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Title: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 12:36:46
Aww... Yea..... mmm..hm.... yea that's good...   :D

Y is this so much more awesome??????


I think this settles another argument for me.. OEM profile spacebar > Cherry profile

Because the spacebar is taller, you can reach it more easily providing tighter control on typing rhythm  :)
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 30 January 2013, 12:40:30
Aww... Yea..... mmm..hm.... yea that's good...   :D

Y is this so much more awesome??????


I think this settles another argument for me.. OEM profile spacebar > Cherry profile

Because the spacebar is taller, you can reach it more easily providing tighter control on typing rhythm  :)

Try one of the ones from EK -- either frontwards or backwards.  I think you will like it.

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=sb_u2

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 12:42:29
Aww... Yea..... mmm..hm.... yea that's good...   :D

Y is this so much more awesome??????


I think this settles another argument for me.. OEM profile spacebar > Cherry profile

Because the spacebar is taller, you can reach it more easily providing tighter control on typing rhythm  :)

Try one of the ones from EK -- either frontwards or backwards.  I think you will like it.

http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,cherrymxkeys&pid=sb_u2

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


what's special about this spacebar?

fk it... $3.5... I can afford to splurge a little  :D
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: khaangaaroo on Wed, 30 January 2013, 13:23:09
what's special about this spacebar?

I'm curious to know too.

I agree about the flipping around. Soooo much easier on the thumb when you're holding spacebar down to pan around photoshop and illustrator all day. Same with the Alt key.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 13:33:30
I'll flip between the 2, It's a matter of where it is. When I don't have a proper Palmrest or a Table of which my keyboard is on, i'll flip the Spacebar around to provide easier typing. When I'm playing games, however, I'll use it normally. I first saw it on, I think, the Korean Keyboards thread, and I tried it. It's AMAZING for typing, but not so much for gaming...I don't know why, I'm just used to playing games with a normal spacebar.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:28:31
I'll flip between the 2, It's a matter of where it is. When I don't have a proper Palmrest or a Table of which my keyboard is on, i'll flip the Spacebar around to provide easier typing. When I'm playing games, however, I'll use it normally. I first saw it on, I think, the Korean Keyboards thread, and I tried it. It's AMAZING for typing, but not so much for gaming...I don't know why, I'm just used to playing games with a normal spacebar.

Those who embrace change survive, those who fear it will slowly and painfully perish .....


I also think the dissonance between Gaming and Typing is that when you game, you're hitting the TOP  of the space bar, which the normal orientation is just dandy..

However, when you type, the right hand is usually hitting the "Lower" lip of the space bar, and this is where superior contour of the "flipped-orientation" comes into play  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:40:22
I believe this has increased my typing prowess by a good 6.1%.... I am now averaging 138 vs 130
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:05:50
I'll flip between the 2, It's a matter of where it is. When I don't have a proper Palmrest or a Table of which my keyboard is on, i'll flip the Spacebar around to provide easier typing. When I'm playing games, however, I'll use it normally. I first saw it on, I think, the Korean Keyboards thread, and I tried it. It's AMAZING for typing, but not so much for gaming...I don't know why, I'm just used to playing games with a normal spacebar.

Those who embrace change survive, those who fear it will slowly and painfully perish .....


I also think the dissonance between Gaming and Typing is that when you game, you're hitting the TOP  of the space bar, which the normal orientation is just dandy..

However, when you type, the right hand is usually hitting the "Lower" lip of the space bar, and this is where superior contour of the "flipped-orientation" comes into play  :D :D :D

You hit the nail on the head. I can type with the Spacebar normally, but It's the only way I can when gaming, whereas I can flip between the two when I'm typing. Although I'm not suggesting that we ALL flip to this (That would be more up TotalChaos' alley, though I don't know how ergonomic it would be, so he may strive to stop people from using it, since he appears to be all about the ergonomics), but I think a Spacebar that had an extended surface that was curved down would be cool.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:51:15
what's special about this spacebar?

fk it... $3.5... I can afford to splurge a little  :D

A couple of things -- beyond the low cost.

- It has a different profile, somewhere between OEM and Cherry.

- It has a textured top surface that is nicely done.

- It works well in both orientations.

And yeah, for $3.50, it is worth a try.  I have a few different spacebars and try them with different keyboards and keycap sets to see what works best.  The three common ones are:
 - SP "Universal"  in ABS
 - OEM/Tall (WASD is a good source) in ABS
 - PBT Cherry/Imsto profile -- but PBT spacebars warp, so they need to be straightened with a hairdryer. Easy to do.

And the one from EK.  Counting orientations, that makes eight spacebar interfaces.

And then there are stabilizers, switch types, and springs.  Sheesh.

What was the question again?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:54:08
Just flipped my SP spacebar around for some gaming....oh my, I think I like it better for typing as well. Although it does look outta place :D
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 16:57:44
Just flipped my SP spacebar around for some gaming....oh my, I think I like it better for typing as well. Although it does look outta place :D
It does, yes, but I think typing without a wristwrest with it flipped like that is a bit easier on the wrists, though it's probably better overall that you have a wristwrest whether it be one of Beast's nice wooden ones or just the curved side of your computer table (I, unfortunately, happen to be using the latter)...
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 January 2013, 17:13:44
I'll flip between the 2, It's a matter of where it is. When I don't have a proper Palmrest or a Table of which my keyboard is on, i'll flip the Spacebar around to provide easier typing. When I'm playing games, however, I'll use it normally. I first saw it on, I think, the Korean Keyboards thread, and I tried it. It's AMAZING for typing, but not so much for gaming...I don't know why, I'm just used to playing games with a normal spacebar.

Those who embrace change survive, those who fear it will slowly and painfully perish .....


I also think the dissonance between Gaming and Typing is that when you game, you're hitting the TOP  of the space bar, which the normal orientation is just dandy..

However, when you type, the right hand is usually hitting the "Lower" lip of the space bar, and this is where superior contour of the "flipped-orientation" comes into play  :D :D :D

You hit the nail on the head. I can type with the Spacebar normally, but It's the only way I can when gaming, whereas I can flip between the two when I'm typing. Although I'm not suggesting that we ALL flip to this (That would be more up TotalChaos' alley, though I don't know how ergonomic it would be, so he may strive to stop people from using it, since he appears to be all about the ergonomics), but I think a Spacebar that had an extended surface that was curved down would be cool.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823665001

This keyboard has the perfect space bar...  Too bad the rest of it suxorz.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 17:21:42
I'll flip between the 2, It's a matter of where it is. When I don't have a proper Palmrest or a Table of which my keyboard is on, i'll flip the Spacebar around to provide easier typing. When I'm playing games, however, I'll use it normally. I first saw it on, I think, the Korean Keyboards thread, and I tried it. It's AMAZING for typing, but not so much for gaming...I don't know why, I'm just used to playing games with a normal spacebar.

Those who embrace change survive, those who fear it will slowly and painfully perish .....


I also think the dissonance between Gaming and Typing is that when you game, you're hitting the TOP  of the space bar, which the normal orientation is just dandy..

However, when you type, the right hand is usually hitting the "Lower" lip of the space bar, and this is where superior contour of the "flipped-orientation" comes into play  :D :D :D

You hit the nail on the head. I can type with the Spacebar normally, but It's the only way I can when gaming, whereas I can flip between the two when I'm typing. Although I'm not suggesting that we ALL flip to this (That would be more up TotalChaos' alley, though I don't know how ergonomic it would be, so he may strive to stop people from using it, since he appears to be all about the ergonomics), but I think a Spacebar that had an extended surface that was curved down would be cool.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823665001

This keyboard has the perfect space bar...  Too bad the rest of it suxorz.

Those were the keyboards my old school had (primarily because I lived close to the Dell HQ) and those were the keyboards I kinda started typing on (and kinda where I got the suggestion from). Longer spacebar to allow more thumb contact and more comfortable typing without a wristwrest...
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: ComradeSniper on Wed, 30 January 2013, 20:07:46
I'm not really feeling any "amazing" results, it's definitely interesting though.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: inteli722 on Wed, 30 January 2013, 20:44:45
I'm not really feeling any "amazing" results, it's definitely interesting though.
It's easier to type w/o a wristwrest.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: mashby on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:19:29
I just received my first SP set this week and I too flipped the spacebar and found it much improved. Bananas that this spacebar profile is used so much that putting it on backwards makes such an improvement.  :-\
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 13 August 2013, 14:05:14
i am going to necro this post since it is a interesting discussion.

i have been rocking the flipped spacebar for a few months now and i am totally hooked. it feels so good on my custom 60% with a low profile aluminum vortex case. it is much more natural feeling for me to have the bar backwards now. i think it is the soft angle my thumbs can hover on when i am slappin da keys.

SPH spacebars cannot be flipped. my round 4 SPH set spacebar is the same no matter how your flip it. pretty nuts. i have found myself not really grooving on the SPH spacebar and the TKL that set currently resides on has a Dolch space on it so i can flip it like a boss.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 13 August 2013, 14:06:52
I really liked the feel of the flipped spacebar on the FC660C and also when using an imsto thick pbt spacebar with dsa retro.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tricheboars on Tue, 13 August 2013, 14:12:38
I really liked the feel of the flipped spacebar on the FC660C and also when using an imsto thick pbt spacebar with dsa retro.

are you flipping the space on all your boards or only a select few utilizing certain profiles?  i am backwards on everything now.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 13 August 2013, 14:14:07
I really liked the feel of the flipped spacebar on the FC660C and also when using an imsto thick pbt spacebar with dsa retro.

are you flipping the space on all your boards or only a select few utilizing certain profiles?  i am backwards on everything now.

I've only ever tried it on those two instances mentioned. Perhaps I should see what a backwards gmk space bar feels like....
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: TrueOP on Tue, 13 August 2013, 17:13:20
Flipping spacebar on my Noppoo was bestest decision ever.  Its been about 3 months like this and can't see myself ever switching back  ;D


I've messed around with flipping some other keys such as arrows and and delete, etc, but spacebar is only mod like this i found that is functionally ergonomic.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 13 August 2013, 17:17:32
I used to care about flipping the space bar... Hence this thread...

BUT THEN,   a star shower gleamed across the night sky.

A thunderous sound rumbled from my back yard.

I investigated, and recovered the asteroid.

It split open in two as soon as it cooled on my kitchen counter and inside was an Ergodox kit.


Heaven ordained..  Ergodox and Me.


You can too, head over to mass drop today.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: MTManiac on Tue, 13 August 2013, 17:55:31
I used to care about flipping the space bar... Hence this thread...

BUT THEN,   a star shower gleamed across the night sky.

A thunderous sound rumbled from my back yard.

I investigated, and recovered the asteroid.

It split open in two as soon as it cooled on my kitchen counter and inside was an Ergodox kit.


Heaven ordained..  Ergodox and Me.


You can too, head over to mass drop today.

how do you flip the space bar on a mass drop?
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: LONGZILLA on Tue, 13 August 2013, 18:39:49
Will have to keep trying it out to see how i feel about this...
More
(http://i.imgur.com/j1Qxol9.png)
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: badcop on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:07:37
Flipped spacebars are the best. They look really broken and everyone will question it but it angles it perfectly for your thumbs.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:09:05
dude you guys should try flipping all the keys!!!! it's what halverson and I do and it feels great. Why stop at only the space bar ?
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:11:28
dude you guys should try flipping all the keys!!!! it's what halverson and I do and it feels great. Why stop at only the space bar ?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahha :D
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: Halverson on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:15:27
dude you guys should try flipping all the keys!!!! it's what halverson and I do and it feels great. Why stop at only the space bar ?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahha :D

I flip all my keys on my ergodox, 4LYFE
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:19:08
I flip my case upside down when I'm feeling dangerous!
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:33:22
I flip my case upside down when I'm feeling dangerous!

unpossible
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:37:07
I flip my case upside down when I'm feeling dangerous!

unpossible

Living on the edge!!1!

(http://i.imgur.com/clP4o5T.jpg)
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:43:22
I flip my case upside down when I'm feeling dangerous!

unpossible

Living on the edge!!1!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/clP4o5T.jpg)


hahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 13 August 2013, 19:50:24
I used to care about flipping the space bar... Hence this thread...

BUT THEN,   a star shower gleamed across the night sky.

A thunderous sound rumbled from my back yard.

I investigated, and recovered the asteroid.

It split open in two as soon as it cooled on my kitchen counter and inside was an Ergodox kit.


Heaven ordained..  Ergodox and Me.


You can too, head over to mass drop today.

how do you flip the space bar on a mass drop?

This is the best thing I have read all day.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: RubyGoldberg on Fri, 13 September 2013, 00:39:00
This thread. I absolutely have to try this once i get my keyboard in! This seems like something amazing, or as said before, an elaborate prank.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 00:43:43
This thread. I absolutely have to try this once i get my keyboard in! This seems like something amazing, or as said before, an elaborate prank.

You must try it! I can vouch for it, especially if you have smaller hands. Once adjusted, your thumbs will naturally land more flat on the spacebar without the bottom edge hitting your thumb!

It may look weird at first, but the feels will justify it :P

Here are some pics of what it looks like when flipped!

(http://i.imgur.com/Xr94QQ5.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/M16P5Lw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fkTDmuz.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/EFT4Xwa.jpg)
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 13 September 2013, 00:49:06
It does look totally weird, and my first instinct is still to say "you've put it on the wrong way around".

I am yet to gather enough courage to try this myself, but OTOH I do not have a problem with space bars in the conventional orientation.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 00:51:09
It does look totally weird, and my first instinct is still to say "you've put it on the wrong way around".

I am yet to gather enough courage to try this myself, but OTOH I do not have a problem with space bars in the conventional orientation.

I didn't really have a problem with the conventional orientation either, but I tried it out anyway out of curiosity a lil' over a year ago... my world was changed... Try it now... Just do it. It'll only take like 30 seconds to do it :P
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 13 September 2013, 00:57:01
It does look totally weird, and my first instinct is still to say "you've put it on the wrong way around".

I am yet to gather enough courage to try this myself, but OTOH I do not have a problem with space bars in the conventional orientation.

I didn't really have a problem with the conventional orientation either, but I tried it out anyway out of curiosity a lil' over a year ago... my world was changed... Try it now... Just do it. It'll only take like 30 seconds to do it :P

Not while I am at work repairing a server, maybe when I get home (he said, knowing full well that he is currently using a Model M at home and those space bars cannot be flipped).  OTOH I might switch back to my Ducky which I am kinda missing, and try there.  Cherry stabs too, so no fiddling around with Costar inserts.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 01:07:08
It does look totally weird, and my first instinct is still to say "you've put it on the wrong way around".

I am yet to gather enough courage to try this myself, but OTOH I do not have a problem with space bars in the conventional orientation.

I didn't really have a problem with the conventional orientation either, but I tried it out anyway out of curiosity a lil' over a year ago... my world was changed... Try it now... Just do it. It'll only take like 30 seconds to do it :P

Not while I am at work repairing a server, maybe when I get home (he said, knowing full well that he is currently using a Model M at home and those space bars cannot be flipped).  OTOH I might switch back to my Ducky which I am kinda missing, and try there.  Cherry stabs too, so no fiddling around with Costar inserts.

At first, I was like WTF work?! It's 2 AM, then I realized you were in my old hometown :)) Sounds like a plan. Let me know what you think! Give it a day, at least. If you say you don't like it after some good typing sessions for a day or two, I can't say otherwise :P
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 13 September 2013, 01:09:07
I might ask why you are up and posting at 2am! ;)  :p
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 01:11:10
I might ask why you are up and posting at 2am! ;)  :p

A messed up sleep schedule and flexible work hours :))

What I can ask YOU is, what are you doing browsing GH at work! ;) :P Teehee~
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 13 September 2013, 01:13:08
I might ask why you are up and posting at 2am! ;)  :p

A messed up sleep schedule and flexible work hours :))

What I can ask YOU is, what are you doing browsing GH at work! ;) :P Teehee~

I am repairing a server, and attentively watching a RAID rebuild.

Currently at 46% with about 111 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: terran5992 on Fri, 13 September 2013, 02:58:07
Hmm not bad at all

(http://i.imgur.com/8SJuotV.jpg)
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:09:06
But... where to get adapters for angled switch mounting?
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:18:41
Hmm not bad at all

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8SJuotV.jpg)


>:D Looks like we might have another huhuhu~ Keep it like that for a day or two... it'll stay that way... forever.

But... where to get adapters for angled switch mounting?

Eh???
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: skuko on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:26:32
i was like - wtf is this crap, then i switched the stabilizer stems around and ..... WOW
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:28:33
i was like - wtf is this crap, then i switched the stabilizer stems around and ..... WOW

Huhuhu~ :D Feels good, man. Now time to do it to everyone of your keyboards :P
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: ohgodpleaseno on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:38:19
I flipped the spacebar on the FC660C without really knowing this was a popular thing!(It just felt too sharp the way I was using it.) Super glad to see others on the same page with this! :thumb:
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: terran5992 on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:46:29
I hate to say it. But it really feels a lot better.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:48:28
I flipped the spacebar on the FC660C without really knowing this was a popular thing!(It just felt too sharp the way I was using it.) Super glad to see others on the same page with this! :thumb:

You're a natural :P

I hate to say it. But it really feels a lot better.

Why would you hate to say it? :P It is what it is, which is it feels awesome :P
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: mauri on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:51:00
I prefer the have a sharp edge on my spacebar
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: terran5992 on Fri, 13 September 2013, 03:56:25
Looks really weird but feels sooo good
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 04:08:30
Looks really weird but feels sooo good

You get used to it. As I said in my previous thread which is now closed, "it just looks so wrong, but it just feels so right." :))

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48489.msg1040257#msg1040257
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: bueller on Fri, 13 September 2013, 04:09:08
Looks really weird but feels sooo good

You get used to it. As I said in my previous thread which is now closed, "It just looks so wrong, but it just feels so right." :))

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48489.msg1040257#msg1040257

I actually love the look of it now, looks so inviting to my thumbs  :))
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: terran5992 on Fri, 13 September 2013, 04:23:40
Looks really weird but feels sooo good

You get used to it. As I said in my previous thread which is now closed, "it just looks so wrong, but it just feels so right." :))

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48489.msg1040257#msg1040257

Ppl be like , WTF is wrong with your spacebar



Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 13 September 2013, 04:42:24
Looks really weird but feels sooo good

You get used to it. As I said in my previous thread which is now closed, "it just looks so wrong, but it just feels so right." :))

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48489.msg1040257#msg1040257

Ppl be like , WTF is wrong with your spacebar

Ppl are, like, WTF is with your space bar?!?  Happens a lot around here.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: Wildcard on Fri, 13 September 2013, 08:22:03
My rational self is telling me that this feels so much better. But my OCD keeps reminding me that the space bar is upside down.
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: daerid on Fri, 13 September 2013, 09:47:14
I'm with TP on this one. ErgoDox space key suffers from none of these issues :) I'M JUST SAYING
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: terran5992 on Fri, 13 September 2013, 10:44:17
I'm with TP on this one. ErgoDox space key suffers from none of these issues :) I'M JUST SAYING

Ergo dox

Pffffft
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: skuko on Fri, 13 September 2013, 11:41:19
i'm offcially a flipped spacebar convert, just switched it on my second filco at home, it's freaking awesome :D
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 12:54:34
My rational self is telling me that this feels so much better. But my OCD keeps reminding me that the space bar is upside down.

Just give it time! It'll grow on you :P I'm semi-OCD too but it starts to look pleasant.

i'm offcially a flipped spacebar convert, just switched it on my second filco at home, it's freaking awesome :D

huehue~ it's the good way
Title: Re: Flipped the space bar around, WOW......
Post by: ohgodpleaseno on Fri, 13 September 2013, 14:13:43
I should probably mention though, that the FC660C is the only keyboard where the spacebar actually felt sharp enough to be flipped. My other keyboards aren't like that at all for some reason.
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Post by: ITzNybble on Fri, 13 September 2013, 14:16:56
flipped my WASD V1 yesterday, it will never be switched back, also when I finish my new QFR it will follow suit.
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Post by: Defying on Fri, 13 September 2013, 14:53:54
Am I the only one that doesn't like reversed spacebars? I tried it all day yesterday and didn't like it at all...
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Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 15:05:30
I should probably mention though, that the FC660C is the only keyboard where the spacebar actually felt sharp enough to be flipped. My other keyboards aren't like that at all for some reason.

I know what you mean. The FC 660C's spacebar was especially bad where it was angled in a certain way that the bottom edge was pointing up and was literally the tallest point of the switch. Cherry profile space bars are not as bad and mostly bearable, but I still prefer it that none of my thumb touches the edge.

flipped my WASD V1 yesterday, it will never be switched back, also when I finish my new QFR it will follow suit.

Glad to see we have a few converts in as short as less than 24 hours :D

Am I the only one that doesn't like reversed spacebars? I tried it all day yesterday and didn't like it at all...

It's not for everyone, I think. From what I've seen, it's been more desirable for those with smaller hands where the thumb is angled more lateral, but maybe some just like the feel of the edge too. Whatever makes you happy :D But what's important is that you at least tried it out.
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Post by: mashby on Fri, 13 September 2013, 18:18:46
Am I the only one that doesn't like reversed spacebars? I tried it all day yesterday and didn't like it at all...

What board did you flip it on? Your Poker, or QFR?

I found with the QFR flipping the spacebar wasn't necessary, but on my Poker it's a must.
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Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 13 September 2013, 18:55:08
For those curious as to what I mean when I say that my thumb hits the flipped spacebar flat without hitting the edge, here's a video that kind of shows you what I mean. Pay attention to my right thumb:

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Post by: rowdy on Sat, 14 September 2013, 03:15:48
I'm still undecided about this.  I just switched back from Model M to HHKB, but I am enjoying the HHKB now as the maker intended ;)

One day I will try flipping space bar.  I have a couple of MX keycap sets on the way (actually 2 in the mail atm I hope) so I might try with one of those when it arrives.
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Post by: Altis on Sat, 14 September 2013, 10:23:46
It really depends on how low or high your keyboard is.  I keep my keyboard on the keyboard tray, so my thumbs press flat on the spacebar with it in the stock position.  I do no use a wrist rest, but I do try to angle my hands and fingers less flat than seen in the video above.  On my higher keyboard, which is an Apple aluminum BT, the spacebar and all keys are flat anyhow.  It's also substantially thicker.

I tend to think flat keycaps are better anyways.  If the edge of the spacebar key is bothersome to you, then it's possible the edges of all the keys (particularly the corners) are as well.

Another thing to consider is the fact that so many people enjoy the feeling of flipping the spacebar and some/all other keys on their boards.... goes to show that the standard keycaps really aren't designed to be particularly ergonomic.
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Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 16 September 2013, 15:05:47
(http://i.imgur.com/oYqbCtl.png)
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Post by: evolveS on Mon, 16 September 2013, 15:33:52
Thank you for the laugh Moose!


I flipped my spacebar this weekend, and it flipped my perspective on life.

I didn't try to flip the stabilizers though. That would be just too much for my body to handle right now.
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Post by: oscillik on Mon, 16 September 2013, 16:05:42
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/oYqbCtl.png)


that is a massive lol :p
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Post by: VesperSAINT on Mon, 16 September 2013, 16:45:21
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/oYqbCtl.png)


Lol. Good one.
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Post by: rowdy on Wed, 18 September 2013, 06:01:54
It does look totally weird, and my first instinct is still to say "you've put it on the wrong way around".

I am yet to gather enough courage to try this myself, but OTOH I do not have a problem with space bars in the conventional orientation.

I didn't really have a problem with the conventional orientation either, but I tried it out anyway out of curiosity a lil' over a year ago... my world was changed... Try it now... Just do it. It'll only take like 30 seconds to do it :P

Not while I am at work repairing a server, maybe when I get home (he said, knowing full well that he is currently using a Model M at home and those space bars cannot be flipped).  OTOH I might switch back to my Ducky which I am kinda missing, and try there.  Cherry stabs too, so no fiddling around with Costar inserts.

At first, I was like WTF work?! It's 2 AM, then I realized you were in my old hometown :)) Sounds like a plan. Let me know what you think! Give it a day, at least. If you say you don't like it after some good typing sessions for a day or two, I can't say otherwise :P

As promised, space bar flipped:

(http://i.imgur.com/X1maJwY.jpg)

My intention is to take this in to work for a while as I am missing the MX blacks that this board has.

I am expecting comments about the green, and probably something along the lines of "did you know the space bar is backwards" :))
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Post by: rowdy on Wed, 18 September 2013, 18:05:50
Using it at work now, and tbh I thought I would feel the difference more than typing, but nope.

What I feel most is the texture on the space bar.

Having the space bar with the conventional orientation never really bothered me, so I'll keep it like this for a week or two, then swap and see if it is any different.
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Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 18 September 2013, 18:08:33
I would probably say that the difference is more negligible because they're OEM height. I think the effect is more pronounced on lower caps, with the SP spacebar being the most pronounced due to the angle of the bottom row.
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Post by: rowdy on Wed, 18 September 2013, 18:11:23
I would probably say that the difference is more negligible because they're OEM height. I think the effect is more pronounced on lower caps, with the SP spacebar being the most pronounced due to the angle of the bottom row.

Possibly, yes.  This one does still feel different.

So far I do not have a Cherry profile space bar to try - hopefully soon, there are a couple of GBs coming to fruition over the next month or two, which will be long enough for the flipped OEM space bar experiment to proceed.
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Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 18 September 2013, 18:20:28
I would probably say that the difference is more negligible because they're OEM height. I think the effect is more pronounced on lower caps, with the SP spacebar being the most pronounced due to the angle of the bottom row.

I can agree with this. Cherry profile imsto thick PBT caps and the Leopold 660 series spacebars have really sharp edges and angle. The difference when flipped on those are much more significant. Unfortunately, I have no experience with SP spacebars but I'd take moose's word for it.
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Post by: Fullcream on Wed, 18 September 2013, 19:21:50
I think this might be making a little bit more of a difference for people that are sitting their wrists on the desk while typing, since it causes your palms to be not parallel to the keyboard. The angle of flipped space bar is making you very happy. When key cap profiles were designed it was probably not expected that a lot of people would type that way. I type without resting my wrists and my thumb hits a stock fitted (thick pbt cherry) space bar completely flat.
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Post by: rowdy on Wed, 18 September 2013, 19:38:34
I think this might be making a little bit more of a difference for people that are sitting their wrists on the desk while typing, since it causes your palms to be not parallel to the keyboard. The angle of flipped space bar is making you very happy. When key cap profiles were designed it was probably not expected that a lot of people would type that way. I type without resting my wrists and my thumb hits a stock fitted (thick pbt cherry) space bar completely flat.

I type with my hands raised slightly from the desk and have no wrist rest.

Between typing I tend to rest my palm heels on the desk in front of the keyboard.

Also I have noticed that I almost always use my right thumb on the space bar.
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 September 2013, 09:31:15
For some reason it just feels so right

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Post by: VesperSAINT on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:52:52
For some reason it just feels so right

(Attachment Link)

Huehue~ What other reasons does there need to be other than that it feels so right? ;)
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Post by: rowdy on Thu, 19 September 2013, 17:23:37
Looking at these pictures there is a more obvious profile difference with Cherry.  In the wrong light OEM (as I have) might be misconstrued as slightly out of alignment.

I'm still persisting (haven't really noticed much difference), but I'll try it again when a set of Cherry profile caps comes my way.
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Post by: rao2100 on Mon, 06 January 2014, 08:20:22
Okay, spacebar flipped. Lets see if it grows on me. :)
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Post by: terran5992 on Mon, 06 January 2014, 08:24:32
Okay, spacebar flipped. Lets see if it grows on me. :)

It will change your life
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 06 January 2014, 08:25:52
Okay, spacebar flipped. Lets see if it grows on me. :)

I love it on topre but not so much on mx.
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Post by: neunelfer on Mon, 06 January 2014, 08:43:07
Okay, spacebar flipped. Lets see if it grows on me. :)

I love it on topre but not so much on mx.

Weird, I'm the opposite. The angle is much more extreme on my HHKB when flipped.
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Post by: zoolzoo on Mon, 06 January 2014, 08:57:15
sp spacebars benefit the most from flipping, because the angle is so sharp. others, not as much.
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Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 06 January 2014, 09:26:16
sp spacebars benefit the most from flipping, because the angle is so sharp. others, not as much.

I never tried a flipped spacebar until yesterday when a CCnG set came in. The sharp angle bothered me, and flipping made it so much better.
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Post by: strict on Mon, 06 January 2014, 12:45:55
I was totally dismissive of this idea while reading through this thread at first. Then I tried it  :eek:

It seriously feels amazing! This is such a simple change that totally transforms the feel of the spacebar. It looks like ass but feels good enough that I will happily live with it.
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Post by: rowdy on Mon, 06 January 2014, 22:14:38
I've tried it, I stuck with a flipped space bar for a couple of months.

It really didn't make any difference to me.  People say it feels amazingly better.  I didn't get that.

Plus it grated on my aesthetics sensibilities ;)
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Post by: mr. rampage on Wed, 08 January 2014, 08:40:25
I accidentally installed my new spacebars on backwards and now I feel like I'm in God mode. It feels amazing. Definitely worth trying!
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Post by: phoenix1234 on Wed, 08 January 2014, 08:48:19
I'm also a fan of flipped space bar  ;)
However, I prefer flipped space bar on my keyboards with Costa stabilizers only
(http://i.imgur.com/kZ47mof.jpg)
I'm not sure if I like flipped space bar on my keyboards with Cherry stabilizers or not.
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Post by: VesperSAINT on Thu, 09 January 2014, 03:47:00
I'm also a fan of flipped space bar  ;)
However, I prefer flipped space bar on my keyboards with Costa stabilizers only
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/kZ47mof.jpg)

I'm not sure if I like flipped space bar on my keyboards with Cherry stabilizers or not.

Good looking board!!! Love it :) Also, I agree with you that it definitely feels better flipped on costar than on cherry. Some might argue that costar just feels better than cherry in general.
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Post by: Beca on Thu, 09 January 2014, 04:11:01
I've tried it, I stuck with a flipped space bar for a couple of months.

It really didn't make any difference to me.  People say it feels amazingly better.  I didn't get that.

Plus it grated on my aesthetics sensibilities ;)
It's a lot more comfortable for me to rest my thumb there, especially when playing League  :thumb:

Looks weird though, I agree.
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Post by: katushkin on Thu, 09 January 2014, 08:12:50
Am I the only one who presses the spacebar with his right index finger?
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Post by: strict on Thu, 09 January 2014, 11:25:59
Am I the only one who presses the spacebar with his right index finger?

(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-C1K0OYfaR88/UBb-es-8S7I/AAAAAAAAB-U/PdrLTVxjVfg/s1600/r-kelly-shock.gif)
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Post by: katushkin on Fri, 10 January 2014, 02:57:40
Am I the only one who presses the spacebar with his right index finger?

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(https://lh3.ggpht.com/-C1K0OYfaR88/UBb-es-8S7I/AAAAAAAAB-U/PdrLTVxjVfg/s1600/r-kelly-shock.gif)


 :confused: :-[
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Post by: jacobolus on Fri, 10 January 2014, 03:30:16
These guys have roughly the right idea:
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/8/88/Mtron1.jpg)
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Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 10 January 2014, 03:36:58
These guys have roughly the right idea:
Show Image
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/8/88/Mtron1.jpg)


I don't know about that layout, but those flipped thumb keys though. So good.
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Post by: moonexe on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:52:45
Off center switch. Can't do. :(
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Post by: Air tree on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:56:02
I'll try this on my HHKB when I get it. Maybe I'll be a Flipped spacebar convert also?
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Post by: moonexe on Sun, 26 January 2014, 18:00:40
Someone should make a custom shaped spacebar for you guys. :rolleyes:
I'd 3D print one if I had a little bit of extra cash...
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Post by: luminor on Mon, 27 January 2014, 07:45:59
i flip my space bar because of GH and i love it
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Post by: Candyflip on Mon, 27 January 2014, 07:53:52
Flipped space bar - love at first try ^-^
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Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 27 January 2014, 16:46:21
Been running for a couple months with flipped spacebar, felt "right" instantly.
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Post by: Linkbane on Tue, 28 January 2014, 11:37:22
These guys have roughly the right idea:
Show Image
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/8/88/Mtron1.jpg)


That seems like a dream layout for me. If only it didn't cost $500..