Just wondering why it's not popular amongst geekhack?
- Short travel -> Bottoming out
- Just one variant (light tactile)
- Not many keyboard available
- PCB mount only
- No "custom" key-caps available
- Hitting em off-center can cause sticking
- Short travel -> Bottoming out
- Just one variant (light tactile)
- Not many keyboard available
- PCB mount only
- No "custom" key-caps available
- Hitting em off-center can cause sticking
Signature Plastics makes keycaps for ML switches.
Small amounts of lube makes this board immensely better. Less scratchy, no sticking.
These are just essentially short-throw MX browns.
But where are the ML BroCaps? ;P
How about going in an opposite direction - has anyone made a fullsize ML board with ANSI layout?That could be interesting too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cherry-Slimline-Keyboard-83-Keys-USBPS2-Grey-G844100-/380553840843
knock yourself out.
This is a video of Cherry ML's, not exactly the same one as the one in the Ebay link, but similar....
It actually does sound like a poor man's Topre.
But where are the ML BroCaps? ;P
On the contrary, if you do a search on some old posts or been here long enough, you'll see that it is quite a popular switch. Perhaps just not that many people have a chance to try it out. I love mine so I bought 2! lol
Here's one of them next to a Ducky.Show Image(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/DSC04895.jpg)
But I think I'm gonna give it a shot, and nice desk setup reaper !!!
Well I love the ML switches.nice, i haven't seen a lot of lighter colored spaus. mine's black on grey.
Here is my G84-4101SPAUS:Show Image(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/keyboardpics2-20-13008.jpg)
Bro Caps is right about the lube. IMO, ML switches really do need lube, whereas, MX really do not (although is certainly doesn't hurt).
So if I get this board and lube it, does that require removal of the switches from the PCB? Curious about the feel of these "lubed short-throw cherry browns" but don't wanna get into soldering and all that. Can you just dab it (silicon grease) in there with a q-tip?
oh and hyde i dont know if it would be worth it but i have at least one ML board i'd be willing to sell you. shipping to canada would probably be around 20-30 though.
oh and hyde i dont know if it would be worth it but i have at least one ML board i'd be willing to sell you. shipping to canada would probably be around 20-30 though.
Thanks dude I'll keep that in mind. I realize the ebay link posted only ship to the states. However Halverson said he got his for $16 (He also lives in Canada) so I'll ask him to see what's up then get back to you :P
I just replied, I used a friend as a proxy who has multiple things for me. So shipping will be more, but for multiple things!
I have two ML boards. I think they are terrible. No surprise to me that they don't get any love. They have shorter travel then MX, they aren't nearly as smooth, and they don't have the flexibility for tactility/clicky/weight. I think they are workable but I can't see enthusiasts getting behind them.
- Short travel -> Bottoming out
- Just one variant (light tactile)
- Not many keyboard available
- PCB mount only
- No "custom" key-caps available
- Hitting em off-center can cause sticking
I used the G84-4100 for 10 years, maybe more. They had printed legends and after a while they started to fade out. Then I got some with laser etched keycaps, which are very nice. You can find sublimated caps, last year were lots of them on eBay. I have now 6 of them, but didn't use them in the last year, after I switched to Cherry and model f. I think that lubrication does increase the quality of typing, I might do it to see how it feels.
Cherry MY feels to me exactly as someone once put it: "typing on wet newspapers." Yuck.
Cherry MY feels to me exactly as someone once put it: "typing on wet newspapers." Yuck.
In the history of Geekhack/Deskthority - has there been a member who liked MY's?
I have the equivalent of the 4400 on my rack-mount KVM and I can tell you that the trackball is 100% ****. If you get it don't expect to use it.
It seems to be very hard to find keycaps for ML. Signature Plastics might have some, but they were too expensive, iirc. In the end, I preferred to buy a new keyboard with laser etched caps, which were very resistant, compared to the printed ones.I used the G84-4100 for 10 years, maybe more. They had printed legends and after a while they started to fade out. Then I got some with laser etched keycaps, which are very nice. You can find sublimated caps, last year were lots of them on eBay. I have now 6 of them, but didn't use them in the last year, after I switched to Cherry and model f. I think that lubrication does increase the quality of typing, I might do it to see how it feels.
Where to get the keycaps, any tips, search terms, models?
It seems to be very hard to find keycaps for ML. Signature Plastics might have some, but they were too expensive, iirc. In the end, I preferred to buy a new keyboard with laser etched caps, which were very resistant, compared to the printed ones.I used the G84-4100 for 10 years, maybe more. They had printed legends and after a while they started to fade out. Then I got some with laser etched keycaps, which are very nice. You can find sublimated caps, last year were lots of them on eBay. I have now 6 of them, but didn't use them in the last year, after I switched to Cherry and model f. I think that lubrication does increase the quality of typing, I might do it to see how it feels.
Where to get the keycaps, any tips, search terms, models?
There are other keyboards which use ML switches, and they could be used as donors, e.g. https://plus.google.com/photos/113845661925823397356/albums/5600865859261069921?banner=pwa&sqi&sqsi.
I saw a laptop with ML switches, but I don't recall what model was.
Hey so that ebay link is a decent keyboard to try out ML switches? Is the keyboard any good? When I see $15 price, it reminds me of shhitty rubber domes. I'm must about over the price shock of $100+ mx keyboards.The same keyboard lists in the $60-70 range.
Hey so that ebay link is a decent keyboard to try out ML switches? Is the keyboard any good? When I see $15 price, it reminds me of shhitty rubber domes. I'm must about over the price shock of $100+ mx keyboards.The same keyboard lists in the $60-70 range.
They are better than rubber dome but one thing you may not realize is that they are a 9/10ths keyboard. The layout is compact, but in addition the keys are smaller than usual and are therefore smooshed closer together. It feels very cramped at first. Similar to Netbooks.
well i liked it..and i really did not think i would, got 2 of them for cheap on ebay, maybe i got a good one idk. i think they are a mix between low travel mx blacks/clears. also if anyone is interested i am looking at putting in a metal backplate and doing a sort of bolt mod to improve sturdyness and typing feel
well i liked it..and i really did not think i would, got 2 of them for cheap on ebay, maybe i got a good one idk. i think they are a mix between low travel mx blacks/clears. also if anyone is interested i am looking at putting in a metal backplate and doing a sort of bolt mod to improve sturdyness and typing feel
Copy you how?
And yes i think a few treaks would vastly improve it
and yes i will document it, going to get a plan together then put up a thread
That eBay seller is probably wondering why they had an influx of orders all at one time. :)
Did anyone get this from that guy yet? I ordered one just to try out, haven't gotten it yet.
So if I get this board and lube it, does that require removal of the switches from the PCB? Curious about the feel of these "lubed short-throw cherry browns" but don't wanna get into soldering and all that. Can you just dab it (silicon grease) in there with a q-tip?
Desoldering is not required to pop off the switch tops:Show Image(http://www.conrad-uk.com/medias/global/ce/7000_7999/7000/7060/7062/706297_BB_00_FB.EPS_1000.jpg)
I got this yesterday. Honestly, it's meh. Someone referred to this as "typing on wet newspaper" and I agree.
I wasn't expecting anything but it was rather disappointing. I'll just keep this as a a back up emergency keyboard.
I got this yesterday. Honestly, it's meh. Someone referred to this as "typing on wet newspaper" and I agree.
I wasn't expecting anything but it was rather disappointing. I'll just keep this as a a back up emergency keyboard.
I'm no expert in this but I'm guessing the skinnier area (top middle) is the "slider" and the fatter area (bottom square) are the housing. So I'd assume you just lube the exposed area of the slider?
Any expert here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
If anyone can provide a lubing guide that would be great !!!
I LIKED ML BEFORE IT WAS COOL
neither are those sunglassesI LIKED ML BEFORE IT WAS COOL
it still isn't cool :cool:
I'm no expert in this but I'm guessing the skinnier area (top middle) is the "slider" and the fatter area (bottom square) are the housing. So I'd assume you just lube the exposed area of the slider?
Any expert here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Im trying that right now. Honestly I dont think its making much of a difference at all. As far as technique I think you are right though.
I'm no expert in this but I'm guessing the skinnier area (top middle) is the "slider" and the fatter area (bottom square) are the housing. So I'd assume you just lube the exposed area of the slider?
Any expert here feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Im trying that right now. Honestly I dont think its making much of a difference at all. As far as technique I think you are right though.
So my ghetto lube method doesn't work eh? I guess you have to do it properly and open it up :(
These guys have hundreds of G84 parts, just check their items for sale: http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-CHERRY-G84-4137TAAIT-KEYBOARDS-/281064559680?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item4170c0d440.I used the G84-4100 for 10 years, maybe more. They had printed legends and after a while they started to fade out. Then I got some with laser etched keycaps, which are very nice. You can find sublimated caps, last year were lots of them on eBay. I have now 6 of them, but didn't use them in the last year, after I switched to Cherry and model f. I think that lubrication does increase the quality of typing, I might do it to see how it feels.
Where to get the keycaps, any tips, search terms, models?
well I got mine in. I must say, I really like the feel of these switches. Makes me more interested in getting my hands on a Topre short throw. Although the lack of a Windows key is really a PITA on Windows 8 :( And totally right about the lube. These things feel dry as hell.
Some full size keyboards with ML switches:I used the G84-4100 for 10 years, maybe more. They had printed legends and after a while they started to fade out. Then I got some with laser etched keycaps, which are very nice. You can find sublimated caps, last year were lots of them on eBay. I have now 6 of them, but didn't use them in the last year, after I switched to Cherry and model f. I think that lubrication does increase the quality of typing, I might do it to see how it feels.
Where to get the keycaps, any tips, search terms, models?
Comming from reds and browns, the G84 is to heavy.
btw Hyde, I think the Artisan Zero mousepad is very good and you should try it out.
Some of you have compared the ML switch to MX ergo-clears...I'm going to order one now :)
Some of you have compared the ML switch to MX ergo-clears...I'm going to order one now :)
It's a trap!
The actuation force is the same with MX brown and ML. I think both are 45 cN.
Think they are Doubleshots
Think they are Doubleshots
They're ABS caps and the legends are just printed on there. I wish they were doubleshots.
You seem to be very knowledgeable with all of this. Is there anywhere one could get replacement ML keycaps?
Think they are Doubleshots
They're ABS caps and the legends are just printed on there. I wish they were doubleshots.
how do they feel vs the other switch types?
They feel like browns or clears but the bump is more pernounced or stiff. It bottoms out very quick. Check out some pics if you can.
www.ebay.com/itm/Cherry-Slimline-Keyboard-83-Keys-USB-PS2-Grey-G84-4100-/380553840843?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item589ac6c8cb
Is this the one every got off of Ebay? I just got this one in yesterday. It is interesting and cheap but on mine you can see on every key where they were cut from molding is this normal?
I received mine today and used it at work for a few hours. At first I thought the compact format would take some time getting used to, but I was typing normally within an hour. The ML switch doesn't feel too much different than MX browns. I really like it and I haven't experienced any problems the off-center keypresses some have noted. For $16 and free shipping, this thing is a no-brainer for anyone who likes MX brown switches. The small form-factor is really nice for cramped deskspaces -- more so than I thought it would be. I'm thinking about lubing the switches, but someone mentioned that they feel completely like browns afterwards.
So..no one else feels an increase of like 800% of the force needed to press the keys at their corners?
So..no one else feels an increase of like 800% of the force needed to press the keys at their corners?
Nope not really. I think if you wear it in, the key travel gets lighter. Just my opinion, can't speak for others.
So..no one else feels an increase of like 800% of the force needed to press the keys at their corners?
Nope not really. I think if you wear it in, the key travel gets lighter. Just my opinion, can't speak for others.
I'm tempted to bring mine into work and use a compression tester to determine the exact amounts of force needed to press the keys in different spots :P
In my previous post to this thread, I replied that I couldn't get used to it. But I took it out again, after seeing how lonely it looked in the corner of my room. And guess what? I started to warm up to it. And after a couple hours, I'm loving it.
It feels great, sort of like browns but a little stiffer, maybe because it's not lubed. But anyway, it's a nice little change from the norm. And it takes up wayyyyy less space, which is quite nice also.
Overall, I'm liking it more and more. And for $15 bucks, this is a steal!
I highly recommend this board now.
I think I'll get another one for my office.
Mine feels like sandpaper, I guess I need to lube... but not sure it's worth the trouble since I'm not huge on the layout. But the size is nice! :)
How do I lube Cherry ML?
How do I lube Cherry ML?
How do I lube Cherry ML?
I think this user is from Geek Hack...he just uploaded a nice video review and instructions on how to lube...
So..no one else feels an increase of like 800% of the force needed to press the keys at their corners?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cherry-Slimline-Keyboard-83-Keys-USBPS2-Grey-G844100-/380553840843
^ "More than 10 available / 165 sold"
Did this person hijack a shipment?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cherry-Slimline-Keyboard-83-Keys-USBPS2-Grey-G844100-/380553840843
^ "More than 10 available / 165 sold"
Did this person hijack a shipment?
Free shipping for US
$30 for Canada =_=
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cherry-Slimline-Keyboard-83-Keys-USBPS2-Grey-G844100-/380553840843
^ "More than 10 available / 165 sold"
Did this person hijack a shipment?
Free shipping for US
$30 for Canada =_=
NOW they ship international? Really? When I bought it they only ship to US and now I have to wait forever for my friend to proxy it to me. If only I waited I probably would've got it sooner =______=
<-- Still waiting on my US friend to ship me the keyboard, sighhhhhhh
So..no one else feels an increase of like 800% of the force needed to press the keys at their corners?