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Title: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:26:06
Hi , All

I'm come from Taiwan , now I just want introduce a new 60% keyboard for you guys !!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8096/8399838013_f13d66b2ca_c.jpg)

feature :

1. Aluminum top case design (with hairline , color can be change , CNC machining )
2. USB interface (USB upgrade firmware)
3. N-Key rollover
4. QWERTY Layout (Mutli-Lingual Layout)
5. Cherry switch(black/blue/brown/red..etc)

Keyboard sample picture link : www.flickr.com/photos/jewu8210/sets/72157632574538186/with/8400932182/

If you want see datasheet & layout , please check this link : https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B7TuRf3KQe7GNTE0RmQ2SDEzeEU/edit

If any question , just ask me !! or mail to me , justin@tex-design.com.tw

now we have already test function , compatibility , and habits .

this keyboard will announce in April ,
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: stonejoint on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:35:18
Looks nice, but need more photo.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:40:59
Pretty cool.. Is the bottom plastic?

I think the whole point of having an aluminum keyboard is to have as much 'aluminum" as possible..

It's out of vanity that we buy these things...

Why would anyone go "half way"....

Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: imadeanaccounttoseepics on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:41:47
Looks nice, but need more photo.

Click the link, there's a bunch there.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:46:02
Hey Justin.
1. "color can be change" Do you mean there will be different colors available?
2. Upgradable firmware. Is it possible to program the layout ourselves?
3. USB NKRO. Are you using USB fullspeed controller? or are you using multiple input devices hack? Or it is really a 6KRO keyboard with diodes on the matrix?

PS: Can you discuss the rationale behind the Function layer layout? It does not seem optimally laid out.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:50:40
Hey Justin.
1. "color can be change" Do you mean there will be different colors available?
2. Upgradable firmware. Is it possible to program the layout ourselves?
3. USB NKRO. Are you using USB fullspeed controller? or are you using multiple input devices hack? Or it is really a 6KRO keyboard with diodes on the matrix?

PS: Can you discuss the rationale behind the Function layer layout? It does not seem optimally laid out.

Thanks.

all moot.. autohotkey.. firmware programming is silly because keyboards so rarely travel... I'm not saying the feature is not nice, it's just not terribly important when we already have the solution "now"
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 28 January 2013, 01:56:15
Not everyone has the luxury of running AHK.
Edit: also AHK can't rebind function layer, which is the important part.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:04:42
Not everyone has the luxury of running AHK.
Edit: also AHK can't rebind function layer, which is the important part.

YES IT CAN

AHK can rebind whatever the f you want.. You just have to know the correct scan code the function layer is putting out.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: crazeco on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:13:31
There's something about the looks of this keyboard that I really dig...
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:15:55
And you don't see how retarded it is to give up 2 keys + the one you use for FN on a keyboard that is already hurting for more keys?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:17:05
There's something about the looks of this keyboard that I really dig...

LOL the edges match the macbook edges maybe? ;D
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:18:26
Hi, laffindude

first , thanks your question and advise

about your question ,
1. "color can be change" Do you mean there will be different colors available?
ANS : yes, first mass production , just for sliver color (but we will change maybe water-blue , metal-red ...etc)

2. Upgradable firmware. Is it possible to program the layout ourselves?
ANS : F/W upgrade have 2 function
1. fix problem , user don't return keyboard to shop , just like hotfix
2. we will release some layout , user can download and upgrade by themself

3. USB NKRO. Are you using USB fullspeed controller? or are you using multiple input devices hack? Or it is really a 6KRO keyboard with diodes on the matrix?

Yes, USB 2.0 Cortex M3 , 32bit MCU with ARM
but it's not full N-key , it's only 6 key , but this is different only 6KRO , keyboard still can key in when you press 6key


and about your advise ,
PS: Can you discuss the rationale behind the Function layer layout? It does not seem optimally laid out.

about the best layout , that is a tough problem, so I still try .


anyway , very thanks your advise !!!


Hey Justin.
1. "color can be change" Do you mean there will be different colors available?
2. Upgradable firmware. Is it possible to program the layout ourselves?
3. USB NKRO. Are you using USB fullspeed controller? or are you using multiple input devices hack? Or it is really a 6KRO keyboard with diodes on the matrix?

PS: Can you discuss the rationale behind the Function layer layout? It does not seem optimally laid out.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:19:54
And you don't see how retarded it is to give up 2 keys + the one you use for FN on a keyboard that is already hurting for more keys?

What? no, you're not giving up any keys with Autohotkey...

Autohotkey can intercept whatever you press, and turn that into whatever you want... So you can maintain however many "layers" you want.

Using autohotkey would be the same amount of work as programming your own firmware, because ultimately you only have to do it once..

Put it on a thumb drive. and run the exe, IF and when the Keyboard actually travels somewhere...

WHICH is pretty unlikely because keyboards stay put.. more often then not...


It's like how lots of people think they need a laptop, when the laptop end up in front of their desk 99.999 percent of the time.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:33:36
TP4.
FN keys doesn't generate key codes. They only generate a keycode when you hit another key.
Run the .exe on a corporate computer. See how well that works.


Justin:
1: Gun metal. Must do gun metal ;)
2.2: I like that. Although, I think users will appreciate being able to make their own layout. Perhaps you could look into a software solution for modifying the layout.
3. NKRO matrix, but interface limited to 6KRO. Gotcha.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 January 2013, 02:40:58
TP4.
FN keys doesn't generate key codes. They only generate a keycode when you hit another key.
Run the .exe on a corporate computer. See how well that works.


Justin:
1: Gun metal. Must do gun metal ;)
2.2: I like that. Although, I think users will appreciate being able to make their own layout. Perhaps you could look into a software solution for modifying the layout.
3. NKRO matrix, but interface limited to 6KRO. Gotcha.

Oh, you mean losing the 2 buttons that are FN keys?

OMG dude, ;D how many buttons do you need.....

There's 14 keys on the second layer excluding Function row and media keys..

that's more than enough to remap into the Missing things you're looking for.

But honestly, you could just map ctrl+shift+ any key for your own layer exclusive of the function layer.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 28 January 2013, 03:10:05
It isn't so much I want to bind more keys, but moving some stuff around "for efficiency" as oneproduct would say. Even with physical arrow keys, I would want arrows on the FN layer so I don't have to move my hands when I am editing a lot of text. For example IJKL for arrows, HN for page up/dn, M, or YU for home/end. Basically, trying to keep the hands in the typical typing position while still able to access the edit cluster.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 January 2013, 03:23:32
It isn't so much I want to bind more keys, but moving some stuff around "for efficiency" as oneproduct would say. Even with physical arrow keys, I would want arrows on the FN layer so I don't have to move my hands when I am editing a lot of text. For example IJKL for arrows, HN for page up/dn, M, or YU for home/end. Basically, trying to keep the hands in the typical typing position while still able to access the edit cluster.

well, ok if moving your hands is what you want to minimize, then the bottom row function keys won't do anything for you..

You can ONLY be saved by AUTOHOT KEY..

with AHK, you can hold down say left-shift a, now instead of typing capital A, this will be a modifier for all your right hand keys, and you can setup layers for ijkl..

this is much easier to hit, then say move your hand down and hit a function button next to the space bar..


For example, I use " : " key as my Right-shift, this way, I don't have to turn my wrist for Capitalized left hand letters.


The function layer using Left-shift A is the same principal..

No matter how the company chooses to layer their stuff, they're all going to encounter this fatal flaw, if their function key is in the bottom row next to the space bar because that area is FAR and Hard to hit from base typing position.

below is my current layout, it prevents all wrist turning.. and maintains easy to find modifiers.


Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Mon, 28 January 2013, 03:37:23
Looks very interesting! Two things perhaps...
- The edges look a bit too "sharp", perhaps consider a small radius (1mm) instead of a 90° angle?
- It really should be programmable by the user (this would also make this board even more unique)
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 28 January 2013, 03:47:53
@TP4: You can hit those FN keys on the TEX board (Ginkyo is the name?) with your thumb. It is much more ideal than constantly using your pinky to access the function layer.
PS you don't need to constantly push AHK on me. I've written all kind of utilities with AHK :)
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Mon, 28 January 2013, 03:54:24
about the sharp edges , we have already process , so just look like sharp , but it won't let your finger feel fell hurt !

and another question , without programmable , because we want find a friendly UI to customization that you want function (most is fn layer)
but without any software , only hardware , so you can use in any system !!

Looks very interesting! Two things perhaps...
- The edges look a bit too "sharp", perhaps consider a small radius (1mm) instead of a 90° angle?
- It really should be programmable by the user (this would also make this board even more unique)
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Polymer on Mon, 28 January 2013, 06:50:10
Programmable is better if you can do it...Autohotkey is great...but it isn't convenient in every situation.  If I can have a keyboard the way I want it without needing to run something, all the better...

I do think the aluminum on top is a bit weird..it is like a facade...It actually doesn't look like it serves a purpose other than the top cover...
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: vun on Mon, 28 January 2013, 07:01:49
That looks really good, although I won't be getting one as the lower right corner kills it for me. The physical arrow keys ruin everything, I don't use arrows enough for it to be worth it.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: OrpheusX on Mon, 28 January 2013, 09:10:11
below is my current layout, it prevents all wrist turning.. and maintains easy to find modifiers.

 :eek: that is the most messed up layout I've ever seen. Cool if it works for you but I can't imagine trying to get my fingers to remember all that.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: sordna on Mon, 28 January 2013, 09:25:31
Not everyone has the luxury of running AHK.
Edit: also AHK can't rebind function layer, which is the important part.

YES IT CAN

AHK can rebind whatever the f you want.. You just have to know the correct scan code the function layer is putting out.

The FN key by itself does not generate a key code. Also, the FN layer on keyboards doesn't have all keys assigned. So in my Poker for example, FN+E or FN+L does not generate any distinct keycode, so AHK cannot remap it. But on a programmable keyboard you can assign any function to any key in the FN layer.

Besides, many of us use different operating systems, AHK is windows only.

@justin.wu: I use a Kinesis Advantage which is programmable from the keyboard itself. The interface to do that is straightforward: You hit a key combination to go into programming mode, and an LED flashes. Then you hit source key, and then you hit destination key. For example, to make Caps Lock work as Control, I push and release Control, then i push and release Caps Lock. You can do as many keys as you want, and then exit programming mode.

But even a software to do it on the computer and upload the layout to the keyboard would be great as well.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Binge on Mon, 28 January 2013, 10:37:39
If this was programmable I would certainly consider it, but so far the only 60% that has suited 99.9% of my typing is the KBT pure layout.  I literally do home/end commands with my thumb (FN+, and FN+.).
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Mon, 28 January 2013, 10:50:34
If this was programmable I would certainly consider it, but so far the only 60% that has suited 99.9% of my typing is the KBT pure layout.  I literally do home/end commands with my thumb (FN+, and FN+.).

I like the look of this new keyboard, but the bottom right modifiers simply aren't' a good fit for me. Love the case though.

Pure has been the closest configuration to be ideal for me as well. There are a couple of small things I'd like to change, so my hope is that the programmable GH60 will give me my goldilocks keyboard. :-)
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Hyde on Mon, 28 January 2013, 15:09:20
I think this looks pretty good, but yeah changing keycaps would probably be a pain but overall I like the look of it.  Dedicated arrow key is kind of a love and hate thing, I sorta like it it's there but at the same time it won't be "standard" spacing on keys  :(

Also it will be "announced" in April.  So realistically when will it be release?  Sounds like it might be a while...
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: cobraj on Mon, 28 January 2013, 17:11:03
Good idea.
But I personally am not a fan of the case though :(
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 28 January 2013, 18:04:12
below is my current layout, it prevents all wrist turning.. and maintains easy to find modifiers.

 :eek: that is the most messed up layout I've ever seen. Cool if it works for you but I can't imagine trying to get my fingers to remember all that.

It's very straight forward..

The right hand side "letters" are shifted to the right by 1 key

The "y" key is put high up for the middle finger, becuase reaching for it is time consuming because left hand typing is slanted.

The enterkey on top, is so I don't have to turn my wrist to hit enter..

The 2 close nit backspace is so I could rock them and delete things twice as fast if necessary..

The "right-ctrl" replace where caplock normally is, so that I can quickly do  Ctrl-A with one hand motion.

The very center column is intuitive because it's plus minus and tilda,  I use the R2 key from my number pad, which i'm not using the set of right in the center, so I can touch type that whole area.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: rootwyrm on Mon, 28 January 2013, 18:09:36
2. Upgradable firmware. Is it possible to program the layout ourselves?
ANS : F/W upgrade have 2 function
1. fix problem , user don't return keyboard to shop , just like hotfix
2. we will release some layout , user can download and upgrade by themself

Yes, USB 2.0 Cortex M3 , 32bit MCU with ARM
but it's not full N-key , it's only 6 key , but this is different only 6KRO , keyboard still can key in when you press 6key

Iiiiiiiinteresting. Which programming method are using with the Cortex - I2C? Is it with MPU or will all NVRAM be user accessible?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: LollyWater on Sun, 10 February 2013, 07:42:15
Love it! That tiny spacebar is a turn off though. It would be a nice case.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 10 February 2013, 15:36:18
The "self rimming" case design looks like it could be dropped into a recess cut into a desktop or keyboard tray making it a very low profile design.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Strelok on Sun, 10 February 2013, 15:57:52
60%'s are my favorite.

I wish there was a picture of the top straight on see we could see the layout better.

EXC appears to be in the Fn layer though, so I don't think I'll be tempted to buy this one.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 11 February 2013, 06:56:28
I wish there was a picture of the top straight on see we could see the layout better.

If you want see datasheet & layout, please check this link : https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B7TuRf3KQe7GNTE0RmQ2SDEzeEU/edit
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: deltr on Mon, 11 February 2013, 07:35:02
I'd like to see something aside from the deep depth of field shots.. can we get a picture of it from the view of someone who would be using it?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: eosgreen on Mon, 11 February 2013, 10:15:03
cool mini but its got extra length imo it doesnt need on the sides. kinda the point of a mini dont ya think? i only mention it because recently i bought a poker for this space saving reason and any more length on the sides and i may as well got a noppoo choc mini
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Strelok on Mon, 11 February 2013, 10:31:17
I wish there was a picture of the top straight on see we could see the layout better.

If you want see datasheet & layout, please check this link : https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B7TuRf3KQe7GNTE0RmQ2SDEzeEU/edit

Thanks.

Redundant tilde/esc key on such a small board? Waste of space in my opinion.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: inteli722 on Mon, 11 February 2013, 11:49:59
US layout looks fine, except for the spacebar. It's fine for people like me who hit the spacebar with the right hand, but for people who it it with their left hand would be a bit difficult.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Fri, 15 March 2013, 04:55:46
upload some new picture , I think that will be announce end of April (hope !!!)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8230/8556317331_f23911233a_b.jpg)a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jewu8210/8556317331/)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8237/8557428424_1211df3fb4_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jewu8210/8557428424/)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8249/8557429152_036fedac90_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jewu8210/8557429152/)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8112/8557429632_784424165e_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jewu8210/8557429632/)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8532/8556319445_7698da3be2_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jewu8210/8556319445/)



Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 15 March 2013, 07:04:54
Looks good ;o
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Glenn315 on Fri, 15 March 2013, 07:10:34
Looks pretty fresh.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: sordna on Fri, 15 March 2013, 09:13:59
It has 2 controls, 2 alts, and a big backspace, I LOVE all that! The escape is where it should be... I don't think a tilde is needed in the Fn layer of the escape key, since it has a dedicated tilde next to the arrows.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Sat, 16 March 2013, 19:50:40
A couple of weeks ago, I was fortunate enough to make a trip out to MechanicalKeyboards.com (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com) and much to my surprise, they had one of the Tex Mini Keyboards on display! I immediately hooked it up to my laptop to give her a spin. I didn't spend that much time with the board, but I did type on it enough to at least provide a "First Impressions" review.

Construction
Plate mounted switches, aluminium top with a really nice design. We've all seen the pictures from this thread and there's no denying that it's a beautiful keyboard and after putting my hands on it, I can tell you that the pictures don't lie.

The aluminium top is a bit of a departure, but it does make for a very nice presentation and it does add a good deal of weight to it as well. There are some really nice touches, like the company branding on the feet. Overall the keyboard has a very fit and finish. The plastic case bottom is smoother and more rounded that those of Vortex.

Given that it was a display board, I wasn't comfortable taking it apart to look at the construction, so there's not too much that I can add here. I would say this is a step up from what we've seen recently from Tex's competitor -- Vortex. I didn't see any of the usual QA issues that Vortex has become somewhat known for.

The Layout
I'm a huge fan of compact keyboards. I use a KBC Poker with MX-Blacks and a KBT Pure with MX-Blues on a daily basis, so I'm used to the look and feel of small keyboards like this and I felt very comfortable.

There are two factors to take into consideration when choosing a compact keyboard. 1) The right side modifers and 2) the function or fn layer. Given the limited layout, a manufactuer makes certian choices for you and you either like them, or you don't. It's a matter of personal preference, so I can't really critique the choices that they've made on these two fronts other than to state my personal opinion.

I'm not a big fan of the right shift being any smaller than a 1.75 and the Tex Mini is 1.0. This compromise is made so that they can offer dedicated arrow keys. This keyboard takes a page from the Race and from the Pure and gives a nice hybrid, if that is what you're looking for. I don't know of any other 60% with dedicated arrow keys, so it's definitely unique.

Nothing in the fn layer jumped out at me as being out-of-place, but you'll have to look at the docs (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7TuRf3KQe7GWGhwX09zVTI5NGM/edit) to see if it works for you. Again, a totally subjective and personal thing.

The Feel
The key caps are standard OEM profile caps, which I happen to like. In fact, I currently use these profiles on my own boards. Since this keyboard was not backlit, it features centered legends.

The Tex Mini Keyboard that was on display had Cherry-MX Blues. I'm a big fan of blues, so I was already quite familar with the switch and what to expect from them. However, this was the first keyboard that I've typed on that had a plate. Given all the traffic on the forums here regarding plate mounted switches, I was really expecting a noticeable difference from my Poker, Pure and Race -- I didn't.

I think a lot of that had to do with the fact that the bottom of the case is plastic. There was a noticeable hollow sound to the keys as I typed and it didn't feel as solid as I would have expected. I use a KBT Pure CNC with an aluminum case and it feels more solid and doesn't have a plate.

Then again, I think it could be the sound that was throwing me off. I don't know that I felt flex per se, just that it didn't sound solid. There was a hollow "thock" that gave the impression that it wasn't as ridgid as what I'm used to, but only having more time with the keyboard would let me know for sure.

The Cost
There wasn't a price listed and it's not on the MK.com (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com) web site, so I don't know what the retail price of the keyboard is.

Conclusions
If you like the idea of a 60% board, but require dedicated arrow keys, then this could be the board for you. You'll need to decide if the small right-shift, or fn layer presents any issues for you. If it doesn't, then I think you have a winner.

The only other things to consider are key caps and replacement cases. If you're not planning on customizing your keyboard, then this won't have a bearing, but if you are... the key caps will definitely be a challenge given the modifers on the right side of the board. Even with a Tsangan kit from a Group Buy, you won't find a 1.0 right shift.

I wish I had this as a sample keyboard to really put it through it's paces and give it a proper review. Spending time with the fn layer would really help and I'd love to take it apart to get a good look at the construction. Alas, I only had a scant few minutes. So it's unclear what 3rd party options are available for replacement cases.


Photos & Video

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8233/8529781678_bff2c1e380.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529781678/)
Tex Mechanical Keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529781678/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8241/8529781982_017f47f8f0.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529781982/)
Tex 60% Mechanical Keyboard (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529781982/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8532/8529782284_afaf29c853.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529782284/)
Tex 60% - Bottom (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529782284/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8230/8528671553_97065d676a.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8528671553/)
Tex Close Up (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8528671553/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8365/8529782772_9a5b92a8f8.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529782772/)
Tex 60% - Feet (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529782772/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8511/8529783084_fefd95eedd.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529783084/)
Tex 60% - Back (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529783084/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8528672447_0b3b1935e7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8528672447/)
Tex - Function Layer (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8528672447/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8512/8529783660_fc9ae004d5.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529783660/)
Tex 60% - Switch Detail (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8529783660/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: DavinDidIt on Sat, 16 March 2013, 20:15:22
Awesome review and video, mashby.  Thank you.  For me, I can also see myself having problems with that right shift key. 
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: sordna on Sat, 16 March 2013, 20:52:37
I wonder if there will be a version without the aluminum. I just realized that with this aluminum bezel being so big, the keyboard becomes as big as a RACE or Choc mini (which have an extra row of keys).
However I really like the layout of the TEX so I wish it also comes out in a more compact case version.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Hyde on Sat, 16 March 2013, 22:02:40
I think the right shift won't be an issue for me, I realize I type really close to the edge when hitting shift anyway.

Also I do think this is probably my favourite layout out of all the 60% keyboard so far.  I'm not big on 1x1 backspace so having proper size backspace on this is a big win for me.

If I were to get a 60% keyboard in the future it will either be this or the poker with classic layout (easier to fit keycaps).
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: noons on Sun, 17 March 2013, 11:17:04
Wow awesome keyboard! About time there was another mass produced 60% keyboard on the market! Love the aluminum as well..
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 17 March 2013, 12:03:34
I've been designing 60 +/- layouts lately, and this keyboard raised a question for me:

Q.  How does it fit three 1x keys in place of the 2.75x shift_R key?

A.  By shrinking shift_L from 2.25x down to 2x.

So in addition to the non-standard shift_R, there is also a non-standard shift_L. And that then changes the stagger and moves that tiny shift_R slightly closer, which may make the feel worse for some. And adds another unobtainable keycap to the mix.

Personally, I like the design, but I wouldn't want to find after-market keycaps for it.

I hope the OEM keycaps are really nice!

Thanks, mashby!


 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Sun, 17 March 2013, 12:20:41
So in addition to the non-standard shift_R, there is also a non-standard shift_L. And that then changes the stagger and moves that tiny shift_R slightly closer, which may make the feel worse for some. And adds another unobtainable keycap to the mix.

Nice catch Samwisekoi!

I did not notice that for the brief time that I played with it, but knowing that now, I would love to take it for another spin.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Binge on Sun, 17 March 2013, 12:27:55
Mashby, thanks so much for your time in producing all of this info.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: twilek on Sun, 17 March 2013, 15:07:15
HOLY MUTHER****ING ****!!!! SHUT AND TAKE MY MONEY
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: cobraj on Sun, 17 March 2013, 15:15:32
HOLY MUTHER****ING ****!!!! SHUT AND TAKE MY MONEY

Wow.
Not saying this keyboard is bad, but did not think it would warrant such excitement :P
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: histevenhere on Mon, 18 March 2013, 22:22:31
Very interesting review. The Tex sure does look great ... Especially on top of a macbook air or something ... Would love to see that one day!
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: cannedlemons on Tue, 19 March 2013, 15:41:37
Looks really nice, reminds me of a macbook pro a lot. Though the only thing that bothers me is the small shift key = O .
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 19 March 2013, 16:05:59
Using Cherry keycaps not a big problem. You can get 2.0 shift from G80-11*00, and 1.0 shift from minicoms. There are lots of random key or blanks that could be used for the Fn and ~. Only the spacebar would be problematic.
For other source like SP you would need to have shift made on same as numpad zero, also not a challenge.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Tue, 19 March 2013, 16:36:33
I need the delete key up there (not fn).
Tab can be made 1X size and backslash the same, to fit in delete next to the backslash.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: jksteger on Wed, 20 March 2013, 10:13:29
can someone go ahead and take my money? LOL

J:
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Wed, 20 March 2013, 10:20:13
can someone go ahead and take my money? LOL

J:

According to a post from ShakeR, who runs MechanicalKeyboards.com (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com), it looks like  availability will be in May (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41372.msg827677#msg827677).

It also appears that the keyboard that I tested is a pre-production model.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: jksteger on Wed, 20 March 2013, 15:41:08
can someone go ahead and take my money? LOL

J:

According to a post from ShakeR, who runs MechanicalKeyboards.com (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com), it looks like  availability will be in May (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41372.msg827677#msg827677).

It also appears that the keyboard that I tested is a pre-production model.

I emailed them and that's pretty much what they said.

Thanks,

J
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Lunartuna on Wed, 20 March 2013, 22:50:42
Any idea what kind of stab's this board has?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: laffindude on Wed, 20 March 2013, 23:27:45
Cherry platemount stabilizers.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: rknize on Thu, 21 March 2013, 00:08:41
Woah, sam is right.  The staggering in row 3 is not "normal"!  I wonder how that would affect fast touch-typists?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: deazncy on Thu, 21 March 2013, 02:40:14
Keyboard looks nice, although the layout is a bit funky. Any idea on what the cost would be like?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:17:27
Keyboard looks nice, although the layout is a bit funky. Any idea on what the cost would be like?

Looks like they are averaging around $130 US, depending on the type of switch you choose. Cherry MX-Brown] is listed as $133. (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=377)
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: deazncy on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:19:54
Dang... I was hoping that it'd be cheaper. Guessing that the build quality must be very good.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Thu, 21 March 2013, 18:58:48
Dang... I was hoping that it'd be cheaper. Guessing that the build quality must be very good.

The build quality is really high. I didn't see any flaws on the board I looked at and it was just a production sample. I'm told that the final production units are even better.

Plus, you're getting an aluminum topped keyboard with a plate for $130, when a plastic tray un-plated Poker is $90, so price wise, it's pretty good.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: deazncy on Thu, 21 March 2013, 19:15:15
Dang... I was hoping that it'd be cheaper. Guessing that the build quality must be very good.

The build quality is really high. I didn't see any flaws on the board I looked at and it was just a production sample. I'm told that the final production units are even better.

Plus, you're getting an aluminum topped keyboard for $130, when a plastic tray Poker is $90, so price wise, it's pretty good.

Seems very convincing. The keyboard does look nice also.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: OnTheBrink on Fri, 22 March 2013, 01:10:42
What font is the legend?

I love the design and the price point but I am so anti logo. Make one without the logo!
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: deazncy on Fri, 22 March 2013, 01:18:28
What font is the legend?

I love the design and the price point but I am so anti logo. Make one without the logo!

I don't think the logo looks that bad. Better than some of the others I've seen.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: developej on Fri, 22 March 2013, 02:24:04
i don't like the large top bezel + logo - it is a 60% board, so your goal should be a small factor keyboard, and then you add a 2cm bezel, why :c
logo should be on the bottom really :)
but the thing i dislike the most is the layout, so many 1x1 in bottom right...1x1 shift is a no go for me. pure or poker layout and im in :D

cancel that, gh60 is here :D
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: deazncy on Fri, 22 March 2013, 03:07:09
You have a good point. And yeah haha, the GH60 will be the answer to everything.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 22 March 2013, 20:45:14
Woah, sam is right.  The staggering in row 3 is not "normal"!  I wonder how that would affect fast touch-typists?

You'd probably adjust but who knows..  Filco did the same thing with their 60% keyboard too...I don't really think that is the way to go....If you REALLY want to add dedicated arrow keys to a 60% type board,  probably best to do it the way Leopold and Matias did...where you extend the keyboard out a bit and out the arrows off to the side...

The issue with all of them will be finding replacement keycaps...Which is why things  like the Poker is attractive..you can actually find stuff for it...
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Fri, 22 March 2013, 21:04:45
Is the Tex Mini actually called the Beetle (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=375)?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Sat, 23 March 2013, 09:11:20
Hmm,, I think I can answer that , now we this keyboard name is " beetle "

and everyone can check this link : https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B7TuRf3KQe7GNTE0RmQ2SDEzeEU/edit?usp=sharing

that have datasheet & layout , all pdf file !!

any question can mail to me :)

and thanks everyone suggest

Is the Tex Mini actually called the Beetle (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=375)?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: sordna on Sat, 23 March 2013, 11:08:25
Justin, will you have a version with small plastic case, to keep the keyboard as compact as possible (like the Poker/Pure) ?
Please consider it!
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Sat, 23 March 2013, 12:11:51
sordna , thanks your advise !!

I think we can have this , make small version !!

but not now !

right now , we want make something different , thanks again !!

Justin, will you have a version with small plastic case, to keep the keyboard as compact as possible (like the Poker/Pure) ?
Please consider it!
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: 1391406 on Sat, 23 March 2013, 12:32:43
The bottom looks to be plastic.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Sat, 23 March 2013, 18:58:05
bottom case is plastic .

if all use CNC , that will have 2 problem

1. too expensive
2. too heavy



The bottom looks to be plastic.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: dmreeves on Thu, 04 April 2013, 16:32:16
Very excited for this as it seems to fit the bill perfectly for me. Forgive me, I haven't read the whole thread but is there any idea when this might become available?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Thu, 04 April 2013, 19:42:52
Thanks !!

and which color you guys like ??

(http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/files/attach/images/60/565/297/006/6c77f2508e7f1421e7d951a763bdcd50.jpg)

(http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/files/attach/images/60/565/297/006/768c0f89ad3887488b4108289a3f166f.jpg)

Very excited for this as it seems to fit the bill perfectly for me. Forgive me, I haven't read the whole thread but is there any idea when this might become available?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: sordna on Thu, 04 April 2013, 21:19:11
justin, how does the keyboard case look without the aluminum frame? Can you please post a photo? Is it removable?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Thu, 04 April 2013, 22:30:37
sorry , I can't take photo right now , because all module in office , and I'm home !!

I can take some picture after a few days , aluminum case can removable !!

We have decide some special color for you guys !! right now I have red / blue /

justin, how does the keyboard case look without the aluminum frame? Can you please post a photo? Is it removable?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Fri, 05 April 2013, 09:05:44
We have decide some special color for you guys !! right now I have red / blue /

Those colors look great! Will they be available separately as an accessory, or do you purchase the keyboard in that color.

Also, any thoughts on a green one?  :cool:
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: tricheboars on Fri, 05 April 2013, 09:17:25
i second a green one. or a purple one. or a yellow one. or an orange one.

actually i think i just want more colors.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Fri, 05 April 2013, 09:55:38
sure !! I will make special color , but I have to try !!

green/yellow/gray/purple...etc

when I make that , I will show all the picture to you guys !!

We have decide some special color for you guys !! right now I have red / blue /

Those colors look great! Will they be available separately as an accessory, or do you purchase the keyboard in that color.

Also, any thoughts on a green one?  :cool:
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: mashby on Fri, 05 April 2013, 09:59:21
sure !! I will make special color , but I have to try !!

green/yellow/gray/purple...etc

when I make that , I will show all the picture to you guys !!


Are you Santa Claus?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Fri, 05 April 2013, 11:10:59
No !!

But I want make something different for you guys !

if you guys want check our news , please come to our facebook fans club ,

http://www.facebook.com/pages/TEX-Electronics-Co-Ltd/472792412756463 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/TEX-Electronics-Co-Ltd/472792412756463)

good day !!

sure !! I will make special color , but I have to try !!

green/yellow/gray/purple...etc

when I make that , I will show all the picture to you guys !!


Are you Santa Claus?
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: berserkfan on Fri, 05 April 2013, 15:49:56
me want! me want!  ;) ;) ;)

(ps if you are making in different colours, please offer the fans a way to choose the colours. eg you could have a website and let people poll their favorite colours, and sell the 3-4 colours with the greatest demand.)

Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Fri, 05 April 2013, 23:37:06
Thanks your advise !!

I think I will prepare some different color , and special color will let you choose !

If you in USA , you can ask our distributor (MechanicalKeyboard.com first )

me want! me want!  ;) ;) ;)

(ps if you are making in different colours, please offer the fans a way to choose the colours. eg you could have a website and let people poll their favorite colours, and sell the 3-4 colours with the greatest demand.)
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: jabar on Thu, 23 May 2013, 01:10:05
I really wish the top bezel was symmetric with the bottom. That is, narrower, because the top only seems to make extra room for the Tex branding. If it was completely symmetric with less prominent branding (on the back ideally) it would be a very attractive 60% board.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: theeattre on Fri, 24 May 2013, 09:49:31
I really wish the top bezel was symmetric with the bottom. That is, narrower, because the top only seems to make extra room for the Tex branding. If it was completely symmetric with less prominent branding (on the back ideally) it would be a very attractive 60% board.

in person, the size of the bezel is actually quite nice. it lends itself to a more classic design (dressier for sure). and the branding isn't that bad. this is my first time living outside of texas so the branding (though just a nice coincidence) reminds me of home...and vintage TI computer gear. i mentioned in another post how the pics make the bezel look bigger than it is. all in all it's still a mini kb for sure. also, i really wanted to add different keycaps to it but the more i use/look at it, the less inclined i am to mess with it (other than adding a blank set of black). i just feel that it's a more conservative alternative to other 60% keyboards.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: justin.wu on Fri, 24 May 2013, 10:51:00
Thanks !!

Our first shipment have already arrival USA , hope you can try :)

and TEX will make something different for geek :)

I really wish the top bezel was symmetric with the bottom. That is, narrower, because the top only seems to make extra room for the Tex branding. If it was completely symmetric with less prominent branding (on the back ideally) it would be a very attractive 60% board.

in person, the size of the bezel is actually quite nice. it lends itself to a more classic design (dressier for sure). and the branding isn't that bad. this is my first time living outside of texas so the branding (though just a nice coincidence) reminds me of home...and vintage TI computer gear. i mentioned in another post how the pics make the bezel look bigger than it is. all in all it's still a mini kb for sure. also, i really wanted to add different keycaps to it but the more i use/look at it, the less inclined i am to mess with it (other than adding a blank set of black). i just feel that it's a more conservative alternative to other 60% keyboards.
Title: Re: 60% Keyboard - TEX mini Keyboard
Post by: muness on Thu, 29 May 2014, 16:21:10
Got mine today. So nice. I am loving the brown switches.

A couple of questions:
* Is there a list of the remappings somewhere?
* Middle clicking isn't working. What could be the issue? I can hold down and scroll, but clicking it doesn't work (e.g. in a browser to open a link in a new tab)