Nice score! Maybe I'll have to grab one from you at the Toronto meet up :D
I'm yet to acquire a model F.
Nice score! Maybe I'll have to grab one from you at the Toronto meet up :D
I'm yet to acquire a model F.
Do it Halverson. They are the best board ever...no lie. Nothing compares to capcitive buckling spring.
Holy fuzz buckets man. Nice find! They look to be in excellent shape. F 122s are great boards if you have the desk space.Yes, some have blue legends, but I don't know which, they are in the attic, where is dark now.
So what's your plan for them then? I'm sure you can make some nice coin selling them to Geekhackers. Spread the good word of the capacitive buckling spring.
Do any of them have blue secondary legends?
*Typed on my F-122*
Remember that dfj wanted one of those Orange legend boards. :PYou can see them, is IMG_0496.
OK I have to ask...what's up with the mirror on the monitor?You need one when you have a wife ...
So what's your plan for them then? I'm sure you can make some nice coin selling them to Geekhackers. Spread the good word of the capacitive buckling spring.wrt plan, i don't know, but i want to keep only two. i have to think about the rest.
Can I be dibsed 2nd?
I'm surprised how many people want one when AKIMbO could barely sell his decked out one a month or two ago.
I'm surprised how many people want one when AKIMbO could barely sell his decked out one a month or two ago.ive always kinda wanted one preferably at a great price
Aww, one's broken (bottom right in first picture) but F-122's are great.
I wish I live in Toronto..
I wish I live in Toronto..
not many people on here say that :p
I think you can get away with a cable swap to PS2, but if I recall correctly, it's not a very good option (it's an odd scancode set implementation or something. I'm using mine with a teensy in a small enclosure I made, and it works great.I'm surprised how many people want one when AKIMbO could barely sell his decked out one a month or two ago.ive always kinda wanted one preferably at a great price
These need that converter right?
Can I get colored caps from unicomp for these?
I... I need clean pants.I was thinking of the second picture, It's the one next to that, the case is broken near the connector entry, you can see it in the first two pictures.
And my wallet.Quote from: dorkvaderAww, one's broken (bottom right in first picture) but F-122's are great.
Nooooooooooooo. No no no. That is not broken. That one is just upside down.
I was thinking of the second picture, It's the one next to that, the case is broken near the connector entry, you can see it in the first two pictures.
I mean, I have one, so I know what they look like upside down ;)
Yes these work well with Soarer's converter.
Of note, which I'm sure Soarer knows but didn't go into, technically F13-F24 are specified as part of Set2 - specifically for 3270/5250. The problem is that it A) enlarges your table B) requires your BIOS to speak complete Set2 - which is rare C) requires your OS to speak complete Set2 which yeahno.
1. Soarer made this possible, he got a prize from Deskthority, but nothing from us. So, I'll donate Soarer one of them, as a recognition of his work.
Shipping included. I don't know about UK taxes, though.1. Soarer made this possible, he got a prize from Deskthority, but nothing from us. So, I'll donate Soarer one of them, as a recognition of his work.
Dude, that's really kind! I've no idea how much the shipping would cost to the UK, but I haven't found any over here (anywhere in Europe) for ages now.
Hy guys.
Here are my thoughts. This should be a GH community event. This wouldn't have been possible without Soarer's work, the GH community and my luck. So:
1. Soarer made this possible, he got a prize from Deskthority, but nothing from us. So, I'll donate Soarer one of them, as a recognition of his work.
2. I want to keep only two, one which I'm already using and probably the 1385167, not for the orange legends, but for the rarity.
3. The rest will go the GH community members, with a 10% of the benefits donated to GH. mkawa, isn't it beautiful ?
Now, I never sold a keyboard in my life and I hate the shipping/packaging/stamping stuff, so I'd prefer to sell them directly. Also, I have no idea what the price should be. dorkvader has good investigating skills, as the already pointed out, three of them were damaged during shipping. I already mentioned it, but it seems to be cosmetic. All others are in excellent condition and real beauties.
4. Any suggestions wrt this stuff is much appreciated.
Amazing!Hey, man, it's a Blast from the Past.
I have been gushing about these behemoths for a year, and yesterday afternoon my motherboard died and I missed all this fun!
My fantasies about stumbling across a hoard of these has come true - for somebody else!
In case I wasn't clear or explicit earlier, I would be delighted to purchase the F122/APC. That was my first Real Keyboard and I would be a happy camper to have it on (most of) my desk!
If "dibs" can be said, then I be sayin' "dibs" here!
Very best!
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I think you're third after hal and me. That is if he's going my dibs
I wish I live in Toronto..
not many people on here say that :p
First and last time :p
I'm surprised how many people want one when AKIMbO could barely sell his decked out one a month or two ago.
just noticed these are ISO?SAME HERE.
3rd pic up from the bottom of the OP.thanks, looks like im going to have my hands full...
The key caps are 2 pieces. This is not an ISO layout, this is what IBM thought in 1984 to be the best layout for them and for users. I used only ANSI keyboards, and switching to the 122-key model f, I thought that the vertical Enter key would be a problem. Not at all. I don't fell the difference, so, I'm keeping the original layout of the board. Some changes could be done, with not much effort, in the layout. I prefer to keep the original keyboard as it was when was manufactured.I'm surprised how many people want one when AKIMbO could barely sell his decked out one a month or two ago.
I thought his was modded to a more ANSI layout, right? Enter key made horizontal? But it was not of the 122-Key SuperMacross variety shown here, right? Also, question: are the keys on these keyboards two-piece or one? I have a Model M 122-Key (love the layout) and the switches are two pieces, so, wondering if my extra caps would be compatible with the Model F version.
just noticed these are ISO?Th
How much did they all cost? :0It's a nice story behind this find, but I will not disclose all the details. Basically, I asked only for two, and I ended up with fifteen. I was thinking to make them available to other interested people. I'm so glad that they ended up in my attic, instead of a garbage dump.
Whew!To be honest, it's not about money. It's about something else, which I'm not clear now how to solve it: how to make all the parties involved in this find benefit from it ? If I sell them for $100 each, I don't get rich, if I give them for free, I don't get poor. That's why I asked for suggestions.
I am glad I am not in this one.
Bidding blindly against the odd GHer, every few months or so, for a single copy, was one thing.
Pox needs to cut this off as soon as he hits his number, start a lottery, or he will have to endure a bidding war. I wish it were me, I need the money.
Whew!To be honest, it's not about money. It's about something else, which I'm not clear now how to solve it: how to make all the parties involved in this find benefit from it ? If I sell them for $100 each, I don't get rich, if I give them for free, I don't get poor. That's why I asked for suggestions.
I am glad I am not in this one.
Bidding blindly against the odd GHer, every few months or so, for a single copy, was one thing.
Pox needs to cut this off as soon as he hits his number, start a lottery, or he will have to endure a bidding war. I wish it were me, I need the money.
Where some see war, I see peace. One love, man.
This would make it easy for me. You should come up here, at our meetup on Feb 21st.I wish I live in Toronto..
not many people on here say that :p
First and last time :p
I've actually always wanted to visit. Perhaps not in February... but picking up a nice Model F would make a worthy excuse!
Of note, which I'm sure Soarer knows but didn't go into, technically F13-F24 are specified as part of Set2 - specifically for 3270/5250. The problem is that it A) enlarges your table B) requires your BIOS to speak complete Set2 - which is rare C) requires your OS to speak complete Set2 which yeahno.
Also of note... these speak Set3 ;) Sure, a large subset of the codes are the same as Set2, but that mapping makes the 10 keys at the left F1 to F10. See John Elliot's excellent reference (http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/ibm_1390876.html) - man, those pages saved me so much time!
what exactly does that key in the center of the arrow keys do?I don't know. To find out, you should use the keyboard on a terminal. Or use Soarer's analyzer, to see the signal sent by that key.
Oh and worst comes to worst, if you need help shipping these out, when I'm up this month I could bring them back here and send out. My post office already hates me.
fohat, what is the oldest you found ? I got one here from 30 May 1984.
fohat, what is the oldest you found ? I got one here from 30 May 1984.
I have 2 from August 1984, but I think that Dorkvader wins the prize with something like #300 from March 1984.
PS - the center arrow key was originally something like Japanese language, but I recommend setting it to another down arrow, just for consistency with standard ANSI
That is huge.fohat, what is the oldest you found ? I got one here from 30 May 1984.
I have 2 from August 1984, but I think that Dorkvader wins the prize with something like #300 from March 1984.
PS - the center arrow key was originally something like Japanese language, but I recommend setting it to another down arrow, just for consistency with standard ANSI
My F 122 has a birthdate of Apr 1984.
Also,
From iso-esque.....Show Image(http://i46.tinypic.com/5bc4k.jpg)
To ansi... (not that hard, it just requires a few spare parts from a Model M)Show Image(http://i46.tinypic.com/357kb53.jpg)
This thread made me bust out my F-122 and then promptly get yelled at by the GF for typing "on that loud ass mother(loving) keyboard while I'm trying to watch my show." *whip cracks*
what exactly does that key in the center of the arrow keys do?I don't know. To find out, you should use the keyboard on a terminal. Or use Soarer's analyzer, to see the signal sent by that key.
It's on Deskthority.
With Soarer converter, you can map it to anything you want. In the legacy configuration, that key is mapped to Down arrow.
what exactly does that key in the center of the arrow keys do?I don't know. To find out, you should use the keyboard on a terminal. Or use Soarer's analyzer, to see the signal sent by that key.
It's on Deskthority.
With Soarer converter, you can map it to anything you want. In the legacy configuration, that key is mapped to Down arrow.
I do. Center of the arrows performs two functions. Function A (No Modifier) is programmable scancode - there is no specific associated function. You have to configure the terminal to perform a related function. Function B (Ctrl modifier, as I recall) is "Up and Left" or "Diagonal Up-Left" depending who's description you prefer.
But WAIT! There's more!
See, that's only true on the F for PCs. The 3588 terminal (3270 basically) uses up arrow and down arrow as 'roll up' and 'roll down' (not to be confused with scroll,) with the center button as Rule/Pause. (Right Ctrl is Enter and ISO Enter is 'Field Exit'.) You see similar mapping on the 3151 M's.
Maybe this will get somebody excited about making some Model M keycaps! I particularly want:
Windows
Mute
Pause
And you will realize that a full range of "media keys" would be great, now that you have those lonely orphaned keys just sitting there!
GEEKHACK TOWN PEOPLE !
There Will Be Blood ... blah, sorry: Auction !. I see interest and I see strength in you, one day you will be a Model F owner.
You'll decide the price. What I can manage is the shipping cost, which will be $40 for all international, for everybody, so our friends from Europe, Australia, or Africa, all the white people and black people and Chinese people, have the same access as anybody else.
For Canada it's free shipping.
I don't know if it could be done in this thread. The administrator will tell us.
If not, I'll use the Thunderdome Auction House: ONE BOARD ENTER, ONE MAN LEAVE ! ( ... with the board, of course).
Suggestions are welcome, as usually.
Maybe this will get somebody excited about making some Model M keycaps! I particularly want:
Windows
Mute
Pause
And you will realize that a full range of "media keys" would be great, now that you have those lonely orphaned keys just sitting there!
Unicomp now has all the media keys from (i believe) the SSK. I have Mute, VolUp and VolDn on my Model Ms now.
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Potato Picture
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Those are not pretty ....
I suppose the Volume Up and Volume Down are OK, but are the dots coming out of the speaker supposed to represent "mute"?
Weird graphics, to me. Isn't it usually a speaker with a circle and slash through it?
I bought dark blue "M" and "P" and light blue up and down arrows, which looks pretty good.
I can't find that stuff on the Unicomp site.
The internal construction of the Model F and Model M are completely different, as you will see as soon as you open it up..
The Model M was not intended to be serviced, so with the bolt mod you are basically cutting it apart, and bolting your wreckage back together by an artificial method.
The Model F can be taken apart and re-assembled without damage, it just isn't easy. And it is harder on the big ones than the small ones.
That was the reason for my "Model F Bolt-Modding Guide" mentioned below, but, unlike the Model M, it is not necessary.
In fact, the more practice I get with the clamps, the easier the "sliding force fit" has become for me. The last one I did, I used the original tabs and added just 1 bolt (above the Backspace) where the plate flexes the most. I now recommend trying to do it the original way before drilling, and cutting the tabs only as a last resort.
Having said that, once the board is apart, you have a great deal of flexibility with the keys. If you do my near-ANSI mod, I believe that you end up with one barrel and spring left over.
If you decide to unveil the 3-4 "secret" keys, you will need a couple of extra barrels and springs. I have a few extras but don't ask me for more than a couple. Model Ms have different springs and all the barrels are integral in one sheet, so forget about M parts.
And, of course, you will need the keys and accessories (including the barrel "chimney" insert sleeves for stabilizer pegs) that you want to change out.
Maybe this will get somebody excited about making some Model M keycaps! I particularly want:
Windows
Mute
Pause
And you will realize that a full range of "media keys" would be great, now that you have those lonely orphaned keys just sitting there!
#2 You specified shipping costs for Canada, Europe, Australia, and Africa. Is the US "International"?
The internal construction of the Model F and Model M are completely different, as you will see as soon as you open it up..
The Model M was not intended to be serviced, so with the bolt mod you are basically cutting it apart, and bolting your wreckage back together by an artificial method.
The Model F can be taken apart and re-assembled without damage, it just isn't easy. And it is harder on the big ones than the small ones.
That was the reason for my "Model F Bolt-Modding Guide" mentioned below, but, unlike the Model M, it is not necessary.
In fact, the more practice I get with the clamps, the easier the "sliding force fit" has become for me. The last one I did, I used the original tabs and added just 1 bolt (above the Backspace) where the plate flexes the most. I now recommend trying to do it the original way before drilling, and cutting the tabs only as a last resort.
Having said that, once the board is apart, you have a great deal of flexibility with the keys. If you do my near-ANSI mod, I believe that you end up with one barrel and spring left over.
If you decide to unveil the 3-4 "secret" keys, you will need a couple of extra barrels and springs. I have a few extras but don't ask me for more than a couple. Model Ms have different springs and all the barrels are integral in one sheet, so forget about M parts.
And, of course, you will need the keys and accessories (including the barrel "chimney" insert sleeves for stabilizer pegs) that you want to change out.
Maybe this will get somebody excited about making some Model M keycaps! I particularly want:
Windows
Mute
Pause
And you will realize that a full range of "media keys" would be great, now that you have those lonely orphaned keys just sitting there!
clickeykeyboards have springs & hammers for model f, $1 for 8 of them.
Dutch auction style? So everyone pays the lowest winning bid price? And you get one of the Model F's at random?Tell me more. I never did this. All I know about auctions is what I watched on Storage Wars.
Dutch auction style? So everyone pays the lowest winning bid price? And you get one of the Model F's at random?Tell me more. I never did this. All I know about auctions is what I watched on Storage Wars.
Oh the excitement in here while I slept! I take back wanting two of these, since it seems everyone wants one! :)Look what happens when you touch a Model F. We play here with contagious stuff, maybe we should call CDC.
But I would still love one with the orange legends, cracked or not.
Oh the excitement in here while I slept! I take back wanting two of these, since it seems everyone wants one! :)Look what happens when you touch a Model F.
But I would still love one with the orange legends, cracked or not.
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ibm-model-m-collection-t5051.html
I don't even know what my SSK looks like. Didn't see it in months. fohat was right, there must be a Model F 122 virus around. I'm curious whether Topre is immune to this virus.Oh the excitement in here while I slept! I take back wanting two of these, since it seems everyone wants one! :)Look what happens when you touch a Model F.
But I would still love one with the orange legends, cracked or not.
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ibm-model-m-collection-t5051.html
True story. The 2 Ms in my closet haven't seen the light of day since I picked up my first F AT. I don't even list them in my signature (that's how ashamed of them I am).
Yes, you need a Model M with the same legs. The old ones seem to have identical top case shell. I'll check again.
Thanks
It was kishi, he told me about that.Yes, you need a Model M with the same legs. The old ones seem to have identical top case shell. I'll check again.
Thanks
It seems compatible, but it isn't. Also, very few Model M 122s have a "compatible" case - it has to be a very early kind of model (don't recall the number immediately). But the case needs modifications in order to fit on an F - a bunch of snipping and cutting at extra bits of plastic and such. djf (or was it kishy) did it, if memory serves me right.
With all these dozens of "spare" keys floating around waiting to be re-assigned, somebody really needs to fabricate some interesting key caps.
With all these dozens of "spare" keys floating around waiting to be re-assigned, somebody really needs to fabricate some interesting key caps.What about Unicomp ? Are they doing costum key caps ?
The spacebars will be the big stumbling block until somebody "cough" figures out a good mod.
I was thinking about something much simpler and more ghetto such as fabricating wire clips and epoxying them to the metal front plate.
fohat, what is the oldest you found ? I got one here from 30 May 1984.
I was thinking about something much simpler and more ghetto such as fabricating wire clips and epoxying them to the metal front plate.
Webwit has an industrial M with a lower SN, and I think there was a GH'er that also had a low SN model M, so I sort-of want to keep this one unmodded and use another as an ANSI.
fohat, I'm pretty sure mkawa was referring to textual assistance... you know, guidance, instructions, that sort of thing.
mkawa, thanks for volunteering me! < sarcasm >;D sorry, i'm not good at keeping secrets!
Oh yeah, that is a beauty.I found one for mine as well, but it was more expensive (Like $6 for just the connector) but it came with a single screw on ring to attach it to the enclosure panel.
Much nicer than mine, although I did find the female connector that actually screws into the DIN cable from the board!
Oh yeah, that is a beauty.The box was $1.99 and the socket $2.00. I had a USB-miniB cable from a Nokia cell phone. I made it because I don't want to open the keyboards.
Much nicer than mine, although I did find the female connector that actually screws into the DIN cable from the board!
The major problem is the shipping cost. From Toronto to UK is $85 by boat, which takes 3-6 weeks, and $142 by Xpresspost, which should take 4-12 business daysand even more to russia. i don't care.
Possibly a lottery for anyone who doesn't already own one and would like one?
The major problem is the shipping cost. From Toronto to UK is $85 by boat, which takes 3-6 weeks, and $142 by Xpresspost, which should take 4-12 business daysand even more to russia. i don't care.
how much would it be to ship half of them to the UK? in one goYou can find out, each has 11lb. But, is UK half of the world ?
Christ, I had no idea that Canada Post was so expensive :(
Remind me to never get anything large shipped from Canada to Australia :eek:For Australia is $90 with surface, or $150 with Xpresspost, with Canada Post. No big difference from UK. UPS and USPS are prohibitive, over $200.
Remind me to never get anything large shipped from Canada to Australia :eek:
Remind me to never get anything large shipped from Canada to Australia :eek:
I'll deliver it for you Rowdy :) I've been meaning to come back for a visit, it's been to long. I miss VB on the beach while failing at fishing.
dorkvader, do you have the part number for that enclosure and the DIN and USB sockets?
You will need a "project box" and it is a little daunting to decide what size.
Mine were about 80cmx60cmx40cm (3"x2"x1") and accommodated a Teensy with pins, mounted on a breadboard (from RS), pull-up resistors, and pigtails going out both sides. For this I had to jury-rig a mounting using odd components such as a cut piece of plastic wine cork and hot glue.
If you have 2 weeks to wait on shipping from China, go on ebay and search "project box" and you will find many options for $5
All of them are that clean. They came from Sunguard Recovery Services and were used sporadically, not for long time and not in a development environment. That explains their good shape.Any news here? Is there an auction set up, or some other mechanism for us to submit bids for these fine specimens?
Does anyone know of a keyboard tester for Linux?
All of them are that clean. They came from Sunguard Recovery Services and were used sporadically, not for long time and not in a development environment. That explains their good shape.Any news here? Is there an auction set up, or some other mechanism for us to submit bids for these fine specimens?
I just saw this thread a couple days ago. Does anyone here know if these keyboards ever went up for auction?
People of Geekhacktown !
Thunderdome Auction House will open this Sunday !
First auction will be for the benefits of GH, all the proceeds will be donated.
The starting price is $120 and the shipping is $40 for international and $free for Canada, as I promised. I'm a man of my word.
I know you love them, I know you want them.
People of Geekhacktown !
Thunderdome Auction House will open this Sunday !
First auction will be for the benefits of GH, all the proceeds will be donated.
The starting price is $120 and the shipping is $40 for international and $free for Canada, as I promised. I'm a man of my word.
I know you love them, I know you want them.
Oh shi....it's thunderdome!
can i make a suggestion? ship half of these to a deskthority member and split the auction, its hard to find these in the EU and it would save a lot on shipping. i will buy one and im sure fossala will. Thats two gone straight away.I have an APO/FPO adress in Italy, If you ship them out of the US using USPS, you pay domestic shipping costs. I can then ship them out to respective EU members VAT free.
The starting price is $120 and the shipping is $40 for international and $free for Canada, as I promised.
is even the broken one starting at $120?
All of them are that clean. They came from Sunguard Recovery Services and were used sporadically, not for long time and not in a development environment. That explains their good shape.
All of them are that clean. They came from Sunguard Recovery Services and were used sporadically, not for long time and not in a development environment. That explains their good shape.
"sporadically, not for a long time"?
It's Sungard. That's DR gear. Those examples? Were probably never used. The way Sungard gear works is it gets used into the ground, and then they replace the dead stuff with something from their spares. It's how the business model works. Hundreds of hands will touch the same keyboard which they'll try to keep as busy as possible. So someone will have an exercise, then two days later someone else will be doing work on it for a week or two, then on to another, and so on..
Where are these being auctioned? Here or eBay?Thunderdome Auction House is located in Geekhacktown.