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Title: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Mon, 31 December 2012, 05:09:31
I think there are just too many people speculating around for a suitable casing GB, MO to happen. Honestly, the plu casing isn't going to cut it for me and I wanted something better.
I'm thinking why not we input all of our ideas and specifications and then we could start approaching suppliers to help create this casing that we wanted.
I've already seen a couple of casing threads around but nothing is really materialising.

I'm thinking to make a casing that can contain this plate with the extra keys.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/plates/ANS125-rev2.png)

Prototyping the 1st and 2nd board already. I know it looks awfully similar to litster and MKC woes. I've tried a few designs and it seems like layers of arcylic is the most easy and cost effective way to go.

Here are some pictures and the expected price range is almost 3 times cheaper than the original 150 usd.

87 key top plate
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/940854_572550532784542_1675391901_n.jpg)

96 key type.
(http://i.imgur.com/qz8vF6V.jpg)

Using the filco as the substitute model while i wait for the WFD plates to arrive, the PCB size is exactly same as the filco. Also planned for the bottom area to have a hole so you don't have to disassemble the casing to press the teensy button.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 31 December 2012, 05:21:03
I sort of have a few finished designs already. I friend of a friend has a laser cutter and both the machine and he will have more time in late January. I have been waiting for this and hopefully I will be able to squeeze a couple of things in. In the meantime I have examples of things that have been cut before which I can post pics of later.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 31 December 2012, 05:22:20
Any models of what they look like d-money?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 31 December 2012, 05:38:10
I am not at home nover the holidays, and I didn't put them on the NAS so I can't access them at the moment luffy-beast.

It seems the computer I am at can't access the pics in my phone which I took of the example. The thing I was going to show you is made out of 3mm plywood. Going to work on uploading those after New years.

This machine is a smaller one and can't cut metal at all, but it is far cheaper to use than the high power ones.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 31 December 2012, 05:43:36
Not having a nice looking case is the only thing keeping me away from the phantom R2. :(
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: takaki on Mon, 31 December 2012, 05:53:43
Did you use any software to come out with your design? Or everything is just on paper O:
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: damorgue on Mon, 31 December 2012, 05:56:34
Depends on which you like. I suggest autocad, catia, proengineer or inventor. I know a lot of people prefer autocad when it comes to largely 2D cad, but it is fairly easy in the others as well. If you have access to any one of them or have previously used one of them, I suggest you use that one.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 31 December 2012, 06:12:43
2D = AutoCAD is basically the standard
3D = I strongly prefer Solidworks, but inventor will do if it's the only thing available


I also like to model in Sketchup if I want something quick and dirty to remodel in Solidworks/Inventor later
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: takaki on Mon, 31 December 2012, 08:30:41
Thank you, would try and work on it now, also keen to see damorgue's work!
Title: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Mon, 31 December 2012, 09:52:01
Ditto on SolidWorks for this kind of design work. It would be a lot easier to figure out fitting issues if you own a Phantom from R1 though.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: takaki on Wed, 02 January 2013, 06:55:54
I saw that the PCB has a very similar fitting layout as compared to a filco, I could use a Filco PCB as a reference.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: nebo on Wed, 02 January 2013, 09:57:36
There is this thread (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=38360.0) and I think boost was thinking of doing something but I'm not sure (and of course I can't speak for them :P).
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:01:11
^If that project is completed, couldn't you theoretically use the file with other types of material, such as wood?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: nebo on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:04:08
^If that project is completed, couldn't you theoretically use the file with other types of material, such as wood?
I'm not an expert (it's been almost a decade since I did CAD or 3D work) but I would assume that if whatever you were using for milling could take the files it wouldn't be an issue. Might have limitations with materials? I dunno, I just buy the fancy things people make.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:06:11
^I've never used either, and I do the same, but I just try to nudge people in the direction I'd hope to see them go. A nice wooden case would be great.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:10:12
I'm working on a case.

Got the plate done(sent out for prototype) and top half of the case finished(waiting for prototype quote)

I'll be making a thread sometime this.week about the case
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:15:49
What kind of material, boost?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:16:41
What kind of material, boost?

6061 aluminum
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:23:37
Hey boost did you use the stainless steel plate for testing? Will the plate used affect the case fitting since I know there's an IC for a new plate for WFD's design since not everyone was able to grab spares from the first GB.

Thanks ahead of time. I look forward to seeing your design ;D
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: nebo on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:24:30
I'm working on a case.

Got the plate done(sent out for prototype) and top half of the case finished(waiting for prototype quote)

I'll be making a thread sometime this.week about the case
Make the top half of the case have a winkeyless option!
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:38:19
Hey boost did you use the stainless steel plate for testing? Will the plate used affect the case fitting since I know there's an IC for a new plate for WFD's design since not everyone was able to grab spares from the first GB.

Thanks ahead of time. I look forward to seeing your design ;D

plate design changed a bit and don't remember if it was SS. -_-

I'm working on a case.

Got the plate done(sent out for prototype) and top half of the case finished(waiting for prototype quote)

I'll be making a thread sometime this.week about the case
Make the top half of the case have a winkeyless option!

:) only Winkeyless and 86 key


(http://i.imgur.com/ri03E.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:39:47
I think he means to have the case cover the middle switch.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:40:39
Ah so this is a plate+case combo, I see I see...
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:46:36
Ah so this is a plate+case combo, I see I see...

yep, plate/case combo. :D
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 02 January 2013, 10:51:53
Will we be able to purchase the plates separately?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Wed, 02 January 2013, 11:04:00
Will we be able to purchase the plates separately?

No, it will be part of the case. The plate file is open source(I think -_-)
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 02 January 2013, 11:05:41
Right, but I was thinking it may be nice to be able to switch between two setups with the one case. Maybe the case could come with both plates?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Wed, 02 January 2013, 11:46:48
Right, but I was thinking it may be nice to be able to switch between two setups with the one case. Maybe the case could come with both plates?

both plate? Do you mean switching from winkeyless to 86key?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 02 January 2013, 12:18:16
Yes, but never mind. I probably wouldn't do that anyway...
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Leewei on Wed, 02 January 2013, 12:43:49
Can't wait to see this! Missed out on kmac 2 from mmb's sell thread, so want to make up for it by focusing on phantom. If casing can be done winkeyless and aluminum material, don't think I will need a korean custom anymore =D
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 02 January 2013, 12:50:04
boost, can you make a small change to the plate, where the 2x stabilized keys are. Just cut out those top tabs around the switch. Like this:

(http://i.imgur.com/4GC6N.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Wed, 02 January 2013, 12:54:43
boost, can you make a small change to the plate, where the 2x stabilized keys are. Just cut out those top tabs around the switch. Like this:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4GC6N.jpg)



I can, but why?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 02 January 2013, 12:57:02
If the stabilizer/switch hole footprints are directly derived form the Phantom plate, the stabilized switches cannot be opened without a small modification to the plate.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Wed, 02 January 2013, 13:01:13
If the stabilizer/switch hole footprints are directly derived form the Phantom plate, the stabilized switches cannot be opened without a small modification to the plate.

Gottcha, will add this to the cad file when I get home.

Thanks
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: t2russo on Wed, 02 January 2013, 17:20:07
My wallet is ready...
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 02 January 2013, 20:31:44
I would love a Aluminum Case for a Phantom, but they're too expensive. I'm a aspiring keyboardist on a budget, unfortunately. An Alu case would be awesome for the Phantom, and being able to anodize it would add to the whole "it's YOUR Keyboard and no one else's" thing about the Phantom.

So: If someone (no matter how unlikely) could bring a decent Aluminum Case to market (don't need the Plate, just the case) at ~USD150, then I'd be set. Even better would be $100 :P but that's unlikely. I could also go for an Acrylic case, but the boundaries required to be solid would probably be too thick for me. Wood, if it were properly sealed and came in a variety of finishes, would be interesting to say the least. I'm not entirely sure I would like a Wood case though that would add even more to the "It's your keyboard and no one else's" thing.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: takaki on Thu, 03 January 2013, 04:00:12
the material cost of aluminium ( or maybe we can look into using composite aluminium) is relatively cheap, just have to find a place that can run productions of your case for a great value.

I'm a keyboardist on a budget too, the premium price people are willing to pay on geekhack is over the roof.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Thu, 03 January 2013, 07:58:25
the material cost of aluminium ( or maybe we can look into using composite aluminium) is relatively cheap, just have to find a place that can run productions of your case for a great value.

This is the hard part, finding a shop with a decent price.

Best quote I got for the top half to be prototyped is $200ish. -_-. If someone know a CNC shop please with decent pricing, please let me know.


Thanks
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 03 January 2013, 08:09:04
treble is getting close to setting up, right? I know that the other cases done by him are sort of a help to the community kind of thing, but if we're coming at this from a full group buy project sort of way, maybe he can work something out with us?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Thu, 03 January 2013, 08:37:36
Top Cover

(http://i.imgur.com/WyFRO.png)
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Thu, 03 January 2013, 08:42:07
Lookin' good boost. I assume this is a 2 layer case? (with the plate in the middle) What did you have in mind for the bottom layer? Something similar to KMAC? Or perhaps more unique?

Also what program are you working under? SolidWorks? Please let me know if I can help! I'm excited :)
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 03 January 2013, 08:51:00
the material cost of aluminium ( or maybe we can look into using composite aluminium) is relatively cheap, just have to find a place that can run productions of your case for a great value.

This is the hard part, finding a shop with a decent price.

Best quote I got for the top half to be prototyped is $200ish. -_-. If someone know a CNC shop please with decent pricing, please let me know.


Thanks

Maybe get the top laser cutter rough cut the top and then have a mill clean up the edges and make any holes you have on the bottom? (Since laser cutting thick stock leaves striations)
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: takaki on Fri, 04 January 2013, 00:28:50
I'm trying to ask all the CNC shops as well.

say if someone else did find a very affordable CNC shop, is your CAD file going to be shared or ?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 04 January 2013, 10:57:09
Depending on the price, I think a lot of people would like to see variations of this case boost is working on. I personally would like to see it with a 7bit layout left of the main board (delete/arrow keys), though that's not what I'm using it for (Macros ftw). I don't really like the Winkeyless board, but I could manage (though I would want the menu key. I like the menu key for spell-checking while I'l typing something.)

Overall, I think this would be very cool, and I hope that this will come in at a price even budget Phantom builders can afford (IE less than a Filco Tenkeyless.) I also hope your plate design is basically the original Phantom's with some improvements if it's going to be built in.

I just want the plate be customizable (IE one for ANSI 1.25x mods, one for ANSI 1.50x mods, etc)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/plates/ANS150-rev2.png)
This is what I'm hoping for in the case, so I think having 4 variations (since you said "Only Winkeyless and 86-key) 2 without the 5 extra keys above the inverted-t shape and 2 with would make people happy (well, It would at least make ME happy.

<sarcasm> since I'm the only one that matters in this forum </sarcasm>

EDIT: Changed wording to sound less like I'm milling it and don't know what I'm getting/to sound less bossy
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: alaricljs on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:05:12
Problem is that it's not just the plate, the top frame has to match the plate.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:09:17
Yes, I know.

This is what I'm hoping for in the case,

I know it's a case, I just used WFD's ANSI150 plate design to show my preferred layout for it (which has nothing to do with the screws), so he could maybe look into having different variations on the case.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:15:39
If you are building a Phantom in hopes of it being cheaper than Filcos, I think you might be slightly ill informed
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: nebo on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:18:28
If you are building a Phantom in hopes of it being cheaper than Filcos, I think you might be slightly ill informed
This. I'm guessing just whatever case you get is going to cost at least as much as a Filco (unless you're gutting a PLU or Filco). I'll gladly pay the price if it is a quality product that looks good. I mean the entire board without keys or case is ~$130 assembled if I remember right). So wanting this to be in the range of a Filco, you're looking at a $50 case with doing assembly yourself and that is without keys.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:19:28
If you are building a Phantom in hopes of it being cheaper than Filcos, I think you might be slightly ill informed

NO! That would be stupid of me. From 60 for the PCB/Teensy to 80 for the Keycaps (and a calculated 50 for the Cherry MX Green switches), there's no WAY I'll get a Phantom for less than a Filco. I'm hoping for a nice CASE that's cheaper than a full Filco keyboard.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: boost on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:23:12
The top plate can be modded for other layouts down the line.

This case will be more then a filco.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:25:44
If you are building a Phantom in hopes of it being cheaper than Filcos, I think you might be slightly ill informed

NO! That would be stupid of me. From 60 for the PCB/Teensy to 80 for the Keycaps (and a calculated 50 for the Cherry MX Green switches), there's no WAY I'll get a Phantom for less than a Filco. I'm hoping for a nice CASE that's cheaper than a full Filco keyboard.
Ah gotcha, that will be a tough goal. The aluminum Vortex cases (although they cannot house Phantoms) went for $148 which is pretty close to Filco's.

EDIT: Nevermind, boost estimates more than Filco
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:26:20
The Vortex aluminum Filco case costs $150, and that is seen as inexpensive. The MKC case was $350, and while the build quality was better, it was still too expensive for most.

I would estimate $60-80 plus shipping for your switches. You want to buy around 100 switches, so you have a few extra "just in case."

If you just get the PCB, Teensy, diodes, stabilizers, plate, switches, and buy someone's stock Filco (or something) keycaps), you could probably come in around the same as a Filco. Make a cardboard case for it and there you have it. Otherwise, plan to spend serious money on this project. :D
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:27:38
That's disappointing...but doesn't completely stop me...I can probably squeeze $200, but not a ton more...It also depends on when it's for sale...
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 04 January 2013, 11:32:22
The Vortex aluminum Filco case costs $150, and that is seen as inexpensive. The MKC case was $350, and while the build quality was better, it was still too expensive for most.

I would estimate $60-80 plus shipping for your switches. You want to buy around 100 switches, so you have a few extra "just in case."

If you just get the PCB, Teensy, diodes, stabilizers, plate, switches, and buy someone's stock Filco (or something) keycaps), you could probably come in around the same as a Filco. Make a cardboard case for it and there you have it. Otherwise, plan to spend serious money on this project. :D
Yeah. This will be pricey (but totally worth it) I know about both the previous aluminum cases. The extra switches do make sense. Everything but the Plate, switches, stabilizers, and keycaps are in the kit, and I can't really do anything with this until the summer when I have time... :P I would hope the cardboard cases would be extremely temporary because I don't think Cardboard can handle the sheer awesomeness of the Phantom...I'm thinking for me, this project would last a good year, being finished around this same time 2014. And Filco caps won't work. 1.50x mods FTW
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: reverkiller on Fri, 04 January 2013, 20:29:34
FWIW, I'm currently planning on building my case out of cardboard, coated in something to make it resist the sweat from my sweaty sweaty palms. It will be "free", especially if I can get my mom to pick up some boxes from Costco that weekend :P
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Fri, 04 January 2013, 21:28:27
FWIW, I'm currently planning on building my case out of cardboard, coated in something to make it resist the sweat from my sweaty sweaty palms. It will be "free", especially if I can get my mom to pick up some boxes from Costco that weekend :P

Can you release the blueprints so I can use my Phantom before Christmas 2013? It's not going to be used before September 2013, but hopefully I can use it before 2013.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 05 January 2013, 02:20:17
Best quote I got for the top half to be prototyped is $200ish. -_-. If someone know a CNC shop please with decent pricing, please let me know.

$200 for just the top cover... can't wait to pay for the whole case  8) .

And it looks like your plate is basically exactly like the original ANSI150 with a few additional tabs to mount it on the case? You should consider modifying the switches with stabilizers, and realign the bottom half of the holes again.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: llovro on Tue, 08 January 2013, 12:55:58
I'm also interested in a case like this. I hope it wont be too expensive ... Dang this phantoms are expensive ...
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Leewei on Tue, 08 January 2013, 12:57:18
I am guessing we are waiting on better quotes? I hope this all works out. Cheers!
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 08 January 2013, 15:28:06
I'm also interested in a case like this. I hope it wont be too expensive ... Dang this phantoms are expensive ...
It's confirmed to be more than $150, likely $200-300. Yes, Phantoms are expensive. What, did you expect to make a custom programmable keyboard for cheap?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 08 January 2013, 15:33:33
I got mine for about $100 total including a Graphite Set, Whiskerbox cable, 65g springs, lube and stickers. I'm still looking for a case however.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 08 January 2013, 15:38:57
SmallFry with the trades FTW!
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 08 January 2013, 15:40:25
Aye! Did have to shell out for the springs and Graphite Set shipping... ugh.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: llovro on Tue, 08 January 2013, 16:52:27
I'm also interested in a case like this. I hope it wont be too expensive ... Dang this phantoms are expensive ...
It's confirmed to be more than $150, likely $200-300. Yes, Phantoms are expensive. What, did you expect to make a custom programmable keyboard for cheap?
No, I certainly dont expect such a keyboard to be cheap. I expressed myself wrong. I was more reffering to the case...
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Tue, 08 January 2013, 18:34:33
I'm also interested in a case like this. I hope it wont be too expensive ... Dang this phantoms are expensive ...
It's confirmed to be more than $150, likely $200-300. Yes, Phantoms are expensive. What, did you expect to make a custom programmable keyboard for cheap?
No, I certainly dont expect such a keyboard to be cheap. I expressed myself wrong. I was more reffering to the case...
I understood. An aluminum case would be $200-300. Expect the project to be closer to $500 if you want to go the metal case route.

tl;dr: I understood what you meant
Title: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Tue, 08 January 2013, 18:53:59
SmallFry the trade magician
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 08 January 2013, 19:10:23
I don't think it counts if you don't count the value of the trades, SF.
Title: Re: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 08 January 2013, 19:14:26
I don't think it counts if you don't count the value of the trades, SF.
Well, true... but I liked the goal and the hunt for under $100 out of pocket. I have some case files that I'm going to get made to see if they'll fit, if not, I'll have to modify them.
Title: Re: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: reverkiller on Tue, 08 January 2013, 19:41:35
I don't think it counts if you don't count the value of the trades, SF.
Well, true... but I liked the goal and the hunt for under $100 out of pocket. I have some case files that I'm going to get made to see if they'll fit, if not, I'll have to modify them.

I have no idea where to start in designing a case. Any tips for me? I'm not looking for anything fancy, just something I can get cut at my brothers school with their on hand acrylic. I'd like to design it myself, but I don't even know what software to pick up haha.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: damorgue on Tue, 08 January 2013, 19:46:00
I have no idea where to start in designing a case. Any tips for me? I'm not looking for anything fancy, just something I can get cut at my brothers school with their on hand acrylic. I'd like to design it myself, but I don't even know what software to pick up haha.
Solidworks, Inventor, Catia, ProEngineer, Autocad

Pick one. Autocad is the most common when it comes to more 2D-oriented work.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 09 January 2013, 08:31:40
^^hint - acrylic cases are basically 2D work.  Z axis is controlled by your material choices.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 09 January 2013, 08:33:27
Still trying to figure out if I'm going to have to dremel in what I want indented(cut out into the case, but not a through hole) in the DXF files I got from LifeZone. Ugh, the choices, the choices.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: llovro on Wed, 09 January 2013, 12:04:42
Also what about wooden case? How hard would it be to make it? Would it be cheaper than alluminium?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Wed, 09 January 2013, 12:21:34
Also what about wooden case? How hard would it be to make it? Would it be cheaper than alluminium?
Would be super cheap if you pick up some wood and carve it yourself lol

But to do it the proper way with everything flush and sanded and clear finish...it might be cheaper? But I'm not sure if it'll be easy.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: alaricljs on Wed, 09 January 2013, 12:23:50
Technically to do it right, it gets run on the same sort of CNC machine as metal, it would be less machine time since you can go faster.  The thing is, finding someone that'll do that sort of woodwork and getting a price.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: llovro on Wed, 09 January 2013, 13:18:52
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/wooden-filco-mj2-tkl-case-maybe-custom-wood-stuff-t2627-90.html
I found this. Too bad the project got canceled. And one case was 140€ which is 182$...
I would definetly get something like this if it was cheaper ...
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: Acetrak on Wed, 09 January 2013, 13:48:37
Unfortunately, most of the time custom made things aren't cheap :(
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: llovro on Wed, 09 January 2013, 14:36:18
Unfortunately, most of the time custom made things aren't cheap :(
Yeah I realised that...
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: takaki on Thu, 10 January 2013, 12:35:18
oo finally some pictures that are still available of that case.

Any idea what kind of wood is that ?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 10 January 2013, 12:48:37
Also what about wooden case? How hard would it be to make it? Would it be cheaper than alluminium?

hmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: takaki on Sun, 13 January 2013, 06:40:26
hmmmmmmmmm

Any conclusions ? :D
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: WRXChris on Sun, 13 January 2013, 06:59:29
oo finally some pictures that are still available of that case.

Any idea what kind of wood is that ?

it's oak.  I own that prototype :D
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: nebo on Wed, 16 January 2013, 13:04:30
I really don't see the fascination with wood cases. Might just be me but I like my electronics cold, sharp, and hard. Much like a woman's love.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 16 January 2013, 15:13:49
I really don't see the fascination with wood cases. Might just be me but I like my electronics cold, sharp, and hard. Much like a woman's love.
They're unique. The only Wood mechanical keyboards I've seen consist of one Korean Mechanical keyboard on eBay, whereas I've seen plenty of Korean keyboards with aluminum cases. It's a matter of preference and if you want something REALLY unique. Also, the wood cases are maybe a hair easier because someone fairly prominent on these forums makes custom palmrests out of wood.
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 16 January 2013, 22:18:05
hmmmmmmmmm

Any conclusions ? :D

I was going to try over my winter break to make a wood poker case, but I've been pretty busy with other stuff. Plus, it would be pretty hard to make them one by one without a ton of templates or a CNC machine

I really don't see the fascination with wood cases. Might just be me but I like my electronics cold, sharp, and hard. Much like a woman's love.
They're unique. The only Wood mechanical keyboards I've seen consist of one Korean Mechanical keyboard on eBay, whereas I've seen plenty of Korean keyboards with aluminum cases. It's a matter of preference and if you want something REALLY unique. Also, the wood cases are maybe a hair easier because someone fairly prominent on these forums makes custom palmrests out of wood.

Who dat?
Title: Re: Let's make a alu/wood/aryclic casing for the upcoming phantom
Post by: inteli722 on Thu, 31 January 2013, 20:30:45
I really don't see the fascination with wood cases. Might just be me but I like my electronics cold, sharp, and hard. Much like a woman's love.
They're unique. The only Wood mechanical keyboards I've seen consist of one Korean Mechanical keyboard on eBay, whereas I've seen plenty of Korean keyboards with aluminum cases. It's a matter of preference and if you want something REALLY unique. Also, the wood cases are maybe a hair easier because someone fairly prominent on these forums makes custom palmrests out of wood.

Who dat?

;)
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:35:36
CPR with pictures.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: nebo on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:53:34
This is actually happening?! If so then I need to go back to winkeyless if possible!
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: Sai on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:54:42
wo. the prototype looks nice. is it possible to have different colors combination like litster's case?
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Mon, 13 May 2013, 00:26:05
This is actually going to happen. Yes definitely can look into it.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 13 May 2013, 00:39:19
I'm getting alzheimer. This thread has been out for a while, I even commented on it, yet I don't recall any of this :/

So the complete case is $50?
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 13 May 2013, 00:40:50
I'm getting alzheimer. This thread has been out for a while, I even commented on it, yet I don't recall any of this :/

So the complete case is $50?

To be fair, there weren't any posts for over 100 days  :p
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Mon, 13 May 2013, 00:52:54
I'm getting alzheimer. This thread has been out for a while, I even commented on it, yet I don't recall any of this :/

So the complete case is $50?

It is just a ball park figure without shipping, waiting for your plate patiently bro.. cannot finalise yet without the plate.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 13 May 2013, 00:57:25
Wait what plate lol. Picture shows Phantom ANSI125? I can send this one out right now, but other designs I'm waiting on Beast.

edit: spreadsheet says you ordered the ANS125 and ANS150, which I have right now. I'll send these out to you to get the ball rollin for this thread, but you gave 2 different addresses. I'll PM you about this.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: Rendom on Mon, 13 May 2013, 01:08:57
I would really love to have this happen. I will buy at least 1-2 : )
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Mon, 13 May 2013, 02:47:08
Settled the plates issue with WFD, now waiting for the plate to get finalize the final set.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 13 May 2013, 03:01:11
What if we got the PRF plate? It has extra keys on the function row.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Mon, 13 May 2013, 03:06:53
A variant for the whole function row to be cut into a single long hole is possible as well.
Meaning to say the opening for the esc key to stretch all the way to F12 or the pause key?
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: TheQsanity on Mon, 13 May 2013, 03:24:03
Something like that. .. I am on my phone right now, cant really check...
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Mon, 13 May 2013, 05:49:36
No worries, I'll check it out and confirm for you.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 13 May 2013, 06:29:30
Nice work man. Looks like a neat budget case. I would definitely buy it if I didn't hate acrylic so much..
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: gliy on Mon, 13 May 2013, 08:40:00
What is the thickness on the acrylic sections you are using?
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Tue, 14 May 2013, 12:23:18
3-5mm a combination O:
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Tue, 14 May 2013, 12:26:03
Nice work man. Looks like a neat budget case. I would definitely buy it if I didn't hate acrylic so much..

Your case look way too awesome which makes this a big compliment for me :D, looking forward to the prototype and production run pricing.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 15 May 2013, 07:38:55
Want to keep an eye on this in hopes I can get a phantom built!
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 15 May 2013, 07:49:24
Nice work man. Looks like a neat budget case. I would definitely buy it if I didn't hate acrylic so much..

Your case look way too awesome which makes this a big compliment for me :D, looking forward to the prototype and production run pricing.
Thanks man!
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: Jupiter on Wed, 15 May 2013, 18:36:55
Seeing as how I'm now a poor bastard, this case looks to be perfect for those who want something awesome, unique and good looking but can't afford the aluminium ones on offer. Just hoping I could get Red
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 15 May 2013, 18:41:02
Will you be releasing your files? I have access to a laser for personal projects, and I'd love to build myself one of these cases.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: whiskytango on Wed, 15 May 2013, 21:33:34
Will you be releasing your files? I have access to a laser for personal projects, and I'd love to build myself one of these cases.

I would also like to see a copy of the file if you do decide to release. Either way, I am glad you are doing this case. It looks good and I like the idea of a lower cost alternative to aluminum.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: Rendom on Thu, 16 May 2013, 11:10:42
And later it becomes litster case all over again.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Thu, 16 May 2013, 13:14:55
I don't have the file even if I want to share with the community, been working closely with a factory outlet to get this done.

Going to create a thread at interest check to get a feel and probably a better pricing if the numbers are good.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 16 May 2013, 16:30:07
Can you get the files?
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: Rendom on Thu, 16 May 2013, 16:45:41
I don't have the file even if I want to share with the community, been working closely with a factory outlet to get this done.

Going to create a thread at interest check to get a feel and probably a better pricing if the numbers are good.

Please get the group buy going!  : )
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: takaki on Fri, 17 May 2013, 05:19:57
I'll see about the files when I see him again on monday.

Will definitely get the group buy going when it is approved by the mods here.
Title: Re: Let's make a acrylic casing for the upcoming phantom *PROTOTYPE OUT*
Post by: agodinhost on Mon, 27 May 2013, 19:53:04
I would love to get the files too ...
It would be half of the price cutting the acrylic at here (the shipping cost make it more expensive).
Do you think it would be possible to release these files as open source?