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Title: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: missalaire on Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:30:15
(http://i.imgur.com/Dh64XGw.jpg)
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:39:20
Looks coolish thoigh idk if thes will ever hit the states as we still dont have the 700
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:40:47
Interesting, to be sure. I'm interested in that tenkeypad also.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:41:11
I like this much better than the Poker2 Pro layout. I still don't think I will be trying it though. I suppose it will be really hard to get outside Korea. Maybe easy to get the Keycool version when it inevitably comes out.
No surprise to see a keypad. I guess rumor is true there is not going to be another fullsize from Leopold. Just get the keypad to match the fc700r. I think that is a good move.
Title: Re: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: TheProfosist on Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:48:25
Overall the format looks ok - but I question dedicating real estate for an insert key.
insert is useless for me and i think most people.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:50:20
3 programmable keys on the far right would have been more ideal.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: The_Beast on Sun, 20 January 2013, 14:59:53
3 programmable keys on the far right would have been more ideal.

Yup, and they easily could have fitted it too
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: eyesmiles on Sun, 20 January 2013, 15:08:14
I'm guessing they'll have the usual odd spacebar for the FC660M. A tenkeypad with PBT keycaps is welcomed in my book.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 20 January 2013, 15:17:13
Looks like another nightmare to find keycaps for.

R Shift?  Left Win?
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 20 January 2013, 15:24:13
Right shift is same as left, 2.25. You can find 1x Windows or blank keys from lot of place. I don't see a big problem there.
The spacebar mount is the #1 thing Leopold should change, use the same as everyone else. It serves no purpose other than to be annoying.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 20 January 2013, 16:12:02
Hands Up,,, If this thing comes with COSTAR STABILIZERS.. I will swim to Corea and bring it back.

I don't care about the insert key, cuz you can just map it into something else...
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Sun, 20 January 2013, 16:34:24
Right then, so it's wider than a Deck 82 (305mm), Noppoo Choc Mini (315mm), or the like, but you only get 66 keys. And it still hasn't got a TrackPoint.

Conclusion? "Meh."
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 20 January 2013, 17:12:45
Right then, so it's wider than a Deck 82 (305mm), Noppoo Choc Mini (315mm), or the like, but you only get 66 keys. And it still hasn't got a TrackPoint.

Conclusion? "Meh."

Hmmm..... True... But.... I think the proportions look good, because it feels more "svelte" due to its length, and less "bumbly" looking like the pure/pokers
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Vintage on Sun, 20 January 2013, 19:54:09
wow. Very cool. Nice layout for those who enjoy compact boards. I would think they will use dumb spacebars though. Does this mean both of these will be full PBT or just the 66-key?(EDIT: Nvm, I read further to see 1.3mm PBT on the description)

I might be very interested in the 21-key in MX blues if EK ever gets it in stock. I do have a lot of accounting courses to take in college!  ;D

Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 20 January 2013, 19:59:02
Awesome to see new stuff from Leopold.  I'm not a big fan of the layout but I want that tenkey :)
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: laffindude on Sun, 20 January 2013, 23:15:27
This sounds like one of the other 60% I've heard about. /poking my contacts. Being a 60% slut, I think I am gonna have to get one.

real pix.
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=1913972&extra=&page=1
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/5735418
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: jabar on Sun, 20 January 2013, 23:23:14
Having Delete in the upper right corner (like on the Choc Mini) is an awesome feature... surprised why Leopold chose not to do that, or squeeze in an extra key above the up arrow.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 20 January 2013, 23:31:55
Really interesting layout....I think I'd like to see an actual picture of it and maybe some reviews. Just think its weird that the button is insert and delete as a default. But I've heard really good things about Leopolds.
Title: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Rinsaku on Mon, 21 January 2013, 00:19:31
Wow this layout is pretty awesome! I really hopes this makes it to the US. I would definitely get one of these.
Title: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 21 January 2013, 00:25:47
My Korean girlfriend told me this keyboard is scheduled to come out Q1 :D
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Sinzz on Mon, 21 January 2013, 00:33:30
I honestly would prefer if the two keys on the right were Pg Up, Pg Dn or Home, End with Fn layers or something. I never use Insert, and I rarely use delete. Must say though, it IS an interesting concept. Glad to see more "60%" keyboards in the making with new looking layouts (and arrow keys!!!!!!!).

:D
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: LollyWater on Mon, 21 January 2013, 09:01:42
Looks perfect. Love that they followed in the FC700's footsteps in sharp edged design. Lets just hope they didn't in the low profile keys or irreplaceable space bar. I hope they release a Graphite coloured version. When and where can I get my hands on one of these?
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: akuJIWA on Mon, 21 January 2013, 09:11:31
(http://i.imgur.com/Wlpl4AF.jpg)
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Vintage on Mon, 21 January 2013, 09:16:44
Looks really nice. I like the green and red PBT "enter" keys too.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: akuJIWA on Mon, 21 January 2013, 09:17:47
Looks really nice. I like the green and red PBT "enter" keys too.

That's shift I think.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: kaiserreich on Mon, 21 January 2013, 09:24:39
reminds me of the new Matias TKL

(http://www.matias.ca/miniquietpro/pc/resources/images/FK303QPC_header_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Neo.X on Mon, 21 January 2013, 09:35:52
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Wlpl4AF.jpg)


Looks really nice, love the layout.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Vintage on Mon, 21 January 2013, 18:05:38
Looks really nice. I like the green and red PBT "enter" keys too.

That's shift I think.
Ohh yeah, my bad.

@dante unfortunately I think you might be on the right track. :(  EK still has shown no intentions of even stocking the FC700R yet.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: nebo on Mon, 21 January 2013, 18:08:33
Of all the keys to put on the right hand side they choose insert and delete. Home/end then page up/down would have been more useful IMO.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 21 January 2013, 18:14:27
Of all the keys to put on the right hand side they choose insert and delete. Home/end then page up/down would have been more useful IMO.

Reprogram it yourself using Autohotkey, it would be a 2 line code
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 January 2013, 18:51:58
Of all the keys to put on the right hand side they choose insert and delete. Home/end then page up/down would have been more useful IMO.

Reprogram it yourself using Autohotkey, it would be a 2 line code

yup, idk why people complain so much about layouts... you don't even have to use autohotkey,  You can use the scan code remapper for windows server, "works on xp/win7", to change any key to any other key.. This doesn't add another layer of input detection. Windows will automagically recognize the code for that insert key as esc for example.


this is better because it doesn't mess up games and other programs like autohotkey does sometimes...

Program is called "scancode remapper for windows nt",  downloads as part of a package from microsoft's website, so you know it's safe..
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: nebo on Mon, 21 January 2013, 19:04:17
I know you can change it, I'm just pointing out they chose the worst 2 of the 6 keys.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: TheProfosist on Mon, 21 January 2013, 19:17:56
i dont like having to have autohotkey installed on every system i use personally i rather have it setup decently or fully programmable
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 January 2013, 19:21:19
i dont like having to have autohotkey installed on every system i use personally i rather have it setup decently or fully programmable

Correct, this is a good argument.. It "is" troublesome to have to remap for "every" system...

But... how often does one "really" use different systems...  especially since it seems in the "what do you do with your keyboard thread"  everyone "hoards" their good keyboards  at HOME...
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 21 January 2013, 19:22:51
I'm guessing they'll have the usual odd spacebar for the FC660M. A tenkeypad with PBT keycaps is welcomed in my book.

No, they'll have a new odd spacebar!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 January 2013, 19:23:54
I know you can change it, I'm just pointing out they chose the worst 2 of the 6 keys.

well they HAD to have delete, that's a given...   so nothing else could really go above delete from that cluster which is remotely useful... MAYBE HOME...  and have it with a "toggle" ability for "END"
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 21 January 2013, 19:25:05
i dont like having to have autohotkey installed on every system i use personally i rather have it setup decently or fully programmable

You can make scripts an executable so that you don't even need to have AHK installed, just run the .exe
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 21 January 2013, 19:26:26
Leopold should start making their space bars like the "standardized" Filco, Das, Ducky, etc. It seems like they have a different space bar with every new model.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: jabar on Mon, 21 January 2013, 19:26:28
Swap the Delete and Insert works for me.

I hop between many operating systems, Windows, freeBSD, etc, so reliance upon third-party programs kinda sucks if such a simple change could be implemented in the original design.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: LollyWater on Mon, 21 January 2013, 20:02:03
There is no reason for that space bar to be as long as it is. If the Windows key was a 1.25 mod I'd be perfect.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 January 2013, 20:21:14
There is no reason for that space bar to be as long as it is. If the Windows key was a 1.25 mod I'd be perfect.

I think it's cuz some people have very short thumbs maybe? or just very small hands.. so the longer space bar helps them not have to travel their hands "up and down" as much.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Hyde on Mon, 21 January 2013, 21:02:21
reminds me of the new Matias TKL

Show Image
(http://www.matias.ca/miniquietpro/pc/resources/images/FK303QPC_header_1.jpg)


LOL exactly what I was thinking too.  Also am I the only one that think insert and delete keys are fine?  I use delete a lot actually.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: LollyWater on Mon, 21 January 2013, 22:00:24
There is no reason for that space bar to be as long as it is. If the Windows key was a 1.25 mod I'd be perfect.

I think it's cuz some people have very short thumbs maybe? or just very small hands.. so the longer space bar helps them not have to travel their hands "up and down" as much.

It still makes it that much harder to replace the caps.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Lastpilot on Tue, 22 January 2013, 18:27:48
Here is the official announcement: http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=bbs/gnuboard.php&bo_table=notice&sselect=&stext=&ssort=&sorder=&wr_id=135&page=

(http://i.imgur.com/yjQooyn.jpg)
I'm even liking how the PCB looks :D

Product may change upon release etc.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: NikoGasm on Tue, 22 January 2013, 18:51:55
I don't think I care for the keyboard too much, but I do like the numpad. Very simple design, it's perfect.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: OrpheusX on Wed, 23 January 2013, 09:03:53
Interesting that the official announcement pics show the board with blank white keycaps. Think they'll be shipping it that way? I like the white but I'm a terrible typist; I need the legends.

For a 60% board this is a pretty good layout. It deals with the usual tradeoffs btw the width of the shift key and having dedicated arrow keys sensibly...by simply widening the board enough for one extra key!

Also seeing the comparison photos makes me really wish the Matias didn't have such a thing for shiny black/silver...
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 23 January 2013, 09:08:16
Interesting that the official announcement pics show the board with blank white keycaps. Think they'll be shipping it that way? I like the white but I'm a terrible typist; I need the legends.

If you check out the Leopold products (specifically fc700r) , they usually have 3 versions of each color.

Blank
English Legends
English + Korean Legends

Its also worth noting that they have a nice soft grey color for the legends on white keycaps.

:] And yes they are all PBT.

Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: OrpheusX on Wed, 23 January 2013, 09:52:02
Hmm. My interest grows...
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 23 January 2013, 10:29:54
Say whatttt. That's an awesome keyboard. I wish I had slowed down on buying keyboards and being a consumer. Maybe it's time to sell some stuff.

Next step is for WASD and CM Storm to catch up, and start using PBT stock :D
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: sordna on Tue, 29 January 2013, 22:58:56
I'm even liking how the PCB looks :D

Looks nice but the USB connector on the PCB itself is not something I'm fond about. Argh, they should have put PgUp/PgDown instead of Insert/Delete... or they should have added 2 extra keys, there's room for them.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 01 April 2013, 13:54:24
Finally appeared on Leopold site (http://www.leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/list.php&ca_id=101002). Sadly, no blank white PBT options like the preview :[
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: morpheus on Mon, 01 April 2013, 23:38:49
This is dead sexy.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: calavera on Mon, 01 April 2013, 23:52:29
Interesting that the official announcement pics show the board with blank white keycaps. Think they'll be shipping it that way? I like the white but I'm a terrible typist; I need the legends.

If you check out the Leopold products (specifically fc700r) , they usually have 3 versions of each color.

Blank
English Legends
English + Korean Legends

Its also worth noting that they have a nice soft grey color for the legends on white keycaps.

:] And yes they are all PBT.



Decent amount of thickness in them too. The only down side was that leopolds used their own unique space bars. So nothing else was compatible. But I heard they're updating it so it's universal. Not sure if they implemented it on these new models though.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: orlando on Tue, 02 April 2013, 00:20:19
Now if only I could buy one from elitekeyboards.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 02 April 2013, 10:10:00
The 700, the 210, the 660... EK starting to fall behind.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Moosecraft on Fri, 12 April 2013, 15:43:10
These are going to be ****ING TOPRE switches!!!
Source: http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: lazerpointer on Fri, 12 April 2013, 15:45:10
These are going to be ****ING TOPRE switches!!!
Source: http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667

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Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Moosecraft on Fri, 12 April 2013, 15:54:23
These are going to be ****ING TOPRE switches!!!
Source: http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667

(Attachment Link)
HHKB killer for real??!!!
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: orlando on Fri, 12 April 2013, 16:00:51
I wonder how it will feel. I assume it will be more like a realforce 45g than the hhkb because of the plate, so I hope they release a 55g option. Been wanting to buy a 55g realforce but I'd love to get this instead.
Title: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Sinzz on Fri, 12 April 2013, 19:54:30
Wow.. Maybe if its cheap enough, I'll get this as well... Gaaahhh my funds.. But I've always wanted an affordable "60%" topre board similar to the HHKBs
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: kaiserreich on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:42:53
Oh god, wallethack in action again.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: sordna on Fri, 12 April 2013, 23:52:37
Anyone knows Korean here? Please please tell them to add 2 more keys, PgUp and PgDn, there's plenty of room under that Delete key.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Michael on Fri, 12 April 2013, 23:55:27
Anyone knows Korean here? Please please tell them to add 2 more keys, PgUp and PgDn, there's plenty of room under that Delete key.


I am sure their engineering team will get right on that! :P
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: kaiserreich on Sat, 13 April 2013, 00:42:43
I would also like to add a split spacebar, maybe a second and third Fn layer.
While they are at it, please ask them to add the ISO enter key, and maybe engineer a new LED backlit scheme. :p
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: laffindude on Sun, 14 April 2013, 03:13:12
I may have to buy one of those.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: Scoliosis Jones on Mon, 22 April 2013, 08:52:33
it looks like they sell them at gmarket

http://english.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=351344613&pos_shop_cd=EN&pos_class_cd=90000001&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=leopold

and the tenkey pad as well

http://english.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=351339610&pos_shop_cd=EN&pos_class_cd=90000001&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=leopold

anybody knows how to order them?
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: daerid on Mon, 22 April 2013, 10:05:45
Wow... finally a tenkey without that ridiculous "00" BS. Wish they made a Topre version of this, too :-\
Title: Re: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: AKIMbO on Mon, 22 April 2013, 21:41:59
Wow... finally a tenkey without that ridiculous "00" BS. Wish they made a Topre version of this, too :-\

Hey....the double and triple zero is useful if you are working with big numbers.  I can pump out accounting spread sheets crazy quick with my RF 23u and the triple zero.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: CommunistWitchDr on Tue, 23 April 2013, 02:00:03
I would want the numpad if not for the stuff at the top. If they just cut it off at numlock it would be perfect. But the way it is it would require more keys than come with a standard tenkey set.
Title: Re: Leopold announces NEW 66key FC660M mini keyboard and FC210TP keypad
Post by: daerid on Tue, 23 April 2013, 12:00:59
Hey....the double and triple zero is useful if you are working with big numbers.  I can pump out accounting spread sheets crazy quick with my RF 23u and the triple zero.

Ewwww... accounting spreadsheets. (I kid, I kid).