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geekhack Marketplace => Great Finds => Topic started by: squarebox on Tue, 25 December 2012, 09:46:57
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300837240031&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300837240031&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en)
I'm guess this will go high :(
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Poor little cap. He never did anything to hurt anyone... :'(
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Evil person!
Why he draw for it since he doesnt like it >:D
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:mad:
Shame there isn't really a way to stop this
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Why cant he give me that for cost :(
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Why cant he give me that for cost :(
Because they don't care and know that someone will pay more than cost.
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Hate them.
Evil arse. Like peter ;D
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lulz... Looks like an overpriced piece of old butter! =D
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LOL I think that will skyrocket like till the 120s
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unfortunately cant screen for everyone thats trying to make a quick dollar from these sales.
Most likely will go to someone on GH, considering anything over $30 for one cap is rediculous for any normal person
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unfortunately cant screen for everyone thats trying to make a quick dollar from these sales.
Most likely will go to someone on GH, considering anything over $30 for one cap is rediculous for any normal person
$3*
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I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?
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I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?
Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all
If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
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And now I wait, for things...
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I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?
Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all
If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
lol, right....
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I GOT THE TAR WHO'S BRINGIN' THE FEATHERS
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I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?
Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all
If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
do you speak for yourself or the majority of geekhackers?
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Oh doggies, I gave mine away. :(
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I GOT THE TAR WHO'S BRINGIN' THE FEATHERS
I DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR FEATHERS, I AM TRYING TO BID ON A CC!!
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I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?
Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all
If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
I don't know the man personally, but from all the posts of his that I have thus far read, he comes across as more of an artist than a businessman. It has been postulated by many (Even here on this forum) that if he were to well his keycaps firsthand (Like via an eBay storefornt, etc.), CC could easily make a huge amount of money. Since this is eminently obvious to all, the artist included, and is currently not the case, one can conclude that CC isn't in it purely for the money. I believe he has stated, as most artists do, that he wants to make keycaps that people enjoy, and he wants to put his artwork in many people's hands. This makes sense from a business perspective. You have to get your name out there to make money at all. It makes even more sense from an artistic perspective. I have known many underappreciated artists, so it is very refreshing to see an artist's good work bring them some positive fame. CC is now very well known in the keyboard community. Finally, it's almost certainly not CC himself selling this particular keycap (as you propose). It doesn't make sense from an artistic standpoint (as I discussed earlier in my paragraph) but it makes even less sense from an economic/business standpoint. Why sell 100 (or so) keycaps at a very low cost, then wait a bit and sell a single one at a highly elevated one. Why not just sell them at the higher price in the first place. Also, selling just the one keycap here shouldn't be worth the effort: it's just as easy to sell 10 or 100 this way.
I am by no means an unbiased observer of myself, but I doubt the concept of believing in "artistic purity" qualifies as "delusional". Of course, one can reject such a thing, based on one's epistemology or ethical system (Look at Objectivism, or maybe Utilitarianism (Bentham, not mill) for examples) but even if one does reject it, the tenants it's based on are sound. I am always interested in finding holes in my position, so an explanation of what you mean by your last statement would be readily accepted (Preferably via PM, as this is not a philosophy forum).
In short: Keycap ebay sale cannot be CC himself for business, artistic, and ethical reasons. Artistic purity is not delusional.
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(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-don-t-feed-the-troll-15.png)
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I read some article about how ClickClack himself doesn't like people to resell his cap at skyrocketed price,
but I can't seem to find those article anymore, anyone mind to post a link?
Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all
If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
I don't know the man personally, but from all the posts of his that I have thus far read, he comes across as more of an artist than a businessman. It has been postulated by many (Even here on this forum) that if he were to well his keycaps firsthand (Like via an eBay storefornt, etc.), CC could easily make a huge amount of money. Since this is eminently obvious to all, the artist included, and is currently not the case, one can conclude that CC isn't in it purely for the money. I believe he has stated, as most artists do, that he wants to make keycaps that people enjoy, and he wants to put his artwork in many people's hands. This makes sense from a business perspective. You have to get your name out there to make money at all. It makes even more sense from an artistic perspective. I have known many underappreciated artists, so it is very refreshing to see an artist's good work bring them some positive fame. CC is now very well known in the keyboard community. Finally, it's almost certainly not CC himself selling this particular keycap (as you propose). It doesn't make sense from an artistic standpoint (as I discussed earlier in my paragraph) but it makes even less sense from an economic/business standpoint. Why sell 100 (or so) keycaps at a very low cost, then wait a bit and sell a single one at a highly elevated one. Why not just sell them at the higher price in the first place. Also, selling just the one keycap here shouldn't be worth the effort: it's just as easy to sell 10 or 100 this way.
I am by no means an unbiased observer of myself, but I doubt the concept of believing in "artistic purity" qualifies as "delusional". Of course, one can reject such a thing, based on one's epistemology or ethical system (Look at Objectivism, or maybe Utilitarianism (Bentham, not mill) for examples) but even if one does reject it, the tenants it's based on are sound. I am always interested in finding holes in my position, so an explanation of what you mean by your last statement would be readily accepted (Preferably via PM, as this is not a philosophy forum).
In short: Keycap ebay sale cannot be CC himself for business, artistic, and ethical reasons. Artistic purity is not delusional.
I say what I am about to say "Not" to troll, but simply as an answer to "WHY" CC may be the one behind the 'extra' caps.
It's a marketing issue.
If he came from the beginning and said, $100 for mah caps', people would give him the finger, and call it a day.
These caps can easily be made in mass quantities SHOULD the man choose to.. now, why doesn't he.. Because the keycaps business does not currently have the market size for profits in high volume sales.
It relies on a small set of purchasers..
Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...
I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.
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HASH! You change your avatar too much!!!
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I GOT THE TAR WHO'S BRINGIN' THE FEATHERS
I DON'T HAVE MONEY FOR FEATHERS, I AM TRYING TO BID ON A CC!!
I WAS TOO BUSY SCREAMING TO NOTICE THE PRICE ECLIPSE TRIPLE DIGITS
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HASH! You change your avatar too much!!!
I never look back, darling; it distracts from the now.
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HASH! You change your avatar too much!!!
I never look back, darling; it distracts from the now.
Gyaaahhh!!!!
I'm just going to live vicariously through you, at this point...I feel as though I am the embodiment of my avatar and it just cannot be changed.
Oh, and don't get me the wrong way....your avatars are always great :D
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Speaking as an artisan, you're wrong (as a general but not ultimate rule). We have a fundamentally different set of neural pathways, both in-built and learned and whitest anyone can design, leaps of artistic creation show a lack of the formulaic which is often apparent in lay-design.
Obvious exceptions are artisans who learn business and business people who master design to such an extent that it becomes indistinguishable from true art. The work and reputation of the former tends to become corrupted by their ulterior mode (see Norman Foster), the latter turn into Steve Jobs...
The third, and rarest exception is those who are intrinsically capable of both art and business, the most recent example I can draw to mind is Danny Boyle.
I don't know CC, but from the brief chat we've had, and the work that he (she? Gender unknown) produces I'd say they fall into the "I make what I make because that's what I do" category money is not a motivator but a boring necessity.
CCs caps could be made in mass quantities, but to my eye they're made using a far, far, far lower yield method (not posting my guess) than SP uses (vacuum injection with $$$$$ machines?). Further more, we get to see the number of seconds CC produces, but not the number of outright rejects - the cost of which must be covered. Oh I could go on, and on, and on. But I'm sure this'll already earn me another TL;DR...
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Not saying anyone is doing this, but my whole take on the matter would be that it would make sense to have them be highly coveted, rare objects in the beginning, since this will effectively allow them to sell themselves or become popular through word of mouth. Eventually when enough people knew about them sales could open up, a huge amount would be sold, and then eventually everyone would have clacks and no one would care anymore. So, maybe he could do that if he ever got tired of making cool little keycaps. :)
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I say what I am about to say "Not" to troll, but simply as an answer to "WHY" CC may be the one behind the 'extra' caps.
It's a marketing issue.
If he came from the beginning and said, $100 for mah caps', people would give him the finger, and call it a day.
These caps can easily be made in mass quantities SHOULD the man choose to.. now, why doesn't he.. Because the keycaps business does not currently have the market size for profits in high volume sales.
It relies on a small set of purchasers..
Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...
I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.
The more you post, the more you sound like the crazy guy on the subway saying the world is going to end and that we are the ignorant ones for ignoring you.
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Speaking as an artisan, you're wrong (as a general but not ultimate rule). We have a fundamentally different set of neural pathways, both in-built and learned and whitest anyone can design, leaps of artistic creation show a lack of the formulaic which is often apparent in lay-design.
Obvious exceptions are artisans who learn business and business people who master design to such an extent that it becomes indistinguishable from true art. The work and reputation of the former tends to become corrupted by their ulterior mode (see Norman Foster), the latter turn into Steve Jobs...
The third, and rarest exception is those who are intrinsically capable of both art and business, the most recent example I can draw to mind is Danny Boyle.
I don't know CC, but from the brief chat we've had, and the work that he (she? Gender unknown) produces I'd say they fall into the "I make what I make because that's what I do" category money is not a motivator but a boring necessity.
CCs caps could be made in mass quantities, but to my eye they're made using a far, far, far lower yield method (not posting my guess) than SP uses (vacuum injection with $$$$$ machines?). Further more, we get to see the number of seconds CC produces, but not the number of outright rejects - the cost of which must be covered. Oh I could go on, and on, and on. But I'm sure this'll already earn me another TL;DR...
You're ignorant of the fact that "making money" does not conflict with "art"
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I say what I am about to say "Not" to troll, but simply as an answer to "WHY" CC may be the one behind the 'extra' caps.
It's a marketing issue.
If he came from the beginning and said, $100 for mah caps', people would give him the finger, and call it a day.
These caps can easily be made in mass quantities SHOULD the man choose to.. now, why doesn't he.. Because the keycaps business does not currently have the market size for profits in high volume sales.
It relies on a small set of purchasers..
Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...
I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.
The more you post, the more you sound like the crazy guy on the subway saying the world is going to end and that we are the ignorant ones for ignoring you.
I don't think you guys are crazy, I do however think you're often naive, or worse ignorant.
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You're ignorant of the fact that "making money" does not conflict with "art"
I didn't say that; I make money by art as well as by business ipso facto I'm not "ignorant" about such matters, but I'm not mercenary about it as you seem to imply CC is!
Lets take good old Van Gogh as an example, died in poverty with debts up to his eyeballs, his art conflicted with making money at that time, he practically had to give paintings away. Today his paintings sell for tens of millions a piece. Now CC doesn't sell his (her? Again sorry) products for less than the material cost but equally they're not fetching all the market will bare. And the sales from collector to collector generate far greater revenue than the initial investment.
Let's take me as an example (oh no, mister Frodo!) as I'm sure you know, I'm working on making silver caps, they'll come out eventually but it's already been several months in the set-up stages, not ready to open up for orders yet, and it'll be several more before the next cap - probably six months. Why? Because I have a life and work outside of producing things you (as a community) want. Might not the same be true for CC? That these caps are simply an aside, a distraction, something fun, which provides pleasure?
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Here we go again... :popcorn:
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You're ignorant of the fact that "making money" does not conflict with "art"
I didn't say that; I make money by art as well as by business ipso facto I'm not "ignorant" about such matters, but I'm not mercenary about it as you seem to imply CC is!
Lets take good old Van Gogh as an example, died in poverty with debts up to his eyeballs, his art conflicted with making money at that time, he practically had to give paintings away. Today his paintings sell for tens of millions a piece. Now CC doesn't sell his (her? Again sorry) products for less than the material cost but equally they're not fetching all the market will bare. And the sales from collector to collector generate far greater revenue than the initial investment.
Let's take me as an example (oh no, mister Frodo!) as I'm sure you know, I'm working on making silver caps, they'll come out eventually but it's already been several months in the set-up stages, not ready to open up for orders yet, and it'll be several more before the next cap - probably six months. Why? Because I have a life and work outside of producing things you (as a community) want. Might not the same be true for CC? That these caps are simply an aside, a distraction, something fun, which provides pleasure?
Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.
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Might have to put mine on eBay!
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What you're missing tp is that assuming all artists are willing to sell out is as naive as assuming that none of them are.
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Oh, hello. :worried:
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Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.
i'd love to see what kind of starry night keycap he could come up with ;)
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Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.
i'd love to see what kind of starry night keycap he could come up with ;)
Maybe it would be a melted skull face?
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Jesus.
It's their property, they can do anything they want with it.
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Jesus.
It's their property, they can do anything they want with it.
That is exactly my point, but there seems to be a load of you that see "selling out" as something that's UN-Artist like or at all to be looked down upon.
Selling out, is the artist's realization that EVERYTHING including their precious work HAS a quantifiable value..
EVERYTHING in this world is accounted for. It is finite and infinite simultaneously..
Arguing that any element would have value beyond the accountable is the same as saying it is accountable. They're the two sides of one concept.
Akin to things such as Unconditional love being a condition in it of itself.
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so deep....
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wtf... "shame there isn't a way to stop this"
capitalism... free market... america?
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wtf... "shame there isn't a way to stop this"
Christ... its a free market society... you know.... AMERICA
its a free country i can do anything i want
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que up the larry the cable guy montage
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Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.
a) Why not? And
b) no.
I was using Van Gogh (and myself, apparently that didn't raise any eyebrows though) as an illustrative example not as a direct comparison. But hell, now that you've raised the issue why not? Since you brought up the matter, feel free to lead on and I'll be your interlocutor. Or are you only capable of ad hominem?
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Wait, why is everyone getting in a hissy fit over tp4tissue? Isn't he the one with no emotions either way, and probably the ultimate troll because he just doesn't ****ing care?
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We can't possible be having this argument without nail polish.
Come at me bros!
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We can't possible be having this argument without nail polish.
Come at me bros!
You're too young to get mad at bro! And I may be your santa, so....all is forgiven.
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Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.
i'd love to see what kind of starry night keycap he could come up with ;)
Maybe it would be a melted skull face?
no sense in waiting for him to do that, brb grabbing a lighter
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Are you seriously comparing click clack to van gogh? sigh.... this is how far we've come.
i'd love to see what kind of starry night keycap he could come up with ;)
Maybe it would be a melted skull face?
Are we confusing Van Gogh and Dali here?
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Can sure have an Oktoberfest at home with ~2 cartons of beer for $100.
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Wait, why is everyone getting in a hissy fit over tp4tissue? Isn't he the one with no emotions either way, and probably the ultimate troll because he just doesn't ****ing care?
Not a hissy fit, just a discussion on the nature of art / business, trying to anyway.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clickclack-candy-corn-tri-color-skull-clack-factory-/300838813532
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Lol reserve not met.
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One billion dollars!!!!!!
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Lol reserve not met.
I never really understood the purpose of setting some invisible minimum except to get people to accidentally bid more than it, which is pretty f'in stupid
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If you set a really high reserve, and no-one reaches it, you can see what an item is worth. I consider it underhanded, of course.
There's only two ways of selling on eBay (IMO). you can either list a BIN, or auction from a low value.
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Didn't this start low?
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Aye, look at the bid history.
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Shill bidding, etc etc
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I doubt it, it will be interesting to see how high it goes.
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I just saw that thread, went to Ebay auction and...
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Why not?
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Hit $100 and been there for several days now.
Either people are sniping, or the $100 ceiling is triggering a psychological block on people.
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Hit $100 and been there for several days now.
Either people are sniping, or the $100 ceiling is triggering a psychological block on people.
lol yeah, I entered the bid earlier, but stopped when it hit 100...
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Wow.. 137.5$.
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$142, how lame.
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400% markup?
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Holy Crap
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false scarcity gotta love it.
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Where else can you buy one of these now?
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I mean in how many cc produces and how he sells them to begin with.
This is where ripster would post the supply demand graph.
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All based on guesses. We do not know how many of each CC were made. We do not know how many people entered the draw for each one. Hence any supply/demand graph would be speculation.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clack-Factory-Oktoberfest-Keycap-Cherry-MX-Click-Clack-Key-cap-/300844226180?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item460bb69684 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clack-Factory-Oktoberfest-Keycap-Cherry-MX-Click-Clack-Key-cap-/300844226180?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item460bb69684)
again?
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And I expected everyone that bought an Oktoberfest to be able to hold onto their beer....
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How did this same dude get two of the same cap? Or did first buyer fall through?
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Interesting.. don't people normally re-list the item if the sale falls through (I'm not actually sure, but it seems like that would be the standard).
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Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all
If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
I'm not the one selling that key, rest assured.
What does this "purity" mean? I'm an artist, I make art because I love doing so. What delusion? Seriously, who are you even talking to?
I don't even sell the majority of the art I make (not very businessman-like). Hmm... actaully that might not be true, I work on more
commissions so that probably counts (non keycap and keycap related).
Idealy I would like the people who enjoy my work to get the chance to, well, enjoy my work (simple concept). I would also like to make a living
while doing so (also a very simple concept).
I am more of an artist than a business man (if that's important) and that's by choice. Why? Again, I love being an artist, that's why. I don't live
to make money, I live to make art. Is that "pure" enough for you?
please... just please... =P
...Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...
I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.
LoL, I should take this as a huge compliment. You make me sound like I'm an evil artist mastermind. Btw, it sounds like most people know the art world better than you. I've worked with thousands of artists and artisans over the years (closing in on 20) so I might be a bit biased in my more realistic/accurate view of artists. ;)
For the first time in my life I am not soley an "artist", rather I am one on the side now. My day job is deep in the arts but it's no longer directly in the making of it. The day job is soley to help me live and provide the tools necessary to pursue my art further than before. Could I perhaps make a very humble and modest living strictly making keys? Maybe, anything is possible I suppose. But that would be a narrow pursuit of my abilities and interests I would think.
do you speak for yourself or the majority of geekhackers?
He speaks for the majority of himself.
lol, right....
To the point, funny, and true. A short but good reply.
I don't know CC... and the work that he (she? Gender unknown)...
...Now CC doesn't sell his (her? Again sorry)...
I accurately pee whillst standing.
For the tldr crowd-
-I'm not competing with myself
-I'm an artist
-tp4tissue is wrong again
-Kaysa just found that ^ out
-DangWanG was right
-Asura found out that I have a penis (by reading)
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He speaks! I think a lot of the issues stem from certain people seeing your work as just a cool key, rather than art.
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And many lol's were had (and funny looks from my better half!)
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Where is tp4tissue now?
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And many lol's were had (and funny looks from my better half!)
I lol'd too! It was hysterical!
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Still puzzled as to why this is under 'great finds', as the OP is clearly complaining about it.
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Doesn't mean its a bad find:)
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💩 find?
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@clickclack - Well said, sir. Very well said.
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Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all
If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
I'm not the one selling that key, rest assured.
What does this "purity" mean? I'm an artist, I make art because I love doing so. What delusion? Seriously, who are you even talking to?
I don't even sell the majority of the art I make (not very businessman-like). Hmm... actaully that might not be true, I work on more
commissions so that probably counts (non keycap and keycap related).
Idealy I would like the people who enjoy my work to get the chance to, well, enjoy my work (simple concept). I would also like to make a living
while doing so (also a very simple concept).
I am more of an artist than a business man (if that's important) and that's by choice. Why? Again, I love being an artist, that's why. I don't live
to make money, I live to make art. Is that "pure" enough for you?
please... just please... =P
...Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...
I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.
LoL, I should take this as a huge compliment. You make me sound like I'm an evil artist mastermind. Btw, it sounds like most people know the art world better than you. I've worked with thousands of artists and artisans over the years (closing in on 20) so I might be a bit biased in my more realistic/accurate view of artists. ;)
For the first time in my life I am not soley an "artist", rather I am one on the side now. My day job is deep in the arts but it's no longer directly in the making of it. The day job is soley to help me live and provide the tools necessary to pursue my art further than before. Could I perhaps make a very humble and modest living strictly making keys? Maybe, anything is possible I suppose. But that would be a narrow pursuit of my abilities and interests I would think.
do you speak for yourself or the majority of geekhackers?
He speaks for the majority of himself.
lol, right....
To the point, funny, and true. A short but good reply.
I don't know CC... and the work that he (she? Gender unknown)...
...Now CC doesn't sell his (her? Again sorry)...
I accurately pee whillst standing.
For the tldr crowd-
-I'm not competing with myself
-I'm an artist
-tp4tissue is wrong again
-Kaysa just found that ^ out
-DangWanG was right
-Asura found out that I have a penis (by reading)
Dude.. LOL are you naive.. or do you think that of the rest of us are..
You can ONLY say exactly what you said in this situation.....
It wasn't a choice... so we could already "assume" before you responded, that that's what you would've said..
Let me clarify
I don't fault you or think poorly of you "IF you were the seller"
I'm merely saying that those who seem to definitively "assert" that you're not the seller is baseless..
My argument is not against "you", it is against the kids who are being illogical.
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Dude, for all we know,, It's Click Clack himself selling these caps at jacked prices.... I mean, WHY NOT.... He's a business man after all
If any of you still retain delusions of "purity" in an artist / person.. please... just please..
I'm not the one selling that key, rest assured.
What does this "purity" mean? I'm an artist, I make art because I love doing so. What delusion? Seriously, who are you even talking to?
I don't even sell the majority of the art I make (not very businessman-like). Hmm... actaully that might not be true, I work on more
commissions so that probably counts (non keycap and keycap related).
Idealy I would like the people who enjoy my work to get the chance to, well, enjoy my work (simple concept). I would also like to make a living
while doing so (also a very simple concept).
I am more of an artist than a business man (if that's important) and that's by choice. Why? Again, I love being an artist, that's why. I don't live
to make money, I live to make art. Is that "pure" enough for you?
please... just please... =P
...Thus, CC's strategy had been to create an artificial veil of scarcity, establish an "artist" reputation, then Gouge prices...
I don't know if you guys know the art world all that well, but this is a TRIED and TRUE strategy... adopted by nearly all professionals in the field.
LoL, I should take this as a huge compliment. You make me sound like I'm an evil artist mastermind. Btw, it sounds like most people know the art world better than you. I've worked with thousands of artists and artisans over the years (closing in on 20) so I might be a bit biased in my more realistic/accurate view of artists. ;)
For the first time in my life I am not soley an "artist", rather I am one on the side now. My day job is deep in the arts but it's no longer directly in the making of it. The day job is soley to help me live and provide the tools necessary to pursue my art further than before. Could I perhaps make a very humble and modest living strictly making keys? Maybe, anything is possible I suppose. But that would be a narrow pursuit of my abilities and interests I would think.
do you speak for yourself or the majority of geekhackers?
He speaks for the majority of himself.
lol, right....
To the point, funny, and true. A short but good reply.
I don't know CC... and the work that he (she? Gender unknown)...
...Now CC doesn't sell his (her? Again sorry)...
I accurately pee whillst standing.
For the tldr crowd-
-I'm not competing with myself
-I'm an artist
-tp4tissue is wrong again
-Kaysa just found that ^ out
-DangWanG was right
-Asura found out that I have a penis (by reading)
Dude.. LOL are you naive.. or do you think that of the rest of us are..
You can ONLY say exactly what you said in this situation.....
It wasn't a choice... so we could already "assume" before you responded, that that's what you would've said..
Let me clarify
I don't fault you or think poorly of you "IF you were the seller"
I'm merely saying that those who seem to definitively "assert" that you're not the seller is baseless..
My argument is not against "you", it is against the kids who are being illogical.
I am still new here and don't know much about anything really, but my first impression after reading this is that CC was not really asking for a round 2 (or 2000 probably) of this debate, it sounds more like : It's not me, end of discussion.
He even took the time to give us the satisfaction of knowing why.
Let's just be happy with his answer and talk about our keyboards again!
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Stop being so naive, tp.
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Lets vote to have tp4 banned.
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Agreed.
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This needs more:
(http://imageshack.us/a/img11/3499/banhammer.gif)
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He even took the time to give us the satisfaction of knowing why.
He even took the time to give us the satisfaction of knowing his gender and saving me the trouble of bracketing!
p.s. see what I did there, I edited the quote so you didn't have to scroll through CC's response for a forth(fifth? I lost count) time, ain't I nice.
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Dude.. LOL are you naive..
No, not particulartly. But you know that already.
or do you think that of the rest of us are..
Nope.
You can ONLY say exactly what you said in this situation.....
Hmm... that's some poorly constructed reasoning. Perhaps even... illogical?
It wasn't a choice... so we could already "assume" before you responded, that that's what you would've said..
Well clearly you couldn't assume. but other people apparently can, and can do so quite correctly I might add.
Had it not been a choice and had you correctly assumed then you would have known you were wrong.
Ah but... something, blah, blah 20/20. ;)
Let me clarify
Go for it.
I don't fault you or think poorly of you "IF you were the seller"
Thanks, good to know. I can read though so I wasn't worried. I thought it would be nice to let others know more about me since there was so much speculation. I think you threw people off with the "purity" and "gouging" terms revolving around assumed underhanded practices.
I'm merely saying that those who seem to definitively "assert" that you're not the seller is baseless...
Was that really an issue? I think you just made that up. =P
Those "assertions" maybe total 3 whole members in this entire thread. Don't forget they were basically right too.
So apparently not baseless, they seemed to have based their thoughts off of personal correspondence and/or my writings and actions. Sounds pretty "based" to me.
Again, for clarity, if you knew that was what I was to say, how did you not know they were mostly right?
My argument is not against "you", it is against the kids who are being illogical.
Ok Spock.
Those "kids" were basically right though. So what's more illogical (improperly used), baseless assumptions that were mostly wrong, or well founded assumptions that were mostly right?
Funny thing that "logic", it tends to devalue the human experience when thrown around. Especially when used in a purely clinical fashion on a forum full of enthusiasts.
You should try and take some logic classes, they're fun, I recommend them. I had a focus in logic in college and I try preach it when teaching, lecturing, training, and performing demonstrations.
But something tells me none of this was the point of your posts. Nothing really wrong with being a contrarian, habitual or not, you just happen to be quite prolific at it. It's very important to try and think outside the box or the norm, even when you're still stuck inside it. It's a good exercise from time to time.
If somehow you're not a contrarian with an unfortunate bout of depression then unfortunately I think your cynical
scope, ulterior motive detector, and logic machine seem broken. Try plugging them in first? =P
For the tldr crowd-
- tp4tissue was still wrong
- wont accept this ^
- I can read
- Broken record
- Something, something, blah-blah, Star Trek
- Closet contrarian
- P.I.N.T.O. (put in nickle to operate) A.K.A. 1st rule of troubleshooting- Is it plugged in?
- CC had the night off apparently
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Mind = Blown
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clickclack, I want to put that post in my sig. ;D
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Bahahahahahahaahsha I LOzl'd once again!
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Doesn't that keycap makes you feel like grabbing a beer? I'm too fat for this.
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Ok Spock.
HA. I got this reference :D
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Dammit, stop putting these threads on GH. Look at what you did, LOOK AT IT!
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That went high!
I never find CC caps on eBay :(
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I love it when CC posts here, especially these responses to tp4tissue's trolling. Just goes to show you that CC really does have a sense of humor about all this, and doesn't take these pieces of plastic as seriously as some (all?) of us in this thread do.
His posts are gold! Even more so than his key caps are! We love you, CC. :D
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I accurately pee whillst standing.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_c7K8JThDInY/TOiYanx5n_I/AAAAAAAABZY/48GNFVJXqjs/s1600/stand%2Bup%2Bpee.bmp)
Is this also the "injection molding" process used for making beer caps?
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Is this also the "injection molding" process used for making beer caps?
Shhh... Trade secrets, you know. :P
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Lets vote to have tp4 banned.
If he wasn't the forum's pet troll, someone else would assume the position.
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Adrian bodybagging kids left right and centre.
Should be a battle rapper, not an artist!
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Lets vote to have tp4 banned.
If he wasn't the forum's pet troll, someone else would assume the position.
Didn't we already have a pet troll... now what was his name again?
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Lets vote to have tp4 banned.
If he wasn't the forum's pet troll, someone else would assume the position.
Didn't we already have a pet troll... now what was his name again?
I rest my case :P
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-Asura found out that I have a penis (by reading)
30 cm bro :D
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Speaking as an artisan, you're wrong (as a general but not ultimate rule). We have a fundamentally different set of neural pathways, both in-built and learned and whitest anyone can design, leaps of artistic creation show a lack of the formulaic which is often apparent in lay-design.
Obvious exceptions are artisans who learn business and business people who master design to such an extent that it becomes indistinguishable from true art. The work and reputation of the former tends to become corrupted by their ulterior mode (see Norman Foster), the latter turn into Steve Jobs...
The third, and rarest exception is those who are intrinsically capable of both art and business, the most recent example I can draw to mind is Danny Boyle.
I don't know CC, but from the brief chat we've had, and the work that he (she? Gender unknown) produces I'd say they fall into the "I make what I make because that's what I do" category money is not a motivator but a boring necessity.
CCs caps could be made in mass quantities, but to my eye they're made using a far, far, far lower yield method (not posting my guess) than SP uses (vacuum injection with $$$$$ machines?). Further more, we get to see the number of seconds CC produces, but not the number of outright rejects - the cost of which must be covered. Oh I could go on, and on, and on. But I'm sure this'll already earn me another TL;DR...
You're ignorant of the fact that "making money" does not conflict with "art"
The problem is, when the making money part is carry out, harvest and enjoyed by others(often art dealers/galleries/resellers) that do not create the art,
whilst the artist have to suffer or live poorly, that is immoral.
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Why do so many of you get cranked up over these supply and demand issues?
When demand exists, suppliers will almost always step in to satisfy it.
Controlling supply is usually hopeless, unless the monopoly is ironclad.
Personally, I am surprised that there is not competition or counterfeiting going on.
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You could say competition was attempted by other keycap makers. But none of them really match CC's success from my observation. Brobots might be a contender but they are discontinued(?) due to MMB's absence. Girldc caps are popular too but I don't think those caps are really taking away the appeal of CC's.
Counterfeiting was attempted from Asian hobbyists. Although I don't think they count as counterfeiting in the sense that they are trying to reproduce and sell as if they are genuine CC's...they just made skull caps that has CC's skull cap styles. None of them really match CC skulls though.