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Title: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: nsrexler on Fri, 22 February 2013, 09:34:38
I want a board with MX Clears, so I'm thinking of getting the Ducky Shine II with Clears from PCHome. However, I would be replacing the keycaps with non-backlit PBT keycaps from Mechanicalkeyboards.com because (a) I want PBT and (b) I don't want the Chinese key legends.
My question, for Ducky Shine II owners: can the backlighting be turned off entirely? If so, does Caps Lock (and Num/Scroll lock) still light up when activated, as with a normal (non-backlit) keyboard?

On a side note, would it be worth just forgetting the Shine entirely and waiting for Ducky's new dyesub PBT boards to come out? How long do you think it will take before those are released to distributors?
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 22 February 2013, 09:48:32
NEVER WAIT for a keyboard to COME OUT...

That is the biggest waste of time ever....


Say you get a board TODAY for $100

3 months pass

A new board you want comes out @ $150

You sell your current board for $70 shipped, so, ~$40 less value total. due to shipping

You buy the new board for $150..


In total you've paid $150 for the new board + $40 for the 3 months that you used your old board..

@ $190 for having something TODAY.... is much more worth it than the wait time....


Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 22 February 2013, 09:49:52
Chances are, you can make more money, but you can't get TIME BACK on this earth to enjoy things... :D
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: nsrexler on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:09:25
That's a very good point, but it doesn't really answer my question about the backlighting  :)
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:17:40
That's a very good point, but it doesn't really answer my question about the backlighting  :)

Well with backlit, ducky is the only game in town that's deemed "reliable"

So, there's nothing to "look into" because you don't have much of a choice..

If you want backlit, you have to get ducky

DO NOT buy a VORTEX.... so many people here got burned by little quality issues here/there
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: nsrexler on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:21:57
Well with backlit, ducky is the only game in town that's deemed "reliable"

So I've heard, but I had a specific question about the backlighting for people who own this board, since I would essentially be using it as a non-backlit board.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:23:55
Well with backlit, ducky is the only game in town that's deemed "reliable"

So I've heard, but I had a specific question about the backlighting for people who own this board, since I would essentially be using it as a non-backlit board.

//facepalm

 :)) dude, read that back to yourself. :))
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:27:56
Well with backlit, ducky is the only game in town that's deemed "reliable"

So I've heard, but I had a specific question about the backlighting for people who own this board, since I would essentially be using it as a non-backlit board.

//facepalm

 :)) dude, read that back to yourself. :))

I think non-transparent keys look nice on a backlit keyboard. Just look at all those KMACs with LEDs.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:32:14
Well with backlit, ducky is the only game in town that's deemed "reliable"

So I've heard, but I had a specific question about the backlighting for people who own this board, since I would essentially be using it as a non-backlit board.

//facepalm

 :)) dude, read that back to yourself. :))

I think non-transparent keys look nice on a backlit keyboard. Just look at all those KMACs with LEDs.

he's not buying a kmac..
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:34:34
Well with backlit, ducky is the only game in town that's deemed "reliable"

So I've heard, but I had a specific question about the backlighting for people who own this board, since I would essentially be using it as a non-backlit board.

//facepalm

 :)) dude, read that back to yourself. :))

I think non-transparent keys look nice on a backlit keyboard. Just look at all those KMACs with LEDs.

he's not buying a kmac..

It doesn't have to be a KMAC to be backlit with non-transparent keys...or would that be breaking some kind of elitist rule?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: nsrexler on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:37:10
tp4tissue, did you read my original post?
The reason why I would be using a backlit board as a non-backlit board is because it's the only (reasonable) option right now with MX Clear switches. I was asking if the backlight could be turned off completely, except for the Caps/Num/Scroll lock keys.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: jabar on Fri, 22 February 2013, 10:57:23
Yes the backlight can be completely turned off (and Shine IIs will store the LED state between reboots). I am not sure if Caps/Scroll/Num locks are affected the same.

MX Clears Shine IIs should be arriving at MechanicalKeyboards.com "soon", so even if you ordered from Asia now your keyboard might come in the same time they become available stateside.

There really isn't a reason to own a Shine II without wanting to use the backlight.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: nsrexler on Fri, 22 February 2013, 14:24:41
I sent MechanicalKeyboards.com an email and they answered my question, the Lock keys DO light up when the backlighting is turned off.
Posting it here in case anybody else was wondering.

I'm still not sure if I want to buy it from PCHome or just wait until MK gets it in stock, but this definitely helps me out.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: volatilecoffee on Fri, 22 February 2013, 14:30:39
I sent MechanicalKeyboards.com an email and they answered my question, the Lock keys DO light up when the backlighting is turned off.
Posting it here in case anybody else was wondering.

I'm still not sure if I want to buy it from PCHome or just wait until MK gets it in stock, but this definitely helps me out.

it is only a few dollars more to get from pchome
it is cheaper to get the full size from pchome though
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: nsrexler on Fri, 22 February 2013, 14:34:36
it is only a few dollars more to get from pchome
it is cheaper to get the full size from pchome though

Yeah, but I'd also have to deal with the Chinese legends until Ducky's dyesub PBT keycap sets come out. Not a big deal, but slightly annoying to me. I wish I had a better idea of when MK will get the US version in stock, other than just "soon".
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: volatilecoffee on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:17:06
it is only a few dollars more to get from pchome
it is cheaper to get the full size from pchome though

Yeah, but I'd also have to deal with the Chinese legends until Ducky's dyesub PBT keycap sets come out. Not a big deal, but slightly annoying to me. I wish I had a better idea of when MK will get the US version in stock, other than just "soon".

I got mine from pchome and it doesn't have Chinese anything ALL english
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: nsrexler on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:26:02
I got mine from pchome and it doesn't have Chinese anything ALL english

Really?
http://global.pchome.com.tw/english/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH0X-A73194853&SR_NO=SBAE0W&ROWNO=81&tm=e (http://global.pchome.com.tw/english/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH0X-A73194853&SR_NO=SBAE0W&ROWNO=81&tm=e)
The dropdown selection only has "Chinese" and the picture shows Chinese legends. Did the one you order a "Chinese" one or was there a selection for a different layout?
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: volatilecoffee on Fri, 22 February 2013, 18:37:02
I am sorry guy, I guess it isn't an option
I got this one http://global.pchome.com.tw/english/DCAH0X-A68429463
I just assumed since they had browns with english only they would have whites :P
sorry again
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Sun, 24 February 2013, 04:30:35
I finally find a site that has the Ducky Shine TKL I want in stock and it has Chinese characters on the keys... -.-
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: volatilecoffee on Sun, 24 February 2013, 08:05:57
I finally find a site that has the Ducky Shine TKL I want in stock and it has Chinese characters on the keys... -.-

Congrats! Order it now, ORDER IT WITH ALL YOUR HEART!
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Sun, 24 February 2013, 17:28:19
I finally find a site that has the Ducky Shine TKL I want in stock and it has Chinese characters on the keys... -.-

Congrats! Order it now, ORDER IT WITH ALL YOUR HEART!
I would if I knew where to get ENGLISH Key caps to replace them with
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: volatilecoffee on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:32:39
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=228

http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=229

http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=227

Dammit mechanicalkeyboards.com needs to step it up, friggin always out of stock
Go ask people in the classifieds for black ducky shine keycaps, I am sure someone will sell them to you
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Sun, 24 February 2013, 18:43:36
Ok so they to sell sets of ENGLISH Shine II caps. But yeah mechanicalkeyboards.com have almost nothing in stock it seems. :/
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: jabar on Sun, 24 February 2013, 19:40:09
Dammit mechanicalkeyboards.com needs to step it up, friggin always out of stock
Go ask people in the classifieds for black ducky shine keycaps, I am sure someone will sell them to you
MechanicalKeyboards tells us the lack of stock is from Ducky's end, that they buy out their stock with every order. We won't ever be sure if that's 100% true but that's how it's spun.

I sure hope the new White and Pink backlit keysets and the new dyesubbed thick PBT keysets/boards make their way over here and in significant quantities.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: Jocelyn on Sun, 24 February 2013, 19:47:18
I sure hope the new White and Pink backlit keysets and the new dyesubbed thick PBT keysets/boards make their way over here and in significant quantities.

You mean the one with Water transfer printing keycaps? I love how that process works and I really hope they release a TKL version :)
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Sun, 24 February 2013, 19:51:37
I really want brown switches on my 9087 But theyre OOS.

Think I should get the one with blue switches?

Not sure I'd want my keyboard to be clicking all the time though.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: jabar on Sun, 24 February 2013, 21:04:19
I really want brown switches on my 9087 But theyre OOS.

Think I should get the one with blue switches?

Not sure I'd want my keyboard to be clicking all the time though.
Blue gives a bright and crispy click. It's the loudest of Cherry MX. If you play video games it will noticeably click unless you wear headphones.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: Tempest790 on Sun, 24 February 2013, 23:20:43
I must have just got my gray shine cap order in before they sold out. That was fast!
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: volatilecoffee on Mon, 25 February 2013, 00:42:18
I really want brown switches on my 9087 But theyre OOS.

Think I should get the one with blue switches?

Not sure I'd want my keyboard to be clicking all the time though.

browns are in stock at pc home
I have brown switch shine II with magenta backlit
what do you want, I can find it for you and link it
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 25 February 2013, 01:16:07
quick question,

may I know what keycaps that comes with the ducky shine 2 ?
as in those that came together in box.
Thanks :D
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 01:18:40

browns are in stock at pc home
I have brown switch shine II with magenta backlit
what do you want, I can find it for you and link it

PChome has them but only with Chinese Character keys.
I just got a 9087 Red LED with MX Blues and a Universal plate that will let me open the switches so as to be able to swap between them.
Ergo Clears Anyone?
Title: Re: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 25 February 2013, 01:39:58
PChome has them but only with Chinese Character keys.
I just got a 9087 Red LED with MX Blues and a Universal plate that will let me open the switches so as to be able to swap between them.
Ergo Clears Anyone?

Where did you get a universal plate? GB or do some models come with one?

Edit - And what about the LEDs?
Title: Re: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 02:07:21
PChome has them but only with Chinese Character keys.
I just got a 9087 Red LED with MX Blues and a Universal plate that will let me open the switches so as to be able to swap between them.
Ergo Clears Anyone?

Where did you get a universal plate? GB or do some models come with one?

Edit - And what about the LEDs?

The Universal plate is from an old group buy
and what do you mean what about the LEDs?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 25 February 2013, 02:14:28

The Universal plate is from an old group buy
and what do you mean what about the LEDs?

I meant "what about the LEDs" if it came with a stock universal plate, lol sorry. Anyway, Thank You for the Plate info. I'll have to keep an eye out for one :)
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 25 February 2013, 02:15:31
He just bought the universal TKL plate that I designed. They were extras from the GB:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36907.0
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 25 February 2013, 02:21:46
I've only recently gotten into TKL (received my QFR on Saturday), so I'm not really up on everything.
Thanks for the link WFD
Title: Re: Re: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 02:38:30

I meant "what about the LEDs" if it came with a stock universal plate, lol sorry. Anyway, Thank You for the Plate info. I'll have to keep an eye out for one :)
I got a Red LED Shine II and will be desoldering all the LEDs and switches to replaces the stock plate with the Universal plate I got from WhiteFireDragon.
 
Now I need to Save up and buy a MS brown keyboard or find a source for MX brown or better yet clear switches.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 25 February 2013, 03:08:53
I got a Red LED Shine II and will be desoldering all the LEDs and switches to replaces the stock plate with the Universal plate I got from WhiteFireDragon.
 
Now I need to Save up and buy a MS brown keyboard or find a source for MX brown or better yet clear switches.

Not sure if they're real and the seller only has a few reviews, but I felt it was worth the risk at this price and ordered a bunch through my agent (Bhiner.com) - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16325106137&spm=2014.12478257.0.0
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 03:39:39
Wait... 1cent switches? 0.o What was shipping?
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: Jocelyn on Mon, 25 February 2013, 03:54:00
~17 cents each (+5% service fee) and shipping will be ~$5 for the first 100g and ~$2.50 for each additional 100g using registered HK air mail small packet (takes ~7 days).
I don't even care if they wind up being crappy or used as I'm only really interested in the stems, but I hope they're not fake and cheap lol. FWIW, I only bought 100 and it looks like there are ~80K available.

Credit goes to nubbinator from OCN
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 04:07:31
Be sure to tell me if it's trustworthy! xD
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 25 February 2013, 04:57:46
may I know what keycaps that comes with the ducky shine 2 ?
as in those that came together in box.
Thanks
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 05:00:41
may I know what keycaps that comes with the ducky shine 2 ?
as in those that came together in box.
Thanks

Doesnt your Signature say you have one?
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 25 February 2013, 06:08:40
~17 cents each (+5% service fee) and shipping will be ~$5 for the first 100g and ~$2.50 for each additional 100g using registered HK air mail small packet (takes ~7 days).
I don't even care if they wind up being crappy or used as I'm only really interested in the stems, but I hope they're not fake and cheap lol. FWIW, I only bought 100 and it looks like there are ~80K available.

Credit goes to nubbinator from OCN

What if they turn out to be "knockoffs" :D
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 25 February 2013, 09:49:56
may I know what keycaps that comes with the ducky shine 2 ?
as in those that came together in box.
Thanks

Doesnt your Signature say you have one?

it does. i'm new and i'm not sure what keycaps are those.
i've tried checking on their website.
they didn't really state :(
sorry  :(
just thought if anyone knows
Title: Re: Re: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: laffindude on Mon, 25 February 2013, 10:10:49
Not sure if they're real and the seller only has a few reviews, but I felt it was worth the risk at this price and ordered a bunch through my agent (Bhiner.com) - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16325106137&spm=2014.12478257.0.0
I wonder why they're marked as used.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 25 February 2013, 14:50:01
If those clears turn out to be legit, I'll be buying a bunch too. Most likely not though, because it's China, notorious for counterfeits and clones.



may I know what keycaps that comes with the ducky shine 2 ?
as in those that came together in box.
Thanks

I believe they're transparent ABS, painted black and the legends are laser-etched so the light can shine through.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Mon, 25 February 2013, 16:16:54
So jealous you got a Shine II with Red LEDs and MX Brown switches Pichu xD
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: pichu23 on Tue, 26 February 2013, 02:02:35
If those clears turn out to be legit, I'll be buying a bunch too. Most likely not though, because it's China, notorious for counterfeits and clones.



may I know what keycaps that comes with the ducky shine 2 ?
as in those that came together in box.
Thanks

I believe they're transparent ABS, painted black and the legends are laser-etched so the light can shine through.

ah alright, thanks. :)
since there are leds, is there any restrictions to what kind of keycaps I can change to ?
 :D
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: pichu23 on Tue, 26 February 2013, 02:04:11
So jealous you got a Shine II with Red LEDs and MX Brown switches Pichu xD

ah, thanks :D
they're very nice to type on  ;D
Title: Re: Ducky Shine II Questions
Post by: S2000Gan on Tue, 26 February 2013, 07:05:06
So jealous you got a Shine II with Red LEDs and MX Brown switches Pichu xD

ah, thanks :D
they're very nice to type on  ;D
-.- growls*
At least I got a plate to be able to swap out switch internals "easily"
Just have to desolder and resolder all the switches and LEDs to get the plate installed -.- xD
And buy more switches...