Describes a punitive measure/punishment that is overly harsh in relativity to the crime or transgression. Normally done for the purpose of making an example for others to deter them from doing the same. Also issued out of fear/anger by an authority.
After Colombine, an elementary school principal was criticized for doling out a year's suspension to a student who used a toy pistol while playing cops and robbers. Many say that the punishment was draconian and reactionary on the part of the principal.
Thread crapping occurs when a person comes into a thread and posts something contrary to the spirit/intent of the thread, often derailing the discussion or turning it into an argument.
Coming into a thread titled "I love my new Apple Macintosh!", and posting "PCs are better and cheaper" is thread crapping.
Finally, GeekHack Administrators and Moderators reserve the right to delete posts that do not violate the TOS in an effort to clean up a thread.
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I'm not sure what happened with all these bans last night but I can tell it's been building up with all the discussion threads going on. I still agree with threadcrapping and you're more than welcome to do it to me if you please.
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I reread the buy/sell rules, and actually the new rules don't have a prohibition on threadcrapping per se.
The old rules prohibited it, but the new ones don't.
I'm not sure what happened with all these bans last night but I can tell it's been building up with all the discussion threads going on. I still agree with threadcrapping and you're more than welcome to do it to me if you please.
Question for clarification: what about long posts that turn into off-topic debates in one of your marketplace threads?
Assuming they aren't otherwise prohibited (e.g. advocating murder) do you think they should be:
(a) Allowed for your marketplace threads?
(b) Not allowed for your marketplace threads?
(c) Allowed for your marketplace threads until and unless you want it stopped and make that request?
GH is changing fast, with dozens of new members every week. I don't count posts, but how many actually stick around and contribute? If they join, see some threadcrapping and personal attacks, how likely are they to stick around? If GH has a clearly defined policy for handling unpleasant situations, everyone would probably feel safer.
Second, when the TOS changes, how do we know which bits have changed? I noticed it changed this morning, but don't know which bits have changed. Maybe a changelog, or perhaps a brief separate post in the thread to explain what has changed. WHen my bank changes their terms and conditions, the letter usually highlights the new or revised condition, then they print the full T&C on the following pages.
I'm glad we're finally able to have these discussions in a separate thread instead of the whole thing happening over multiple FS threads ect. Doing this has allowed for much better discussion and I for one am thankful for that. :)
There is a freakin' fine line between public disclosure and embarrassing somebody
No, I don't think we need a prohibition on threadcrapping. If it were my sales thread, and people were debating off topic, I would simply ask them to start a new thread to continue their conversation, or to please limit their discussion to questions or comments about the items being sold. Negative comments should be addressed by the OP, same as positive ones. If your prices or terms of sale cannot stand a bit of scrutiny by the membership at large, you're probably doing something shady.
The only posts which should be moderated, in my opinion, are personal attacks or violations of the TOS, such as spam, trolling, obscenity, etc.
To the both of you: How do we balance "Sure, come at me, I can take it, I'm the OP" with the (I think real) risk of scaring potential solid community members off? I personally am not going to cry if somebody posts that my Elvish Keys are stupid bits of useless profiteering junk. But what about the kid who really, really wants them and then is scared off by the comments? Or worse, asks his dad, and his dad says "woah, stay away from that site!"
How do we encourage a rich, spicy brew without burning the tongues out of the people who might be just starting out?
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From what I've seen, the kind of people who hang out in the commerce seciton of GH (group buys included) tend to be the type who are ready and willing to spend money. Almost every single new person I've seen post has been ready to throw their money at people, which is sort of encouraged at GH (It is hard to gain clout without building trust, and the easiest way to build trust is to participate in trades and group buys successfully. There are lots of people who have accomplished gaining respect without simply buying their way in, but for everyone of them there are probably 3 or 4 people who showed their diligence to keyboards by simply purchasing things). I don't think anyone who is interested in dropping $50+ on a keyset for a keyboard (which many people balk at) is likely to be scared away by one person saying "this is stupid and a waste of money!" Just my two cents.
A good moderation team knows when to let things slide and when to hit hard. Sometimes you need to let a good regular fudge the rules a little, sometimes they need a little reminder, and sometimes they simply are no longer worth the effort. Sometimes things get too far out of line and you need a sacrificial lamb to set things right.
Finally, GeekHack Administrators and Moderators reserve the right to delete posts that do not violate the TOS in an effort to clean up a thread.
GeekHack reserves the right to remove/ban any user, at any time, and for any reason. A temporary ban of 7 days will follow two warnings for the same type of infraction. Moreover, GeekHack takes no responsibility for the content of any of the messages posted on our Forums or of the authenticity of its authors. We reserve the right to edit and/or delete any posting for any reason and without prior notification or explanation to the author. Moderators and Administrators frequently review forum messages for those that are in violation of the rules. Any messages found to be in violation may be deleted without warning or explanation.
And also please refrain from starting a thread or posting about any banned member as it isn't allowed.
I'm good with all of that -- you're basically saying that GeekHack is a benevolent dictatorship (I don't mean that in a negative way, democracies are messy) and laying out your own rights. Meet it head-on and don't pretend to be some hippie commune.hippie commune? i like to think of this place as an anarcho-socialist collective that's so disorganized that it can't manage to implement any semblance of either.
I'm good with all of that -- you're basically saying that GeekHack is a benevolent dictatorship (I don't mean that in a negative way, democracies are messy) and laying out your own rights. Meet it head-on and don't pretend to be some hippie commune.hippie commune? i like to think of this place as an anarcho-socialist collective that's so disorganized that it can't manage to implement any semblance of either.
DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
ARTHUR: Yes. (slightly annoyed)
DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.
ARTHUR: Yes, I see.... (annoyed)
DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--
ARTHUR: Be quiet!
DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--
ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!
WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?
ARTHUR: I am your king!
WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.
No auctions for private sales. People should be able to link their ebay auctions in "great finds" but nothing in classifieds. Any auction thread needs to be non-profit for the thread starter... like fund raiser etc stuff is still great for instances it is used for good and not complete hype driving evil.
No private auctions/PM offers.
Tighter vendor control. Keep vendors out of classifieds.
No censorship in threads outside of obvious abuse of seller/potential buyers/items being sold.
Please, for the love of Geekhack, no auctions.
Why keep vendors out of the classifieds? Same question about GBs?The entire spirit of group buys is to provide a service without the intent to profit. Vendors can distribute the startup costs across the group buyers to help reach a MOQ where they can minimize the cost of excess kits for their business to sell. There are no controls to prevent them from doing so.
Why keep vendors out of the classifieds? Same question about GBs?The entire spirit of group buys is to provide a service without the intent to profit.
Vendors can distribute the startup costs across the group buyers to help reach a MOQ where they can minimize the cost of excess kits for their business to sell. There are no controls to prevent them from doing so.
Classifieds itself has this subtitle: "member-to-member buy/sell/trade. (no commercial sales)". How can we know that vendors' classifieds aren't ultimately commercial sales?
Vendors have a privileged position here with the amount of community influence/support they receive. They have their own subforums. Keep them out of member groups buys and member-to-member sales.
So, since there has been no reply/response/activity from the recent comments received, what is really being done?
So, since there has been no reply/response/activity from the recent comments received, what is really being done?
Really? Every vendor now has a badge and a special Vendor Terms of Service. (And stars, for good or ill.)
We are reading, watching, posting proposals and making changes based on feedback.
So please don't mistake lack of a specific response to a post or three for inaction.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Old thread, sorry.QuoteAll messages posted on the GeekHack Forums become the copyrighted property of GeekHack.org.
So, if I post let's say an 'idea' in 'making stuff together' then it's not mine anymore after that?
I don't know what's the intent behind this but I think it should be rephrased in a way that doesn't sound as it does now. I think it's the word "copyrighted" that irritates me.
The last time this was a major issue was when Ripster was around -- he made a lot of posts that a lot of people found very useful. After his breakup with GH he may have decided all his postings here were to be deleted, and that's probably the source of this rule.This was my guess too. I think the "copyright" rule should be rephrased in a way reflecting this, and at the same time avoiding speculation about intellectual property.