is why it is most often prudent to remain averse to strong emotional drifts.
Also, although I personally found ripster to be hilarious and didn't dislike him the way some others here did, his quest for attention on the Internet - positive or negative - did seem to be an indicator of him massively overcompensating for real life failings. Not someone you really want to emulate.
Guys, lets calm down a little... There's bigger things in this world than flame wars in threads over something this devastating.
Or recreational drugs and trashy women in my case.
Your signature says t all.
Put your differences aside. Most people don't understand, see and a lot of the times would disagree, but truth is we are all living animals with a conscience. If we just realize that we are organisms made of tissues and cells, most people "know" that but don't understand what they know. Take out your bias and take out your attachment. We are noting more than material, think I am wrong? Press your hands against your stomach, can you visualize anything under the skin? Try your head, jaw, hand... There is something under your skin and it is not an "everlasting soul". Who is going to remember you when you die one hundred years from now. One hundred years ago we had almost two billion, now we have a little more than seven billion. Chances are that we won't make an impact on the people of the future but if we treat the people we meet today with respect and love each other for just the fact we all have to live in this world and suffer the same pains.
Stop hating the things you do not have or the people that have what you want or the people you think is keeping what you want from you. Love what you have and love the the next person, no one asked to be in this world.
The "world" is all your perception, but if you make someone else's perception your's, your perception becomes the "world's".
100% true but for some reasons hard to bear in mind,
it's not easy to accept that in the end we are only flesh and bones
Your signature says t all.
Put your differences aside. Most people don't understand, see and a lot of the times would disagree, but truth is we are all living animals with a conscience. If we just realize that we are organisms made of tissues and cells, most people "know" that but don't understand what they know. Take out your bias and take out your attachment. We are noting more than material, think I am wrong? Press your hands against your stomach, can you visualize anything under the skin? Try your head, jaw, hand... There is something under your skin and it is not an "everlasting soul". Who is going to remember you when you die one hundred years from now. One hundred years ago we had almost two billion, now we have a little more than seven billion. Chances are that we won't make an impact on the people of the future but if we treat the people we meet today with respect and love each other for just the fact we all have to live in this world and suffer the same pains.
Stop hating the things you do not have or the people that have what you want or the people you think is keeping what you want from you. Love what you have and love the the next person, no one asked to be in this world.
The "world" is all your perception, but if you make someone else's perception your's, your perception becomes the "world's".
100% true but for some reasons hard to bear in mind,
it's not easy to accept that in the end we are only flesh and bones
At least you know. Just live life with a smile and make the best of what you have. It is not a bad thing that we are flesh and bones but the world makes a lot more sense when we know that.
There are 7 billion people in this world and there are a lot of great, nice, amazing people, but there are just as many stupid, arrogant, crazy people that I could hate. With the amount of people there are in this world, a number more than I could ever count, I can expect that there are a lot of stupid, arrogant, crazy people in this world. Anything can happen. Everyone wants to pursuit happiness but no one wants to despair. Politicians may be corrupt and society may be wrong but in the end we need to pity them instead of despising them.
I feel sorry for the manslaughterer as if the society tried to understand him more and treat him, this may not have happened. I feel more suppressed sorrow for the young kids, teachers and the family affected. It would be too sad for me to think about the unbearable headache, despair, and emotional distress they are in. I would never want to lose my younger brother, sister, cousin, son, daughter, aunt, uncle, mother, father that way. I would be in a tornado of denial. No one should lose a family member during this normally joyous season. Their lives will change forever and be reminded every year that you once gave a smile to your child but nothing you give can bring that smile back or even your own smile of pleasing your child. I can't imagine how many years have to go by before they get over it. It is like losing years of your life to one thought, "When can they come back, when can I go back?"
Your signature says t all.
Put your differences aside. Most people don't understand, see and a lot of the times would disagree, but truth is we are all living animals with a conscience. If we just realize that we are organisms made of tissues and cells, most people "know" that but don't understand what they know. Take out your bias and take out your attachment. We are noting more than material, think I am wrong? Press your hands against your stomach, can you visualize anything under the skin? Try your head, jaw, hand... There is something under your skin and it is not an "everlasting soul". Who is going to remember you when you die one hundred years from now. One hundred years ago we had almost two billion, now we have a little more than seven billion. Chances are that we won't make an impact on the people of the future but if we treat the people we meet today with respect and love each other for just the fact we all have to live in this world and suffer the same pains.
Stop hating the things you do not have or the people that have what you want or the people you think is keeping what you want from you. Love what you have and love the the next person, no one asked to be in this world.
The "world" is all your perception, but if you make someone else's perception your's, your perception becomes the "world's".
100% true but for some reasons hard to bear in mind,
it's not easy to accept that in the end we are only flesh and bones
At least you know. Just live life with a smile and make the best of what you have. It is not a bad thing that we are flesh and bones but the world makes a lot more sense when we know that.
There are 7 billion people in this world and there are a lot of great, nice, amazing people, but there are just as many stupid, arrogant, crazy people that I could hate. With the amount of people there are in this world, a number more than I could ever count, I can expect that there are a lot of stupid, arrogant, crazy people in this world. Anything can happen. Everyone wants to pursuit happiness but no one wants to despair. Politicians may be corrupt and society may be wrong but in the end we need to pity them instead of despising them.
I feel sorry for the manslaughterer as if the society tried to understand him more and treat him, this may not have happened. I feel more suppressed sorrow for the young kids, teachers and the family affected. It would be too sad for me to think about the unbearable headache, despair, and emotional distress they are in. I would never want to lose my younger brother, sister, cousin, son, daughter, aunt, uncle, mother, father that way. I would be in a tornado of denial. No one should lose a family member during this normally joyous season. Their lives will change forever and be reminded every year that you once gave a smile to your child but nothing you give can bring that smile back or even your own smile of pleasing your child. I can't imagine how many years have to go by before they get over it. It is like losing years of your life to one thought, "When can they come back, when can I go back?"
LOL, kids and their verbal diarrhea... ;D
pot, meet kettle.My thoughts exactly.
pot, meet kettle.
Or recreational drugs and trashy women in my case.
Though we can't hold OBAMA accountable, he is quite an ineffective person in all ways of WAR. By his inaction, thousands die. And here we are watching him fake cry over some dead babies.
instead of killing themselves in their basement like they should have just done in the first place.
The truth is thanks to the media coverage of these events there's someone out there who is already planning a way to "one up" this **** instead of killing themselves in their basement like they should have just done in the first place. Thank you News Media, YOU killed all these kids when you decided to broadcast tragedies like this as if its a reality show. Some of you may argue "we want an explanation" when the truth is its none of your ****ing business. Unless your family or friends of the victims, you're not owed an explanation of any kind.
yea I get that it's a terrible thing to say. But we are talking about terrible people here. Who have done terrible things. I have a feeling these people were far beyond being "talked off the ledge".Quoteinstead of killing themselves in their basement like they should have just done in the first place.
that is a terrible attitude.
but i agree with the rest of your statement.
I have a feeling these people were far beyond being "talked off the ledge".eh you don't know that.
^ and I think we can both agree that it's a much better alternative to what actually went down.no, not really. him ending his life would have still been a tragedy.
Some of you may argue "we want an explanation" when the truth is its none of your ****ing business. Unless your family or friends of the victims, you're not owed an explanation of any kind.Exactly. Rubberneckers are the reason why media go ape sh!t at every incident. Shock and awe drives up ratings I guess.
Yea that's another big problem people are starting to bring up - for instance everyone knows the names "Dylan Klebold" and "Eric Harris". But do most people remember any of the names of those poor defenseless children those two psychos murdered?Weirdly enough I can remember some of their names, Isaiah(spelling?), Rachel, Lauren, John, Daniel..
^ seriously, easy access to guns and guaranteed broad media coverage aren't THE reasons to go kill random people and then commit suicide. those are rather catalysts.Those are the reasons that so many people died and will keep dying at the hands of people that need mental health care.
What do you have against the fundamentalist Christians of modern-day America? I'd say they're worlds better than the fundamentalist Muslims halfway across the globe who spread hate, violence, and destruction.Yeah, thing is the fact you can find an item B worse than item A doesn't mean A is no longer bad. That's like if I complained about a pizza having anchovies and you saying "hey Malphas, what's wrong with anchovies? It's worlds better than dog feces".
i.e. The fact that the Arab world and fundamental Muslims are more ****ed up than the USA and Fundamental Christians doesn't negate the fact the latter are still ****ed up. Also, "spreading hate, violence, and destruction" (you could also add ignorant to the list) is something fundamental Christians do pretty well with their anti-Abortion violence, pro-death penalty stance, anti-teaching of evolution/science in general, pro-War stance, etc. etc.
You can't legislate danger or crazy people out of existence, all you can do is have the means and the education to defend yourself well if you can't avoid the confrontation.
If you take away guns only the outlaws and the sociopaths will have them, they don't care about the law anyway.
Proof that you shouldn't post and drink kids.
What study is attributed to those numbers? How were those numbers arrived at? What's the ratio of gun ownership to gun related deaths in the countries listed? These are the questions proof answers.my question number one will be "what the **** is west germany doing in this list?"
What study is attributed to those numbers? How were those numbers arrived at? What's the ratio of gun ownership to gun related deaths in the countries listed? These are the questions proof answers.my question number one will be "what the **** is west germany doing in this list?"
The truth is thanks to the media coverage of these events there's someone out there who is already planning a way to "one up" this **** instead of killing themselves in their basement like they should have just done in the first place. Thank you News Media, YOU killed all these kids when you decided to broadcast tragedies like this as if its a reality show. Some of you may argue "we want an explanation" when the truth is its none of your ****ing business. Unless your family or friends of the victims, you're not owed an explanation of any kind.
The truth is thanks to the media coverage of these events there's someone out there who is already planning a way to "one up" this **** instead of killing themselves in their basement like they should have just done in the first place. Thank you News Media, YOU killed all these kids when you decided to broadcast tragedies like this as if its a reality show. Some of you may argue "we want an explanation" when the truth is its none of your ****ing business. Unless your family or friends of the victims, you're not owed an explanation of any kind.
Yea that's another big problem people are starting to bring up - for instance everyone knows the names "Dylan Klebold" and "Eric Harris". But do most people remember any of the names of those poor defenseless children those two psychos murdered? Unfortunately no, media sensationalism made these two guys into ****ing rockstars. And who is in bed with the media? ...........
The truth is thanks to the media coverage of these events there's someone out there who is already planning a way to "one up" this **** instead of killing themselves in their basement like they should have just done in the first place. Thank you News Media, YOU killed all these kids when you decided to broadcast tragedies like this as if its a reality show. Some of you may argue "we want an explanation" when the truth is its none of your ****ing business. Unless your family or friends of the victims, you're not owed an explanation of any kind.
Yea that's another big problem people are starting to bring up - for instance everyone knows the names "Dylan Klebold" and "Eric Harris". But do most people remember any of the names of those poor defenseless children those two psychos murdered? Unfortunately no, media sensationalism made these two guys into ****ing rockstars. And who is in bed with the media? ...........
I don't see how any of these things are "BIG" problems..
So we lose say another 100 kids...
The cost to train a few pilots and send them to Afghanistan to die for oil, ENORMOUS compared to the cost of popping out 100 more kids and raising them to age 10..
What I'm getting at is, LETS get the BIG THINGS RIGHT, bring the soldiers HOME..... Little kids are NOT worth as much as they are CUTE....
Similar to saving pandas,, THEY'RE freaking fat overgrown, out-evolutioned-naturally-obsolete dogs.
i think someone is short from following ripster's path
The truth is thanks to the media coverage of these events there's someone out there who is already planning a way to "one up" this **** instead of killing themselves in their basement like they should have just done in the first place. Thank you News Media, YOU killed all these kids when you decided to broadcast tragedies like this as if its a reality show. Some of you may argue "we want an explanation" when the truth is its none of your ****ing business. Unless your family or friends of the victims, you're not owed an explanation of any kind.
Yea that's another big problem people are starting to bring up - for instance everyone knows the names "Dylan Klebold" and "Eric Harris". But do most people remember any of the names of those poor defenseless children those two psychos murdered? Unfortunately no, media sensationalism made these two guys into ****ing rockstars. And who is in bed with the media? ...........
I don't see how any of these things are "BIG" problems..
So we lose say another 100 kids...
The cost to train a few pilots and send them to Afghanistan to die for oil, ENORMOUS compared to the cost of popping out 100 more kids and raising them to age 10..
What I'm getting at is, LETS get the BIG THINGS RIGHT, bring the soldiers HOME..... Little kids are NOT worth as much as they are CUTE....
Similar to saving pandas,, THEY'RE freaking fat overgrown, out-evolutioned-naturally-obsolete dogs.
You want the West to withdraw from conflict zones that do not directly affect national security?
Good luck filling that gaping hole in the nations income.
The UK is selling them to others :)
If Breivik lived in USA he wouldn't have succeeded in killing so many people. By the way, guns are controlled in Norway.Absolute BS. And yes firearms are controlled everywhere in the developed world, including Norway, and including the USA, but that doesn't change the fact that the firearms Breivik used were purchased legally after he tried and failed to purchase them illegally in Europe. So any kind of argument you're trying to make on that is dead in the water already . Stop being disingenuous to support your position (which presumably is the same as mine) and make honest arguments instead of just looking like a liar/idiot.
instead of killing themselves in their basement like they should have just done in the first place.Exactly.
Has a anyone brought up the fact that gun control has largely increased at the same time these incidents have ALSO increased? Or that Connecticut has some of THE MOST strict gun laws in the U.S.? From talking to people about U.S. gun laws, the one thing I've noticed is, those who want more gun control, are the same people who literally have ZERO familiarity with the laws we already have! Most of which are argued to help create these very tragedies!
I mean, really, you simply cannot blame these situations directly on the guns themselves. And you can't make straight comparisons between the U.S. and other countries either. Think critically here, people, you're Geekhackers. You're smarter than that!!
http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/ct-gun-laws-prevented-school-gunman-from-purchasing-rifle-four-days-ago/
Hi, I think this is where you're making your mistake. See, this thread is called "Elementary School Shooting, Newtown CT - 27 dead, 18 children" and is specifically about that tragedy (the clue is in the title). You seem to have mistaken it for some sort of debate on the USA as a whole, which must be why your comments here are so bizarre, out of place and moronic.i think someone is short from following ripster's path
I already mentioned... I do feel for the kids... I agree we should protect children from harm... But this is a discussion of the fate of this country... Dead children is a small problem compared to "The Economy" "The Afghan War" and "The Energy crisis"
Has a anyone brought up the fact that gun control has largely increased at the same time these incidents have ALSO increased? Or that Connecticut has some of THE MOST strict gun laws in the U.S.? From talking to people about U.S. gun laws, the one thing I've noticed is, those who want more gun control, are the same people who literally have ZERO familiarity with the laws we already have! Most of which are argued to help create these very tragedies!
I mean, really, you simply cannot blame these situations directly on the guns themselves. And you can't make straight comparisons between the U.S. and other countries either. Think critically here, people, you're Geekhackers. You're smarter than that!!
http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/ct-gun-laws-prevented-school-gunman-from-purchasing-rifle-four-days-ago/
Guns are NOT the problem.. we've established this, anyone who thinks that guns are the problem is childish.
Anyone who is bent on killing a bunch of kids will succeed. For several reasons.
Children collect in large groups EVERY MORNING...
They're defenseless
Anything short of armed guards will NOT stop an ARMED mad man.
Yea but that's not true though. Bombs can be created easily through materials bought at hardware stores which are not regulated. They can also be assembled with materials which are regulated but are easily available (like illegal guns) via the black market. Don't forget, the columbine shooters used homemade pipe bombs.What part of what I said isn't true exactly?
Edit: So last night I had a housewarming party and my parents were there...of course the convo gets political and this topic comes up and my mom pulls out the whole "I don't like those violent video games..." thing and I'm like "Shtahp!!"
It's like, for God's sake I'm your son! I like playing Counter-Strike and L4D2 and I would NEVER want to hurt another human being!
i think someone is short from following ripster's path
I already mentioned... I do feel for the kids... I agree we should protect children from harm... But this is a discussion of the fate of this country... Dead children is a small problem compared to "The Economy" "The Afghan War" and "The Energy crisis"
Give it a rest guys... please.
You guys complain about how Obama is corrupt but at the same time you guys complain about how you want our country to have money and power. There are many things to hate but just enough to love. Then why do people hate so much?
There is no power or money without corruption.
Has a anyone brought up the fact that gun control has largely increased at the same time these incidents have ALSO increased? Or that Connecticut has some of THE MOST strict gun laws in the U.S.? From talking to people about U.S. gun laws, the one thing I've noticed is, those who want more gun control, are the same people who literally have ZERO familiarity with the laws we already have! Most of which are argued to help create these very tragedies!
I mean, really, you simply cannot blame these situations directly on the guns themselves. And you can't make straight comparisons between the U.S. and other countries either. Think critically here, people, you're Geekhackers. You're smarter than that!!
http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/ct-gun-laws-prevented-school-gunman-from-purchasing-rifle-four-days-ago/
Guns are NOT the problem.. we've established this, anyone who thinks that guns are the problem is childish.
Anyone who is bent on killing a bunch of kids will succeed. For several reasons.
Children collect in large groups EVERY MORNING...
They're defenseless
Anything short of armed guards will NOT stop an ARMED mad man.
Anyone that discounts firearms as part of the equation is either a simpleton or insincere to suit their attitude towards gun control, or both. Clearly firearms massively increase the amount of destruction a single individual can do, whilst decreasing the amount of effort and ability required. Children are generally accompanied by adults who have a much better chance of stopping/slowing an unarmed assailant or one with a non-projectile weapon than one armed with firearms. So when something like this occurs with legally-purchased firearms, then obviously questions are raised about the nature of gun control.
i think someone is short from following ripster's path
I already mentioned... I do feel for the kids... I agree we should protect children from harm... But this is a discussion of the fate of this country... Dead children is a small problem compared to "The Economy" "The Afghan War" and "The Energy crisis"
This topic is about "dead children" not "The Economy" "The Afghan War" or "The Energy crisis". If you need to read the title. Have a little compation. No reason to compare kids to irreverent issues. Lose the pride and entitlement and try to love when you can.
You guys complain about how Obama is corrupt but at the same time you guys complain about how you want our country to have money and power. There are many things to hate but just enough to love. Then why do people hate so much?
There is no power or money without corruption.
The media portrays what they deem to be interesting and a lot of the times overdramatise truth. He who controls the media controls the minds of the people.Give it a rest guys... please.
That's exactly what I said, you dunce. It makes it much easier for them to cause harm, and increases the capacity for harm. That alone is reason to take a look at gun control measures, since this atrocity was committed with legally purchased firearms. My God, I'm sick of explaining basic concepts and logic to you simpletons.Has a anyone brought up the fact that gun control has largely increased at the same time these incidents have ALSO increased? Or that Connecticut has some of THE MOST strict gun laws in the U.S.? From talking to people about U.S. gun laws, the one thing I've noticed is, those who want more gun control, are the same people who literally have ZERO familiarity with the laws we already have! Most of which are argued to help create these very tragedies!
I mean, really, you simply cannot blame these situations directly on the guns themselves. And you can't make straight comparisons between the U.S. and other countries either. Think critically here, people, you're Geekhackers. You're smarter than that!!
http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/ct-gun-laws-prevented-school-gunman-from-purchasing-rifle-four-days-ago/
Guns are NOT the problem.. we've established this, anyone who thinks that guns are the problem is childish.
Anyone who is bent on killing a bunch of kids will succeed. For several reasons.
Children collect in large groups EVERY MORNING...
They're defenseless
Anything short of armed guards will NOT stop an ARMED mad man.
Anyone that discounts firearms as part of the equation is either a simpleton or insincere to suit their attitude towards gun control, or both. Clearly firearms massively increase the amount of destruction a single individual can do, whilst decreasing the amount of effort and ability required. Children are generally accompanied by adults who have a much better chance of stopping/slowing an unarmed assailant or one with a non-projectile weapon than one armed with firearms. So when something like this occurs with legally-purchased firearms, then obviously questions are raised about the nature of gun control.
You're mistaken.. a firearm increases the destruction a person "CAN" achieve. It will never make a person MORE likely to WANT to kill...
LOL, kids and their verbal diarrhea... ;D
Another pot/kettle rendezvous.i think someone is short from following ripster's path
I already mentioned... I do feel for the kids... I agree we should protect children from harm... But this is a discussion of the fate of this country... Dead children is a small problem compared to "The Economy" "The Afghan War" and "The Energy crisis"
This topic is about "dead children" not "The Economy" "The Afghan War" or "The Energy crisis". If you need to read the title. Have a little compation. No reason to compare kids to irreverent issues. Lose the pride and entitlement and try to love when you can.
You guys complain about how Obama is corrupt but at the same time you guys complain about how you want our country to have money and power. There are many things to hate but just enough to love. Then why do people hate so much?
There is no power or money without corruption.
The media portrays what they deem to be interesting and a lot of the times overdramatise truth. He who controls the media controls the minds of the people.Give it a rest guys... please.
Compassion yes, but Love? are you serious.... grow up..
what was that quote again..
LOL, kids and their verbal diarrhea... ;D
ah, yes. there it is.
the same news that blamed another person first?
oh, okay.
also, being on meds doesnt mean he had taken them that day.
so please stop with the conspiracy crap, that's kl's job.
But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!Show Image(http://danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/jump-to-conclusions-mat.jpg)
But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!Show Image(http://danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/jump-to-conclusions-mat.jpg)
^Office Space, yes!
Anyways, just listened to the President's speech. I never was an Obama supporter, but this speech completely changed my outlook. Much respect goes out to the President for taking the time to be there tonight with all the people of Newtown.
Some of you may argue "we want an explanation" when the truth is its none of your ****ing business. Unless your family or friends of the victims, you're not owed an explanation of any kind.No, because I could be the next victim. I demand an explanation for how this happened, because I consider it to be negligence on the part of the government that things like this do happen.
Pardon me for believing in the worth of free thinking and that everyone should have the full information on tragedies that happen on the world. My bad, dude. Didn't realized that offended you so much.
About Obama. I am sure our president, the one who represents us as a nation, does the right thing as a human and a public leader. Our nation was build on liberty and there are always people that want to take it away. Without the moral sacrifices our government has made, who knows were we would be today.
But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!Why did someone write "loose" instead of lose :(Show Image(http://danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/jump-to-conclusions-mat.jpg)
Well, he DOES order the drone bombings of entire families and schools of children.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/?2
All those murders MUST be stressful.
There is some strange info starting to come out about this shooting as well as the Colorado shooting. Please let me know if you folks find anything worth sharing. I don't consider myself a "conspiracy theorist" but I also believe that the mainstream media is not one to give us the full story - especially since they're all owned by corporations. Here's what I've read:
- Supposedly the fathers of both shootings were set to testify on major banking scandals before the shootings happened
- There are reports that there may have been a second shooter in the Sandy Hook incident
- The Colorado shooter (not going to give his name) is apparently on suicide watch and a fellow inmate has told people he believes he was brainwashed by his therapist and felt like he was in a "video game"
- Sandy Hook, oddly enough, is the area where Suzanne Collins, writer of "The Hunger Games" lives
- There are conflicting reports about Sandy Hook, especially regarding which actual weapons were used
- There are reports that some children have been held by police and their parents are unable to communicate with them
Like I said, I'm NOT into conspiracy theories but I don't think we're getting all the info here. Please let me know if any of you find anything worth sharing.
But that's what we must do in a 24/7 spin cycle!!Why did someone write "loose" instead of lose :(Show Image(http://danceswithfat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/jump-to-conclusions-mat.jpg)
For the same reason that it went to discussing politics: because it's a political issue.
[/quote]About Obama. I am sure our president, the one who represents us as a nation, does the right thing as a human and a public leader. Our nation was build on liberty and there are always people that want to take it away. Without moral sacrifices our government has made, who knows were we would be today.
No offense, but that is basically the attitude of a sheep. The guy is a liar, thief and murderer. People deify him because statism is the most dangerous religion in the world. He goes on tv and pretends to cry about these kids while killing hundreds of children in the middle east. I'm sorry but people need to wake up and realize that we are not getting the full story, from a media which is very well controlled. People need to realize that the concept of citizens not owning weapons is CENTRAL to government power and influence. The ability of people to own guns represents a loss of control from the state, which essentially only wants to have as much control as possible.
Worse comes to wrose, who said we couldn't move out if ee didn't like our country?
Our country was built on certain principles and it should be kept as such
If it is true and obvious then prove it.Show Image(http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i52/5/7/25/f_fd2ca89fcc.jpg)
Pardon me for believing in the worth of free thinking and that everyone should have the full information on tragedies that happen on the world. My bad, dude. Didn't realized that offended you so much.You say that you believe in free thinking, yet all your opinions and statements are lifted straight out of the Libertard manifesto, and whenever someone expresses a different (usually more moderate) opinion than you, you immediately label them statists and supporting evil etc., before launching for the millionth time into one of your incredibly tiresome "government is evil" rants.
Well, he DOES order the drone bombings of entire families and schools of children.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/229844/the-day-69-children-died/?2
All those murders MUST be stressful.
There is some strange info starting to come out about this shooting as well as the Colorado shooting. Please let me know if you folks find anything worth sharing. I don't consider myself a "conspiracy theorist" but I also believe that the mainstream media is not one to give us the full story - especially since they're all owned by corporations. Here's what I've read:
- Supposedly the fathers of both shootings were set to testify on major banking scandals before the shootings happened
- There are reports that there may have been a second shooter in the Sandy Hook incident
- The Colorado shooter (not going to give his name) is apparently on suicide watch and a fellow inmate has told people he believes he was brainwashed by his therapist and felt like he was in a "video game"
- Sandy Hook, oddly enough, is the area where Suzanne Collins, writer of "The Hunger Games" lives
- There are conflicting reports about Sandy Hook, especially regarding which actual weapons were used
- There are reports that some children have been held by police and their parents are unable to communicate with them
Like I said, I'm NOT into conspiracy theories but I don't think we're getting all the info here. Please let me know if any of you find anything worth sharing.
All your arguments against mine, IMO, are either tyrannical in nature or make no sense. Phrases like "tinfoil" and "libertard" are totalitarian nonsense. I never told anyone what to think, but you are the one calling people name and shoving your ideology down peoples' throats. Just like a politician.I don't think you even have any idea what my ideology is, let alone to the extent you would find it shoved down your throat. All I've said with regard to it is that you post a tremendous amount of illogical, hackneyed, hypocritical pish with enormous self-righteousness and unwarranted arrogance.
Also Malphas, you've probably never been in a situation where you've been needed to save someone's life or had your life saved by another person.Lol, hilariously wrong since I've had several jobs where I was employed to do exactly that.
If it is true and obvious then prove it.Show Image(http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i52/5/7/25/f_fd2ca89fcc.jpg)
If handguns are killers, then why don't we send try them in court and send them to jail instead of the people who use them? That sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? I just love your smart, logical ideas...
What's probably most hypocritical of all is that KL accuses others of shoving ideologies down people's throats whilst this is at least the third thread now that he's completely derailed in order to spout the exact same childish pro-anarchy/anti-government diatribe we've all heard him say several times already.
As witty as your overdone and unoriginal sarcasm is, you can't completely discount the massive increase in ease and effectiveness that firearms enable. Do you really think all these shooting spree killers - almost all nerdy 150lbs weaklings - would have inflicted anything like as much damage if they were only equipped with a bat or a knife rather than legally-owned firearms?
and after everything, he plays the woe is me card.
which is just hilarious.
As witty as your overdone and unoriginal sarcasm is, you can't completely discount the massive increase in ease and effectiveness that firearms enable. Do you really think all these shooting spree killers - almost all nerdy 150lbs weaklings - would have inflicted anything like as much damage if they were only equipped with a bat or a knife rather than legally-owned firearms?
LOL, kids and their verbal diarrhea... ;D
Disregarding the second part of your post as that's not the point I'm making, since I'm not personally an advocate of more gun control (all I'm arguing here is the ease and damage) I'd say that frankly I think you have to be pretty deluded to try and debate that a bladed weapon or blunt object is going to be equally devastating in these kind of scenarios. Yes a guy waiting to swing a bat on your head is more or less just as lethal as a gunshot, but that's not a comparable scenario, we're talking about a situation where a lone assailant (usually one that isn't very physically intimidating) is going into an area full of people and causing numerous casualties, and the reason they're able to do that (other than perhaps rare cases) is due to having a firearm. If you think you can dispute that's the reason why, then you're being either disingenuous or just stupid. Same with your classroom example, it completely ignores the fact that children are generally under the constant supervision of adults.As witty as your overdone and unoriginal sarcasm is, you can't completely discount the massive increase in ease and effectiveness that firearms enable. Do you really think all these shooting spree killers - almost all nerdy 150lbs weaklings - would have inflicted anything like as much damage if they were only equipped with a bat or a knife rather than legally-owned firearms?
Well... that's debatable, since if the guy is there waiting to swing on your head, then he could very well do it..
And... I would imagine taking out little kids with a bat wouldn't be all that difficult, especially when cornered in a classroom with only 1 exit
It is likely that the aggressor will succeed no matter what regulation you put on weapons, because of how many are already out there....
regulation will not stop gun carrying in this country, and it also will not be able to recall the guns already in circulation...
Not if you're chronically lacking in social awareness and basic interpersonal skills as tp has demonstrated himself to be.
LOL, kids and their verbal diarrhea... ;D
i've stopped reading just about everything you type now. it was quite simple to see whom i was talking about.
If it is true and obvious then prove it.Show Image(http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i52/5/7/25/f_fd2ca89fcc.jpg)
Now I know how politicians are created.
They start as trolls.
Ripster for Congress...?
Illuminati is behind it all?
Relevant:Show Image(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/537559_10152367316040503_236925743_n.jpg)
Thanks kl. Now I am watching a bunch of illuminati videos. Just curious. Any signifigant illuminati theory that you would like to agree on or oppose to.
...Edit: my friend just brought up this incident which is fairly similar in nature and never referenced by the media:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting
Bummer the assistant principal couldn't stop the mass shooting with his personal firearm. But it's a good thing he was able to stop him in the parking lot afterwards. Saved the police the extra step.
guns are banned in christiania in copenhagen. there are respective signs everywhere. but in the place itself, there are lots of local pushers armed with guns.Show Image(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/537559_10152367316040503_236925743_n.jpg)
If it is true and obvious then prove it.Show Image(http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i52/5/7/25/f_fd2ca89fcc.jpg)
If handguns are killers, then why don't we send try them in court and send them to jail instead of the people who use them? That sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? I just love your smart, logical ideas...
Look, I'm going to be completely serious for a minute. I know a lot of my posts are casual and in jest, but this is for real.
Last night I was merrily traipsing down my favorite neighborhood dark alley when I heard a metallic rattling coming out from behind the dumpster. I expected to encounter a homeless man upon my passing, rooting amidst the refuse for some snacks, but instead there was a Sig Sauer P226 semi-automatic handgun chambered in 9MM barely conscious with a half-empty bottle of Jack Daniels beside him. I asked the handgun very politely and respectfully, "Sir, are you okay? Do you need any help?" and he only grumbled incoherently in response. Then, out of absolutely nowhere, this wildly intoxicated drunken sod of a handgun just started popping off rounds at me! I mean, I could have been killed!
We need to ensure that underage, irresponsible handguns are not able to purchase liquor. This is a dangerous combination and we need to put a stop to this at once.
While we're at it we should also sever the genitalia of all men so they can no longer rape. THOUSAND OF PENISES RAPE WOMEN EACH YEAR, WE MUST BAN PENISES.
ALSO BAN BREASTS FOR MAKING THEM HARD.
(BAN BRAINS FOR EXHIBITING PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR IN RESPONSE TO CERTAIN EXTERNAL STIMULI.)
If it is true and obvious then prove it.Show Image(http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i52/5/7/25/f_fd2ca89fcc.jpg)
If handguns are killers, then why don't we send try them in court and send them to jail instead of the people who use them? That sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? I just love your smart, logical ideas...
Look, I'm going to be completely serious for a minute. I know a lot of my posts are casual and in jest, but this is for real.
Last night I was merrily traipsing down my favorite neighborhood dark alley when I heard a metallic rattling coming out from behind the dumpster. I expected to encounter a homeless man upon my passing, rooting amidst the refuse for some snacks, but instead there was a Sig Sauer P226 semi-automatic handgun chambered in 9MM barely conscious with a half-empty bottle of Jack Daniels beside him. I asked the handgun very politely and respectfully, "Sir, are you okay? Do you need any help?" and he only grumbled incoherently in response. Then, out of absolutely nowhere, this wildly intoxicated drunken sod of a handgun just started popping off rounds at me! I mean, I could have been killed!
We need to ensure that underage, irresponsible handguns are not able to purchase liquor. This is a dangerous combination and we need to put a stop to this at once.
While we're at it we should also sever the genitalia of all men so they can no longer rape. THOUSAND OF PENISES RAPE WOMEN EACH YEAR, WE MUST BAN PENISES.
ALSO BAN BREASTS FOR MAKING THEM HARD.
(BAN BRAINS FOR EXHIBITING PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR IN RESPONSE TO CERTAIN EXTERNAL STIMULI.)
Prove your point with facts instead of the old rhetoric.
Ripster for Congress...?
Hehe, you're funny! Though it is hard to fully understand on the internet. I got the feeling you were addressing a point in a light-harded way? More or less important the subject of your story than the person addressed. Maybe for the reason of how blaming something else besides the person responsible is immature?If it is true and obvious then prove it.Show Image(http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i52/5/7/25/f_fd2ca89fcc.jpg)
If handguns are killers, then why don't we send try them in court and send them to jail instead of the people who use them? That sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? I just love your smart, logical ideas...
Look, I'm going to be completely serious for a minute. I know a lot of my posts are casual and in jest, but this is for real.
Last night I was merrily traipsing down my favorite neighborhood dark alley when I heard a metallic rattling coming out from behind the dumpster. I expected to encounter a homeless man upon my passing, rooting amidst the refuse for some snacks, but instead there was a Sig Sauer P226 semi-automatic handgun chambered in 9MM barely conscious with a half-empty bottle of Jack Daniels beside him. I asked the handgun very politely and respectfully, "Sir, are you okay? Do you need any help?" and he only grumbled incoherently in response. Then, out of absolutely nowhere, this wildly intoxicated drunken sod of a handgun just started popping off rounds at me! I mean, I could have been killed!
We need to ensure that underage, irresponsible handguns are not able to purchase liquor. This is a dangerous combination and we need to put a stop to this at once.
While we're at it we should also sever the genitalia of all men so they can no longer rape. THOUSAND OF PENISES RAPE WOMEN EACH YEAR, WE MUST BAN PENISES.
ALSO BAN BREASTS FOR MAKING THEM HARD.
(BAN BRAINS FOR EXHIBITING PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR IN RESPONSE TO CERTAIN EXTERNAL STIMULI.)
Prove your point with facts instead of the old rhetoric.
Apparently facts can't arise of circumstances. Thus, facts are not real and do not exist.
Guess I'll be posting an essay in this thread at some point tomorrow and get this thread closed, too, since everyone needs everything laid out explicitly replete with dictionary definitions because no one understands what words mean. Most believe words to be only vaguely suggestive of emotion, and nothing more, rather than descriptive terms of circumstances which exist in objectivity.
Then, I suppose it is fine that language is being destroyed, because there seems to be nothing left for anyone to say. (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36206.msg680323#msg680323)
Ripster for Congress...?
Maybe I'll run against him!
Maybe I'll run against him!
\kl, just out of curiosity, do you hear voices in your head?
If it is true and obvious then prove it.Show Image(http://ct.politicomments.com/ol/pc/sw/i52/5/7/25/f_fd2ca89fcc.jpg)
If handguns are killers, then why don't we send try them in court and send them to jail instead of the people who use them? That sounds like a great idea, doesn't it? I just love your smart, logical ideas...
Look, I'm going to be completely serious for a minute. I know a lot of my posts are casual and in jest, but this is for real.
Last night I was merrily traipsing down my favorite neighborhood dark alley when I heard a metallic rattling coming out from behind the dumpster. I expected to encounter a homeless man upon my passing, rooting amidst the refuse for some snacks, but instead there was a Sig Sauer P226 semi-automatic handgun chambered in 9MM barely conscious with a half-empty bottle of Jack Daniels beside him. I asked the handgun very politely and respectfully, "Sir, are you okay? Do you need any help?" and he only grumbled incoherently in response. Then, out of absolutely nowhere, this wildly intoxicated drunken sod of a handgun just started popping off rounds at me! I mean, I could have been killed!
We need to ensure that underage, irresponsible handguns are not able to purchase liquor. This is a dangerous combination and we need to put a stop to this at once.
While we're at it we should also sever the genitalia of all men so they can no longer rape. THOUSAND OF PENISES RAPE WOMEN EACH YEAR, WE MUST BAN PENISES.
ALSO BAN BREASTS FOR MAKING THEM HARD.
(BAN BRAINS FOR EXHIBITING PARTICULAR BEHAVIOR IN RESPONSE TO CERTAIN EXTERNAL STIMULI.)
Prove your point with facts instead of the old rhetoric.
I understand that you could never ban guns in the US but you would have far less murders committed if you had much tighter laws and controls.
don't mind all the name callers, kl. It's only their confirmation bias kicking in because they can't come to grips with the fact that they voted for and support mass murders. If there were solid arguments against many of your points, they wouldn't have to resort to name calling.
Relevant:Signs don't prevent killing sprees.Show Image(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/537559_10152367316040503_236925743_n.jpg)
\kl, just out of curiosity, do you hear voices in your head?lmao
In this case specifically, the discussion shouldn't be "BAN ALL THE GUNS!" / "BANNING ANY GUNS MEANS WE LOSE ALL FREEDOM", it should be "What is the maximum freedom of arms we can safely allow, given our cultural and technological situation?"Ah, how refreshing to read a sane comment for a change.
"What is the maximum freedom of arms we can safely allow, given our cultural and technological situation?"vermont-ish.
It would be nice if such an approach would work here, but it has not. Would a murderer will care if an additional weapons charge is added to his murder charge? He'll get life in prison or the death penalty no matter what. Many of the states here in the US with the tightest gun restrictions also have the highest rates of murder and gun violence. Since they make it much more difficult to obtain permits to legally own firearms, or legally conceal firearms, they've got, for the most part, an unarmed citizenry. Would you rob a house or trespass on another's property if you knew the owner had a gun and was trained to use it?
Guns themselves don't cause violence; it's the users of the guns who do. And even if we tightened up restrictions on them here in the US, we'd still have a nice inflow of illegal weapons on the black market from Mexico and South America, just like drugs. And we've got pretty tight restrictions on illicit drugs but they seem to have little trouble crossing the border. That's probably why gun control works better in western Europe--Most western European countries don't share an unsecured border with a drug- and crime-ridden hell (a. k. a. northern Mexico). They also don't have as many ports connecting them to other nations as the US does, so it would be more difficult to obtain illicit weapons there. But that's not how things are here I'm afraid. If the US had tight border security, especially with Mexico, then gun control might be more effective. But securing thousands of miles of land is prohibitably expensive and difficult, and with today's politics, most of the folks advocating tighter gun laws here are also against securing our southern border.
In America and in its current situation, probably the best way to prevent most gun violence would be to have more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens. Like I said before, would you want to commit a crime in a neighborhood where you knew everybody had a gun? I don't think so. Gangs and drugs are the top causes of gun violence here in the US, and an armed citizenry has been proven to repel such activity very well.
But with these school shootings...they've very difficult situations in many ways. I was driving through Newtown, right by Sandy Hook Elementary School, on my way to work on the day of the shooting and witnessed much of it firsthand. It is very difficult emotionally to think about it, especially as I pass through there on my commute now, seeing the memorials and the big flag in the center of town flown at half staff. It hurts me a great deal to have to see that.
But another way in which these situations are difficult is the cause of them. They aren't like the other 99% of gun violence here in America. 9 times out of 10, it's a mentally ill person who finds some way to get his hands on weapons and then goes berzerk. There is no simple solution to prevent these crimes--the best thing I can think of is to have somebody at every school who is armed and trained to deal with these situations. But they arise so seldomly that few schools would actually follow through with something like that. I just don't know.
"What is the maximum freedom of arms we can safely allow, given our cultural and technological situation?"vermont-ish.
You realise that most police officers shot in the USA were shot with their own weapon that a previously unarmed criminal decided to relieve them of?
You realise that most police officers shot in the USA were shot with their own weapon that a previously unarmed criminal decided to relieve them of?
Citation needed.
There are no national statistics on how many times officers' guns are taken away. But the FBI says that of the 616 law enforcement officers killed on duty by criminals from 1994 through 2003, 52 were killed with their own weapon, amounting to 8 percent.
Yeah, that sounds like a completely made up fact because it is. Regardless of your position, debate with facts people!QuoteThere are no national statistics on how many times officers' guns are taken away. But the FBI says that of the 616 law enforcement officers killed on duty by criminals from 1994 through 2003, 52 were killed with their own weapon, amounting to 8 percent.
Source: http://www.policeone.com/close-quarters-combat/articles/100228-Cases-of-Officers-Killed-by-Their-Own-Guns-Likely-Will-Not-Change-R-I-Policies/
8% is significant, but hardly "most".
Separately, guns obtained or taken from relatives or friends who legally owned them were used in 46 killings. 51 officers were killed when their department-issued firearms or another officer's gun were turned against them. In 41 instances, guns were illegally obtained on the streets through sale or barter. 16 times, someone bought a weapon for a person prohibited from having a gun, an unlawful transaction known as a straw purchase.
Just imagine yourself living in a low-income neighborhood, where home invasions happen maybe once a week in your neighborhood. You'd sleep a lot better at night knowing that you had a gun to protect your family if someone decides to come in, relieve you of your valuable possessions, and maybe let you live.
Unaware that Dukes was a cop, they ordered him into the house and demanded money. He told them about his safe in the master-bathroom closet. The detective's wife, Lynette, lay awake in bed, silent and still. She heard her husband identify himself as a police officer and offer them money for his family's safety.
The men forced Dukes to kneel in the bathroom. His wife was brought out and ordered to open the safe and then drop to her knees next to her husband. The suspects grabbed the money and an AR-15 assault rifle.
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They asked Dukes if he had other weapons. He directed them to his department-issued Glock handgun under the mattress on the right side of the bed.
Dukes had another Glock, an off-duty gun - the police report does not specify whether he had it on his person or somewhere in his house - which he drew and fired twice. Then the gun jammed. The thieves fired back with Dukes's police gun, striking him in his left arm and stomach. A bullet pierced his wife's left foot.
Dukes, an auto-theft detective and a 19-year veteran, died three weeks later. His wife survived. The alleged gunmen, Anthony Skidmore, now 22, and Chris Dillon, 21, are awaiting trial.
That's great, except what about when an unarmed intruder promptly relieves you of your firearm then uses it against you/your family? Or what about when you don't have time to retrieve your gun by the time they've broken in and one of their demands is you hand it over along with the rest of your valuables? Congratulations, you just provided a violent criminal with a firearm, well done.
And yes, those scenarios do happen.
Lol. Yeah right, that's what all Internet tough-guys think though. I guess you missed the part where a quoted an excerpt from an article about how this happened to a veteran detective of almost twenty years. But yeah, I'm sure you're much more capable than him Mr. Orange County keyboard-enthusiast cubicle worker. It doesn't matter how much time you've spent at the range or how many deluded Liam Neeson fantasies you've had, if you haven't been woken up in the middle of the night to a high stress situation where your life is in danger then you don't know **** about how well you'd actually do. Not only that but these things happen to guys who have been in those situations, like armed forces personnel, cops, etc. - you know, guys that have actually been tested under fire and had to shoot at human beings before rather than just posturing on the Internet about it. That's because it's not just about how prepared you are for the eventuality or how good a shot you are, it's also a lot to do with luck and variables.
That's great, except what about when an unarmed intruder promptly relieves you of your firearm then uses it against you/your family? Or what about when you don't have time to retrieve your gun by the time they've broken in and one of their demands is you hand it over along with the rest of your valuables? Congratulations, you just provided a violent criminal with a firearm, well done.
And yes, those scenarios do happen.
That's a valid argument. But since you're going into a specific scenario and also using me as a variable, I'm telling you now it wouldn't go down that way if it were me, knowing what I know. Maybe that's how it'd play out if you were in that case but not me. Try again?
Wasn't one of the reason why we have guns is to over throw the government if we needed to?
Ikr, was kinda a joke :p
Case 3: Bad guy comes into my house, I have guns, and I know how to use them.If you think "knowing how to use them" means you're immune to being forcibly disarmed then you're utterly naive and hopelessly delusional in your own abilities. There's only so much anyone can do in a given circumstances - good luck if you end up pointing your pistol at one intruder and then another one whom you didn't even know was there comes up behind you and swings a bat into your head.
It actually does matter, since from what you've written, I'm not entirely sure you know how to use a safe. You probably do, but in the case that you're assuming that I have no clue what a safe is for, allow me clarify. From what I understand a safe is to be utilized when a person is leaving their house and aren't allowed to bring your guns. The safe is to be stored in a secure location, bolted down, so it can't be lifted the casual burglar with no specialized tools in the event of a home invasion. When its time to sleep, you keep the weapon of choice, loaded, near yourself in the event you do need to use it. All other times when the person is not in the house, firearms are to be secured in the safe. This person is not going to let anyone but people that might need to protect themselves in the home to know the combination.
Regarding your response to my case. I wrote those cases down, because out of the three, Case 3 is the most desired situation. This, I'm pretty sure, is what everyone will choose, regardless about how they feel about firearms.
I also did not imply "immunity" from disarmament.
That's a valid argument. But since you're going into a specific scenario and also using me as a variable, I'm telling you now it wouldn't go down that way if it were me, knowing what I know. Maybe that's how it'd play out if you were in that case but not me. Try again?Incredible misplaced arrogance.
You also haven't responded to how the risk of disarmament by multiple attackers supercedes the right for anyone to purchase firearms to defend their family.