is 2013 the new year of topre?
cause i'm stoked
and seriously, this is a soft landing? my cm pro with thin and firm o-rings has the same "softness".wait are you telling me a keyboard with rubber bits is similarly soft to another keyboard with rubber bits?
also they both have cords. doesn't justify 2.5x price tag difference.and seriously, this is a soft landing? my cm pro with thin and firm o-rings has the same "softness".wait are you telling me a keyboard with rubber bits is similarly soft to another keyboard with rubber bits?
Do you mean the THOCK as the key travels back up?it bottoms out with a thock.
Do you mean the THOCK as the key travels back up?it bottoms out with a thock.
also they both have cords. doesn't justify 2.5x price tag difference.and seriously, this is a soft landing? my cm pro with thin and firm o-rings has the same "softness".wait are you telling me a keyboard with rubber bits is similarly soft to another keyboard with rubber bits?Do you mean the THOCK as the key travels back up?it bottoms out with a thock.
Dude, you should've just bought a GoW set from T for your QFR. I'd say use the Chicony ridic-thick double-shots, but they proved to be way too heavy. (1x's weren't coming back up!) But moderately thick PBT just completely changes the character and sound of the QFR.i don't own a qfr (it's a qf pro) and dislike printed keycaps. and qf pro. will sell it as soon as possible.
astriking is not really necessary loln overpriced rubber dome
Do you mean the THOCK as the key travels back up?it bottoms out with a thock.
Dude, you should've just bought a GoW set from T for your QFR. I'd say use the Chicony ridic-thick double-shots, but they proved to be way too heavy. (1x's weren't coming back up!) But moderately thick PBT just completely changes the character and sound of the QFR.
Plus it costs way less than an overpriced rubber domeTopre.
I've found the HHKB has more of a "thock". The RF's plate dampens quite a bit of noise.
Both use a spring to determine the weight of the switch, and both slide up and down within a plastic housing, with a plastic slider.
Both use a spring to determine the weight of the switchtopre switch spring is 5gf, the switch itself (in my keyboard) is 45gf.
Both use a spring to determine the weight of the switchtopre switch spring is 5gf, the switch itself (in my keyboard) is 45gf.
Both use a spring to determine the weight of the switch, and both slide up and down within a plastic housing, with a plastic slider.
The spring in a Topre is not used to change weight. Variable weight Topre's have different thickness rubber domes, and some with holes punched through if I remember right. The spring is for the sensing circuit only.
can't put an equality sign between rubber domes and springs. domes have an initial resistance and collapse once it's passed. springs behave differently.
heh, are membrane keyboards mechanical then? they use domes as springs.
For the topre haters: A Topre switch is every bit as mechanical as a Cherry MX switch, and here is why -Both use a spring(Topre rubber) to determine the weight of the switch, and both slide up and down within a plastic housing, with a plastic slider.
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And anyway, by your definition, all rubber dome keyboards are mechanical also, due to the mechanical action of the plunger compressing a rubber dome on the membrane to come into contact with the pads that completes the electrical circuit.
i've had an old AT membrane keyboard which used plastic sliders. it had a nicer landing feel than this realforce lol
Have you seen a Peerless? Spring, slider, and rubber domes.And anyway, by your definition, all rubber dome keyboards are mechanical also, due to the mechanical action of the plunger compressing a rubber dome on the membrane to come into contact with the pads that completes the electrical circuit.
Wrong. There are two major components that don't exist in a rubber dome, that I have already stated: Plastic housing + slider + spring.
but you already said the rubber acts as a spring. And I've used plenty of boards that had plastic housings and sliders.
To the OP... give it more than a day... say a week or two. If you aren't happy with it then, you'll fall right in with numerous people who just don't like Topre. You don't HAVE to love it. :P
Have you seen a Peerless? Spring, slider, and rubber domes.
Wait.... so you're saying the sole thing that separates a mechanical switch from a non-mechanical is a plastic housing that isn't part of the larger board?
dafuq?
i already heard absyrd's advice. actually the board is nice, the only thing that i don't like is bottom out feel. and selling the board in classifieds is kinda difficult for me since i live in russia. last time i sent a package to usa via regular mail, they charged me $60, and it was amazon kindle in the parcel... mailing a topre board will cost even more.To the OP... give it more than a day... say a week or two. If you aren't happy with it then, you'll fall right in with numerous people who just don't like Topre. You don't HAVE to love it. :PThis. From the previous posts, I think he already falls into that category. I expect to see his board in classifieds soon ;)
i already heard absyrd's advice. actually the board is nice, the only thing that i don't like is bottom out feel. and selling the board in classifieds is kinda difficult for me since i live in russia. last time i sent a package to usa via regular mail, they charged me $60, and it was amazon kindle in the parcel... mailing a topre board will cost even more.
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Peerless switch.
I'd say anything that isn't a touch screen is, technically, mechanical. On our site here, typically if it has a spring, it is 'mechanical'. So to each their own on interpreting that. Rubber domes are a typical term associated with crappy keyboards, though there are nice RD keyboards, such as a Dell QuietKey or (in some opinions) Topre.
All keyboards are mechanical really, you have to physically move the key cap down to compress a switch or spring to make the key register.More or less what I was trying to say before. Thanks mate.
All keyboards are mechanical really, you have to physically move the key cap down to compress a switch or spring to make the key register.
Not always mush though. See a vintage QuietKey or Olleveti (I butchered that spelling, sorry)dome keyboard.All keyboards are mechanical really, you have to physically move the key cap down to compress a switch or spring to make the key register.
I think it's what makes up that switch that is in debate. Some rubber domes are only a rubber membrane underneath the key. No spring or even housing. Just plain mush.
I'd say anything that isn't a touch screen is, technically, mechanical. On our site here, typically if it has a spring, it is 'mechanical'. So to each their own on interpreting that. Rubber domes are a typical term associated with crappy keyboards, though there are nice RD keyboards, such as a Dell QuietKey or (in some opinions) Topre.
So since Topres contain a spring, that makes them mechanical, right? :P
I'd say anything that isn't a touch screen is, technically, mechanical. On our site here, typically if it has a spring, it is 'mechanical'. So to each their own on interpreting that. Rubber domes are a typical term associated with crappy keyboards, though there are nice RD keyboards, such as a Dell QuietKey or (in some opinions) Topre.
So since Topres contain a spring, that makes them mechanical, right? :p
The switch in a Topre key is capacitive. There is no physical connection so it is not mechanical, unless you think putting a spring and cup rubber on top of a capacitive sensor makes it mechanical
I'd say anything that isn't a touch screen is, technically, mechanical. On our site here, typically if it has a spring, it is 'mechanical'. So to each their own on interpreting that. Rubber domes are a typical term associated with crappy keyboards, though there are nice RD keyboards, such as a Dell QuietKey or (in some opinions) Topre.
So since Topres contain a spring, that makes them mechanical, right? :p
The switch in a Topre key is capacitive. There is no physical connection so it is not mechanical, unless you think putting a spring and cup rubber on top of a capacitive sensor makes it mechanical
There is a solid mechanical connection between finger, keycap, dome, spring and PCB when the key is depressed so there most certainly is a mechanical connection.
why did i even start this thread?..
I'd say anything that isn't a touch screen is, technically, mechanical. On our site here, typically if it has a spring, it is 'mechanical'. So to each their own on interpreting that. Rubber domes are a typical term associated with crappy keyboards, though there are nice RD keyboards, such as a Dell QuietKey or (in some opinions) Topre.
So since Topres contain a spring, that makes them mechanical, right? :p
The switch in a Topre key is capacitive. There is no physical connection so it is not mechanical, unless you think putting a spring and cup rubber on top of a capacitive sensor makes it mechanical
There is a solid mechanical connection between finger, keycap, dome, spring and PCB when the key is depressed so there most certainly is a mechanical connection.
Does that mean a touchscreen is a mechanical switch?
My finger and the air around it have a mechanical movement and the screen makes a mechanical thumping sound when my finger hits it. Not only that, but there is a subtle change in the mechanical flow of electrons. Therefore, by your definition it is mechanical. Of course by your definition, everything is mechanical so we might as well just burn the word.I'd say anything that isn't a touch screen is, technically, mechanical. On our site here, typically if it has a spring, it is 'mechanical'. So to each their own on interpreting that. Rubber domes are a typical term associated with crappy keyboards, though there are nice RD keyboards, such as a Dell QuietKey or (in some opinions) Topre.
So since Topres contain a spring, that makes them mechanical, right? :p
The switch in a Topre key is capacitive. There is no physical connection so it is not mechanical, unless you think putting a spring and cup rubber on top of a capacitive sensor makes it mechanical
There is a solid mechanical connection between finger, keycap, dome, spring and PCB when the key is depressed so there most certainly is a mechanical connection.
Does that mean a touchscreen is a mechanical switch?
No as there is no mechanical movement just the capactive screen sensing your finger.
Topre vs MX is just like Filco vs ?? - cost justification becomes part of the equation.
Funny because noone argues about which Cherry MX switch is best. They will just all resort to "it's a matter of preference". But when it comes to MX vs. Topre it's like atheism vs theology.
He'll if you prefer rubberdome and its cost effectiveness, it's a matter of preference. There is no one better than the other.
Edit: I'm still yet to try Topre. However, it is impossible to know if you like something based on one day of usage. Different switches for different tasks is what I say.
Topre vs MX is just like Filco vs ?? - cost justification becomes part of the equation.
Which is why I said that cost effects preference. Even if you are preferring rubberdome because of it.
Funny because noone argues about which Cherry MX switch is best. They will just all resort to "it's a matter of preference". But when it comes to MX vs. Topre it's like atheism vs theology.
He'll if you prefer rubberdome and its cost effectiveness, it's a matter of preference. There is no one better than the other.
Edit: I'm still yet to try Topre. However, it is impossible to know if you like something based on one day of usage. Different switches for different tasks is what I say.
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
Guy 1: I don't like these Topre switches. They feel like rubber domes to me. They are overpriced rubber domes.
Guy 2: You haven't given them a chance!
Guy 1: I prefer MX switches.
Guy 2: But Topre are mechanical, too!
:D
It's okay. Some can like Topre. I like MX. We all enjoy the keyboard hobby. We have more in common than we have differences.
Funny because noone argues about which Cherry MX switch is best. They will just all resort to "it's a matter of preference". But when it comes to MX vs. Topre it's like atheism vs theology.
He'll if you prefer rubberdome and its cost effectiveness, it's a matter of preference. There is no one better than the other.
Edit: I'm still yet to try Topre. However, it is impossible to know if you like something based on one day of usage. Different switches for different tasks is what I say.
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
Guy 1: I don't like these Topre switches. They feel like rubber domes to me. They are overpriced rubber domes.
Guy 2: You haven't given them a chance!
Guy 1: I prefer MX switches.
Guy 2: But Topre are mechanical, too!
:D
It's okay. Some can like Topre. I like MX. We all enjoy the keyboard hobby. We have more in common than we have differences.
You left out something very important that I corrected for you. (See number 1 in quote).
Don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to be objective and give my two cents in a public thread. But the second you start passing judgement on someone's purchase, expect them to defend it harshly. There is a thin line between expressing your opinion and judging what someone seems worth it. And in the case of money, people WILL get offended. Especially if you are criticizing how they spend it.
:)
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
Funny because noone argues about which Cherry MX switch is best. They will just all resort to "it's a matter of preference". But when it comes to MX vs. Topre it's like atheism vs theology.
He'll if you prefer rubberdome and its cost effectiveness, it's a matter of preference. There is no one better than the other.
Edit: I'm still yet to try Topre. However, it is impossible to know if you like something based on one day of usage. Different switches for different tasks is what I say.
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
Guy 1: I don't like these Topre switches. They feel like rubber domes to me. They are overpriced rubber domes.
Guy 2: You haven't given them a chance!
Guy 1: I prefer MX switches.
Guy 2: But Topre are mechanical, too!
:D
It's okay. Some can like Topre. I like MX. We all enjoy the keyboard hobby. We have more in common than we have differences.
You left out something very important that I corrected for you. (See number 1 in quote).
Don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to be objective and give my two cents in a public thread. But the second you start passing judgement on someone's purchase, expect them to defend it harshly. There is a thin line between expressing your opinion and judging what someone seems worth it. And in the case of money, people WILL get offended. Especially if you are criticizing how they spend it.
:)
It feels nothing like the rubber domes I have access to. Yall be trippin. Just because the switch has rubber doesn't make it a RD (bomb cost of rubber dome keyboards is what... $2-3 dollars.) It's the Bently of keyboards - some people are just happy with their ol' Toyota.
It feels nothing like the rubber domes I have access to. Yall be trippin. Just because the switch has rubber doesn't make it a RD (bomb cost of rubber dome keyboards is what... $2-3 dollars.) It's the Bently of keyboards - some people are just happy with their ol' Toyota.
Proof that the marketing works. :)
Proof that the marketing works. :)
What marketing? You think Topre spends money on marketing? Is it the price you're referring to? If what you say has any basis at all, then if somebody gave me my 87u for free I'd be like screw that, MX is better.
Funny because noone argues about which Cherry MX switch is best. They will just all resort to "it's a matter of preference". But when it comes to MX vs. Topre it's like atheism vs theology.
He'll if you prefer rubberdome and its cost effectiveness, it's a matter of preference. There is no one better than the other.
Edit: I'm still yet to try Topre. However, it is impossible to know if you like something based on one day of usage. Different switches for different tasks is what I say.
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
Guy 1: I don't like these Topre switches. They feel like rubber domes to me. They are overpriced rubber domes.
Guy 2: You haven't given them a chance!
Guy 1: I prefer MX switches.
Guy 2: But Topre are mechanical, too!
:D
It's okay. Some can like Topre. I like MX. We all enjoy the keyboard hobby. We have more in common than we have differences.
You left out something very important that I corrected for you. (See number 1 in quote).
Don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to be objective and give my two cents in a public thread. But the second you start passing judgement on someone's purchase, expect them to defend it harshly. There is a thin line between expressing your opinion and judging what someone seems worth it. And in the case of money, people WILL get offended. Especially if you are criticizing how they spend it.
:)
Wait a sec. So are you saying, people who express their liking for Cherry MX switches are ok, but people who express their liking of Topre are "being religious"?
I'm not sure these are fair assessments here.
The difference is when Topre users express their opinion as fact. Just look at some of the comments after your post to see what I mean.
FWIW, I'm typing on a crappy rubber dome at the moment. Random offbrand Acer. :P
Funny because noone argues about which Cherry MX switch is best. They will just all resort to "it's a matter of preference". But when it comes to MX vs. Topre it's like atheism vs theology.
He'll if you prefer rubberdome and its cost effectiveness, it's a matter of preference. There is no one better than the other.
Edit: I'm still yet to try Topre. However, it is impossible to know if you like something based on one day of usage. Different switches for different tasks is what I say.
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
Guy 1: I don't like these Topre switches. They feel like rubber domes to me. They are overpriced rubber domes.
Guy 2: You haven't given them a chance!
Guy 1: I prefer MX switches.
Guy 2: But Topre are mechanical, too!
:D
It's okay. Some can like Topre. I like MX. We all enjoy the keyboard hobby. We have more in common than we have differences.
You left out something very important that I corrected for you. (See number 1 in quote).
Don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to be objective and give my two cents in a public thread. But the second you start passing judgement on someone's purchase, expect them to defend it harshly. There is a thin line between expressing your opinion and judging what someone seems worth it. And in the case of money, people WILL get offended. Especially if you are criticizing how they spend it.
:)
Wait a sec. So are you saying, people who express their liking for Cherry MX switches are ok, but people who express their liking of Topre are "being religious"?
I'm not sure these are fair assessments here.
The difference is when Topre users express their opinion as fact. Just look at some of the comments after your post to see what I mean.
If anyone compares Topre fans vs. Cherry MX fans, it's almost always Cherry fans dissing and/or talking down to Topre keyboards/fans, and rarely ever the other way around. This tells me this is an issue that lies with Cherry fans, but again, I'm done with it.
Wait.... so you're saying the sole thing that separates a mechanical switch from a non-mechanical is a plastic housing that isn't part of the larger board?
dafuq?
Jesus christ dude... did you even read the 3 components that I mentioned, or are you just picking out parts of my posts? LOL
Also, see my previous post to this.
Jesus christ dude... did you even read the 3 components that I mentioned, or are you just picking out parts of my posts? LOL
Also, see my previous post to this.
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
If anyone compares Topre fans vs. Cherry MX fans, it's almost always Cherry fans dissing and/or talking down to Topre keyboards/fans, and rarely ever the other way around. This tells me this is an issue that lies with Cherry fans, but again, I'm done with it.
You're one of the few Topre chiefs (not the only one geeze calm down) who talk about preference instead of saying "once you go Topre you never go back to white guys."
Being a white guy (racists) I cling to my more logical side to try and take the comment at a localized value. You feel white guys just don't do it for you anymore, and the Topre is what changed things. Changed things in a big way.
Why don't you love me?!?!
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
We wouldn't have to defend it if the people who try out Topre and don't like it wouldn't get all butt-hurt about it and attack it *cought*tp*cough* ;) I rarely see a Topre lover come down on Cherry, but I frequently see the opposite.
If anyone compares Topre fans vs. Cherry MX fans, it's almost always Cherry fans dissing and/or talking down to Topre keyboards/fans, and rarely ever the other way around. This tells me this is an issue that lies with Cherry fans, but again, I'm done with it.
You're one of the few Topre chiefs (not the only one geeze calm down) who talk about preference instead of saying "once you go Topre you never go back to white guys."
Being a white guy (racists) I cling to my more logical side to try and take the comment at a localized value. You feel white guys just don't do it for you anymore, and the Topre is what changed things. Changed things in a big way.
Why don't you love me?!?!
That's what it comes down to, isn't it? Cherry users ain't got love for themselves, so they lash out on Topre users.
You have to understand, when someone drops $300 on a keyboard, just to find out it feels the same (or close to the same, anyway) as the $10 rubber dome they threw out when they discovered MX boards, they have a tendency to react by posting "Topre sucks." It may be of far superior build quality, but they can't get past the emotional barrier of feeling ripped off by spending so much on something that has a typing feel of a rubber dome.
Topre lovers, OTOH, don't have a strong emotional negativity toward MX boards, because most have progressed from RD to MX to Topre. They realize that MX boards are of a high quality (the good ones, anyway), so they don't feel like posting "MX sucks" after finding they prefer Topre.
No one is saying that Topre users are somehow less intelligent or something than MX users. But when someone has the reaction that causes them to post "Topre sucks," Topre users naturally feel slighted and rush in to defend their favorite switch. Hence this thread.
So how do you propose we have a discussion about things as subjective as how typing on one keyboard compares to typing on another, and the emotional response people have to that feeling? It's an integral part of this discussion, but you can't exactly put numbers to it.
It sounds to me like you are trying to discount what I have said, by saying that I'm trying to pass off opinions as facts, simply because you don't agree with what I've said.
What I think most Topre guys have a problem with is when the people who don't like Topre try go influence others who haven't formed an opinion yet into disliking Topre or not trying it out and forming their own opinion.
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I ****ing love my Topre.
I ****ing love my Topre.
??? I hope you clean your keyboard often. That isn't good for the dome rubber ;) .
:confused: I hope you clean your keyboard often. That isn't good for the CUP rubber ;).
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
We wouldn't have to defend it if the people who try out Topre and don't like it wouldn't get all butt-hurt about it and attack it *cought*tp*cough* ;) I rarely see a Topre lover come down on Cherry, but I frequently see the opposite.
You have to understand, when someone drops $300 on a keyboard, just to find out it feels the same (or close to the same, anyway) as the $10 rubber dome they threw out when they discovered MX boards, they have a tendency to react by posting "Topre sucks." It may be of far superior build quality, but they can't get past the emotional barrier of feeling ripped off by spending so much on something that has a typing feel of a rubber dome.
Topre lovers, OTOH, don't have a strong emotional negativity toward MX boards, because most have progressed from RD to MX to Topre. They realize that MX boards are of a high quality (the good ones, anyway), so they don't feel like posting "MX sucks" after finding they prefer Topre.
No one is saying that Topre users are somehow less intelligent or something than MX users. But when someone has the reaction that causes them to post "Topre sucks," Topre users naturally feel slighted and rush in to defend their favorite switch. Hence this thread.
It's because the Topre crowd defend it like it's a religion or something.
We wouldn't have to defend it if the people who try out Topre and don't like it wouldn't get all butt-hurt about it and attack it *cought*tp*cough* ;) I rarely see a Topre lover come down on Cherry, but I frequently see the opposite.
You have to understand, when someone drops $300 on a keyboard, just to find out it feels the same (or close to the same, anyway) as the $10 rubber dome they threw out when they discovered MX boards, they have a tendency to react by posting "Topre sucks." It may be of far superior build quality, but they can't get past the emotional barrier of feeling ripped off by spending so much on something that has a typing feel of a rubber dome.
Topre lovers, OTOH, don't have a strong emotional negativity toward MX boards, because most have progressed from RD to MX to Topre. They realize that MX boards are of a high quality (the good ones, anyway), so they don't feel like posting "MX sucks" after finding they prefer Topre.
No one is saying that Topre users are somehow less intelligent or something than MX users. But when someone has the reaction that causes them to post "Topre sucks," Topre users naturally feel slighted and rush in to defend their favorite switch. Hence this thread.
Can I base a friggin religion off of you for this? THANK YOU lol
Feedback is important.
There is an entire study of "feedback loops" with each part making its own contribution to the whole.
I rarely see a Topre lover come down on Cherry, but I frequently see the opposite.
Being a white guy (racists)hey, i'm a racist too!
It really doesn't to me feel anything like the rubber domes at the office. Much different IMO.Which is precisely what matters. We're not keyboard enthusiasts because of the technology, we're keyboard enthusiasts because of the feel (and eventually the addiction.) Who gives a crap if a board is RD, scissor RD, capacitive, "mechanical," or anything else? It is all about how it feels.
Feedback is important.
There is an entire study of "feedback loops" with each part making its own contribution to the whole.
i feel like this is a big reason why unix is so daunting for a lot of people
I love it how Iri conveniently ignores the fact that there are springs underneath each rubber cone, which add a lot to the Topre feel. And is what differentiates it from typical rubber domes.
Don't Cherry MX switches have springs, too?
I ****ing love my Topre.
I love it how Iri conveniently ignores the fact that there are springs underneath each rubber cone, which add a lot to the Topre feel.5gf springs add a lot to topre feel? surely that's news to me.
and the feel when it bottoms out...what's so special about it? i wish it was as smooth as my microsoft-whatever membrane keyboard's.
i can't wait to the moment when people start using the word MEMBRANE to distinguish conventional rubber dome keyboards from capacitive rubber dome topre.I love it how Iri conveniently ignores the fact that there are springs underneath each rubber cone, which add a lot to the Topre feel.5gf springs add a lot to topre feel? surely that's news to me.and the feel when it bottoms out...what's so special about it? i wish it was as smooth as my microsoft-whatever membrane keyboard's.
So are you telling me, what I'm experiencing and feeling with my Topre board is not really what I'm experiencing and feeling?no.
So are you telling me, what I'm experiencing and feeling with my Topre board is not really what I'm experiencing and feeling? Give me a break. The spring makes a difference in the feel. You say the spring is 5g? That's not nothing. That's the weight of a nickel. Nickels aren't weightless.sure not weightless. but the springs are 9 times lighter than domes in my keyboard and 11 times lighter than domes in 55g. and i honestly can't feel them.
Your posts amount to nothing than trying to change other people's opinions into disliking Topre.could you please give me a quote of my posts which could make anyone dislike topre?
You essentially told an entire group of Topre users, who say they believe Topres feel nothing like a rubber dome, that they are wrong to believe so, and that they should still see them as rubber domes.let's put my feelings aside. could you please logically explain me, how can topres, which are rubber dome keyboards, feel nothing like rubber dome keyboards? i heard your argument about the spring which "add a lot to feel", but again, i can't logically understand how the 10% of resistance they add (in case of my keyboard) is "a lot to the feel".
Your posts amount to nothing than trying to change other people's opinions into disliking Topre.could you please give me a quote of my posts which could make anyone dislike topre?
i see many people here having problems with topre being rubber dome and saying something like "it feels nothing like a rubber dome". bad news for you guys: it feels like a rubber dome. it is a rubber dome.
You essentially told an entire group of Topre users, who say they believe Topres feel nothing like a rubber dome, that they are wrong to believe so, and that they should still see them as rubber domes.let's put my feelings aside. could you please logically explain me, how can topres, which are rubber dome keyboards, feel nothing like rubber dome keyboards? i heard your argument about the spring which "add a lot to feel", but again, i can't logically understand how the 10% of resistance they add (in case of my keyboard) is "a lot to the feel".
and the feel when it bottoms out...what's so special about it? i wish it was as smooth as my microsoft-whatever membrane keyboard's.
I ****ing love my Topre.
I ****ing love my Topre.
It's ok if you don't. But I ****ing love it.
I'm just saying, I ****ing love my Topre.
I'm just saying, I really ****ing love my Topre.
I ****ing love my Topre.
Again, you don't have to like it. But I ****ing love it.
And that's why I ****ing love Topre.
You don't have to like Topre. But I ****ing love my Topre.
Like I said, you don't have to like Topre. But I ****ing love my Topre.
You're saying your MS keyboard feel better when you bottom? Obviously personal preference but Topres have a firm but not a harsh feeling when they bottom vs. a soft and mushy feeling on more normal rubber domes...not necessarily. i tried a colleague's compaq keyboard and it has almost the same landing feel as topre. my microsoft keyboard has a softer bottom out feel. and it sure feels better. i'd trade soft bottoming for those capacitive switches. i don't need them anyway as i always bottom out.
On the flipside, Cherry MX feel far more scratchy..I like Cherry boards as well..they feel very solid but people lube switches to get them to feel smoother...they do it because it feels better.completely agreed.
I think when people first use Topre..their first reaction is...This feels more like my rubber dome keyboards than my Cherry Boards...and immediately feel that means it somehow is inferior.why necessarily inferior? rubber domes have one advantage over mechanical switch: they are smooth. butter smooth. i feel that's superior. some people may not like the tactility of rubber domes though.
You're saying your MS keyboard feel better when you bottom? Obviously personal preference but Topres have a firm but not a harsh feeling when they bottom vs. a soft and mushy feeling on more normal rubber domes...not necessarily. i tried a colleague's compaq keyboard and it has almost the same landing feel as topre. my microsoft keyboard has a softer bottom out feel. and it sure feels better. i'd trade soft bottoming for those capacitive switches. i don't need them anyway as i always bottom out.
I'm not saying it is inferior...I'm saying people who first try Topre and dislike it tend to dislike it because they associate the feeling with rubber dome..and to them rubber dome = inferior...or cheap. "I can get the same keyboard for 10 dollars". In reality, you can't...You can get a rubber dome keyboard that will have some characteristics of Topre for 10 dollars..but it is not the same..Just because Cherry feels significantly different from rubber dome doesn't mean it is the only thing worth buying...I think when people first use Topre..their first reaction is...This feels more like my rubber dome keyboards than my Cherry Boards...and immediately feel that means it somehow is inferior.why necessarily inferior? rubber domes have one advantage over mechanical switch: they are smooth. butter smooth. i feel that's superior. some people may not like the tactility of rubber domes though.
I'm not saying it is inferior...I'm saying people who first try Topre and dislike it tend to dislike it because they associate the feeling with rubber dome..and to them rubber dome = inferior...or cheap. "I can get the same keyboard for 10 dollars". In reality, you can't...You can get a rubber dome keyboard that will have some characteristics of Topre for 10 dollars..but it is not the same.people have to realize that rubber domes go from $5 to $800 and that absolutely means they are very different.
No, listen. It's all subjective. If you don't feel like the spring adds a lot to the feel, then it doesn't, for you. But to me, it does.
could you please give me a quote of my posts which could make anyone dislike topre?
for blind religious fanatics i'll repeat that i like the board besides bottom out feel. and i think i can help that issue.
still it won't help my finger ache =(for blind religious fanatics i'll repeat that i like the board besides bottom out feel. and i think i can help that issue.
"I ****ing love my Topre." That is the mantra. Keep repeating it, silently or aloud, while using the keyboard. Eventually, it will become as truth to you.
I love it how Iri conveniently ignores the fact that there are springs underneath each rubber cone, which add a lot to the Topre feel. And is what differentiates it from typical rubber domes.
Don't Cherry MX switches have springs, too?
I ****ing love my Topre.
jdcarpe really knew what he was talking about...I ****ing love my Topre.I ****ing love my Topre.It's ok if you don't. But I ****ing love it.I'm just saying, I ****ing love my Topre.I'm just saying, I really ****ing love my Topre.I ****ing love my Topre.Again, you don't have to like it. But I ****ing love it.And that's why I ****ing love Topre.You don't have to like Topre. But I ****ing love my Topre.Like I said, you don't have to like Topre. But I ****ing love my Topre.
I have a serious question about Topre switches, that maybe someone here can answer. I know the mechanism for actuation is capacitive, but what causes the capacitance? The metal spring coming in close proximity to the pad?
Also, a related question, is it possible, while typing normally, to actuate the switch without bottoming out? I never could achieve that with my Topre boards, I was just wondering if it was possible.
I have a serious question about Topre switches, that maybe someone here can answer. I know the mechanism for actuation is capacitive, but what causes the capacitance? The metal spring coming in close proximity to the pad?
I ****ing love my Topre.
Topre = Rubber Cup, not a rubber dome :)
Wow... just caught up. People in here are getting way too uppity. Some like Topre (like me), some don't. Whatever.
For me, I love the combination of high quality rubber dome over a steel plate/PCB, which most keyboards that we label "rubber dome" don't have. Those are usually rubber dome over plastic membranes. Much more of a mushy feel. Some prefer that, most don't.
And there are some RD over membrane boards that feel crisp and buttery smooth. Probably my favorite was this bad boy right here:Show Image(http://codinghorror.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128776fcf06970c-pi)
That had a firm bottom-out feel due to the caps hitting the plastic base. Great board there, lasted me many years before I found mechanicals.
People are so touchy... it's obvious that iri isn't that big a fan of the bottom out feel of Topres, and that's fine. He doesn't have to. Nobody has to. I enjoy my Topre switch boards, and I don't have to tell myself that I do in order to "justify" it. I spent a lot on them, and I don't regret the purchase. There are those who might. And that's ok too. At the end of the day, we're all just fans of fine typing devices here, right?
How was I being uppity? I was just saying, I ****ing love my Topre.
Dome, sorry they're identical with the exception of actuation distance...
You're having a disagreement with tp and trying to use words and pictures to show him that he's wrong. You'd have better luck convincing the bro bot in your avatar that it was a new girldc Gundam cap...
For me, I love the combination of high quality rubber dome over a steel plate/PCBhmm, don't you like hhkb more than realforce?
Also, a related question, is it possible, while typing normally, to actuate the switch without bottoming out?i asked the same question here once, and got a reply "no, that's not possible, but that's okay, as bottoming out on topre is nice".
hmm, don't you like hhkb more than realforce?
i can't wait to the moment when people start using the word MEMBRANE to distinguish conventional rubber dome keyboards from capacitive rubber dome topre.
yes, topre is rubber CUP. it feels nice. use it if you like it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ftfyftfm (fixed that for you fixing that for me).yes, topre is CUP rubber. it feels nice. use it if you like it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
FTFY
-Oneness with cup rubber