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Title: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: tns on Sun, 30 December 2012, 13:36:23
Hello everyone another question x'))

About 75% keyboards with no space between keys

from now was watching noppoo mini, keycool 84, and KBT race 75%...

I've seen different things but maybe... was wondering if all keyboard had these keys on hotkeys?

Print Scr (do they all got that key? or hotkey?)
Lock Scr (do they all got that key? or hotkey?)
Pause Break (do they all got that key? or hotkey?)
Num Lock (I guess this one is only for Noppoo mini)
Caps Lock (that one nevermind)
Scroll Lock (do they all got that key? or hotkey?)
Del Insert (do they all got that key? or hotkey?)
Switch Lock?? (I don't understand how does it work :o)

I not sure, but I guess all kind of 75% "all stick together keys" don't have the same stuff ;o

Thank you :D
Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: davkol on Sun, 30 December 2012, 16:05:41
I wish choc mini had dedicated key for Insert. I could live without Pause/Break; I really need Insert as a GNU/Linux guy.
Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 30 December 2012, 16:59:29
The Race has all of that minus the numlock.

I really like the smaller size, but here are the things I noticed, coming from a fullsize. The biggest surprise was that I miss the tenkeys less than I expected, even though I type IP addresses a bit. I don't really miss them, but I do miss the space between function keys as it helped discern which was where. F5 is now burried as opposed to being easily found.

I really dislike the calculator function key, as I tend to open the calculator when using backspace. My solution for this was to replace the FN key with a lower profile key, making it a bit harder to hit on accident. I'm hitting it less and less, but it is taking time to adjust. I also miss the large right shift key, you may not realize how often you use it.

Other than that, I like it, but the board isn't perfect. The ABS plastic keys feel a bit soft (non-led models use PBT), and the white chassis I have is offwhite plastic with an eggshell white paint over it, and it comes off easy. I planned on buying an aluminum case from the start.
Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: TotalChaos on Sun, 30 December 2012, 17:14:42
What I would like to know is which of these keyboards have:

The Right OS key?
The Help key / Menu key / whatever u wanna call it key (the key next to the right CTRL key)

I actually use those keys a lot and I have to have them on any keyboard I buy.

In the case of the HELP key it would be totally ok to have to press FN+something to generate the keycode to the computer.

In the case of the Right OS key it might be ok to press FN+Help or FN+RALT or FN+RCTRL (or something along those lines)

Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 30 December 2012, 17:20:37
The Race has no right OS key, and no menu key.

OS key is just Ctrl + Esc, not sure how to simulate the menu key, but if you can find it, you could remap the alt or ctrl key using autohotkey.
Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: TotalChaos on Sun, 30 December 2012, 17:37:07
The Race has no right OS key, and no menu key.

OS key is just Ctrl + Esc, not sure how to simulate the menu key, but if you can find it, you could remap the alt or ctrl key using autohotkey.
I will need to do experiments on this ctrl+esc thing... I donno if that is just a windoze thing or if the keyboard is actually emitting the keycode of an OS key, and which OS key is it emitting?  The Left or the Right?  They are 2 totally different keys with totally different uses.
Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 30 December 2012, 17:40:10
The Race has no right OS key, and no menu key.

OS key is just Ctrl + Esc, not sure how to simulate the menu key, but if you can find it, you could remap the alt or ctrl key using autohotkey.
I will need to do experiments on this ctrl+esc thing... I donno if that is just a windoze thing or if the keyboard is actually emitting the keycode of an OS key, and which OS key is it emitting?  The Left or the Right?  They are 2 totally different keys with totally different uses.
The OS/Windows key is just ctrl -esc, this works in Windows even on old IBM Model M's. However once you combine it with another key, such as E for Windows Explorer, all bets are off. So basically it can open the start menu this way, but nothing else.

Autohotkey can do a lot though and could be an easy way around this. I use it to correct some common spelling mistakes and block the Winkey during games.
Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: TotalChaos on Sun, 30 December 2012, 18:01:33
The Race has no right OS key, and no menu key.

OS key is just Ctrl + Esc, not sure how to simulate the menu key, but if you can find it, you could remap the alt or ctrl key using autohotkey.
I will need to do experiments on this ctrl+esc thing... I donno if that is just a windoze thing or if the keyboard is actually emitting the keycode of an OS key, and which OS key is it emitting?  The Left or the Right?  They are 2 totally different keys with totally different uses.
The OS/Windows key is just ctrl -esc, this works in Windows even on old IBM Model M's. However once you combine it with another key, such as E for Windows Explorer, all bets are off. So basically it can open the start menu this way, but nothing else.
  That would not work for me.  Under AmigaOS the OSkeys are modifier keys just like shift or alt so you end up with 1000s of keycodes you can assign as "function" keys.  And lots of software uses them so I require them.

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Autohotkey can do a lot though and could be an easy way around this. I use it to correct some common spelling mistakes and block the Winkey during games.
I will definitely keep it in mind.  I just donno if the Amiga virtual machine and the autohotkey will get in a fight over who does what with each key  ;D

If AutoHotKey dives lower down into the OS then all will work perfectly.

Using it as a kind of autospellchecker sounds kewl too.  But I am sure it would conflict with writing code :)


p.s. this msg was typed on a Rosewill RK-9000RE. omg this keyboard sux!  It died multiple times and flashed lights at me a few times too.  Bad connector and evil cable.
Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 30 December 2012, 18:10:36
p.s. this msg was typed on a Rosewill RK-9000RE. omg this keyboard sux!  It died multiple times and flashed lights at me a few times too.  Bad connector and evil cable.

Aren't they known for connector issues?
Open it and hardwire it.
Title: Re: How are/do work 75% "top right corner stuff"?
Post by: TotalChaos on Sun, 30 December 2012, 18:21:34
p.s. this msg was typed on a Rosewill RK-9000RE. omg this keyboard sux!  It died multiple times and flashed lights at me a few times too.  Bad connector and evil cable.

Aren't they known for connector issues?
Yes they are.  And for good reason.  But they claimed they fixed the issue in the 2012 production run.  Yes that is right, they have had the same problem for over a year.

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Open it and hardwire it.
I am in waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much pain to do that myself.  My options are:
A: Annoy Rosewill by sending it back to them.  (The keyboard is only 31 days old)
B: Hire someone to fix it who actually knows and cares something about keyboards.  (I am certain that nobody at Rosewill cares about keyboards.  To Rosewill Inc. a keyboard is just an annoying thing that millions of annoying ppl return as being defective.)