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Title: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 11:56:21
CAD FILES HERE - READ BELOW QUOTE FIRST (https://github.com/photekq/TEK-80)

New link to CAD files since for some reason I got a tonne of requests lately.

Just a reminder :

This case is fully functional. However, I wouldn't call it good. I cannot recommend that anyone get this made without at least 2 adjustments :

1. It is way too tall at the front. You should change it to be 20mm at the most, otherwise it'll be very uncomfortable.
2. It is designed for the Phantom PCB. This PCB was made specifically to replace Filco PCBs, and as such it is NOT a good PCB for using in a fully custom keyboard. You should adapt this case to work with a B87, GON, or similar PCB.

FINISHED PHOTOS HERE:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54422.0


I wanted to buy an aluminium case for my Filco, but I've heard bad things about the Vortex one and the MKC is too rare and expensive. So.. I decided to start designing one myself. I've never designed any product before and I haven't got any experience with CAD but since it's a very intuitive program I picked it up fairly quickly.

I have been aware of the Phantom for a long time now so I decided I would replicate the Filco's mounting system as best as I could in order to make this case compatible with the Phantom. I am also aware that many users want to use 7bit and winkeyless layouts but there are few cases available so they are unable to do so.

I have also seen various projects very similar to this, but they have never gone anywhere - there have been no prototypes, and the projects seem to have disappeared. I WILL be manufacturing this case IF the design is finished even if there is no interest from you guys. I was originally going to make this case just for myself, but I think I'll use this thread to gauge interest from you guys and maybe consider selling it if there is enough people interested.

At the moment the design is only in the very early stages. I have all the required measurements of the stand offs, screws etc but I haven't added them to the model at this point, and tweaks need to be made to the measurements of the top half of the case. The actual design isn't final either. I'm unsure whether to keep it as a simple 'wedge' shape like the Filco, or whether to make it a bit more fancy like cases such as the LZ-GH.

I would really love to hear feedback from you guys, and I'd like to know what kinds of features you'd like to see. I am going to find a way to make this compatible with detachable cables. I'll try my best to make simple housing that can accommodate a female mini-usb, but will double as a cable hole. That way it'll be up to the user whether or not to use a detachable cable. At the moment the board will be seated at a 6 degree angle, and I'd like to keep it that way. However, I'm open to feet if people are interested.

I want to make it clear that, since it's only in the early design stages, this case is not a sure thing. I'll be busy with exams until summer so this being done in my spare time. However, when and if the design is completed a prototype WILL be made.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Acetrak on Thu, 14 March 2013, 12:24:17
This is a good start, pretty impressive considering that you just picked up CAD on the spot.

Some things to think about:
- How will you do a fit test? As you may already know, the Phantom uses a teensy controller and the location is behind the PCB. Depending on the builder's skills, the teensy controller will use more/less space. Be sure you have a way to take account for this. The best way to understand more would be to get your hands on a Phantom right now. That way you won't have to wait 3 months more after you receive your PCB to finish building your Phantom

- What is your target price range? Obviously it'd be cool to own a fancy pants case for your Phantom, but if your design costs $200 will you still go through with it? Keep in mind that you will have to dish out some $$$ just for the prototype alone. The final production cost will likely be heavily influenced by the design of your bottom case. Having a slant like that requires more material to be chopped off, which may not be as cost efficient.

- Plate design. Is your case being designed to fit the existing SS plates that GB's have been using? Or are they using a dedicated plate that will only fit your case (similar to Korean custom keyboards).

- Color. This will have to do with costs too. What did you have in mind for that? I am assuming you are planning to mill aluminum which will require anodizing which you'll probably need a different shop for.

I think that's all I can think of at the top of my head. Also, I don't think the other case design projects are actually stopping. Other stuff might come up so the development slows down, but I'm sure when the project leaders have the time they will work on them. I wish you good luck in your project.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 12:35:21
This is a good start, pretty impressive considering that you just picked up CAD on the spot.

Some things to think about:
- How will you do a fit test? As you may already know, the Phantom uses a teensy controller and the location is behind the PCB. Depending on the builder's skills, the teensy controller will use more/less space. Be sure you have a way to take account for this. The best way to understand more would be to get your hands on a Phantom right now. That way you won't have to wait 3 months more after you receive your PCB to finish building your Phantom

- What is your target price range? Obviously it'd be cool to own a fancy pants case for your Phantom, but if your design costs $200 will you still go through with it? Keep in mind that you will have to dish out some $$$ just for the prototype alone. The final production cost will likely be heavily influenced by the design of your bottom case. Having a slant like that requires more material to be chopped off, which may not be as cost efficient.

- Plate design. Is your case being designed to fit the existing SS plates that GB's have been using? Or are they using a dedicated plate that will only fit your case (similar to Korean custom keyboards).

- Color. This will have to do with costs too. What did you have in mind for that? I am assuming you are planning to mill aluminum which will require anodizing which you'll probably need a different shop for.

I think that's all I can think of at the top of my head. Also, I don't think the other case design projects are actually stopping. Other stuff might come up so the development slows down, but I'm sure when the project leaders have the time they will work on them. I wish you good luck in your project.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll address it in order

-I'm making the mounting exactly the same as the filco's - 4 standoffs (2 screws) and slight extensions on either side of the case to support the plate. I'm doing this so that it should work with the stock filco plate, the universal TKL plate and the phantom plates. I have taken the screw hole positions from the phantom plate CAD files that are available somewhere on deskthority, and I've double checked them myself - they are spot on. The other two standoffs were harder to measure but I have them very close. It's the 2 standoffs with screws that need to be in the exact right place, whereas the other two only make contact with the plate so I have a little leeway.
-I'm trying to make this as cheap as possible. The cutting of the aluminium should be fairly cheap. I have already spoken to a local cutter. I am a little worried about anodisation costs, but I will do my best to find a solution. Also, the prototype will most likely be the case that I end up using myself, so it'll basically pay for itself.
-I think I mentioned plates earlier.
-I want to be able to offer whatever colour people want. I myself want a black/grey or gunmetal grey, but I want to be able to offer anodisation in a large amount of colours. I am also looking into other finishes such as powder coating, but I think anodising is the preferred option. If this gets to production the people who are cutting the aluminium should be able to help me with sourcing a place to get anodisation done - at the moment I am concentrating fully on the design.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Acetrak on Thu, 14 March 2013, 12:45:07
Fitting:
Looks like you got it under control with good references, should be fine there.

Cost:
Can you clarify what you mean by "cutting"? If I am looking at your bottom case correctly...I don't think it could be cut. I think you'd have to mill the bottom half of your case, which will drive up the machine time and cost. (If anyone else reading the thread can back me up or point out if I'm wrong that'd be great)

Plate:
Sounds good, from the way you're talking about it, Phantom owners will be responsible for their own plate right?

Color:
Yes, you will have to shop around before deciding on where to get it done. Not a huge priority right now but it will take some research.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: mushupork on Thu, 14 March 2013, 12:46:16
This is relevant to my interests   ;) 

I believe it has been confirmed in other threads that a QFR will fit in a Filco TKL case - and that is what I would be interested in.  I would imagine other QFR owners would be interested also - the price of entry into a custom mechanical being so low with that model. 

Rather than a high polish mirror finish I think a matte finish on the outside would be sharp.  Maybe like high end audio gear?  Maybe something with a distressed look like diamond plate? (toxic keyset would be nice here)

(images below)

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4IApKSymzmsKL-fsX-ifpteHxSYsbWX5rUnBnn4um2rjahuxpOw)  (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrK_OqjbKkJDvnXayEJ3Rh9B_26MyY-CtX2xe6BO2SfhygVUAs)  (http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT26p0qpHYgI0lsM23vF0USDioUBRBdTVUXVlw-ImyW4zAY7suMZg)   

(http://www.stereophile.com/images/archivesart/91ksa250.jpg)(http://www.quickshipmetals.com/quickshipmetals_black-diamondplate1.jpg)(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGtey2W0ykqsWiqeqmVd8cEPHI3SelNyqagccTjC8eRiK53so-kw)(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/pancaketom/pancaketom1011/pancaketom101100016/8161242-dirty-worn-old-aluminum-diamond-plate-non-skid-surface-background.jpg) 

(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/bbourdages/bbourdages1201/bbourdages120100070/12234303-diamond-plate-background.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 14 March 2013, 12:48:59
Cost:
Can you clarify what you mean by "cutting"? If I am looking at your bottom case correctly...I don't think it could be cut. I think you'd have to mill the bottom half of your case, which will drive up the machine time and cost. (If anyone else reading the thread can back me up or point out if I'm wrong that'd be great)

You're right. It will probably need to be milled and that angle adds material and machining time. Both will increase the cost.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 12:52:16
Fitting:
Looks like you got it under control with good references, should be fine there.

Cost:
Can you clarify what you mean by "cutting"? If I am looking at your bottom case correctly...I don't think it could be cut. I think you'd have to mill the bottom half of your case, which will drive up the machine time and cost. (If anyone else reading the thread can back me up or point out if I'm wrong that'd be great)

Plate:
Sounds good, from the way you're talking about it, Phantom owners will be responsible for their own plate right?

Color:
Yes, you will have to shop around before deciding on where to get it done. Not a huge priority right now but it will take some research.
Sorry about that. When I said cutting I meant milling. I'm new to all this aluminium stuff.. The costs, according to the words I've exchanged with the local miller, shouldn't be too high. I'll know more at a later date though.
Everyone will be responsible for their own plate, whether it be filco or phantom.

@mushupork - The finish of the product really isn't what I'm concentrating on at the minute, but I do love the look of high end audio equipment :p. As I said to Acetrak I will know more about this at a later date. Also, where have you heard the QFR fits in a Filco case? I knew they were similar, but I always thought the mounting was different. If you link me to a source I will try and incorporate the fitting of a QFR into my design.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: mushupork on Thu, 14 March 2013, 13:54:36
Please have a look ... with the analysis you've done you might read it differently ... http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37432.msg714145#msg714145 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37432.msg714145#msg714145)  I thought I read in post 10 of the linked thread that the cases were the "same" except the detachable cable vs. fixed cable ... maybe I read too quickly? 

Completely understood on being too early for finishes.  You asked if anyone had other case ideas or feature suggestions, and while finishes are not features, I thought it might be inspiring to someone.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 14 March 2013, 14:05:24
QFR requires repositioning of 2 standoffs, the one under F8 on a Filco is moved to get out of way of the USB connector board.  The one near caps lock is also moved a little.  Then of course you have to deal with the USB connector board somehow.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 14:25:42
Please have a look ... with the analysis you've done you might read it differently ... http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37432.msg714145#msg714145 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=37432.msg714145#msg714145)  I thought I read in post 10 of the linked thread that the cases were the "same" except the detachable cable vs. fixed cable ... maybe I read too quickly? 

Completely understood on being too early for finishes.  You asked if anyone had other case ideas or feature suggestions, and while finishes are not features, I thought it might be inspiring to someone.
I'll look into it, and thanks for the link. However, it's pretty hard to tell without having the QFR in front of me.
QFR requires repositioning of 2 standoffs, the one under F8 on a Filco is moved to get out of way of the USB connector board.  The one near caps lock is also moved a little.  Then of course you have to deal with the USB connector board somehow.
If this is true then support for the QFR will be out of the question in the time being.

Currently adding the standoffs to the model. I'll post an update soon.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:19:49
I've added the standoffs and side supports. Standoffs line up perfectly (dead on centre with the screw holes) with the plate CAD file that I got from the deskthority phantom thread.

The only thing left to do is add the usb housing. While I'm on that subject.. Is there any reason why all the keyboards with a removable cable choose to use mini-usb? I would've thought that USB would be less likely to be pulled out.

When I've added the housing for the USB it will complete.. as far as I'm concerned. However, I understand that there might be some features you guys would like to see. That's why I made this thread. I need to know what you guys would like to see in this case.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:23:47
I think micro USB would be better. It's just better that mini. And USB is a harder cable to come by these days.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:24:24
Must be mini USB lobbyists fighting hard to keep their connection afloat.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:27:22
Once complete these things will sell like hot cake. I'd suggest small pockets for rubber feet underneath like this:

(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/calaveratf/keyboards/DSCF2140_zpsa00c554d.jpg)

Except make it a square big enough so you can put in just about any size rubber feet bumpons that are available. Like 1"x 1" may be?

Also would it cost more if you had something etched into it?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:34:20
Also would it cost more if you had something etched into it?

Anything additional that takes up someone's time in a shop will cost you. It's up to the OP whether or not he wants to absorb that cost.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:40:33
Once complete these things will sell like hot cake. I'd suggest small pockets for rubber feet underneath like this:

Show Image
(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/calaveratf/keyboards/DSCF2140_zpsa00c554d.jpg)


Except make it a square big enough so you can put in just about any size rubber feet bumpons that are available. Like 1"x 1" may be?

Also would it cost more if you had something etched into it?
Yeah, I'll be adding spaces for feet, and it's interesting that you mention etching.. I want to make this case personalisable as possible. I want to be able to offer certain customisation options such as having the phantom logo milled into the case, or maybe even a logo or text of your choice. Of course the person would have to pay more for this kind of thing as it would also cost me more to produce, and it may not even be viable at all. I'll find out more about things like that once the design is done. What I want to focus on now is the case itself and non-optional features such as the detachable cable housing. I will work out the fine details at a later date. Thanks for the feedback though.
I think micro USB would be better. It's just better that mini. And USB is a harder cable to come by these days.
How come micro is better than USB? I would probably be more likely to use a mini since every keyboard I've seen with a detachable cable has a mini usb port. Because of this I reckon more people will have custom mini-usb cables, and I don't want to stop them from being able to use it.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:46:01
I didn't say it was better than USB, just that it was better than mini USB. Although I do think it is better than USB because it is a smaller and cleaner connection. But it's better than mini because it's smaller, sturdier, and has a higher disconnect capability than mini.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Mini_and_Micro_connectors
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: alaricljs on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:48:17
Regular size USB doesn't work since it's so damned big, not easy to stick in a keyboard where you have minimal bezel size.

mini USB can be painful because you are supposed to engineer the housing to supply the vast majority of physical support.

micro USB provides some improvement to mini, but primarily by making it easier for the housing to provide the physical support.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 16:55:18
I didn't say it was better than USB, just that it was better than mini USB. Although I do think it is better than USB because it is a smaller and cleaner connection. But it's better than mini because it's smaller, sturdier, and has a higher disconnect capability than mini.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Mini_and_Micro_connectors
Regular size USB doesn't work since it's so damned big, not easy to stick in a keyboard where you have minimal bezel size.

mini USB can be painful because you are supposed to engineer the housing to supply the vast majority of physical support.

micro USB provides some improvement to mini, but primarily by making it easier for the housing to provide the physical support.

Thanks. I'll look into it further. From what you've said micro sounds great.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 14 March 2013, 17:40:35
Awesome work man!
Congrats!

I'll follow this thread too ...
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: hiitsmarco on Thu, 14 March 2013, 17:44:53
Looks great so far! Highly interested in this. I really hope this becomes a sure thing.  :D
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 17:56:29
Awesome work man!
Congrats!

I'll follow this thread too ...
Looks great so far! Highly interested in this. I really hope this becomes a sure thing.  :D
Thanks!

I had to make the back end be at a 96 degree angle instead of a 90 degree angle. Otherwise the PCB wouldn't have actually fit inside the case. Now it really does look like a replica of the Filco.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: agodinhost on Thu, 14 March 2013, 19:42:17
I would add Standoffs at the center, just to keep the board well fixed.
But I think it's just me ...
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 14 March 2013, 19:47:43
Now just add a beveled edge to the bottom, both front and back, and you have a nice profile there. At least the back, if you don't like the front bottom edge beveled. :)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:14:48
I would add Standoffs at the center, just to keep the board well fixed.
But I think it's just me ...
I can't do that. There are four holes in the PCB for the existing standoffs, however there are no holes for any other standoffs.
Now just add a beveled edge to the bottom, both front and back, and you have a nice profile there. At least the back, if you don't like the front bottom edge beveled. :)
I don't quite follow. Do you mean something like this? Sorry for the crappy drawing.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Brown on Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:21:48
Will follow for sure, I want to make my first keyboard special.  Will purchase one for sure if it's around or lower than the cost of the Vortex case.  This thread makes me giddy.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 14 March 2013, 20:24:09
Will follow for sure, I want to make my first keyboard special.  Will purchase one for sure if it's around or lower than the cost of the Vortex case.  This thread makes me giddy.
I really do hope that I'll be able to sell it for a reasonable price. My primary aim is to keep the cost low and the quality high.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Wraul on Fri, 15 March 2013, 02:16:04
I'm really interested in this, and would most likely buy at least 2 if the price is right.
Although given all the previous attempts that never come to fruition, I have a hard time getting my hopes up.

I would appreciate if there there be an option without holes for the LEDs.

Also make sure to add as much mass a possible. It makes a rather large difference to the feel of the keyboard.
Title: Re: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 March 2013, 06:48:32
I don't quite follow. Do you mean something like this? Sorry for the crappy drawing.

Yes. I think that back edge looks really good.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: agodinhost on Fri, 15 March 2013, 07:57:28
Sorry, newbie and dummie question: winkeyless is okay, but what this 7bit in the name means?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 March 2013, 08:23:01
Sorry, newbie and dummie question: winkeyless is okay, but what this 7bit in the name means?

7bit is a user. He is primarily on Deskthority now. He designed his own layout, so that every key, including modifiers, are 1.75-units or less. Meaning that no stabilizers are required for the keyboard whatsoever. You can find out more about his layout here: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom_Group_Buy#7BIT_Layout
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: dirge on Fri, 15 March 2013, 09:17:15
7bit phantom is the best phantom
(http://i.imgur.com/BKBXR.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 March 2013, 09:19:10
You actually use that layout on a regular basis, dirge? I don't know how anyone can type with those small spacebars like that.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 15 March 2013, 11:32:38
You actually use that layout on a regular basis, dirge? I don't know how anyone can type with those small spacebars like that.
I can type on the small spacebars, but it's awkward for me because there's a gap where I like to put my thumb.


About this case: I think it's an excellent idea, and there's lots of good thinking about case designs, etc. Here's my small contribution:
I'd like the keyboard to be attached via removable standoffs, so you can place ones for filco, qfr, etc. You just screw them into the case, and then screw the PCB onto them. I think this is a much more modular/personizable solution than having them be part of the case.

Ofcourse, to do this, you'd probably need a different pattern for the bottom (I don't know how easy it would be to get standoffs in different/custom heights, so you might need some "bases" that they would rest on, or just mill the inside surface of the case at the angle.

I'm not sure I'm explaining this right. I cancome up with a drawing tonight if necessary.

What CAD are you using? I'm considering getting qcad free working, but I need a linux distro with KDE. Maybe I'll install it to a flashdrive.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 11:42:48
You actually use that layout on a regular basis, dirge? I don't know how anyone can type with those small spacebars like that.
I can type on the small spacebars, but it's awkward for me because there's a gap where I like to put my thumb.


About this case: I think it's an excellent idea, and there's lots of good thinking about case designs, etc. Here's my small contribution:
I'd like the keyboard to be attached via removable standoffs, so you can place ones for filco, qfr, etc. You just screw them into the case, and then screw the PCB onto them. I think this is a much more modular/personizable solution than having them be part of the case.

Ofcourse, to do this, you'd probably need a different pattern for the bottom (I don't know how easy it would be to get standoffs in different/custom heights, so you might need some "bases" that they would rest on, or just mill the inside surface of the case at the angle.

I'm not sure I'm explaining this right. I cancome up with a drawing tonight if necessary.

What CAD are you using? I'm considering getting qcad free working, but I need a linux distro with KDE. Maybe I'll install it to a flashdrive.

I really like the modular stand offs idea, but I think it'd make the costs quite a lot higher. I'll definitely keep this idea in mind because I think it's a good one, but I can't guarantee anything. Although, like I've said before I want to make this case as personalisable as possible. If this gets to production without modular standoffs but you want them just let me know. I'd be happy to add stuff like that for just one person, but they would have to pay any extra manufacturing costs.

I'm using solidworks. It's a really nice program to use - very intuitive.

Small update : I'm currently working on the detachable cable. At the moment it looks like it'll be nearly impossible to have a usb cutout that can double as a cable hole which means nobody will be able to use the stock cable. You'll have to cut it, and solder it to the usb connector on the case. Does anyone have a problem with this? Would anyone actually prefer the stock cable to a detachable one, or does anyone not want to have to mod the cable?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 14:17:01
Getting a nice detachable cable will be hard. The cases with best and nicest looking detachable cables are the korean customs, but the reason they're so nice is because they have a mini-usb mounted on the pcb. I can't do that, so the best I can do is attach a mini or micro usb port to the case itself. Even then, the buyer will have to cut his/her existing cable and attach it to the port on the case themselves. I think this is a really messy way of doing things, so I'm inclined to just leave a hole for a stock cable instead of spending a long time working out a far from perfect detachable solution.

I did what jdcarpe suggested and I must say that I'm loving the bevelled edge. I'll make some renders soon.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Fri, 15 March 2013, 15:58:09
Or this could be a solution:

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=3&document_srl=6172970

I don't know the details but if those small micro usb pcb is available, then soldering the cable shouldn't be too hard.


Edit: Not a big fan of the bottom rear edge like that.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 16:07:27
Or this could be a solution:

http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=3&document_srl=6172970

I don't know the details but if those small micro usb pcb is available, then soldering the cable shouldn't be too hard.


Edit: Not a big fan of the bottom rear edge like that.
Thanks for the link. I was looking at something similar about 10 minutes ago and it looks like it could work.

Thanks for the input on the bottom edge aswell. Everything is up for discussion.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Fri, 15 March 2013, 16:34:06
I should elaborate on the rear angle.

(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/calaveratf/keyboards/cab_zps907fede2.jpg)

Because of the angle of the rear, the usb cable will be "shooting up" (black rectangle in pic) which I personally find a little annoying.
If it were shaped like the red line it wouldn't be as bad. Also cutting less into the bottom makes the keyboard feel more grounded visually as well as add more weight.

It might cause problems inside with the PCB and/or plate mount so may be it can't be 90 degrees like that but you get my point.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 16:39:17
I should elaborate on the rear angle.

Show Image
(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu23/calaveratf/keyboards/cab_zps907fede2.jpg)


Because of the angle of the rear, the usb cable will be "shooting up" (black rectangle in pic) which I personally find a little annoying.
If it were shaped like the red line it wouldn't be as bad. Also cutting less into the bottom makes the keyboard feel more grounded visually as well as add more weight.

It might cause problems inside with the PCB and/or plate mount so may be it can't be 90 degrees like that but you get my point.

I see what you mean with the reduction of cutting.

I'm afraid a 90 degree back angle isn't something I can do. The pcb wouldn't fit, and if i made the case longer to fit the pcb it'd make it look stretched.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 15 March 2013, 16:43:21
Does that angle necessarily mean that it will angle upwards? Couldn't you design the case to have a groove in it? Either on the top or bottom portion of the case?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 16:48:19
Does that angle necessarily mean that it will angle upwards? Couldn't you design the case to have a groove in it? Either on the top or bottom portion of the case?
Which angle are you referring to? The plate and pcb will be mounted at a 6 degree angle, and because of this so will the case. For reference the filco is around 5 degrees with the feet up and around 10 degrees with the feet down.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 15 March 2013, 16:53:23
Looks good, a few things you may want to consider...

Filco uses a steel plate with a bend at the edges to considerably stiffen the plate, the standoffs simply hold the plate up, they don't add any structural support. The case is too flimsy to do much.  This was why Vortex went with the design they did and why Korean boards use plates with tabs that are screwed in along the top and bottom edge, it's all done to add stiffness and support to the plate.

I would be concerned that mounting a flat plate and using a couple standoffs would result in flex or warping over long term use. Using standoffs to push the pcb which pushes the pate can work, but it can also stress the pcb. Note that the Filco pcb actually hangs and floats under the plate. As does almost every plate keyboard I have seen. That isn't to say it won't work, but considering it costs more to bend a plate than it does to add a few plastic standoffs, there is a reason they do it.


Another issue I can see is going to be cost.
Vortex gets away with the relatively deep bottom because they cast it roughly to shape, then mill it. You on the other hand will be paying for a very thick, heavy chunk of metal and spend a long time milling it out. This is why many designs use multiple plates milled out, or are much more shallow. This allows for less mill time, and the use of cheaper, thinner plates.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 17:51:03
Looks good, a few things you may want to consider...

Filco uses a steel plate with a bend at the edges to considerably stiffen the plate, the standoffs simply hold the plate up, they don't add any structural support. The case is too flimsy to do much.  This was why Vortex went with the design they did and why Korean boards use plates with tabs that are screwed in along the top and bottom edge, it's all done to add stiffness and support to the plate.

I would be concerned that mounting a flat plate and using a couple standoffs would result in flex or warping over long term use. Using standoffs to push the pcb which pushes the pate can work, but it can also stress the pcb. Note that the Filco pcb actually hangs and floats under the plate. As does almost every plate keyboard I have seen. That isn't to say it won't work, but considering it costs more to bend a plate than it does to add a few plastic standoffs, there is a reason they do it.


Another issue I can see is going to be cost.
Vortex gets away with the relatively deep bottom because they cast it roughly to shape, then mill it. You on the other hand will be paying for a very thick, heavy chunk of metal and spend a long time milling it out. This is why many designs use multiple plates milled out, or are much more shallow. This allows for less mill time, and the use of cheaper, thinner plates.

I know what you mean, but I really can't see another mounting method that will support both the stock filco plate and the universal tkl/phantom plate. Besides, I'm fairly confident that the two screws will hold the plate in place and do a good job of reducing flex. I'm aware of the fact that the pcb hangs under the plate, and this will do the exact same. Think of this case as an aluminium replica of the filco case but with a few extra features. Also, I have a universal tkl plate right in front of me and it definitely isn't flimsy.. You need to put a fair amount of force on it in order to flex it.

I'm very aware of the possible cost issues and it's probably my primary concern. I will do everything in my power to reduce costs while trying to keep the quality as high as possible.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 15 March 2013, 17:53:22
Just FYI, if you take this to a shop, I believe that Solidworks will not output a .dwg file. Most shops prefer the .dwg file which is from AutoCad. I know The_Beast had to remake his drawings in AutoCad because of this.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 17:56:40
Just FYI, if you take this to a shop, I believe that Solidworks will not output a .dwg file. Most shops prefer the .dwg file which is from AutoCad. I know The_Beast had to remake his drawings in AutoCad because of this.
Thanks for the heads up. It'd be a pain to have to redo it but I know every measurement off by heart at this point so it shouldn't take too long :p
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 15 March 2013, 17:58:37
A simple call to the shop before hand will save you the hassle of remaking the file. :P

Also, you've been remaking the file a lot?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 18:00:50
A simple call to the shop before hand will save you the hassle of remaking the file. :P

Also, you've been remaking the file a lot?
I haven't been remaking it a lot, I've just been adjusting it a lot. I also spent a hell of a long time getting the standoff measurements right so I know them. I'll check with the shop tomorrow.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 15 March 2013, 18:07:48
Ah ok, was worried you were remaking the file over and over.   Sounds like you're really getting serious on the project, always a good thing :D
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 15 March 2013, 18:13:21
Just FYI, if you take this to a shop, I believe that Solidworks will not output a .dwg file. Most shops prefer the .dwg file which is from AutoCad. I know The_Beast had to remake his drawings in AutoCad because of this.
Turns out that you can export as a DWG in solidworks just fine, unless there is some difference between a dwg from solidworks and a dwg from autocad that I'm not aware of.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 15 March 2013, 18:28:23
I'm not quite sure as I've worked very sparingly with AutoCad. I just know that most shops want "the AutoCad file". It might be a dxf that the shops want.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 15 March 2013, 21:02:47
I know what you mean, but I really can't see another mounting method that will support both the stock filco plate and the universal tkl/phantom plate. Besides, I'm fairly confident that the two screws will hold the plate in place and do a good job of reducing flex. I'm aware of the fact that the pcb hangs under the plate, and this will do the exact same. Think of this case as an aluminium replica of the filco case but with a few extra features. Also, I have a universal tkl plate right in front of me and it definitely isn't flimsy.. You need to put a fair amount of force on it in order to flex it.
It's not just flex, two screws may hold it, and it may be stiff enough (I would question long term on aluminum plates), that doesn't mean it's going to resist vibration. I suspect the "ping" people hear on Filcos and some other boards is related to this. Hold your Uni plate various ways while tapping with your fingernail and you will see what I mean. It's one reason why my Vortex is stuffed with foam. Less vibration means less noise.

Above all though, why compromise? It's meant to be a top notch case, why not make a plate and proper mounting system. People here drop $100 on keycaps, but are too cheap to spend another $20-$30 to get a plate that matches their $200 case?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 16 March 2013, 08:06:13
I know what you mean, but I really can't see another mounting method that will support both the stock filco plate and the universal tkl/phantom plate. Besides, I'm fairly confident that the two screws will hold the plate in place and do a good job of reducing flex. I'm aware of the fact that the pcb hangs under the plate, and this will do the exact same. Think of this case as an aluminium replica of the filco case but with a few extra features. Also, I have a universal tkl plate right in front of me and it definitely isn't flimsy.. You need to put a fair amount of force on it in order to flex it.
It's not just flex, two screws may hold it, and it may be stiff enough (I would question long term on aluminum plates), that doesn't mean it's going to resist vibration. I suspect the "ping" people hear on Filcos and some other boards is related to this. Hold your Uni plate various ways while tapping with your fingernail and you will see what I mean. It's one reason why my Vortex is stuffed with foam. Less vibration means less noise.

Above all though, why compromise? It's meant to be a top notch case, why not make a plate and proper mounting system. People here drop $100 on keycaps, but are too cheap to spend another $20-$30 to get a plate that matches their $200 case?
I think you're right. After thinking about it I realised that it would probably end up being cheaper with a new plate and no standoffs than it would be with the current design. It's actually easier on my end to design it this way too. My only worry is that some people might not want to have to install a new plate. I'll keep the old design, but I'll make a new one with a new plate and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 16 March 2013, 13:00:20
Here's my input on this. Every single feature you put in will add extra cost to the process. Even 1 extra fillet, chamfer, or hole. I've seen some intricate designs for a simple concept (non keyboard related), and the quote for it was several thousand dollars lol. So when you design it, just keep in mind how they're going to manufacture it and how many steps it will take.

Little things to think about now when you're designing it: it must be thick enough for screws and threads. The side walls must be thicker than screw heads, and if you're going to use removable standoffs, the bottom must be thick enough to have threads that won't go all the way through. There are only a limited choice on standoffs and I only found this out after designing my case. The standoff length and thread length that I designed the case for, was not available.

Lastly, it looks like you extruded the base, then used the shell feature. Since the very bottom of the base is not on the same plane as the plate, the standoff or threads will have to be angled. This won't be as easy to mill out or thread, so you might have to change the way you extrude, shell, or extrude cut.



Just FYI, if you take this to a shop, I believe that Solidworks will not output a .dwg file. Most shops prefer the .dwg file which is from AutoCad. I know The_Beast had to remake his drawings in AutoCad because of this.
Turns out that you can export as a DWG in solidworks just fine, unless there is some difference between a dwg from solidworks and a dwg from autocad that I'm not aware of.
solidworks can export/convert to almost any file format. But converting sometimes is not as good as the original, depending on which format you convert it to. For example, some formats won't allow you to save the design tree or history. I had a hard time making the exported dwg file to work with Mastercam2000, even though I specified the correct version.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 16 March 2013, 13:26:11
Just FYI, if you take this to a shop, I believe that Solidworks will not output a .dwg file. Most shops prefer the .dwg file which is from AutoCad. I know The_Beast had to remake his drawings in AutoCad because of this.
Turns out that you can export as a DWG in solidworks just fine, unless there is some difference between a dwg from solidworks and a dwg from autocad that I'm not aware of.
solidworks can export/convert to almost any file format. But converting sometimes is not as good as the original, depending on which format you convert it to. For example, some formats won't allow you to save the design tree or history. I had a hard time making the exported dwg file to work with Mastercam2000, even though I specified the correct version.

Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 16 March 2013, 15:46:27
After a lot of thought I've decided it'll be best for everyone if the plate gets screwed directly onto the case. Even with the cost of a new plate it should end up cheaper than the old design since the standoffs won't have to milled. I can also easily make variants of the plate to suit different boards such at the QFR and other TKL boards. Literally the only downside is having to install a new plate.

Here's what I've got so far. Thanks a lot WFD for letting me use your switch hole design.

Here's my input on this. Every single feature you put in will add extra cost to the process. Even 1 extra fillet, chamfer, or hole. I've seen some intricate designs for a simple concept (non keyboard related), and the quote for it was several thousand dollars lol. So when you design it, just keep in mind how they're going to manufacture it and how many steps it will take.
When the design is done the people that are going to be doing the milling will go over the design with me and tell me where I can cut on costs. The case will probably end up having no fillets whatsoever inside. At the moment I'm just.. well.. making the ideal case I guess.

Little things to think about now when you're designing it: it must be thick enough for screws and threads. The side walls must be thicker than screw heads, and if you're going to use removable standoffs, the bottom must be thick enough to have threads that won't go all the way through. There are only a limited choice on standoffs and I only found this out after designing my case. The standoff length and thread length that I designed the case for, was not available.
Don't worry I'll be making sure that all screws have the space they need.

Lastly, it looks like you extruded the base, then used the shell feature. Since the very bottom of the base is not on the same plane as the plate, the standoff or threads will have to be angled. This won't be as easy to mill out or thread, so you might have to change the way you extrude, shell, or extrude cut.
One less thing I have to worry about with the new design. :P


Just FYI, if you take this to a shop, I believe that Solidworks will not output a .dwg file. Most shops prefer the .dwg file which is from AutoCad. I know The_Beast had to remake his drawings in AutoCad because of this.
Turns out that you can export as a DWG in solidworks just fine, unless there is some difference between a dwg from solidworks and a dwg from autocad that I'm not aware of.
solidworks can export/convert to almost any file format. But converting sometimes is not as good as the original, depending on which format you convert it to. For example, some formats won't allow you to save the design tree or history. I had a hard time making the exported dwg file to work with Mastercam2000, even though I specified the correct version.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 16 March 2013, 17:14:01
Looks great!
And yes, more freedom on the design end can certainly make things easier and give a better result overall.

So... where do I send my money. LOL
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 16 March 2013, 17:29:24
WFD I have a related question. Have you ever had issues with the board flexing when it's being lasered? Like the heat generated caused a plate to warp?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: pasph on Sat, 16 March 2013, 18:48:54
Please consider also an ISO plate
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 16 March 2013, 18:55:42
Please consider also an ISO plate
Don't worry. I'll be making iso 1.5 and 1.25, ansi 1.5 and 1.25 as well as 7bit plates. Just need to get the general plate layout finalised first.

Btw is there any interest in an ansi or iso layout but with the spaces for keys about the arrows like on the 7bit?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: pasph on Sat, 16 March 2013, 19:05:10
Please consider also an ISO plate
Don't worry. I'll be making iso 1.5 and 1.25, ansi 1.5 and 1.25 as well as 7bit plates. Just need to get the general plate layout finalised first.

Btw is there any interest in an ansi or iso layout but with the spaces for keys about the arrows like on the 7bit?

yes
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 16 March 2013, 20:47:59
Here's what I've done so far with the new mounting. Still unsure whether or not to actually keep the LED holes. Does anyone even want them?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Sat, 16 March 2013, 21:39:52
Hmm..make the LED hole an option?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 16 March 2013, 21:44:28
And now some eye candy..
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 16 March 2013, 22:12:01
For LED's I would recommend the same I said in another thread similar to this... Mill pinholes. If you want LED's they will shine through, if you don't, you just see two small black dots where they would be.




An alternative method on the case design...
It's a bit unconventional, but something I thought about a while back. It makes the top a little more expensive, but the rest of it would actually be much cheaper (I would think) to produce.

Recess the plate into the top, you have to mill the top and bottom of the top regardless of what you do, so do most of your milling here. If you make the bottom 2 piece like The Cheat, the middle piece can be milled in a single operation, from the underside. You don't have to flip it, or spend a long time hogging out the center, you can laser it out or mill it out in a chunk. Being 2 piece it also means you can use thinner stock, allows multiple color options and most of the work could even be laser cut instead of milled. The bottom plate as well can be milled in a single operation from thin stock, as well as laser cut initially or entirely. On the second pic, the bottom plate is recessed and could be entirely laser cut, but requires thicker stock on the center section to cover the ends.

On this design, you also don't need "tabs" on the plate, just leave it as a straight edge and let the top and bottom clamp it in between them while passing the screws through it. This would reinforce the heck out of the top plate., just leave a small lip on the top to hide it.

Quickly edited in Photoshop so you will have to forgive the imprecision. LOL
Again, just an alternative. Looks great so far though and I would buy either design.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Sun, 17 March 2013, 02:05:49
And now some eye candy..

That looks like a KMAC.

The tabs on the sides of the plate don't have to be the same size as the top and bottom ones do they? Can you make the bezels (sides at least) slimmer?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: cyberwave on Sun, 17 March 2013, 02:19:30
aw man! i just got WFD's universal tkl plate  >:D

looks like i gotta prep my wallet for another bout of damage  ;D
Title: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: dirge on Sun, 17 March 2013, 03:36:44
You actually use that layout on a regular basis, dirge? I don't know how anyone can type with those small spacebars like that.
Not my daily driver, I break it out now and again to play games.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: 4LI4Z on Sun, 17 March 2013, 06:46:38
You could also consider to make the plate out of stainless steel, I think that would also add some extra stability.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 17 March 2013, 07:05:35
And now some eye candy..

That looks like a KMAC.

The tabs on the sides of the plate don't have to be the same size as the top and bottom ones do they? Can you make the bezels (sides at least) slimmer?

I don't think there even need to be tabs on the side. I don't see any reason why I can't make it thinner at the sides as there will still be room for all neccessary screws.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 17 March 2013, 07:55:47
For LED's I would recommend the same I said in another thread similar to this... Mill pinholes. If you want LED's they will shine through, if you don't, you just see two small black dots where they would be.




An alternative method on the case design...
It's a bit unconventional, but something I thought about a while back. It makes the top a little more expensive, but the rest of it would actually be much cheaper (I would think) to produce.

Recess the plate into the top, you have to mill the top and bottom of the top regardless of what you do, so do most of your milling here. If you make the bottom 2 piece like The Cheat, the middle piece can be milled in a single operation, from the underside. You don't have to flip it, or spend a long time hogging out the center, you can laser it out or mill it out in a chunk. Being 2 piece it also means you can use thinner stock, allows multiple color options and most of the work could even be laser cut instead of milled. The bottom plate as well can be milled in a single operation from thin stock, as well as laser cut initially or entirely. On the second pic, the bottom plate is recessed and could be entirely laser cut, but requires thicker stock on the center section to cover the ends.

On this design, you also don't need "tabs" on the plate, just leave it as a straight edge and let the top and bottom clamp it in between them while passing the screws through it. This would reinforce the heck out of the top plate., just leave a small lip on the top to hide it.

Quickly edited in Photoshop so you will have to forgive the imprecision. LOL
Again, just an alternative. Looks great so far though and I would buy either design.
That seems like a great idea. The current one could be easily adjusted to fit that design too. I'll try and find out which one is more cost effective at a later date, when it's a bit closer to being ready for a prototype.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 17 March 2013, 09:23:48
Okay so I think I've come up with a viable solution for the detachable cable. If I were to simply attach a breakout board to the case it wouldn't work. The cable would have to be soldered to the breakout board, and we all know how hard it is to remove the weird molex connector from the pcb. In short, it would be bloody tricky to remove the cable once soldered.

I noticed that the size of the breakout board was pretty close to the size of a hot/cold shoe (the ones you put a flash into on a dslr). I'll order a breakout board and see if I can make it fit nicely. If it works then it'll be a tidy, cheap solution.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 17 March 2013, 18:44:35
WFD I have a related question. Have you ever had issues with the board flexing when it's being lasered? Like the heat generated caused a plate to warp?

It's not going to cause the whole sheet to bend, but there will be some local warping right where the laser shoots at. Stainless steel seems to be more resistant to this than aluminum.



Or this could be a solution:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=3&document_srl=6172970 (http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=3&document_srl=6172970)
I don't know the details but if those small micro usb pcb is available, then soldering the cable shouldn't be too hard.

These are called "breakout" boards. There are many variants so it shouldn't be hard to source. Something like this:

http://www.robotshop.com/sfe-usb-microb-breakout-board.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=jos (http://www.robotshop.com/sfe-usb-microb-breakout-board.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=jos)



I think you're right. After thinking about it I realised that it would probably end up being cheaper with a new plate and no standoffs than it would be with the current design. It's actually easier on my end to design it this way too. My only worry is that some people might not want to have to install a new plate. I'll keep the old design, but I'll make a new one with a new plate and see how it goes.

If you're not going to do standoffs anymore, then it'll need a new custom plate to fit the case. Most people do not have desoldering equipment to transfer the PCB and switches to the new plate. I just know this will be a huge turn-off for many people.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 17 March 2013, 19:02:41
WFD I have a related question. Have you ever had issues with the board flexing when it's being lasered? Like the heat generated caused a plate to warp?

It's not going to cause the whole sheet to bend, but there will be some local warping right where the laser shoots at. Stainless steel seems to be more resistant to this than aluminum.



Or this could be a solution:
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=3&document_srl=6172970 (http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/index.php?mid=photo&page=3&document_srl=6172970)
I don't know the details but if those small micro usb pcb is available, then soldering the cable shouldn't be too hard.

These are called "breakout" boards. There are many variants so it shouldn't be hard to source. Something like this:

http://www.robotshop.com/sfe-usb-microb-breakout-board.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=jos (http://www.robotshop.com/sfe-usb-microb-breakout-board.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=jos)



I think you're right. After thinking about it I realised that it would probably end up being cheaper with a new plate and no standoffs than it would be with the current design. It's actually easier on my end to design it this way too. My only worry is that some people might not want to have to install a new plate. I'll keep the old design, but I'll make a new one with a new plate and see how it goes.

If you're not going to do standoffs anymore, then it'll need a new custom plate to fit the case. Most people do not have desoldering equipment to transfer the PCB and switches to the new plate. I just know this will be a huge turn-off for many people.

I've already roughly designed a new plate with areas to screw it on to the case which you're able to see in some of my previous posts. I understand that not everyone has soldering equipment which is why the original design is not completely out the window. I'm just experimenting with alternative designs. I've already ordered the exact breakout board you linked and I reckon with a little bit of sanding it'll fit into a cold-shoe which I will mount onto the case.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 19 March 2013, 12:02:30
Micro USB breakout arrived. The two holes are the perfect size for the M2.5 screws that hold the Filco's plate onto the standoffs. Once I've added a mount for this onto the case and added a few small features such as places for rubber feet the case will pretty much complete. I've decided to go with the custom plate design since it's much less trouble for me, and it should be a superior mounting solution. I know that some people may not have soldering equipment but if you're willing to spend money on an aluminium case then what's stopping you from buying a £10 soldering iron and £5 of solder?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 20 March 2013, 02:30:47
Is that mini or micro.. micro really isn't the best thing to use, they just aren't very durable.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 20 March 2013, 08:01:16
I think they are equally durable but keyboards do seem to standardize on mini, so that probably makes it the best choice.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 20 March 2013, 08:12:42
I thought micro USB was more durable than mini and designed for 1000s of connects/disconnects. I believe the WASD TKL will be micro USB.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 20 March 2013, 11:20:02
It's micro. esoomenona suggested it to me earlier in the thread and I completely understand why. The cable won't be coming out unless you want it to. The same can't be said for mini.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 20 March 2013, 18:11:46
The original micro wasn't as tough, the newer stronger ones I don't think have really trickled down yet.

It's not connect and disconnects that worries me, it's the movement of the cable. I can point you to numerous cell phones where the connector has been damaged through cables being moved and bumped or slightly out of spec cables messing them up severely, the HTC Evo 4g is well known for this problem.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 20 March 2013, 18:41:22
The original micro wasn't as tough, the newer stronger ones I don't think have really trickled down yet.

It's not connect and disconnects that worries me, it's the movement of the cable. I can point you to numerous cell phones where the connector has been damaged through cables being moved and bumped or slightly out of spec cables messing them up severely, the HTC Evo 4g is well known for this problem.
Really? I was aware that the housing around the connector can be broken quite easily by a cable being moved, but I didn't think the connector itself breaking was all that common. I'll look into this, although I would personally prefer micro over mini. In the past I've had far too many problems with the mini usb connector coming out when I don't want it to. I very much doubt I'll have the same problem with micro.

In fact.. It would probably be fairly easy to make the mount so you can choose whether you want micro or mini.

Here's the mount at the minute. It's very simple, but I believe it will be perfect. Screws will hold the breakout board securely in place, there's a large hole for the connector to fit into but the hole goes from large into a shaped hole which makes it look nice and tidy. However, I'm considering removing the shaped hole in order to make this easily compatible with mini-usb.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: ishumprod on Thu, 21 March 2013, 05:15:45
last updates look gorgeous
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 21 March 2013, 16:10:46
Really? I was aware that the housing around the connector can be broken quite easily by a cable being moved, but I didn't think the connector itself breaking was all that common. I'll look into this, although I would personally prefer micro over mini. In the past I've had far too many problems with the mini usb connector coming out when I don't want it to. I very much doubt I'll have the same problem with micro.
The housing usually becomes loose and then the connector itself fails due to that. As a result a newer, stronger housing has been designed, but as I said, I don't know how far down the supply line it has trickled.

I do agree though, mini pops out to easy and it wasn't really designed for repeated cable swapping.

The design looks good.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 23 March 2013, 11:30:39
I've now finalised the plate design, plate mounts and usb mount.

I had to change the usb mount slightly so that the breakout board comes into contact with a right angle instead of an 84 degree angle, but otherwise it's practically the same.

Changed the plate mount so there's space for screws etc.

Now I just need to do the following :

-Apply new plate design to other layouts
-Adjust 7bit and winkeyless top halves slightly
-Add small things such as places for rubber feet
-Add screwholes (I already know where I'm putting them and what screws I'm using. Just haven't got round to it yet.)

Once those things are done and I've triple checked the design I'll get a quote for a prototype!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Sat, 23 March 2013, 16:43:32
The shorter side walls/bezels are going to remain that thick?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 23 March 2013, 16:52:53
The shorter side walls/bezels are going to remain that thick?
It's the way that it's gotta be unless I make it so that one set of screws go through the bottom, plate and top instead of having the plate screwed to the bottom and then having the bottom screwed to the top. This is something I'm exploring right now, and it may end up being a better alternative.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Sat, 23 March 2013, 18:15:19
I don't follow. Based on the pic it looks like screws only mount on the top and bottom wall, not the left and right side walls?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 23 March 2013, 18:44:21
I don't follow. Based on the pic it looks like screws only mount on the top and bottom wall, not the left and right side walls?
Sorry, ignore what I said. I have overlooked something and will change it. Once I've changed the plate slightly the side walls should be 5mm thick instead of the current 10mm.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 25 March 2013, 22:31:34
I can confidently say that the case is 99% finalised. The 1% is only tiny details.

I have :
-Made the side walls 5mm thick instead of 9mm thick
-Centered the switch holes on the plate
-Changed plate mounting arrangement
-Change mount slightly - hole is no longer usb-shaped
-Added holes for rubber feet (I have also ordered said feet)

I should be able to get a rough quote for the milling tomorrow. Hopefully it'll be nice and low.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Mon, 25 March 2013, 22:52:48
Very nice. This will fit a stock filco plate/pcb as well correct? I couldn't really tell by looking at the renderings. Do you have a side view showing the profile of the case? I wanna see how much space there is under the PCB.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 25 March 2013, 23:03:24
Very nice. This will fit a stock filco plate/pcb as well correct? I couldn't really tell by looking at the renderings. Do you have a side view showing the profile of the case? I wanna see how much space there is under the PCB.
It'll fit a stock filco pcb, but not the plate since I have removed the standoffs from the design, and this case is not designed to clamp a curved plate like the vortex.. Here's a cross section and the dimensions of the bottom part of the case. The base is 5mm thick, so there is a 8mm gap at the front. The bottom of the pcb hangs around 7mm from the top of the plate iirc, so there is 1mm of space below at the front, but since it's at an angle there's way more space at the back - enough for the filco cable connector as well as the phantom's controller..

Y'know.. you got me thinking about the stock filco plate. Maybe it would be possible to double up the design so that it can clamp the stock plate like the Vortex case does and it can also support custom plates. We'll see - I can't promise anything, and I highly doubt I could make it work.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Mon, 25 March 2013, 23:14:02
I assume you're going to be making the plate too? If so then it's quite possible to have the case accept both yours and a stock filco plate. You'd have to make your plate taller though so all four sides still rest on the side walls of the case.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 25 March 2013, 23:17:58
I assume you're going to be making the plate too? If so then it's quite possible to have the case accept both yours and a stock filco plate.
Yes, I will be making the plate. I will definitely look into this - I would love to be able to make this case work with the stock plate.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 26 March 2013, 17:37:04
Added platforms for the stock filco plate. The case will now work with the stock filco (maybe the QFR too - the plates look identical) plate as well as the custom one that i'll be making.

Thanks calavera for reminding me about the stock plate and for explaining a few things.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: calavera on Tue, 26 March 2013, 17:52:34
That is awesome! May be a few things to consider: When a filco plate is in place, the top case should overlap with the plate edges so it adds another layer of securing the plate. Judging from the side views, the overlap surface seem very small or nonexistent. The reason behind this being that filco plate will just sit there held together by the top case only, no screws.

Does the filco plate align with the top surface of the bottom case? What thickness is your plate going to be?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 26 March 2013, 17:56:19
Very nice!

Also, any plans for feet?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:32:07
That is awesome! May be a few things to consider: When a filco plate is in place, the top case should overlap with the plate edges so it adds another layer of securing the plate. Judging from the side views, the overlap surface seem very small or nonexistent. The reason behind this being that filco plate will just sit there held together by the top case only, no screws.

Does the filco plate align with the top surface of the bottom case? What thickness is your plate going to be?
Yeah. I was going to adjust the top slightly so that it overlaps the stock plate, just haven't got round to it yet. I have designed it so that the top surface of the filco plate will be flush with the top surface of the bottom case. The bottom of the plate curves are 5mm from the top of the plate, and the platforms are 5mm from the top of the case - hopefully it should fit perfectly.

The custom plate will be 2mm thick, slightly thicker than the phantom/universal TKL plates which were 1/16 inch (around 1.5mm).
Very nice!

Also, any plans for feet?
I wasn't planning on including feet since the board will already have a 6 degree slant to it.. Does anyone even want a larger slant than that? I mean it would be easy for me to add screwholes for feet, but I wouldn't want to supply the feet since it would only add to costs.

Are those circular aluminium feet that are used a lot in korean boards available anywhere to buy?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: cyberwave on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:39:02
current universal plates already have trouble fitting costar stabilisers properly due to its thickness :(

if your plate is even thicker than that, i doubt costar stabilisers can be used :(
Title: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:40:52
current universal plates already have trouble fitting costar stabilisers properly due to its thickness :(

if your plate is even thicker than that, i doubt costar stabilisers can be used :(

Correct. Costar spec is 0.060"
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:42:46
current universal plates already have trouble fitting costar stabilisers properly due to its thickness :(

if your plate is even thicker than that, i doubt costar stabilisers can be used :(
I see.. No wonder WFD sanded the stabiliser holes down for me. Right, well, the plate won't be 2mm anymore. It'll probably be closer to 1.5. I'll look more into this - thanks for letting me know.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: cyberwave on Wed, 27 March 2013, 11:21:58
no prob!  :D

can't wait for this case :o

Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: cobraj on Fri, 05 April 2013, 01:46:42
Ooooooft.
Looks impressive.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 05 April 2013, 02:42:53
Looks nice Photekq. Just keep in mind that every detail you add will increase price. So that extra ledge for stock Filco plate is considered a detail. Also while you design it, keep in mind the tooling required to actually mill it out. For example, I don't think it's possible to have perfect sharp right angles on the inside corners because the milling bits are rounded. You'll need rounded corners, aka fillets in the design. Try to keep fillets the same sizes too so during manufacturing, it won't require a tool change, which will probably decrease costs.


current universal plates already have trouble fitting costar stabilisers properly due to its thickness :(

if your plate is even thicker than that, i doubt costar stabilisers can be used :(
I see.. No wonder WFD sanded the stabiliser holes down for me. Right, well, the plate won't be 2mm anymore. It'll probably be closer to 1.5. I'll look more into this - thanks for letting me know.

Yeah for the later wave of plates I sent out, I filed down the costar slot if you filled out the form for any keyboard that uses costar stabilizers. 1.5mm should be perfect. It's too bad that US uses the gauge system for standard thickness, so there were no sheet metal places that had 0.060", only 0.0625".
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 05 April 2013, 07:45:04
Looks nice Photekq. Just keep in mind that every detail you add will increase price. So that extra ledge for stock Filco plate is considered a detail. Also while you design it, keep in mind the tooling required to actually mill it out. For example, I don't think it's possible to have perfect sharp right angles on the inside corners because the milling bits are rounded. You'll need rounded corners, aka fillets in the design. Try to keep fillets the same sizes too so during manufacturing, it won't require a tool change, which will probably decrease costs.


current universal plates already have trouble fitting costar stabilisers properly due to its thickness :(

if your plate is even thicker than that, i doubt costar stabilisers can be used :(
I see.. No wonder WFD sanded the stabiliser holes down for me. Right, well, the plate won't be 2mm anymore. It'll probably be closer to 1.5. I'll look more into this - thanks for letting me know.

Yeah for the later wave of plates I sent out, I filed down the costar slot if you filled out the form for any keyboard that uses costar stabilizers. 1.5mm should be perfect. It's too bad that US uses the gauge system for standard thickness, so there were no sheet metal places that had 0.060", only 0.0625".

I'm going to keep all the features in and see what it will cost. If it's too high then I will have to remove some stuff, but I would like to keep as many features in as possible. Also, do you really think those platforms would increase the cost? I would've thought they would have decreased the cost since it's less aluminium that needs to be removed.

And yeah, I found out about the fact that all internal corners need to have a radius a week or two ago. It'll all depend on where I get it made - if they have bits with a low enough radius it'll be fine, but if they don't then I'll have to add circles at the edges like the Vortex case.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 05 April 2013, 07:53:59
Think about it this way Photekq. If you have a platform, that means there's going to be a dimension associated. That means someone has to mill/machine it out. And then someone else has to measure it. So now you have to pay 2 extra people at least just to get it. WFD is right, every single detail you have will add to the cost.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:46:28
Think about it this way Photekq. If you have a platform, that means there's going to be a dimension associated. That means someone has to mill/machine it out. And then someone else has to measure it. So now you have to pay 2 extra people at least just to get it. WFD is right, every single detail you have will add to the cost.
You're right.. I didn't think of it like that. I was thinking that entering a few more pieces of code into the routing would take less time than the time it would take for a milling machine to cut out those extra pieces of aluminium.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 01 May 2013, 17:31:38
I know this thread's been dead for a while now but I thought I'd make some updates for those who are interested.

1. Core design is 100% done.
2. I have found a place to get the prototype made.
3. I've been quoted between £300 and £450 for the prototype (not including the plate). This is just about affordable for me at the moment.
4. I can't get the prototype made until early July due to my GCSE exams.
5. Platforms for stock Filco plate may not be in the final design. Please post here if you would genuinely use the stock plate over a custom plate that mounts better and allows you to remove the top half of switches without desoldering. I don't have quotes on the plates yet but I doubt they would be too pricey.
6. There is a possibility of the object in the picture below making an appearance in the prototype. If I ever make more then it won't be there in order to cut down the price. All depends on how much it will add to the costs - I would personally love to have it in the design so if it's within my budget I will put it in. Any guesses what it is?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Acanthophis on Wed, 01 May 2013, 17:49:07
Any guesses what it is?
A heavier metal alloy than aluminium for additional weight inside the bottom tray of the case?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 May 2013, 17:51:49
yeah, brass
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 01 May 2013, 17:53:52
Any guesses what it is?
A heavier metal alloy than aluminium for additional weight inside the bottom tray of the case?
I made it too easy, didn't I?

Oh, and I forgot to put in the update post that there's only a possibility of it being in the prototype. If more ever get made the brass/stainless steel plate won't be implemented.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 01 May 2013, 18:06:27
Brass weight like the 356CL!

I think the custom plates with the solderless switch design is a better idea vs the Filco plate. And I'm loving that design mang. Nice work mate :D
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 01 May 2013, 18:23:40
Brass weight like the 356CL!

I think the custom plates with the solderless switch design is a better idea vs the Filco plate. And I'm loving that design mang. Nice work mate :D
Thanks man! It actually was the 356CL that inspired me to put it in. I was looking at it for about the 1000th time the other day and thought : Man I've gotta put an awesome brass plate like that in the prototype.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 May 2013, 06:06:04
Ahaha, I do the same thing. Prolly check out the 356 boards once a week.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: korrelate on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:46:49
I didn't say it was better than USB, just that it was better than mini USB. Although I do think it is better than USB because it is a smaller and cleaner connection. But it's better than mini because it's smaller, sturdier, and has a higher disconnect capability than mini.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Mini_and_Micro_connectors
Regular size USB doesn't work since it's so damned big, not easy to stick in a keyboard where you have minimal bezel size.

mini USB can be painful because you are supposed to engineer the housing to supply the vast majority of physical support.

micro USB provides some improvement to mini, but primarily by making it easier for the housing to provide the physical support.

Thanks. I'll look into it further. From what you've said micro sounds great.


Just a quick idea here: I found a site through GH that sells custom cables (can't remember the name) but one of the things that really stuck out here was a quick-disconnect option that he seems to be selling. The idea is basically: run usb-to-QuickDisconnect from the interior of the case to the exterior and then let the user pick the connection he would like; quick-disconnect to USB, microUSB or miniUSB (or even PS/2)?

If at all possible, I'd have to say this idea has some real legs. The MTBF of a USB connection can't be anywhere near the MTBF of the Quick Disconnect.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:50:19

Just a quick idea here: I found a site through GH that sells custom cables (can't remember the name) but one of the things that really stuck out here was a quick-disconnect option that he seems to be selling. The idea is basically: run usb-to-QuickDisconnect from the interior of the case to the exterior and then let the user pick the connection he would like; quick-disconnect to USB, microUSB or miniUSB (or even PS/2)?

If at all possible, I'd have to say this idea has some real legs. The MTBF of a USB connection can't be anywhere near the MTBF of the Quick Disconnect.
Thanks for the feedback but the USB mounting is completely set in stone. A breakoutboard screwed directly into the case will be solid and I'm very happy with the current USB design.

Also, having a micro usb port is a much more elegant solution. It may give people less options but I'm confident that everyone will be happy with micro usb.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: ishtob on Sun, 12 May 2013, 23:07:03
I've also read that micro usb is able to take a lot more stress than mini usb ports
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 13 May 2013, 05:37:17
I've also read that micro usb is able to take a lot more stress than mini usb ports
That's a bonus but I mainly chose it due to the fact that the cable won't come out unless you want it to. The same can't really be said for mini usb.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 13 May 2013, 05:52:30
Any guesses what it is?
I made it too easy, didn't I?

This was the riddle of the century. What screws down to the bottom, adds weight, and brass colored?

It can't be a brass plate. It must be keycaps  ^-^
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 13 May 2013, 06:27:07
Any guesses what it is?
I made it too easy, didn't I?

This was the riddle of the century. What screws down to the bottom, adds weight, and brass colored?

It can't be a brass plate. It must be keycaps  ^-^
Hahaha.. I shouldn't have made it brass coloured. It's blatantly obvious that it is in fact the elusive case-sized brass keycap.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Moosecraft on Mon, 27 May 2013, 10:24:33
How's it going with this case?
Sorry if it's been answered before in the thread.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 27 May 2013, 10:32:44
How's it going with this case?
Sorry if it's been answered before in the thread.
Design is done and I have found a place to machine it. Prototype will be costing me between £150-300 for the machining and around £100 for materials. I'm literally just waiting until my GCSE exams are over and then I'll concentrate on getting the prototype made.

I haven't actually posted any pictures of the case itself in a while, so here are a few. It should give a good idea of how it's going to look.

(http://i.imgur.com/7J4JqXs.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/M0OFMLK.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/8VxFIJD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/O3sGvvp.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/UtfNIQx.png)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: rindorbrot on Mon, 27 May 2013, 10:40:08
I want it now!!!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 27 May 2013, 10:49:01
I want it now!!!
I do too, man. This case is the first component of my dream keyboard. Unfortunately we've just got to be patient :(
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: rindorbrot on Mon, 27 May 2013, 10:52:49
I know that I have to wait :(

Have you decided, which color options will be available?
And what about plate layouts, can we get some one of a kind ones?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 27 May 2013, 11:00:33
I know that I have to wait :(

Have you decided, which color options will be available?
And what about plate layouts, can we get some one of a kind ones?
Anything is possible just remember that lower quantities costs more. I'm happy to design any plate layouts and have them made as long as you pay what it costs me. Anodising options will come at a later date since I haven't yet found a place to get anodising done and colours vary from company to company.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: dirge on Tue, 28 May 2013, 04:35:39
The front elevation is quite high, My vortex is only 2.2mm'ish
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:39:36
The front elevation is quite high, My vortex is only 2.2mm'ish
You're right. The case is extremely high profile, 32mm at the front as shown in one of the pictures. This is due to the brass plate and because I love the look of high profile cases. I think a wrist rest is something you'd want to use with this case.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: rindorbrot on Tue, 28 May 2013, 05:50:56
How about a matching wrist rest then? ;)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Moosecraft on Tue, 28 May 2013, 06:06:32
Wow if it's to high to use without a wristrest I won't be able to use it becuase if I would use a wristrest I would get so much carpal tunnel problems again...
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 06:09:17
How about a matching wrist rest then? ;)
Next thing I'm going to do, along with a numpad case if I can get the money.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 28 May 2013, 08:40:23
I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but technically, for the 7bit layout, you'd need all of those bars between escape and the function row gone.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 08:43:14
I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but technically, for the 7bit layout, you'd need all of those bars between escape and the function row gone.
Yeah, I didn't realise that when I started this but I know now. I haven't made 7bit or winkey tops for the current design yet.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 28 May 2013, 08:47:01
The truth is, I almost like it like that. For me, personally, I would leave the one between escape and the function keys, and cut out all the rest.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 08:57:36
The truth is, I almost like it like that. For me, personally, I would leave the one between escape and the function keys, and cut out all the rest.
Like this?
(http://i.imgur.com/z40vJzB.png)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 28 May 2013, 09:05:32
Mmmm, yes!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 28 May 2013, 09:19:33
Actually, like this...

(http://i.imgur.com/YR5qvAY.png)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 09:21:15
Actually, like this...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YR5qvAY.png)

I meant moose's ideal layout. I'm aware 7bit has no gap between the esc and function row.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 28 May 2013, 09:25:34
Actually, like this...

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YR5qvAY.png)

I meant moose's ideal layout. I'm aware 7bit has no gap between the esc and function row.

Ah, okay. Well, the "7bit" one works for my HHK150 design, as well, so that's the one I would want. I think moose ordered a HHK150 plate also.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 28 May 2013, 09:30:01
I did, but there are things I don't like about it. For instance, the split backspace. (That might actually be the only thing...?)

And technically, the one he posted as my ideal would work with your plate as well, by my calculations. The space between Esc and F Row is one key. That would leave the rest open, adding one additional key after the function keys.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 09:31:06
I did, but there are things I don't like about it. For instance, the split backspace. (That might actually be the only thing...?)

And technically, the one he posted as my ideal would work with your plate as well, by my calculations. The space between Esc and F Row is one key. That would leave the rest open, adding one additional key after the function keys.
Correct. The gap is 1x, so by having it you'd just be losing one key. The layout would still work aside from that.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 28 May 2013, 10:00:14
Actually, I would like something like this, with 1.5x blockers on the ends. Moose?

(http://i.imgur.com/bM2Ii6i.png)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 10:02:14
Actually, I would like something like this, with 1.5x blockers on the ends. Moose?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bM2Ii6i.png)

Wow. That's something I've never seen before. I like it!

Like I said to someone earlier I'm happy to make any plate/top adjustments and have them made. Just understand that it'll most likely cost extra if the quantities are lower.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 28 May 2013, 10:03:11
With the block between Esc and F row, I think that would be pretty darn nice.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 10:09:46
With esc gap : http://i.imgur.com/xXdxK1o.png

Without esc gap : http://i.imgur.com/YUlg3cR.png
Title: .
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 28 May 2013, 10:14:40
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Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 28 May 2013, 10:22:24
With esc gap : http://i.imgur.com/xXdxK1o.png

(Attachment Link)
(http://img.pandawhale.com/49105-Wat-pigeon-UZjb.jpeg)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: dirge on Tue, 28 May 2013, 14:27:46
Actually, I would like something like this, with 1.5x blockers on the ends. Moose?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bM2Ii6i.png)


love it!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: SmallFry on Tue, 28 May 2013, 14:29:57
Actually, I would like something like this, with 1.5x blockers on the ends. Moose?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bM2Ii6i.png)

U cray cray bro. CRAY CRAY.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 29 May 2013, 11:15:33
Dirge made me think about how high profile the case is. I think 32mm at the front is a little on the extreme side so I've lowered the case 5mm. It's still high profile but not quite as extreme. This did, however, mean I had to make the brass plate 5mm thick instead of 8mm thick. Not too big of a deal though.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: remedyhalopc on Wed, 29 May 2013, 11:27:31
IMO the lower the profile the better.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 29 May 2013, 11:30:45
IMO the lower the profile the better.
2cm is pretty much as low as you can go. Around 8-10mm for the top cover and another 10mm for pcb clearance and say a 2mm base. I think the extra few mm to have a heavier case an a badass brass plate is worth it though.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Wraul on Wed, 29 May 2013, 11:31:27
Actually, I would like something like this, with 1.5x blockers on the ends. Moose?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bM2Ii6i.png)


Finally a sane person.
I always though about how great a case like this would be.
Hate reaching for that bottom left ctrl. And everything I hate should be eradicated.
Apparently I'm not alone in thinking this.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: dirge on Wed, 29 May 2013, 13:20:48
Dirge made me think about how high profile the case is. I think 32mm at the front is a little on the extreme side so I've lowered the case 5mm. It's still high profile but not quite as extreme. This did, however, mean I had to make the brass plate 5mm thick instead of 8mm thick. Not too big of a deal though.

My vortex feels very nice with a filco wrist rest and dca keys :)

(http://i.imgur.com/U5vUo.jpg) thats the holy grail.  Colour everything, just right.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 29 May 2013, 13:32:40
Dirge made me think about how high profile the case is. I think 32mm at the front is a little on the extreme side so I've lowered the case 5mm. It's still high profile but not quite as extreme. This did, however, mean I had to make the brass plate 5mm thick instead of 8mm thick. Not too big of a deal though.

My vortex feels very nice with a filco wrist rest and dca keys :)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/U5vUo.jpg)
thats the holy grail.  Colour everything, just right.
For me everything about that board is perfect. The windowed black on beige, the red escape, winkeyless and aluminium. The only thing I would change is the colour. I'd just make it slightly darker.

The 356CL really was what I was aiming for with this case.

The profile should be similar to your vortex, maybe a tad higher.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 May 2013, 14:02:14
Actually, I would like something like this, with 1.5x blockers on the ends. Moose?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bM2Ii6i.png)

U cray cray bro. CRAY CRAY.


Am I crazy, or am I the most sane person you know. Also, since I am future-you, wouldn't that make you crazy, by extension?

If I'm going to use the HHKB layout on my GH60's, I should use it on my Phantom, too. That way I won't have to switch back and forth between layouts.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/WhiteFireDragon/keyboard/plates/HHK150.png)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 29 May 2013, 14:10:31
Actually, I would like something like this, with 1.5x blockers on the ends. Moose?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bM2Ii6i.png)

U cray cray bro. CRAY CRAY.


Am I crazy, or am I the most sane person you know. Also, since I am future-you, wouldn't that make you crazy, by extension?
Dammit, I hate when you're right like that. I suppose I'm just opposed to the seperate backspace of the HHKB layouts, but good idea. I like the way you (really future me) think. :P

Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Acetrak on Wed, 29 May 2013, 14:37:33
\ = BS is where it's at SmallFry
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 May 2013, 14:42:41
\ = BS is where it's at SmallFry

Backslash is up there by the tilde.  :P
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Acetrak on Wed, 29 May 2013, 15:13:23
You crazy jd

Using the ANSI \ | key as backspace is what the cool kids do =)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 19 June 2013, 02:03:56
Absolute final update before the prototype gets made - I mean it this time. Exams will be completely over on monday and then I will be focusing on getting this made as soon as humanly possible.

Here's the update : Brass plate changed so that it can be securely mounted AND show through the bottom without making the case much thicker. The case is 3cm at the front now. Below you can see the new plate design.

(http://i.imgur.com/Q5Y9KxD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/0vf7b2i.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/t3Nm7kV.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Xlk1RaV.png)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 20 June 2013, 12:06:33
At what height is the plate on the front side from the ground?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 20 June 2013, 12:10:36
At what height is the plate on the front side from the ground?
Switch plate is just around 22mm from the ground at the front.

8.5mm~ is for clearance for the PCB, the other 13mm is thickness of the base.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 20 June 2013, 13:08:51
Sounds pretty high for me, especially if you add high profile keycaps (SA).
What do others think?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: rindorbrot on Thu, 20 June 2013, 13:30:17
13mm base? that sounds quite massive. I suspect with the brass plate you could shave some mm's off and it would still be heavy enough.
3cm at the front is to high for me, I wouldn't want to use a wrist rest.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 20 June 2013, 15:00:20
I could make the base 3mm thinner but I wouldn't want to go any further. Besides, have any of you actually tried typing at this height? I have elevated my current (awful) keyboard to a height of 3cm and it's absolutely fine even without a wrist rest.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 20 June 2013, 15:09:38
Okay, have made it 25mm. The reason I have done this is because I forgot about the rubber feet. These will raise the case a few mm. With these feet the case should now be about 27mm.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Acanthophis on Thu, 20 June 2013, 16:52:34
With rubber feet it's at 27mm height at frontside of case?
Yeah, I can live with that ;)
What's the estimated weight?

I just love your case, can't wait for the prototype. =]
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 20 June 2013, 17:05:10
With rubber feet it's at 27mm height at frontside of case?
Yeah, I can live with that ;)
What's the estimated weight?

I just love your case, can't wait for the prototype. =]
Yeah the rubber feet are about 4 or 5mm but the spaces for them are 2mm into the case so it will be around 27-28mm in the end. I'm afraid I don't really know how to give an estimate weight.. i'd have to calculate the volume which would take a long time. Thanks for the compliments :)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Batmann on Sat, 22 June 2013, 16:36:06
I missed the update and I realized I mixed tek-60 and tek-80!
very nice again, how sharp will edges be? Will they be more beveled than on the Skeldom?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 22 June 2013, 23:28:08
I missed the update and I realized I mixed tek-60 and tek-80!
very nice again, how sharp will edges be? Will they be more beveled than on the Skeldom?
There will be a bevel. I ofc don't want the edges to be sharp but I don't want too much of a bevel. It'll most likely be quite small but this is something I'll be discussing with the person who's machining it.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Jupiter on Sun, 23 June 2013, 20:32:31
Compared to Boosts case, how much will this cost do you think?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 24 June 2013, 02:02:13
Compared to Boosts case, how much will this cost do you think?
Can't really say at the minute since I've only got quotes for prototypes. Prototypes always cost more than multiples. I think it will probably cost more though but I can't say for certain.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 24 June 2013, 05:47:54
Just to let you know...

EXAMS ARE OVER!

(http://i.imgur.com/xaOw207.gif)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Batmann on Mon, 24 June 2013, 06:15:09
I can already smell hot aluminum from here!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 25 June 2013, 16:05:50
Quite a huge update.

Got a final quote for £300 including materials for the three CNC parts. He just needs to order some parts from China which will take a week or two. I should be getting it machined in just over two weeks!

(Note that this is the prototyping cost and if I ever sell these they will most likely be cheaper)

Still haven't found anywhere to get anodising/laser cutting done but I'll be on the hunt. If anyone knows anywhere within the UK it'd be appreciated if you could let me know.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: 4LI4Z on Wed, 26 June 2013, 09:12:02
That are good news! I'm excited if this case will ever be for sale.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Moosecraft on Sat, 29 June 2013, 18:40:21
Very excited, thinking about putting an ISO Filco in this  :p
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 29 June 2013, 20:40:48
awesome news pho! excited to see it pan out! :)
you've worked super hard bro
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: 4LI4Z on Sun, 30 June 2013, 07:32:53
Very excited, thinking about putting an ISO Filco in this  :p

+1 on this, ISO FTW!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Tym on Sun, 30 June 2013, 07:38:55
Quite a huge update.

Got a final quote for £300 including materials for the three CNC parts. He just needs to order some parts from China which will take a week or two. I should be getting it machined in just over two weeks!

(Note that this is the prototyping cost and if I ever sell these they will most likely be cheaper)

Still haven't found anywhere to get anodising/laser cutting done but I'll be on the hunt. If anyone knows anywhere within the UK it'd be appreciated if you could let me know.

Do you have any colleges/uni's near you? Alot of places will let you borrow there machines for not much money.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 30 June 2013, 09:47:01
Do you have any colleges/uni's near you? Alot of places will let you borrow there machines for not much money.
I contacted one university and they quoted me about £450+ for it. That was when the design was more simple too.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 19 July 2013, 05:35:49
Anything new?
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 19 July 2013, 05:37:07
Anything new?
Just more waiting... :'(
Machinist is just waiting for cutters to arrive from China.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 19 July 2013, 08:36:35
Anything new?
Just more waiting... :'(
Machinist is just waiting for cutters to arrive from China.
AH! The waiting game... Well it gives me time to get monies and the Phantom build!
Still can't wait to see it!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 19 July 2013, 08:47:56
I do have one update. I'll be getting two plates made very soon (next week hopefully) and I have a KMAC PCB coming my way. When the plates arrive and the KMAC arrives I can start building :D and then when the Phantom arrives I can start building the second plate/pcb combo.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 27 July 2013, 17:19:37
The production of the prototype has started!!!!!! The plate is the first part.. Only the small text has been done so far, large text will be done tonight or tomorrow. I'll ofc update with pictures once it's done.

(http://i.imgur.com/eNbbd8g.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TgtQeXN.jpg)

I'm so happy to be seeing this become a reality. I cannot wait until the rest of the pieces are finished!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: codyeatworld on Sat, 27 July 2013, 17:28:44
Congrats Photekq! That brass looks hott! I haven't followed this thread too much and I'm really impressed how it came along.

I need to get a phantom just for this case!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: 4LI4Z on Sat, 27 July 2013, 17:31:01
That looks fantastic. Just have to see it fully assembled, going to be the nicest case ever.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 27 July 2013, 17:43:32
Beautiful!  I've been following this thread for a while, as someone who owns a bunch of Filcos and loves metal cases.  Really looking forward to the part where we might obtain one of your creations!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: mashby on Sat, 27 July 2013, 17:49:16
Wow. That looks amazing. So awesome seeing this come together. Impressive!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 27 July 2013, 17:57:34
Thanks for the kind words guys. I imagine it'll look even nicer one the TEK-80 text is on there, and even more so once it's been polished/finished.

@photoelectric I seriously doubt any more of these will be made, sorry.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 27 July 2013, 17:59:47
Ah well, there's always hope!  But I shall definitely admire it on your photos, so post lots!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 27 July 2013, 18:25:34
Ah well, there's always hope!  But I shall definitely admire it on your photos, so post lots!
If I do sell them they'll be extremely limited - most likely only 3-5. My custom switch plates will be arriving next week, they then need to be anodised. Once I receive the anodised plates I'll start assembling - a build log will follow with every picture you could possibly want :D
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - 7bit and winkeyless - PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 27 July 2013, 18:28:37
Looks good Photekq!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 27 July 2013, 19:01:21
TEK-80 text has been added!

(http://i.imgur.com/qYXkyNs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZLsO4jW.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 27 July 2013, 19:15:29
Congrats brutha, looking great so far  :cool:
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 27 July 2013, 19:51:45
Looks great. Were you present during the milling to take those pics? This prototype must have cost at least half a grand for all metal parts.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 27 July 2013, 20:01:15
Looks great. Were you present during the milling to take those pics? This prototype must have cost at least half a grand for all metal parts.
I wasn't. We've been talking over the entire process through skype and he's been sending me regular picture updates.

The prototype cost me just over £300 including materials (about £50 alu, £30 brass). This is just for the CNC parts. I have laser cut plates coming next week, and I don't yet know how much finishing/polishing/anodising will cost.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Xenderwind on Sat, 27 July 2013, 22:20:39
Looks great, I'd love to see how much this costs if it ever goes to GB :D.
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 28 July 2013, 12:26:09
I will spend all the moneys for this!
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 28 July 2013, 13:12:11
**** maybe I should keep my Filco....
Title: Re: Aluminium Filco/Phantom Case - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 28 July 2013, 13:17:16
**** maybe I should keep my Filco....
I should maybe change the thread title...

This case is no longer just for the Filco/Phantom. It will work with ANY TKL PCB, and it also allows any TKL PCB to have a detachable micro usb cable. However, it will require a custom plate.

I will be using it with the KMAC PCB and a Phantom PCB. The KMAC does require slight modification : you need to cut off the part of the PCB that extends outwards for the USB connector.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 28 July 2013, 13:32:03
I will be using it with the KMAC PCB and a Phantom PCB. The KMAC does require slight modification : you need to cut off the part of the PCB that extends outwards for the USB connector.

Umm just letting you know it won't work with ANY Korean TKL, including all KMACs, LZ, 356s, or A87s. The PCB dimensions are not the same as mass-produced keyboards.

I just thought I'd correct this statement so no one gets sorely disappointed after spending so much money this case.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 28 July 2013, 13:35:16
Umm just letting you know it won't work with ANY Korean TKL, including all KMACs, LZ, 356s, or A87s. The PCB dimensions are not the same as mass-produced keyboards.

I just thought I'd correct this statement so no one gets sorely disappointed after spending so much money this case.
How do you mean? Are you saying they won't fit, or is it due to switch spacing etc? I've made the area where the PCB goes quite a lot larger than the phantom, filco pcbs. I've measured my KMAC PCB and it will fit with the exception of the USB connector which, as I've said before, I'll have to cut off.

EDIT : I've measured the switch spacing on my KMAC PCB - it's the exact same as my plates. I've measured the dimensions of the KMAC PCB that I have - it will definitely fit inside the case.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sun, 28 July 2013, 14:44:00
How do you mean? Are you saying they won't fit, or is it due to switch spacing etc? I've made the area where the PCB goes quite a lot larger than the phantom, filco pcbs. I've measured my KMAC PCB and it will fit with the exception of the USB connector which, as I've said before, I'll have to cut off.

EDIT : I've measured the switch spacing on my KMAC PCB - it's the exact same as my plates. I've measured the dimensions of the KMAC PCB that I have - it will definitely fit inside the case.


The plate you prototyped is based off the original file I sent you. I designed that plate for Phantom PCB to fit inside Filco/CM case. They do not fit KMAC or any other Korean PCBs.

You're right that switch spacing is the same... it has to be because all keyboards use standard spacing of 19.05mm between each 1x key size. However, look closely at the empty spacing between the function row and the number row. Spacing is different between Korean designed PCBs and Filco/CM/Phantom, or any other mass produced keyboards.

KMAC PCB might "fit" inside this case, but that's because it's smaller than Filco/Phantom PCB. Not only will it be loose, you'll need a different plate for it.
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 28 July 2013, 14:51:41
Well dang. You're right. I never would've noticed that if you hadn't pointed it out..

It could be made to work if I had a new top part + plate made, but it might not be worth it at this point. I guess I'll just have to wait for the Phantom to arrive (god knows when).
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 28 July 2013, 15:42:36
I was considering quickly changing the top piece, and getting a new plate so the KMAC PCB could be used since I have no idea when the Phantom is coming. However, my machinist has already done the top piece :)) oh well.. I guess I'll just wait for the phantom.

On the bright side.. It looks awesome.

(http://i.imgur.com/tgraYmf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/d8BAJax.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cgr5juV.jpg)
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Post by: Batmann on Sun, 28 July 2013, 15:44:05
congrats Photek! I can't wait to see the final result
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Post by: UniClown on Sun, 28 July 2013, 15:45:12
I was considering quickly changing the top piece, and getting a new plate so the KMAC PCB could be used since I have no idea when the Phantom is coming. However, my machinist has already done the top piece :)) oh well.. I guess I'll just wait for the phantom.

On the bright side.. It looks awesome.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/tgraYmf.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/d8BAJax.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/cgr5juV.jpg)


'Tis more than awesome. 'Tis beautiful.
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Post by: agodinhost on Sun, 28 July 2013, 16:19:43
I was considering quickly changing the top piece, and getting a new plate so the KMAC PCB could be used since I have no idea when the Phantom is coming. However, my machinist has already done the top piece :)) oh well.. I guess I'll just wait for the phantom.

On the bright side.. It looks awesome.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/tgraYmf.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/d8BAJax.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/cgr5juV.jpg)

Awesome pictures!
I always wanted to see how it was done ...
thanks man!
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 28 July 2013, 16:37:16
congrats Photek! I can't wait to see the final result
Thanks batman :) I can't wait either :D

I was considering quickly changing the top piece, and getting a new plate so the KMAC PCB could be used since I have no idea when the Phantom is coming. However, my machinist has already done the top piece :)) oh well.. I guess I'll just wait for the phantom.

On the bright side.. It looks awesome.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/tgraYmf.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/d8BAJax.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cgr5juV.jpg)

Awesome pictures!
I always wanted to see how it was done ...
thanks man!
Yeah, it's pretty cool to see it during machining.

I was considering quickly changing the top piece, and getting a new plate so the KMAC PCB could be used since I have no idea when the Phantom is coming. However, my machinist has already done the top piece :)) oh well.. I guess I'll just wait for the phantom.

On the bright side.. It looks awesome.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/tgraYmf.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/d8BAJax.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/cgr5juV.jpg)


'Tis more than awesome. 'Tis beautiful.
;)
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Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 28 July 2013, 16:40:00
Awesome pictures!  Looks really great, nice work.  :)  Looking forward to it all coming together.
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Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 29 July 2013, 08:50:57
I want one, so I can have it anodized like this!
Do GMK purple mods with EKs blue WASD and Enter.... OH  ^-^
(http://i.imgur.com/O1tBXaW.jpg)
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 29 July 2013, 08:53:32
I want one, so I can have it anodized like this!
Do GMK purple mods with EKs blue WASD and Enter.... OH  ^-^
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/O1tBXaW.jpg)

That would be so, so awesome, although I'm afraid you can't really do anodising like that. Another thing.. The case will most likely cost you £400+ and postage on top of that which is extremely, extremely costly. You could get a KMAC 2 kit, switches, keycaps and stabs for that price.
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Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 29 July 2013, 08:56:10
I want one, so I can have it anodized like this!
Do GMK purple mods with EKs blue WASD and Enter.... OH  ^-^
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/O1tBXaW.jpg)

That would be so, so awesome, although I'm afraid you can't really do anodising like that. Another thing.. The case will most likely cost you £400+ and postage on top of that which is extremely, extremely costly. You could get a KMAC 2 kit, switches, keycaps and stabs for that price.
Yeah... Oh well. I guess my Hammer case will have to do! Either way Pho that case is coming along nice!
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 29 July 2013, 08:58:24
Yeah... Oh well. I guess my Hammer case will have to do! Either way Pho that case is coming along nice!
Thank you man! I appreciate it :)

You COULD get it powder coated like that by the way.
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Post by: Tym on Mon, 29 July 2013, 09:07:46
When will you have it in-hand?
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 29 July 2013, 09:09:59
When will you have it in-hand?
Hard to say really. It all depends how long it takes him to do the bottom piece which is the most complex piece. Could be done this weekend, next weekend or the weekend after. I'll be going to pick it up personally once it's done. Then it needs to be sent off to be finished + anodised.
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Post by: Moosecraft on Mon, 29 July 2013, 10:17:38
Be sure to take pics of it before you send it off :)
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Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 29 July 2013, 10:58:21
I hope you will be able to lift your keyboard from your desk!  Actually it might be a good anti-theft property of the custom case--so heavy, you can't grab it and walk away with it :)
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Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 29 July 2013, 12:14:21
Yeah... Oh well. I guess my Hammer case will have to do! Either way Pho that case is coming along nice!
Thank you man! I appreciate it :)

You COULD get it powder coated like that by the way.
You know I didn't think of that... and there is a local powdercoat place... Wait!!! They do Hydrographics too... Multicam? Carbon fiber?  :eek:
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 29 July 2013, 19:23:06
Be sure to take pics of it before you send it off :)
Of course!

I hope you will be able to lift your keyboard from your desk!  Actually it might be a good anti-theft property of the custom case--so heavy, you can't grab it and walk away with it :)
The case itself is estimated at 3.5kg, so around 4kg with everything installed. Pretty darn heavy..

You know I didn't think of that... and there is a local powdercoat place... Wait!!! They do Hydrographics too... Multicam? Carbon fiber?  :eek:
:O hydrographics are really sweet. There's loads of options, I just know that you can't really do patterns with anodising since it's a chemical process.

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Post by: Photekq on Tue, 30 July 2013, 05:19:49
The two plates I ordered have arrived. Just need to get them anodised.

(http://i.imgur.com/OuatAtz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/W4AeKZE.jpg)
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Post by: Tym on Tue, 30 July 2013, 05:32:07
Hydro with brass is kinda pointless because most of its use is covering up cheap plastics to make them look like carbon fibre, yet you have a beautiful case here. Don't do it!,
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Post by: Photekq on Tue, 30 July 2013, 05:34:19
Hydro with brass is kinda pointless because most of its use is covering up cheap plastics to make them look like carbon fibre, yet you have a beautiful case here. Don't do it!,
I wasn't planning on it, don't worry! Anodising all the way for me.
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Post by: Batmann on Tue, 30 July 2013, 07:13:07
The two plates I ordered have arrived. Just need to get them anodised.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OuatAtz.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/W4AeKZE.jpg)


Well this is going to be pretty unique, really.
I might pop up and steal your windowed keycaps though!
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Post by: Photekq on Tue, 30 July 2013, 08:49:51
Well this is going to be pretty unique, really.
I might pop up and steal your windowed keycaps though!
:)) The windowed caps are my all time favourites. So glad I have them..


I think I've found a workaround for that KMAC problem. It isn't perfect, but since I don't have the money for a new top piece + plate it's better than nothing, especially since I have no idea when bavman will ship my phantom.

There's a section of the KMAC PCB at the top that has no traces, I'm going to remove this part. I'll also remove the plastic bumps on the bottom of each F-row switch. I'm almost certain this will give the switches room to sit in the plate - it definitely looks like it will. I'll then simply wire the switches to the PCB. It's not perfect, but it should work absolutely fine.
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Post by: oTurtlez on Tue, 30 July 2013, 09:30:25
Looking great so far, can't wait to see a finished product :) Might have to snag one for my phantom ;)
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Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 30 July 2013, 14:55:43
Dem Windowed Caps

Happy to see this almost completed!  ^-^
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Post by: Photekq on Wed, 07 August 2013, 12:32:11
First photo of the base. Note that the angle has not yet been added, and most of the machining you see here is the roughing passes. The final finish will be much tidier.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ht08025.jpg)
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Post by: Tym on Wed, 07 August 2013, 12:45:21
Looks beautiful mate :D
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Post by: Photekq on Wed, 07 August 2013, 13:00:31
Looks beautiful mate :D
Thanks man :)
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Post by: codyeatworld on Wed, 07 August 2013, 13:28:02
I really enjoy seeing photos of the process. Very cool stuff!
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Post by: Batmann on Wed, 07 August 2013, 17:32:31
Sweeeet,
You must be dying to get the final result, that's a very entertaining project!
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:35:49
I can almost taste it now.. My machinist sent me these a little bit earlier. There are still a few things to be done, but it should be completed next weekend. Then it just needs to be anodised/finished.

(http://i.imgur.com/OCcpWur.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RJU3uR7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TwYvJwq.png)
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:36:58
Your going to have yourself one sweet keyboard case!!
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Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:38:30
I can almost taste it now.. My machinist sent me these a little bit earlier. There are still a few things to be done, but it should be completed next weekend. Then it just needs to be anodised/finished.
More
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OCcpWur.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/RJU3uR7.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TwYvJwq.png)

  :eek:  WOW.  Very nice.  :D
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Post by: Xenderwind on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:40:18
So close!  Looks great so far.  Any idea what color you're going to get it anodized?
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:40:55
So close!  Looks great so far.  Any idea what color you're going to get it anodized?
Grey! (like this! (http://i.imgur.com/oSVJ1DN.png))
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:44:51
Does your machinist do anodization as well? And I assume he's doing the finishing?
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Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:46:13
So close!  Looks great so far.  Any idea what color you're going to get it anodized?
Grey! (like this! (https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=49f53db5ce&view=att&th=140970ae49d578b3&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=f_hkjslwoi0&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P9gh9Izm1CTLaat2fnwEXqY&sadet=1376948118197&sads=iAKuvdxz8M4QqxwgIjOlt6Z705I&sadssc=1))

Not sure that's a valid link.
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:47:13
Does your machinist do anodization as well? And I assume he's doing the finishing?
Both finishing and anodising will be done by someone else. My machinist isn't part of a company, he just owns a machine and does it as a hobby. He doesn't own any finishing/anodising equipment.
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 19 August 2013, 16:48:34
Not sure that's a valid link.
My bad! Fixed :)
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Post by: Photekq on Mon, 19 August 2013, 17:13:42
And for those who are interested this is how the angle was machined. The case was made as a simple rectangle, then was mounted at a 6 degree angle. Then the angle was machined.

(http://i.imgur.com/YhEsp0q.jpg)
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Post by: UniClown on Mon, 19 August 2013, 19:32:59
I can almost taste it now.. My machinist sent me these a little bit earlier. There are still a few things to be done, but it should be completed next weekend. Then it just needs to be anodised/finished.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OCcpWur.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/RJU3uR7.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TwYvJwq.png)


I might have a mess in my pants.
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Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 19 August 2013, 19:47:27
Looking nice, can't wait to see what it looks like when it's done.
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Post by: mashby on Tue, 20 August 2013, 09:12:33
Looking nice, can't wait to see what it looks like when it's done.

Ditto. I was debating on selling my Phantom, but now you've got me thinking of building it so that I have a reason to buy this case.  :))
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Post by: Photekq on Tue, 20 August 2013, 09:13:33
Looking nice, can't wait to see what it looks like when it's done.

Ditto. I was debating on selling my Phantom, but now you've got me thinking of building it so that I have a reason to buy this case.  :))
Don't build it yet! It requires a custom plate to fit in this case! :))
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Post by: mashby on Tue, 20 August 2013, 09:19:38
Don't build it yet! It requires a custom plate to fit in this case! :))

Thank you for the reminder, but given the pace of my projects I have no doubt you'll be on your second round before I get it done.  :))
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 20 August 2013, 09:23:34
Does your machinist do anodization as well? And I assume he's doing the finishing?
Both finishing and anodising will be done by someone else. My machinist isn't part of a company, he just owns a machine and does it as a hobby. He doesn't own any finishing/anodising equipment.

Nice. Love all the updates man.

And for those who are interested this is how the angle was machined. The case was made as a simple rectangle, then was mounted at a 6 degree angle. Then the angle was machined.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YhEsp0q.jpg)


Love seeing chips being cut. It's more fun to do it yourself but machining metal is just sexy regardless.
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 13:45:22
The case has now been finished!

I'll be picking it up next weekend and checking everything works OK.

Then it's just the anodising that needs to be done!
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Post by: Tym on Sun, 25 August 2013, 13:58:45
Thats damn fine, do you have a total cost, or do you not want to know ? :3
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 14:00:56
Thats damn fine, do you have a total cost, or do you not want to know ? :3
Lookin' at about £400 without anodising/bead blasting, probably around £500 with. Might seem crazy to some but it's 100% worth it for me.
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Post by: Tym on Sun, 25 August 2013, 14:02:19
The awkward moment when you discover you love the ErgoDox the day before completion. Very nice brother.
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Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 25 August 2013, 14:02:55
The case has now been finished!

I'll be picking it up next weekend and checking everything works OK.

Then it's just the anodising that needs to be done!

gotta buy those LEDs bro
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 14:03:14
The awkward moment when you discover you love the ErgoDox the day before completion. Very nice brother.
:)) I've got a realforce coming soon from the DT euro tour. I will be heartbroken if I like topre more than mx.

gotta buy those LEDs bro
****.
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Post by: Moosecraft on Sun, 25 August 2013, 14:44:04
Thats damn fine, do you have a total cost, or do you not want to know ? :3
Lookin' at about £400 without anodising/bead blasting, probably around £500 with. Might seem crazy to some but it's 100% worth it for me.
Do you plan on doing a GB for these?
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 14:45:25
Do you plan on doing a GB for these?
There is a high possibility I will sell 2-5. It won't be a group buy, just a classified ad with limited numbers available.
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Post by: Moosecraft on Sun, 25 August 2013, 14:51:01
Do you plan on doing a GB for these?
There is a high possibility I will sell 2-5. It won't be a group buy, just a classified ad with limited numbers available.
Hope to pick one up for my phantom then :)
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Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 25 August 2013, 18:05:07
Looks fantastic, nice work!
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Post by: Tym on Sun, 25 August 2013, 18:08:29
Thats damn fine, do you have a total cost, or do you not want to know ? :3
Lookin' at about £400 without anodising/bead blasting, probably around £500 with. Might seem crazy to some but it's 100% worth it for me.
Just because I was speaking to an 'Murican who didn't realise $1=/=£1

£500 = $778.66 [As of this second]

Hope this helps, someone...maybe... :3
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 18:11:55
Looks fantastic, nice work!
Thank you leslie. Not just for your compliment, but for your input earlier on in this project. If it weren't for you I would've stuck with the standoff design, and the case would be nothing close to what it is now. In fact it probably wouldn't have even been made! Honestly, thank you so much. You encouraged me to explore alternatives.
Just because I was speaking to an 'Murican who didn't realise $1=/=£1

£500 = $778.66 [As of this second]

Hope this helps, someone...maybe... :3
Wow.. the price seems more vast when converted to USD :))
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Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 25 August 2013, 20:22:25
 I would kill for one of these cases, anodized in pink, one but I'll never be able to afford it :(  I can only live vicariously through all the awesome photos :D (Looking forward to more of them!!!)
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Post by: meiosis on Sun, 25 August 2013, 20:38:22
Damn how much was the total cost so far? Looks really nice, but I must say it looks similar to the KMAC 2 case and are you smoothing out the bottom of the brass bar? :|
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 25 August 2013, 20:43:31
If your case is done, I wanna see some pictures! I got to type on The_Beast's case and you're cutting/finishing yours. I'm soooo excited to see projects I had a small hand in come to fruition :D
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 20:48:49
Damn how much was the total cost so far? Looks really nice, but I must say it looks similar to the KMAC 2 case and are you smoothing out the bottom of the brass bar? :|
So far.. £400~, expecting the total cost to be £500. Brass bar will be bead blasted, removing the marks. The aluminium will also be bead blasted and anodised.

You're right, it does look similar to the KMAC 2 case. That's because I love the classic shape of the KMAC. However, the KMAC 2 doesn't have the following things :
-Fixed winkeyblockers.
-Brass plate
I could get earlier KMAC models with fixed winkeyblockers, however they use feet. I HATE feet.

The 456GT was the closest thing to my ideal case in that it has brass plates and winkeyblockers, however it's extremely rare and expensive. I also don't like styling of it, and the fact I can't get it in grey. It'd have to be reanodised grey which would add to its already hefty pricetag.

tldr;
KMAC doesn't have everything I want.
456GT reanodised in grey wouldn't be much cheaper. I also wouldn't like the styling as much.
I also loved designing this and learning CAD along the way.

The price tag is huge but in my eyes this case is perfection and so the price tag was justified.

If your case is done, I wanna see some pictures! I got to type on The_Beast's case and you're cutting/finishing yours. I'm soooo excited to see projects I had a small hand in come to fruition :D
Picking it up next weekend - THERE WILL BE PICS. It's then getting sent allllll the way to korea for anodising (**** uk anodisers)
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 25 August 2013, 20:54:06
Oooo, Korean anodization :D

So...bead blasted eh? Brass is soft and I figured it'd need something more gentle like walnut shells. Hm. Do you know why? Or does anyone else know?
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 20:56:47
walnut shells
:))

Polishing = shiny. I don't like shiny, so bead blasting instead. Also, the place who's doing the alu can also bead blast brass so it saves me shopping around.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 25 August 2013, 20:59:27
Wait what? I was under the impression walnut shell blasting was a gentler version of sand blasting. It polishes?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 21:00:37
If your case is done, I wanna see some pictures! I got to type on The_Beast's case and you're cutting/finishing yours. I'm soooo excited to see projects I had a small hand in come to fruition :D
Wait beast's case is a reality now? The metal one? I thought that was on hold due to extremely OTT costs?

Wait what? I was under the impression walnut shell blasting was a gentler version of sand blasting or shot peening. It polishes?
Wait what? I thought you were joking. They actually blast walnut shells at metal? Brb, need to look this up.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 25 August 2013, 21:02:37
The_Beast's case exists in wood and I tried that. It still is a real case so I consider it a success. And yes they really use walnut shells mate. I've seen it used when you're trying to media blast really thin sheets of metal because you can strip the paint/clean the marks without adding too much head and warping the metal.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 25 August 2013, 21:04:40
Crushed walnut shells are also generally what you use for polishing brass before reloading.  It can get things a little shiny.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 25 August 2013, 21:07:24
Interesting. INTERDESTING.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 21:10:57
The_Beast's case exists in wood and I tried that. It still is a real case so I consider it a success. And yes they really use walnut shells mate. I've seen it used when you're trying to media blast really thin sheets of metal because you can strip the paint/clean the marks without adding too much head and warping the metal.
Beast's wooden case was most certainly a success. It turned out really nice.
Crushed walnut shells are also generally what you use for polishing brass before reloading.  It can get things a little shiny.
Ahh.. I'll definitely give that a miss then.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: meiosis on Sun, 25 August 2013, 21:11:03
Damn how much was the total cost so far? Looks really nice, but I must say it looks similar to the KMAC 2 case and are you smoothing out the bottom of the brass bar? :|
So far.. £400~, expecting the total cost to be £500. Brass bar will be bead blasted, removing the marks. The aluminium will also be bead blasted and anodised.

You're right, it does look similar to the KMAC 2 case. That's because I love the classic shape of the KMAC. However, the KMAC 2 doesn't have the following things :
-Fixed winkeyblockers.
-Brass plate
I could get earlier KMAC models with fixed winkeyblockers, however they use feet. I HATE feet.

The 456GT was the closest thing to my ideal case in that it has brass plates and winkeyblockers, however it's extremely rare and expensive. I also don't like styling of it, and the fact I can't get it in grey. It'd have to be reanodised grey which would add to its already hefty pricetag.

tldr;
KMAC doesn't have everything I want.
456GT reanodised in grey wouldn't be much cheaper. I also wouldn't like the styling as much.
I also loved designing this and learning CAD along the way.

The price tag is huge but in my eyes this case is perfection and so the price tag was justified.

If your case is done, I wanna see some pictures! I got to type on The_Beast's case and you're cutting/finishing yours. I'm soooo excited to see projects I had a small hand in come to fruition :D
Picking it up next weekend - THERE WILL BE PICS. It's then getting sent allllll the way to korea for anodising (**** uk anodisers)

Actually the 456gt (case+pcb+plate) gb price was around $480-530 USD,

So you are doing quite well on saving.

As for me... I own the 456gt and already got my LZ-SE, I have to admit the bottom and height of the 456gt is at the very least awkward, I thought the KMAC2 was really sexy, but I love my metal inserts. You definitely cannot use SPH caps on it (the 456gt).

You have a really nice design, although rather than the brass plate in the middle perhaps have made it the border instead :) kind of like the inside of the lz-se but on the bottom Like a square within a square. Although then you couldn't have nice font on there.

As far as anodizing goes, I believe someone on the kbdmania forums who is quite famous gets his anodized in the States in Chicago, but I might be wrong.  Powder coating is also an option :).

Congrats on doing something new though :). Maybe go titanium instead of brass for that super super heavy keyboard haha
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 25 August 2013, 21:23:55
1. Actually the 456gt (case+pcb+plate) gb price was around $480-530 USD,

So you are doing quite well on saving.

As for me... I own the 456gt and already got my LZ-SE, I have to admit the bottom and height of the 456gt is at the very least awkward, I thought the KMAC2 was really sexy, but I love my metal inserts. You definitely cannot use SPH caps on it (the 456gt).

2. You have a really nice design, although rather than the brass plate in the middle perhaps have made it the border instead :) kind of like the inside of the lz-se but on the bottom Like a square within a square. Although then you couldn't have nice font on there.

3. As far as anodizing goes, I believe someone on the kbdmania forums who is quite famous gets his anodized in the States in Chicago, but I might be wrong.  Powder coating is also an option :).

4. Congrats on doing something new though :). Maybe go titanium instead of brass for that super super heavy keyboard haha
1. True, but who's gonna sell it for GB price? :)) Reanodising wouldn't be cheap either. I would probably save SOME money, but I am happy to pay the extra for a design I prefer. The 456GT is an extremely nice keyboard, but it isn't perfect for me. That's what I was going for. My own personal keyboard perfection.

2. Couldn't be done with how my brass plate is seated : http://i.imgur.com/kRm34Fa.png http://i.imgur.com/NHhskeg.png

3. I'm sure there are a lot of good places for anodising. I just had an incredibly hard time finding one and a kind forum member offered to help me out having it done in korea. Powder coating isn't an option for me.. Anodising has many advantages.

4. Thanks! I think titanium might be a little too far :)) my machinist might die.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: zenuty on Mon, 26 August 2013, 23:39:35
I can almost taste it now.. My machinist sent me these a little bit earlier. There are still a few things to be done, but it should be completed next weekend. Then it just needs to be anodised/finished.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OCcpWur.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/RJU3uR7.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TwYvJwq.png)


It Looks like a shine gold  :eek:
Your project awesom !! Great work !!
Fighting Photeq  :thumb:

Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 29 August 2013, 12:07:08
Last photos before I go and pick it up this sunday :D
(http://i.imgur.com/cPHknvE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pq8qvUC.jpg)
Anodising and bead blasting/polishing is the only thing left to be done :thumb:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: baezilisK on Sat, 31 August 2013, 15:09:08
omg it's sunday. :D:D

congrats dude, this was an excellent read. looks very nice.

i know you said you didn't really plan on selling these, but is there no way i could convince you to get another one made?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 31 August 2013, 15:12:48
omg it's sunday. :D:D

congrats dude, this was an excellent read. looks very nice.

i know you said you didn't really plan on selling these, but is there no way i could convince you to get another one made?
Thank you man :)

I think it's likely I will sell 1 or 2, but I will limit it to that since this thing will be so expensive and I doubt many people, if anyone, would want to pay so much..

It'll be about $775+shipping  :-[
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Tym on Sat, 31 August 2013, 15:14:15
I think he said he may do a GB for about 5 of them but obviously they are not cheap.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 31 August 2013, 15:15:20
I think he said he may do a GB for about 5 of them but obviously they are not cheap.
Yeah. It'll either be 1, 2, 3 or 4. It won't be a GB, just in the classifieds, since the numbers will be limited.

There is of course the possibility no more will be made. I obviously don't want to sell any until mine is anodised and mine is assembled so that I can show people the finished result. It all depends on when mine is finished really..
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Tym on Sat, 31 August 2013, 15:18:19
Ninja'd

:(

I think its still a GB even without the discount,  because a group of people are buying an object together?  :3
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 31 August 2013, 15:20:45
Ninja'd

:(

I think its still a GB even without the discount,  because a group of people are buying an object together?  :3
I'm not sure.. I was just thinking that I'd never seen a GB with such limited quantities. I mean it does kinda count as a GB as I'd be making practically no profit when shipping to & from anodiser was included etc.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 01 September 2013, 12:52:22
(http://i.imgur.com/vi4vWJZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RbdiN0Y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WSSt7sO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/m6cWTgK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HKNofeA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GimzUSm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uca9a8E.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/obqoQH9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3DsndiQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1P6U22d.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aWtikLB.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 01 September 2013, 12:55:28
So nice <3
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 01 September 2013, 13:18:39
So nice <3
Thanks :-*

I'm extremely happy with the final result. My machinist has done such an amazing job of this.. Everything from the chamfers to the engraving is perfect.

Thanks everyone for your feedback, advice and help from the beginning. I couldn't have done it without you guys!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 02 September 2013, 02:25:07
but will it blend?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: agodinhost on Mon, 02 September 2013, 07:53:46
AWESOME Man!
Congrats!
Really nice work ...
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: Moosecraft on Mon, 02 September 2013, 08:08:24
Dat weight..
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: baezilisK on Mon, 02 September 2013, 09:12:30
it's beautiful
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - MORE PROTOTYPE PICTURES IN!!!
Post by: UniClown on Mon, 02 September 2013, 12:39:52
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/WSSt7sO.jpg)


This picture blew me away
Congrats.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: SeriouSSpotS on Mon, 02 September 2013, 12:46:38
That is one awesome looking case.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 03 September 2013, 12:21:28
After hours and hours and hours and hours of phoning up about 25 anodising companies I have FINALLY got a reasonable quote. Should be sending the case off to them this week, so expect to see the finished TEK-80 some time soon!

Everything's being bead blasted/polished and the alu is being hard anodised grey.

Thanks again everyone for your help and encouragement.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 03 September 2013, 12:31:02
Congrats man! I can't wait to see how it turns out :D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: Moosecraft on Tue, 03 September 2013, 13:26:53
Your case is going to turn out super awesome, I'm mad jelly.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 04 September 2013, 05:54:30
This is beautiful!

Excellent work!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 04 September 2013, 19:33:23
godspeed usps, may the solda pullt arrive soon

also, congrats on the keeperS of the faith, wish i was not afk for that
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: segfaultless on Thu, 05 September 2013, 14:53:20
I am looking forward to seeing the final product. Are you thinking of making a GB out of this?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 05 September 2013, 14:59:19
I am looking forward to seeing the final product. Are you thinking of making a GB out of this?
This has been answered numerous times. No, I'm not planning on doing a GB. I may however sell 1 or 2 in the classifieds.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 17 September 2013, 09:10:56
I have just been notified that the case has been anodised and is ready to be shipped. I'm hoping it should be here by the end of the week!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: infiniti on Tue, 17 September 2013, 09:40:43
I have just been notified that the case has been anodised and is ready to be shipped. I'm hoping it should be here by the end of the week!
Congratulations! Can't wait to see the pictures! :cool:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Finished & received. Awaiting anodising.
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Tue, 17 September 2013, 10:22:15
I have just been notified that the case has been anodised and is ready to be shipped. I'm hoping it should be here by the end of the week!

(http://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif)

Seriously though, I can't wait to see the final product!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 17 September 2013, 21:22:06
the rapture cometh
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:21:26
"I have despatched your goods they should be with you tomorrow." - Anodiser

(http://i.imgur.com/bW4mqqX.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 18 September 2013, 13:23:44
"I have despatched your goods they should be with you tomorrow." - Anodiser

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bW4mqqX.jpg)


Now that is great service!  Looking forward to falling off my chair while oogling your new anodized case :D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 18 September 2013, 22:06:54
(http://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Moosecraft on Thu, 19 September 2013, 05:26:43
Congrats Photekq
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 09:17:08
IT'S HERE
PICS SOON
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 September 2013, 09:22:13
IT'S HERE
PICS SOON

:eek: now the important question......is it the right color :eek:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Batmann on Thu, 19 September 2013, 09:32:44
Photo shooting session in progress SpamRay  ;)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:23:44
(http://i.imgur.com/QIzmyOx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/R1ScbHA.jpg)
The white gunk on the screwhole is wax that was used to plug the hole during anodising.
(http://i.imgur.com/FfYerNu.jpg)
Where the clamp failed during machining #1
(http://i.imgur.com/oLur3xh.jpg)
Where the clamp failed during machining #2 - looks bad but is fully functional.
(http://i.imgur.com/h911At8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/VGaFw0f.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Qf8C6LM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Jz0S3rD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cS2f1NO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1pjsvK9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vIfKiBj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uh16cEO.jpg)
This shows how damn shiny this brass is. It's like a mirror!
(http://i.imgur.com/cgUm8yy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oDVNNm0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ADx9olh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YuB2U2V.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:25:22
Ouch, the clamp marks hurt but overall that is a sick case.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:27:49
Ouch, the clamp marks hurt but overall that is a sick case.
They looked far worse before finishing. They honestly don't look too bad right now.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - Anodised, will be here soon.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:27:53
Fortunately the top part of the case covers those clamp failures.  Looks sexy and definitely has a naval feel to it with that grey and the brass.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: xavierblak on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:32:08
This case looks amazing.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:33:41
god bless
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:36:36
Looks good. I liked the look of the raw brass too.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Tym on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:38:34
Goes well with the new Queen Elizabeth Aircraft carriers  :thumb:

Final Cost?

Also did you get a discount for clamping derps?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:40:20
Goes well with the new Queen Elizabeth Aircraft carriers  :thumb:

Final Cost?

Also did you get a discount for clamping derps?
Bang on £500.

Considering the price I paid for the machining I thought it would be a bit out of line to ask for a discount. The dude must've spent about 5 weekends making this, and I paid him £220.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Tym on Thu, 19 September 2013, 13:41:11
Fair 'nuf, nice job.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: goobus on Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:02:59
Holy crap I'm new here and I can safely you guys are fully insane after reading all 11 pages of this thread.








But I freakin love it





Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:08:42
Holy crap I'm new here and I can safely you guys are fully insane after reading all 11 pages of this thread.








But I freakin love it
You read ALL ELEVEN pages? Props to you man! :))
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: codyeatworld on Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:19:44
amazing!  congratulations!

Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: goobus on Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:25:35
Holy crap I'm new here and I can safely you guys are fully insane after reading all 11 pages of this thread.








But I freakin love it
You read ALL ELEVEN pages? Props to you man! :))

This is amazing for someone like me who has never taken a keyboard apart.  Well it's 3am here and bed beckons.  Thank you for the happy ending ;) did not disappoint!!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Binge on Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:30:16
looks great :)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 19 September 2013, 14:35:58
Amazing work!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Batmann on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:13:11
OMG Pho that's a fukin piece of art!
I am happy for you
Congrats, you have been awesome from start! 😀

Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 19 September 2013, 15:20:10
This is amazing! I really like the contrast between the matte grey and the shiny bronze. The whole thing just looks awesome.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: mashby on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:24:12
Wow, that thing is completely hideous. What an eyesore for your desk. Disgusting. Tell you what, since I'm such a good friend, I'll take it off your hands to spare you from having to stare at it.  :))

Of course it's none of those things. It's a really great looking case and I'm green from head-to-toe with envy. Congrats!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:36:03
That thing just screams "serious business" :D  I hope it will inspire you to do some serious business typing on the keyboard in it :D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 19 September 2013, 16:51:15
That thing is a beast!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: pasph on Thu, 19 September 2013, 17:01:51
Great!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:11:21
Thanks for the compliments everyone. I'm so happy with how it turned out. I now have to chop up a KMAC PCB since my Phantom hasn't arrived. Expect so see a full build log soon(ish)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MJ45 on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:28:07
A real beautiful case a tour-de force piece of work. You could always get a Phantom PCB from Mechanical Keyboards the white would look very nice and contrast your plate and case. IMHO
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:30:30
A real beautiful case a tour-de force piece of work. You could always get a Phantom PCB from Mechanical Keyboards the white would look very nice and contrast your plate and case. IMHO
I literally have no money. I've put about $1000 into this and I'm not going to spend more on a new PCB+teensy until I know my phantom is gone for good. A KMAC PCB will do fine for the time being. I will just have to mod it.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MKULTRA on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:31:07
Beautiful case dude.  Seriously.  You aren't planning a GB are you?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:34:40
Beautiful case dude.  Seriously.  You aren't planning a GB are you?
I don't think I'll be making any more. I can't say for sure though.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:37:17
Wait... this was a one time case!? :blank:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:39:36
I can smell the jelly in this thread  :-*

If i only i had a phantom or kmac...or tkl for that matter...60% or die..

homebraj i await the build log
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:39:55
I don't think many people have $1,000 to burn on a case alone. Could actually persuade someone to part with a 356cl for around that.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:40:50
part with a 356cl

(http://i.imgur.com/oHJAIpV.gif)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:42:13
Wait... this was a one time case!? :blank:
At the start I was actually trying to make a CHEAPER alternative to the MKC without sacrificing quality. I soon realised this would be near impossible to do, so I decided to go all out. I was then planning to make a few more.. maybe 2-4.. I'm still consdering it. Maybe if people reach out to me and say 'YO, I WANT ONE' it would encourage me.

Tell me this though.. Are you willing to pay over £500 and shipping on top of that? It's a steep as **** price, which is one of the main reasons I've decided trying to sell them might be pointless.

I don't think many people have $1,000 to burn on a case alone.
Exactly.
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Post by: meiosis on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:42:39
part with a 356cl

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/oHJAIpV.gif)


I've been around long enough one was purchased for $1.4k a few weeks ago
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Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:55:52
Tell me this though.. Are you willing to pay over £500 and shipping on top of that?

Move to Korea, and I will say yes.
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Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 18:59:48
Tell me this though.. Are you willing to pay over £500 and shipping on top of that?

Move to Korea, and I will say yes.
:))
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Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:04:33
British aluminum cases are the next big thing.
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Post by: Photekq on Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:05:42
British aluminum cases are the next big thing.
I think you mean WELSH aluminium cases.

Welsh custom FS : £2500
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:10:07
British aluminum cases are the next big thing.
I think you mean WELSH aluminium cases.

Welsh custom FS : £2500

Last I checked, Wales is part of the Great Britain :D  But you're right, Welsh does sound more exotic.  Add a fancy incomprehensible name with lots of consonants too = win!
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Post by: meiosis on Thu, 19 September 2013, 19:38:36
Rolex branded cases please, $8,000+
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Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:05:51
I've been around long enough one was purchased for $1.4k a few weeks ago

june 29th doe

I think you mean WELSH aluminium cases.

WUSTOM WELSH WEYBOARDS
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:37:52
I've been around long enough one was purchased for $1.4k a few weeks ago

june 29th doe

I think you mean WELSH aluminium cases.

WUSTOM WELSH WEYBOARDS

June 29th indeedy. But I absorb knowledge like a spongeee o-o like that you have 12 julysicles
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 19 September 2013, 21:24:45
Wow, that case is fantastic. You've shared the final cost, but more importantly, what is the final weight?
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Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 19 September 2013, 21:26:24
welp, not quite

but ya i wouldn't count on a 356cl brother
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Post by: Photekq on Fri, 20 September 2013, 09:18:15
Wow, that case is fantastic. You've shared the final cost, but more importantly, what is the final weight?
The case itself (including switch plate, but not including switches/keycaps/pcb/etc) weighs 3.35kg. Not too bad considering there's a huge cavity for the teensy/breakout board etc.

If it were designed for a PCB without the teensy and with a USB port then it'd weigh quite a bit more.
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Post by: agodinhost on Sat, 21 September 2013, 15:52:10
Awesome case Photekq
Congrats man!!
 :thumb:
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Post by: zenuty on Sat, 21 September 2013, 22:58:21
WOW Its looks like Gold Bar  :eek:

Your Project is awesome everyday !!

Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 22 September 2013, 05:02:29
Spent about 5 hours last night cleaning out some of the threaded holes. The anodisers goofed a little bit and managed to get a load of debris inside most of the holes..

Acetone+tissue paper+a lot of time=fixed

Nasty work though.. Room smells of acetone and my fingers hurt due to metal dust.

WOW Its looks like Gold Bar  :eek:
That's exactly what I thought when it arrived :)) I wasn't expecting a shiny finish, but after receiving it I'm so glad they did it..
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Post by: Tym on Sun, 22 September 2013, 05:43:23
Photekq, stop lying to these people. Tell them what Wales is really like :p
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Post by: Photekq on Sun, 22 September 2013, 06:18:00
Photekq, stop lying to these people. Tell them what Wales is really like :p
:))
Generally there are a fair amount of sheep, loads of chavs and a large amount of fairly daft but, most importantly, very pleasant people.
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Post by: meiosis on Sun, 22 September 2013, 06:25:38
Are there whales?
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Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 22 September 2013, 10:16:01
i thought chav was really offensive lol
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Post by: Tym on Sun, 22 September 2013, 10:18:42
i thought chav was really offensive lol
No lol... ;D

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Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 22 September 2013, 10:20:05
i thought chav was really offensive lol
No lol... ;D

he told me it was some offensive term lmao
****ing chavs
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Tym on Sun, 22 September 2013, 10:22:21
It is offensive but not "really" offensive.

Chavs = People who wear trackies, generally have little education, like to stab people

On another un-related topic, I was playing a zombie mod this morning, a french dude said "Offend Me!", so I called him a "C**t", turns out he meant "Defend Me"... I got banned from the server.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 22 September 2013, 10:27:27
Chavs = People who wear trackies, generally have little education, like to stab people

I actually think i know what you are talking about

On another un-related topic, I was playing a zombie mod this morning, a french dude said "Offend Me!", so I called him a "C**t", turns out he meant "Defend Me"... I got banned from the server.

that is hilarious
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Post by: goobus on Sun, 22 September 2013, 12:41:41
It is offensive but not "really" offensive.

Chavs = People who wear trackies, generally have little education, like to stab people

On another un-related topic, I was playing a zombie mod this morning, a french dude said "Offend Me!", so I called him a "C**t", turns out he meant "Defend Me"... I got banned from the server.

DayZ? :D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 22 September 2013, 16:09:53
KMAC PCB has been cut up. It's a bit messy and I think I broke one trace when I slipped but no biggie. Need to tidy up those edges though..
(http://i.imgur.com/ztSc42C.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nm7eIR2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZaRK7ju.jpg)
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Post by: Thimplum on Sat, 28 September 2013, 10:37:30
wow
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Post by: MKULTRA on Sat, 28 September 2013, 11:59:28
Yeah I don't have the balls for that...
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Post by: Photekq on Sat, 28 September 2013, 12:06:34
Yeah I don't have the balls for that...
:))
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Post by: mkawa on Sat, 28 September 2013, 12:10:44
phot, you can pay your guy to tool up for it or we can shoot this job to our potentially new central machine shop. what's your preference? i know you're close to your guy, and he's good. BUT mailing in and out of the UK is a pain!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 28 September 2013, 12:12:30
phot, you can pay your guy to tool up for it or we can shoot this job to our potentially new central machine shop. what's your preference? i know you're close to your guy, and he's good. BUT mailing in and out of the UK is a pain!
Sorry, I don't follow.. Prototype is done and I'm not planning to make more (at least not right now - I want to build it and make sure everything is 100% perfect before I even CONSIDER making any more)
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Post by: Moosecraft on Sat, 28 September 2013, 12:38:12
Any pics of the finished product?:)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 28 September 2013, 12:39:17
Any pics of the finished product?:)
stilllll waiting for a few things before i build
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: yicaoyimu on Sat, 28 September 2013, 20:41:16
This is so awesome. Who would bother getting KMAC or LZ if this comes out lol.
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Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 28 September 2013, 21:02:15
This is so awesome. Who would bother getting KMAC or LZ if this comes out lol.

>.<  This does not invalidate their work, which is also excellent.  A bit harsh...
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Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 28 September 2013, 21:47:46
Photekq, breaking off those sacrificial edges on my KMAC pcb was so stressful. Especially the one under the usb plug...
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Post by: yicaoyimu on Sat, 28 September 2013, 21:53:11
This is so awesome. Who would bother getting KMAC or LZ if this comes out lol.

>.<  This does not invalidate their work, which is also excellent.  A bit harsh...

Just saying.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 29 September 2013, 03:05:50
Photekq, breaking off those sacrificial edges on my KMAC pcb was so stressful. Especially the one under the usb plug...
Yeah, even though it didn't matter if the USB broke in my case I was really nervous doing it..

Cutting the PCB was so, so much worse holy ****. You had to press the knife down SO hard in order to stop it from slipping, and when it slipped once I shat myself.. I thought it broke something, but luckily it just broke one trace.
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Post by: Photekq on Wed, 09 October 2013, 08:46:35
It begins.
(http://i.imgur.com/mVBh6Ya.jpg)
1x TEK-80
117x Nixdorf "soft touch" blacks
1x Nixdorf "soft touch" white
1x modified KMAC 1.4 WKL PCB
1x orange sticker sheet from originative
PCB mount stabilisers that use screws
Yihua 936 w/ chisel tip
OG Soldapullt
Kester 44
Hakko 599B
A bunch of 24AWG cables
A few 2x3x4mm red LEDs
CABLES FROM RACCOON!
off screen :
screws
micro usb breakout board
original cherry black on beige w/ windowed lock keys
dolch from originative
OG tricolor CC
55g springs from originative
GPL 103/205 (haven't yet decided whether I'll use this)

I'll post a thread in GH media when I start building.
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Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 09 October 2013, 11:28:26
It begins.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mVBh6Ya.jpg)

1x TEK-80
117x Nixdorf "soft touch" blacks
1x Nixdorf "soft touch" white
1x modified KMAC 1.4 WKL PCB
1x orange sticker sheet from originative
PCB mount stabilisers that use screws
Yihua 936 w/ chisel tip
OG Soldapullt
Kester 44
Hakko 599B
A bunch of 24AWG cables
A few 2x3x4mm red LEDs
CABLES FROM RACCOON!
off screen :
screws
micro usb breakout board
original cherry black on beige w/ windowed lock keys
dolch from originative
OG tricolor CC
55g springs from originative
GPL 103/205 (haven't yet decided whether I'll use this)

I'll post a thread in GH media when I start building.

Ohhhhh this is going to be exciting!  I hope you use warm white or neutral white LEDs for this project :)
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Post by: Moosecraft on Wed, 09 October 2013, 11:41:55
I wish I had a board like that o.O
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Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 09 October 2013, 12:01:20
gl m8
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 09 October 2013, 17:04:42
It begins.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mVBh6Ya.jpg)

1x TEK-80
117x Nixdorf "soft touch" blacks
1x Nixdorf "soft touch" white
1x modified KMAC 1.4 WKL PCB
1x orange sticker sheet from originative
PCB mount stabilisers that use screws
Yihua 936 w/ chisel tip
OG Soldapullt
Kester 44
Hakko 599B
A bunch of 24AWG cables
A few 2x3x4mm red LEDs
CABLES FROM RACCOON!
off screen :
screws
micro usb breakout board
original cherry black on beige w/ windowed lock keys
dolch from originative
OG tricolor CC
55g springs from originative
GPL 103/205 (haven't yet decided whether I'll use this)

I'll post a thread in GH media when I start building.

Looking good! Can't wait to see assembly pics.  :thumb:
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Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 09 October 2013, 17:06:39
Stop teasing us man and hurry up and get this gorgeous thing finished!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:20:47
Stop teasing us man and hurry up and get this gorgeous thing finished!
Might take a few days, sorry. I'm taking my time because I want to fully enjoy the build process. Here's what I did/discovered today.

Firstly, nixdorf blacks are strange beasts. Here are the pros/cons of them :

Pros :
-Clear tops (obviously)
-These things are perfectly smooth. I really do mean PERFECTLY. There is no scratch at all. I tried GPL205/103 and it actually made them feel worse, and did not make them feel any more smooth. They are perfect as they are. They are the perfect linear MX switch, hands down. Forget vintage blacks.. get these.
Cons :
-****ing diodes. Took me hours to remove these. Of course this isn't the only board with them.. Didn't help that the legs of EVERY DIODE were bent.
-They are harder to take apart than most switches. The four legs on the switch top seem to be more flimsy, more bendy.. This makes them a royal PITA to take them apart.
-They do not like lighter springs (55g korean springs - i have not tested others). When I put in the 55g springs it resulted in a horrible springing noise. It was TERRIBLE. I found that this can be remedied by applying grease (i used GPL205) to the bottom of the spring. When the grease is applied they sound normal. I have no idea why the noise was so bad.. Vintage blacks don't react in the same way. This is something unique to these nixdorf blacks.

It's apparent to me there are small differences in the nixdorf blacks, that result in the above things.. Overall, the pros far outweigh the cons. These, in my mind, are the perfect linear MX switch and are the nicest switch I've tried to date (i've tried blues, browns, reds, topre & vintage blacks)

ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE BOMBS! Here's my progress so far.
(http://i.imgur.com/BuovHwN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/S1e9Uvl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Kj9UxsL.jpg)

Orange stickers look amazing, no?
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Post by: Defying on Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:32:37
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Kj9UxsL.jpg)


Orange stickers look amazing, no?
That last picture makes the switches look entirely transparent because of the wood desk it's sitting on. :D

Looks good!
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Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:33:35
Perfect combo of colors!
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Post by: Sifo on Wed, 09 October 2013, 18:43:39
wow ... that ****'s #1 .
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Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 09 October 2013, 19:56:27
This is so beautiful.
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Post by: redskull on Thu, 10 October 2013, 00:27:26
marvellous job photekq. if you make a GB for this, im sure many would jump in.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 10 October 2013, 11:53:06
You know i would never, ever let stickers come near clear tops..but they do nice in dem photos..
seems to have like an under glow type of look....

dat linear white....hnggggngnng
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 15:33:51
this is on hold since my soldering iron broke, and kinda broke the PCB in the process..

(http://i.imgur.com/ETiX2j4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lz9ATpB.jpg)
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Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 10 October 2013, 15:37:46
NOOOO!!!!  Aside from the PCB woes, it's looking sexy.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 10 October 2013, 15:46:21
That's why I don't use hakko. Don't trust 'em.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 15:46:49
That's why I don't use hakko. Don't trust 'em.
It is/was a yihua
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Post by: phetto on Thu, 10 October 2013, 15:50:58
Very nice case photekq. But I thought you were going to use a phantom PCB? Kinda sucks that the KMAC PCB got smashed! :(
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 15:52:05
Very nice case photekq. But I thought you were going to use a phantom PCB? Kinda sucks that the KMAC PCB got smashed! :(
I was.. but bavman kept it from me. Had to improvise so I had a kmac pcb proxied for me. I have 2 plates so I'll have 1 plate with the KMAC and 1 with the phantom.
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Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 10 October 2013, 15:58:41
That's why I don't use hakko. Don't trust 'em.
It is/was a yihua

ooooh!

I read the list that you posted earlier and there was the name of a Hakko product an I assumed it was an iron.

BTW, my post was sarcastic, if it's not obvious enough. I'm not particularly fond of them myself for a couple of reasons, but there's no denying the build quality.
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Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 15:59:33
ooooh!

I read the list that you posted earlier and there was the name of a Hakko product an I assumed it was an iron.

BTW, my post was sarcastic, if it's not obvious enough. I'm not particularly fond of them myself for a couple of reasons, but there's no denying the build quality.
ah i see. easy mistake to make. it was actually the brass tip cleaner - the hakko 599b.

i am considering a hakko 888d right now.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: phetto on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:00:55
Very nice case photekq. But I thought you were going to use a phantom PCB? Kinda sucks that the KMAC PCB got smashed! :(
I was.. but bavman kept it from me. Had to improvise so I had a kmac pcb proxied for me. I have 2 plates so I'll have 1 plate with the KMAC and 1 with the phantom.

Kept it from you? You mean you never recieved it? Thats strange. How much did this whole thing cost? I love it except the font on the brass.. :D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:02:06
Kept it from you? You mean you never recieved it? Thats strange. How much did this whole thing cost? I love it except the font on the brass.. :D
not sure if you've seen the gb thread recently but bavman has been mia for a long time, leaving some orders unshipped. a very awesome member called wildcard went to pick them up from him the other day, so i should get mine soon.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: phetto on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:03:22
can't keep track of all the crap going on here lately.. :P
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:05:16
That kind of KMAC abuse should be illegal
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:09:43
That kind of KMAC abuse should be illegal
:))
don't blame me, blame the yihua! :cool:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Tym on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:10:30
That kind of KMAC abuse should be illegal
:))
don't blame me, blame the yihua! :cool:

I think she means cutting its head off!
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Post by: xavierblak on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:15:34
this is on hold since my soldering iron broke, and kinda broke the PCB in the process..

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/ETiX2j4.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Lz9ATpB.jpg)


What the heck happened? Were you soldering with gunpowder?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:19:27
What the heck happened? Were you soldering with gunpowder?
long story. to put it simply :
the heating element somehow broke without me noticing (probably happened ages ago) and so when i went to solder earlier some bad stuff happened..
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 10 October 2013, 16:45:46
I want one. And an A.87 LED WKL PCB to go with it :(
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 17:12:03
b-b-but i thought once you go topre you never go back!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 10 October 2013, 17:13:30
b-b-but i thought once you go topre you never go back!


I need it for business purposes! :P
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: xavierblak on Thu, 10 October 2013, 18:02:14
What the heck happened? Were you soldering with gunpowder?
long story. to put it simply :
the heating element somehow broke without me noticing (probably happened ages ago) and so when i went to solder earlier some bad stuff happened..

Wow did it actually break with a pop/explosion? Or did it just fall apart? Who knew solder was so extreme.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 10 October 2013, 18:04:01
This is so beautiful.

THANK YOU CAPTAIN OBVIOUS!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 18:04:25
Wow did it actually break with a pop/explosion? Or did it just fall apart? Who knew solder was so extreme.
no.. the heating element broke previously without me noticing. this resulted in it not properly melting the solder which i was trying to remove from a switch hole. this resulted in the switch hole getting totally ****ed up.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 10 October 2013, 18:04:47
Wow did it actually break with a pop/explosion? Or did it just fall apart? Who knew solder was so extreme.

He was using Hardcore Solder (http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/31055-hardcore-solder-2-18swg-0-5kg-solder-2-0-5kg-warton.html).
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 18:07:58
Wow did it actually break with a pop/explosion? Or did it just fall apart? Who knew solder was so extreme.

He was using Hardcore Solder (http://cpc.farnell.com/1/1/31055-hardcore-solder-2-18swg-0-5kg-solder-2-0-5kg-warton.html).
LOL
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MJ45 on Thu, 10 October 2013, 20:17:42
You should definitely get  a Hakko FX888 at least, with all the builds & mods you do. The FX 888 never let me down its cheap in the long run. I have the older non digital display model I got on sale and I'm more than happy with it.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 10 October 2013, 22:16:03
You should definitely get  a Hakko FX888 at least, with all the builds & mods you do. The FX 888 never let me down its cheap in the long run. I have the older non digital display model I got on sale and I'm more than happy with it.
very much considering it atm. shame it's far more expensive here in the uk.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 10 October 2013, 22:21:33
It is/was a yihua

pray to the yihua gods, the leading team in the soldering game


#YihuaNation
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 10 October 2013, 22:21:52
the 888d is the same as the 888 except that the regulator in the 888d is more accurate.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 10 October 2013, 22:53:42
the D is better
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Thimplum on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:05:54
You should definitely get  a Hakko FX888 at least, with all the builds & mods you do. The FX 888 never let me down its cheap in the long run. I have the older non digital display model I got on sale and I'm more than happy with it.
very much considering it atm. shame it's far more expensive here in the uk.

How much more expensive? If it's really a lot, than maybe I can get one here and ship it to you, if the price of shipping doesn't exceed the UK price difference.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:17:49
-INSERT STARS THAT KAWA ROBBED FROM ME HERE-

(http://i.imgur.com/vjqUk8N.png)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:37:39
-INSERT STARS THAT KAWA ROBBED FROM ME HERE-

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/vjqUk8N.png)

:'( I WANT THEM
How much more expensive? If it's really a lot, than maybe I can get one here and ship it to you, if the price of shipping doesn't exceed the UK price difference.
£100 in the UK.. Only one official hakko seller in the UK : NICE WEBSITE! (http://www.dancap.co.uk/soldering/fx888ddigitalpricelist.htm)

Could get this one though and use a simple adapter.. It's not a D, but it's a hakko.
http://dx.com/p/hanko-fx-888-70w-soldering-station-ac-220v-126505

I appreciate the proxy offer, thanks man.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:39:14
-INSERT STARS THAT KAWA ROBBED FROM ME HERE-

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(http://i.imgur.com/vjqUk8N.png)

:'( I WANT THEM

Just use the image I posted as your avatar, then! :P
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:40:13
Just use the image I posted as your avatar, then! :P
I only just realised. Time to put on the dunce hat..
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:46:15
Just use the image I posted as your avatar, then! :P
I only just realised. Time to put on the dunce hat..

LOL

Nice work on that TEK-80 case. It really is beautiful. I can't wait to see it fully built up, now that you have all your parts. Sorry you're having such a time with the PCB, though. That is unfortunate.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 11 October 2013, 09:51:57
Nice work on that TEK-80 case. It really is beautiful. I can't wait to see it fully built up, now that you have all your parts. Sorry you're having such a time with the PCB, though. That is unfortunate.
:thumb:
Thanks man. I appreciate it. I'm annoyed about the soldering iron, but it will all be remedied in the end.. I'm in no rush anyway :P
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: phoenix1234 on Sat, 26 October 2013, 11:28:10
this is on hold since my soldering iron broke, and kinda broke the PCB in the process..

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You are have a very great keyboard,  :thumb:
Too bad that your PCB was quite damaged but I think it still works out of the box.

I'm not sure if I'm correct but it seems the legs of switches are too short.
Therefore, the solder tip could transfer the heat to the PCB more than it should.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 31 October 2013, 17:45:52
Got that switch out.. It's pretty rough.

(http://i.imgur.com/UUF4tpq.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 31 October 2013, 17:50:42
Hey, if it works--it works! :D  I'm sure it'll be fine.  Looking forward to seeing the full keyboard finished soon!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 31 October 2013, 17:58:52
Hey, if it works--it works!
Exactly. I don't care about all the direct wiring I'm gonna have to do.. If it works I'm happy!

Just waiting for kimwipes to arrive and then I'll probably start building it again.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: JBCNC on Mon, 11 November 2013, 11:33:27
Surprisingly Photekq isn't online, so I thought I'd post this myself.

Unfortunately I didn't really know that people would be interested in seeing a video, hence I didn't record much. Nevertheless, here's a video showing machining some of the keyboard case:


Enjoy...
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: kenmai9 on Mon, 11 November 2013, 11:34:18
Very cool!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 11 November 2013, 11:39:27
Surprisingly Photekq isn't online, so I thought I'd post this myself.

Unfortunately I didn't really know that people would be interested in seeing a video, hence I didn't record much. Nevertheless, here's a video showing machining some of the keyboard case:


Enjoy...

Thank you sir!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 11 November 2013, 11:42:36
Surprisingly Photekq isn't online, so I thought I'd post this myself.

Unfortunately I didn't really know that people would be interested in seeing a video, hence I didn't record much. Nevertheless, here's a video showing machining some of the keyboard case:


Enjoy...
Great video. Thanks a lot for posting it/uploading it, much appreciated.

Skype's playing up, that's why I'm not on ;)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 11 November 2013, 12:27:43
Mmmmm, machining porn :D. Love watching chips fly ^__^

Thank you for sharing JBCNC, and welcome to GeekHack! And I guess you too Photekq :P
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 11 November 2013, 13:27:04
Ooooh, I love the video!  Great to see how such a great case is made...  :)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 11 November 2013, 13:42:40
cool video JB! stunning work on the case, looks fantastic  :cool:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 23 November 2013, 08:47:25
Still waiting on one or two soldering supplies, so it isn't assembled. However, I put on a few keycaps so that I could get a good idea of how it'll look when it's complete. This is a set from a G80-1191, hence the beige F1-4 and F9-12.

(http://i.imgur.com/RVjmUdz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2qoMYma.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cnggkqh.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Moosecraft on Sat, 23 November 2013, 08:50:09
Beautiful, gratz on this board ;D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Glod on Sat, 23 November 2013, 09:40:56
love it!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MJ45 on Sat, 23 November 2013, 11:02:48
Very nice indeed!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 23 November 2013, 12:13:01
Took some better photos + with BSP RGB.

(http://i.imgur.com/R735Jvm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LxtbEK0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fL0rp0E.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XjSedd8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PgKGKI7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/D1BnL4f.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 23 November 2013, 12:15:44
the BSP RGB's look absolutely sexy..especially in that fourth pic
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sat, 23 November 2013, 12:26:58
That's a beefy looking case.  Pretty thick. 

Inb4 twss.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 23 November 2013, 12:29:15
Photekq that looks awesome :D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MJ45 on Sat, 23 November 2013, 13:05:06
That is awesome, how much does it weigh fully assembled, I'll guess maybe 6lbs. I think it would look good with Dolch caps too! 
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 23 November 2013, 13:07:34
That is awesome, how much does it weigh fully assembled, I'll guess maybe 6lbs. I think it would look good with Dolch caps too!
It weighs 3.4kg. I do have some dolch caps.. I may take some pictures later, although I am thinking of selling them soon.

Not sure about the weight when fully assembled, will check soon.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MJ45 on Sat, 23 November 2013, 13:17:40
If you have time to take a shot or two with the Dolch caps would be appreciated but its so pretty it would look great with any set I'm sure.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 23 November 2013, 13:22:51
If you have time to take a shot or two with the Dolch caps would be appreciated but its so pretty it would look great with any set I'm sure.
Sure thing. I will try my best to get a few photos tonight.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 23 November 2013, 15:30:52
Dolch photos as requested. They're not very good due to bad lighting, I hope they're ok.

(http://i.imgur.com/2NO3CNl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/g6Mm6pT.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rZhV8QE.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/49cWLfy.png)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 23 November 2013, 15:32:08
Classy
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: MJ45 on Sat, 23 November 2013, 15:34:49
Ooh yes very nice!!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: joneslee85 on Sat, 23 November 2013, 18:09:44
Lovely artwork

I am wondering if you would create one metal case for an IBM model M or Unicomp
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dreamre on Sun, 24 November 2013, 15:53:44
Beautiful board!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 24 November 2013, 15:54:17
Dolch on the Tek looks so stunning...that titanium is just amazing
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: inteli722 on Sun, 24 November 2013, 16:00:21
Dolch on the Tek looks so stunning...that titanium is just amazing

Can concur, that looks amazing!

Dammit, Photekq! Why can't we have them? They look amazing!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 24 November 2013, 16:01:35
Dolch on the Tek looks so stunning...that titanium is just amazing

Can concur, that looks amazing!

Dammit, Photekq! Why can't we have them? They look amazing!
Too expensive, brah. Expect a V2 (hopefully affordable) TKL case in the future though.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: inteli722 on Sun, 24 November 2013, 16:08:38
Dolch on the Tek looks so stunning...that titanium is just amazing

Can concur, that looks amazing!

Dammit, Photekq! Why can't we have them? They look amazing!
Too expensive, brah. Expect a V2 (hopefully affordable) TKL case in the future though.

Will look forward to TEK-80-2
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 21 December 2013, 00:26:25
This should be finished in a few days ;D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 30 December 2013, 11:09:14
This should be finished in a few days ;D
Maaaaaybe not.

OP has been updated with the following :
CAD FILES HERE (http://jessica.gladosdan.com/TEK80CAD/)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: CalmB4tehPwn on Tue, 31 December 2013, 02:40:13
I wasn't following this project from the beginning, but how much did the case run you (or would run you, without any hiccups you might have encountered)?

And would it be significantly less expensive without the brass sled?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 31 December 2013, 05:34:08
I wasn't following this project from the beginning, but how much did the case run you (or would run you, without any hiccups you might have encountered)?
£500. One-off machining is expensive.

And would it be significantly less expensive without the brass sled?
Maybe £400 without the brass.

Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: CalmB4tehPwn on Tue, 31 December 2013, 05:38:55
Wow. That is a huge investment.

It's a work of art, though, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - FINISHED!!!
Post by: Travellerr on Mon, 06 January 2014, 14:48:04
Holy crap I'm new here and I can safely you guys are fully insane after reading all 11 pages of this thread.






But I freakin love it
You read ALL ELEVEN pages? Props to you man! :))

This is amazing for someone like me who has never taken a keyboard apart.  Well it's 3am here and bed beckons.  Thank you for the happy ending ;) did not disappoint!!

I would have to agree, because this is something I would love to do, but do not have the skill and or accessories to do so yet. I am just touching up on soldering and desoldering again, because last time I did so was 6-7 years ago and I was oblivious 20 year old, lol compared to a still oblivious 27 year old. Anyways this has to be one of the nicest minimal cases I have seen in a while. I would love to be able to do something like this with the leo 660c, but alas I cannot. Tempted to save up to get the need materials to make something at least similar to this, Thanks for the pictures.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 30 January 2014, 13:51:56
Finished! It's finally finished! I'll be posting some finished photos in the GH media section sometime today or tomorrow!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 30 January 2014, 14:44:26
Finished! It's finally finished! I'll be posting some finished photos in the GH media section sometime today or tomorrow!

Congratulations!  It's been a long journey--so glad you've ended up with a great result!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 30 January 2014, 14:47:36
Congratulations!  It's been a long journey--so glad you've ended up with a great result!
It has been! But a lot of fun, and I have learned a ton in the process.. Not just about designing stuff like this, but about the manufacturing process too. I'm ever so glad that I decided to make this case.

Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 30 January 2014, 19:16:02
Spoke too soon.. I'm missing a cable that I need.. I guess it'll be a few more days then :))
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 30 January 2014, 19:17:59
Spoke too soon.. I'm missing a cable that I need.. I guess it'll be a few more days then :))

NO!  Can you at least post pics?  Also, where will the pics be posted?  You mentioned posting in the GH media section, but what thread will this make its way into (or perhaps its own thread...)?

So many questions.  So excited.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 30 January 2014, 19:36:10
NO!  Can you at least post pics?  Also, where will the pics be posted?  You mentioned posting in the GH media section, but what thread will this make its way into (or perhaps its own thread...)?

So many questions.  So excited.
Yeah, I guess I'll take some photos tomorrow. It doesn't need to be fully functional for pics. I'm literally just missing the cable that connects the phantom to the breakout board..

I'll make a thread in GH media and post a link here :)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Fri, 31 January 2014, 15:56:08
I will take nicer photos when it's 100% complete, but until then..

(http://i.imgur.com/Nud66Ft.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZeuMHIv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/l2R1T58.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/trw0RSL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/l6SMlxu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2jwSX6M.jpg)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 31 January 2014, 16:05:06
I will take nicer photos when it's 100% complete, but until then..

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FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u39/bgnhmj/jizz.gif)
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: billnye on Fri, 31 January 2014, 16:06:11
I will take nicer photos when it's 100% complete, but until then..

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That is really impressive! Congrats on a successful project.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 31 January 2014, 18:10:19
I will take nicer photos when it's 100% complete, but until then..

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Incoming trip to Wales.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: iAmAhab on Sat, 01 February 2014, 03:35:49
I will take nicer photos when it's 100% complete, but until then..

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Tightening of pants imminent.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: strict on Sat, 01 February 2014, 21:20:01
This is an unbelievably amazing project. I think your design for how the plate fits into the bottom half of the shell is phenomenal. Personally, I would be inclined to run without the top part of the shell (just the bottom shell and plate) because I *love* the GON/K70 look where the top of the switches are exposed and the keys look like they are floating. Regardless, the final product is inspiring and impressive by any measure. I desperately look forward to your future projects.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 02 February 2014, 08:36:43
I will take nicer photos when it's 100% complete, but until then..

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(http://i.imgur.com/NqyBZSp.gif)

it's party time  :eek:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: amos5606 on Wed, 05 February 2014, 11:33:45
Expect to have a reasonable price one day...
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 05 February 2014, 17:05:23
Expect to have a reasonable price one day...
Not sure if you want one at a reasonable price, or if you're planning to reproduce and sell it at a reasonable price..
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: PolaBurrr on Wed, 05 February 2014, 19:39:17
I am definitely interested in this! Curious... does this case allow you to use the plate like in Vortex aluminum cases? Or do you have to use pcb standoffs?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: yicaoyimu on Wed, 05 February 2014, 20:14:32
I am definitely interested in this! Curious... does this case allow you to use the plate like in Vortex aluminum cases? Or do you have to use pcb standoffs?

Check the following quote.

It begins.
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(http://i.imgur.com/mVBh6Ya.jpg)

1x TEK-80
117x Nixdorf "soft touch" blacks
1x Nixdorf "soft touch" white
1x modified KMAC 1.4 WKL PCB
1x orange sticker sheet from originative
PCB mount stabilisers that use screws
Yihua 936 w/ chisel tip
OG Soldapullt
Kester 44
Hakko 599B
A bunch of 24AWG cables
A few 2x3x4mm red LEDs
CABLES FROM RACCOON!
off screen :
screws
micro usb breakout board
original cherry black on beige w/ windowed lock keys
dolch from originative
OG tricolor CC
55g springs from originative
GPL 103/205 (haven't yet decided whether I'll use this)

I'll post a thread in GH media when I start building.

Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 06 February 2014, 16:03:29
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=54422.0

 ;D
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: phoenix1234 on Fri, 07 February 2014, 04:49:18
I will take nicer photos when it's 100% complete, but until then..

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My God, you have a treasure in your hand  :eek:
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: goonx on Thu, 27 March 2014, 12:19:43
Great work Photekq!

I'm pretty interested in doing something with wood on my own and your project is a leap board i can spring off from.

What mods to the design would be needed to fit a QFR pcb? I'm guessing I wouldn't need the plate as well since I'm planning on using the stock plate
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: limitz on Sat, 03 January 2015, 16:26:32
Bit of a necro, but this is an awesome design. I've been playing with the idea of creating a custom TKL case for my Phantom setup, but I think I'll try and modify this design instead.

Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: joelk2 on Mon, 12 January 2015, 08:18:32
are the CAD files still available or doesn anyone have a mirror/copy of them?
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 12 January 2015, 11:15:23
are the CAD files still available or doesn anyone have a mirror/copy of them?

after some poking around, I found out that they were hosted here:
https://onyx.gladosdan.com/tom/TEK80CAD/

There's also a lot of interesting stuff on gladosdan.com. I wonder what type of website it is.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 12 January 2015, 11:18:38
after some poking around, I found out that they were hosted here:
https://onyx.gladosdan.com/tom/TEK80CAD/

There's also a lot of interesting stuff on gladosdan.com. I wonder what type of website it is.
How did you do that? :))

gladosdan is my friend, he kindly hosted the files for me.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: drewba on Wed, 14 January 2015, 15:30:19
after some poking around, I found out that they were hosted here:
https://onyx.gladosdan.com/tom/TEK80CAD/

There's also a lot of interesting stuff on gladosdan.com. I wonder what type of website it is.
How did you do that? :))

gladosdan is my friend, he kindly hosted the files for me.

He must be a hacker
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: persocon on Thu, 15 December 2016, 09:18:32
oh man :( sad that I came to this post after almost a year the last reply :( the files are gone from the URL you posted :( and I'm in such need of a nice case and have access to a CNC Machine to do that :'(
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Data on Thu, 15 December 2016, 11:36:55
Closer to 2 years, but yeah... I'm sure Photekq would rehost them if you asked nicely and offered certain *ahem* favors.  :-*
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: persocon on Thu, 15 December 2016, 14:45:48
Closer to 2 years, but yeah... I'm sure Photekq would rehost them if you asked nicely and offered certain *ahem* favors.  :-*
you have no idea! haha and I did start to build my phantom 2 years ago, didn't finished yet! I did a case with acrylic that looks terrible crap :v and burned TWO teensy! it's all unmounted right now, so I figured out "let's find a nice case for that thing and build it professionally"
hope Photekq can host again :'( and help me with that
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 01 January 2017, 13:12:26
New link to CAD files since for some reason I got a tonne of requests lately.

Just a reminder :

This case is fully functional. However, I wouldn't call it good. I cannot recommend that anyone get this made without at least 2 adjustments :

1. It is way too tall at the front. You should change it to be 20mm at the most, otherwise it'll be very uncomfortable.
2. It is designed for the Phantom PCB. This PCB was made specifically to replace Filco PCBs, and as such it is NOT a good PCB for using in a fully custom keyboard. You should adapt this case to work with a B87, GON, or similar PCB.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: persocon on Sun, 01 January 2017, 13:42:04
New link to CAD files since for some reason I got a tonne of requests lately.

Just a reminder :

This case is fully functional. However, I wouldn't call it good. I cannot recommend that anyone get this made without at least 2 adjustments :

1. It is way too tall at the front. You should change it to be 20mm at the most, otherwise it'll be very uncomfortable.
2. It is designed for the Phantom PCB. This PCB was made specifically to replace Filco PCBs, and as such it is NOT a good PCB for using in a fully custom keyboard. You should adapt this case to work with a B87, GON, or similar PCB.

I see, do you think it's better to do that 20mm modification on the base or a bit on the base and a bit on the top file? will look on those other PCBs, didn't know that there was more tenkeyless project out there, thanks for the files man!
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 04 January 2017, 18:21:10
I see, do you think it's better to do that 20mm modification on the base or a bit on the base and a bit on the top file? will look on those other PCBs, didn't know that there was more tenkeyless project out there, thanks for the files man!
The top piece isn't necessary for use, so you can make it as tall or as short as you want. It will just affect the aesthetics and how much of the keycaps are exposed. It also will not change the height at which the switchplate sits, which is what you ideally want to change. I would recommend leaving the top piece as is (unless you dislike the aesthetics), and reducing the height of the bottom piece.
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 04 January 2017, 18:22:12
Changed file location to github. Added assembly file, even though it's something that can be created by anyone in about 2 minutes.

https://github.com/photekq/TEK-80
Title: Re: Aluminium TKL Case - TEK-80 - CAD Files inside!
Post by: blandname on Sat, 04 March 2017, 12:22:51
Thanks so much for putting the files on Github!