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Title: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: L4yercake on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:38:09
or .png or .gif

After seeing one of samwisekoi's posts of his hard-wired keyboard it gave me an idea on the topic of the "perfect" keyboard. I would love too see what lurks in everyones mind about their perfect keyboard.

These are mine. Colour scheme isn't what I would pick but Paint is rather in-compliant.


(http://i50.tinypic.com/2im96hl.png)

or

(http://i50.tinypic.com/ve3r5z.png)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: sth on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:38:49
(http://hbfs.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/happy-hacking-keyboard-profile.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: L4yercake on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:40:34
Should the title be Post your Dream Keyboard that doesn't exist?  :p
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:52:03
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/l_og_hhkb_015_zps7975afb2.jpg)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/l_og_hhkb_006_zps811f68a1.jpg)
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/l_og_hhkb_005_zpsc08fbf1c.jpg)

It doesn't exist, because you cannot even hope to obtain one :)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:54:44
Show Image
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/l_og_hhkb_015_zps7975afb2.jpg)


It doesn't exist, because you cannot even hope to obtain one :)


One of the only topre boards I would consider having T_T too bad I don't have a spare $6200.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: vorn on Wed, 27 March 2013, 03:06:01
Sure looks amazing though!
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: sth on Wed, 27 March 2013, 03:29:59

It doesn't exist, because you cannot even hope to obtain one :)
always thought that case was a little ugly... maybe it's the white and chrome... or the feet or the fact that the entire bottom is not flat or something. whatever it is it doesn't look quite right to me. sure makes a uTron look affordable though...
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: tsangan on Wed, 27 March 2013, 05:46:17
Show Image
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/l_og_hhkb_015_zps7975afb2.jpg)


It doesn't exist, because you cannot even hope to obtain one :)
Could have gotten one like a year ago but it was quite a bit to drop on a keyboard :X
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: CTollemache on Wed, 27 March 2013, 07:24:18
This layout with mx blues, and these kind of key cap colors, in a black metal poker case (apologies for the WASD custom screenshot, I couldn't bring myself to open up Illustrator yet):

(http://i.imgur.com/9r8zUNP.gif)

I can see why people complain about bank balances here! Custom key set ~$80, metal poker case ~$100, a poker or GH60 for the switches and PCB ~$80, another keyboard but with alps $!!!, another key cap set $60, that other group buy because it's amazing $50, that custom braided cable $25, that second poker for work in browns because blues are too loud $80, the third poker in case one breaks $80, a fourth poker with reds $80, three more braided cables to match each keyboard $75...

I want it all!
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 27 March 2013, 08:46:59
csimi's filco with mkc alu case.

I love aluminium, i love grey and i love red accents.

(http://i.imgur.com/O7csUh.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 27 March 2013, 08:51:22
That looks like a Vortex case. No curve on that case. :)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 27 March 2013, 08:57:20
That looks like a Vortex case. No curve on that case. :)
It's definitely the MKC. The MKC has a curve on the bottom which you can see on that photo. Also, the MKC has a nice smooth anodised finish, whereas the Vortex has a rough one. If that isn't enough proof then : http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34606.msg652260#msg652260
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 27 March 2013, 09:10:58
Oh, hm. Interesting. Thanks! I didn't see the curve in it.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 27 March 2013, 09:12:18
Oh, hm. Interesting. Thanks! I didn't see the curve in it.
No wonder you can't see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: gropingmantis on Wed, 27 March 2013, 09:26:31
GH60 With this key layout. Skim Milk switches.
(http://i.imgur.com/j3jaXar.png)

But in Multi Shot (Double on the mods and Triple on the APLs) PBT SA profile Keys with APL legends on the Alphas like this.
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7596/aplbeam.jpg)

The first bit I will achieve. The second will most likely never happen  :'(
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: davkol on Wed, 27 March 2013, 13:55:17
I suppose it will take some time to find out what I (dis)like about the ErgoDox. Until then, I'm quite happy with my choc mini—in fact, I'd do only two minor changes, add
I'm actually fine with the non-standard spacebar, because AltGr is moved slightly to the left, compared to the standard layout.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 27 March 2013, 15:46:30
I have seen members here attempt to find one of these.... all to end in disappointing death of the thread...

Behold! Capacitive (Topre) short throw...
[attachimg=1]
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Mike48 on Sun, 31 March 2013, 10:00:50
A "real" keyboard for Mac systems...preferably with buckling-spring keyswitches, in satin aluminum. Two USB ports at each rear corner for convenience, full-size layout with all standard Mac key functions. If you own a Mac, would you like to see this as a real product? What's the most you would pay for such a keyboard if it were offered? I didn't think it would be OK to put the Apple logo on the rendering, so I used a logo symbol of my own...
[attach=1]

Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: drdoooom on Sun, 31 March 2013, 12:26:27
Show Image
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/l_og_hhkb_015_zps7975afb2.jpg)


It doesn't exist, because you cannot even hope to obtain one :)


One of the only topre boards I would consider having T_T too bad I don't have a spare $6200.

wtf is it made out of for 6200? is there an official site for this thing?
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Michael on Sun, 31 March 2013, 12:37:18
[size=78%]wtf is it made out of for 6200? is there an official site for this thing?[/size]


http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/156 (http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/156)


There are also some hand-painted Japanese urushi-nuri key caps. Read on to understand...
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Michael on Sun, 31 March 2013, 14:19:20
or the feet or the fact that the entire bottom is not flat or something. whatever it is it doesn't look quite right to me


(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/187310982738_zpsb8aea564.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: sth on Sun, 31 March 2013, 15:02:56
or the feet or the fact that the entire bottom is not flat or something. whatever it is it doesn't look quite right to me


Show Image
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/187310982738_zpsb8aea564.jpg)

look at the back of the case - something like half an inch is angled up so it rests on the rear feet.

mike48 if the matias boards looked like that (a combo of AEKII and more contemporary alu styling) than the early-mid 2000s plastic-heavy 'Pro' peripherals that apple released i would actually consider it... too bad about alps. capacitive buckling spring would be awesome but seems a little too old-school for apple to embrace. maybe they should talk to Topre?
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Mike48 on Sun, 31 March 2013, 15:33:46
I think Apple's main objection would be click-clack noise of B/S switches. If noise-reducing techniques were employed which managed to preserve the crisp, springy tactile "breakover" of IBM B/S switches but minus most of the key and spring noise, leaving only a pleasant faint "tic" at breakover, then I think Apple (and their customers) would be more receptive. This is meant as a significant upgrade, both in terms of price and performance, but I think those who value a great keyboard would be interested enough to buy them. If made in China, in moderately high volumes and by a high-quality vendor such as Foxconn, these could probably sell retail for around $250-300. I also have in mind a highly-serviceable construction method using individual switch modules and none of those blasted plastic rivets to pop off.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: mr_a500 on Sun, 31 March 2013, 16:15:14
 :blank:
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Michael on Sun, 31 March 2013, 16:21:59
or the feet or the fact that the entire bottom is not flat or something. whatever it is it doesn't look quite right to me


Show Image
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/187310982738_zpsb8aea564.jpg)

look at the back of the case - something like half an inch is angled up so it rests on the rear feet.



It sits perfectly flat in this photo. The back pegs are not extended out. It may look odd, but it works as intended. You can see how exactly perfect it sits just from looking at the lines between the table and the case.


Japanese Engineering perfection. I would do dirty things to own one of these.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: calavera on Sun, 31 March 2013, 16:26:44

Japanese Engineering perfection. I would do dirty things to own one of these.


orly?






Title: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Halverson on Sun, 31 March 2013, 16:28:29

Japanese Engineering perfection. I would do dirty things to own one of these.


orly?


I second brocaps on that.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: phetto on Sun, 31 March 2013, 16:36:57
(http://i.imgur.com/ciynb.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Mike48 on Sun, 31 March 2013, 16:38:54

But in Multi Shot (Double on the mods and Triple on the APLs) PBT SA profile Keys with APL legends on the Alphas like this.
Show Image
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7596/aplbeam.jpg)


The first bit I will achieve. The second will most likely never happen  :'(

Hey, that's my keyboard. What a coincidence - I came here to say that I finally got my dream keyboard and this is it. For decades I've been searching for a keyboard with spherical keycaps angled by row, thick triple-shot PBT, with an uber-clicky switch like the Model F, thick metal case and a useful layout which is a morphing of Amiga, Mac and PC:

Show Image
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3513/metaldb.jpg)


From my research, I don't think it's possible to find any keyboard better than this in the entire history of computing. Not only that, but it's Made in Canada - manufactured just down the street from where I once lived. (sure beats "Made in China")

:)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: sth on Sun, 31 March 2013, 16:40:00

It sits perfectly flat in this photo. The back pegs are not extended out. It may look odd, but it works as intended. You can see how exactly perfect it sits just from looking at the lines between the table and the case.


it's an aesthetic thing. you can clearly see that the rear portion of the bottom angles up -- whether or not that effects the angle of the keyboard, it looks sloppy to me.
 i always thought those feet were really tacky too. they might have been well-engineered but it all looks like they were just trying to add some 'cool' factor rather than try to refine an already-nice product. i'd be really into a seamless aluminum case in the same style as the stock HHKB case, maybe with detachable feet similar to the KMAC, but i just don't get the hype around that particular HHKB... nerd appeal i guess.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 31 March 2013, 23:59:27
Pretty easy choice: Datamancer Ergo made from an M- 15
 [attachimg=1]
 [attachimg=2]
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 01 April 2013, 00:04:00
My dream keyboard is the 456GT Pink. If anyone can help me get one it'd be greatly appreciated :D
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 01 April 2013, 00:29:01
The 356 mini isn't my ideal board because of the layout.. but whatever switches this dude is using sound amazing. If he's the same person who put the gallery up on DT then he's using grey switches with a custom spring.

Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Michael on Mon, 01 April 2013, 00:31:39
he's using grey switches with a custom spring.



Wonder if it's tactile or linear greys
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 01 April 2013, 00:32:27
Is it dark grey tactile, light grey linear? Or other way around
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: gnubag on Mon, 01 April 2013, 00:32:51
he's using grey switches with a custom spring.



Wonder if it's tactile or linear greys

IIRC they were tactile greys (not the dark ones.) also i think he is using 55g springs (video title?!)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 01 April 2013, 00:37:19
He's using light grey IIRC which are tactile. On paper it's my perfect switch.. Tactile, fairly light, and sounds divine. I need to try these ergo greys as well as ergo clears and then decide which I like best.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: calavera on Mon, 01 April 2013, 01:36:18
lol, the youtube clip is 55g with vintage blacks and he's just bottoming out on the plate mounted switches there.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 01 April 2013, 01:49:38
So it's basically Cherry reds.

I personally prefer the sound of clicky alps when typing just for the pleasure. They sound the most keyboardy IMO.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: calavera on Mon, 01 April 2013, 02:05:50
Yes and no. There's no way in hell he'd just put 55g springs in there and call it a day. Just the fact that he used vintage blacks and it's a 356 mini, I bet he has it lubed properly, stickered, the whole nine yards. So I can guarantee you they're different from cherry reds.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: drdoooom on Mon, 01 April 2013, 20:31:08
[size=78%]wtf is it made out of for 6200? is there an official site for this thing?[/size]


http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/156 (http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/156)


There are also some hand-painted Japanese urushi-nuri key caps. Read on to understand...

looks pretty fancy. i wonder what that red paint is? ninja blood i presume?
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Mike48 on Mon, 01 April 2013, 22:52:28
As long as we're on the subject of dream boards, here are a few more of mine (in my dreams, that is):

These are PC/Windows boards extended a bit beyond the 104-key layout. I added a Sleep key and 4 more function keys. The same case can then also be used for a Mac version with all 109 Mac keys and functions, like in my previous image post. It would be especially cool if (at least on the Windows board) these extra function keys were programmable -- or better yet, if all 16 of them were programmable.

The illuminated keytops are indeed stretching the dream a bit, especially if the switches are buckling-spring type (my favorite kind). The rendering shows sharp, evenly-lit markings with perfect detail -- although I doubt this could be achieved in the real world. I depicted all the "lock" keys as activated to draw attention to the indicator LED's; I prefer this arrangement over the usual placement in the upper-right corner of the board. This might also be tricky to implement with B/S switches, but I think I can figure out a method to do it.

Hope you all enjoy the drawings!
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: monday on Tue, 02 April 2013, 00:05:54
so as I was reading this I was thinking " ummmm is this just going to be pix of keyboards or no? don't most ppl just have there dream keyboard?" then a friend was like "well what if its to much $$" then i was like "but a grand is not to much??" so long story short I ended up thinking about how I * in the past * would just buy the cheapest thing I could find, and now I don't think a grand is to much for a keyboard (need less to say I have 6 mec keyboards)

 But on to my dream keyboard ...is a 60% blue alps (that im working on right now) with all blank black keys. BTW's I tried to die my alps key caps didn't work well here's a pic

(http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y467/daysofgame/IMG_20130227_032245_zps8904b622.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 02 April 2013, 00:32:58
You've probably seen all these pics. None of which are mine.

(http://i.imgur.com/NXvAEZ0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/RZPVqLU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/o61OQBs.jpg)

Please... someone get me this.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: calavera on Tue, 02 April 2013, 02:20:58
One came up for sale a few days ago. I was surprised because the pink one never comes up for sale.. EVER. You have a better chance of seeing unicorn throw up rainbows on mars.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: strafe on Tue, 02 April 2013, 04:38:47
I'd like something like this with a separate numpad.

(http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/2961/dreamkeyboard.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/195/dreamkeyboard.jpg/)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: llovro on Tue, 02 April 2013, 08:10:23
You've probably seen all these pics. None of which are mine.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NXvAEZ0.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/RZPVqLU.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o61OQBs.jpg)


Please... someone get me this.
same for me... That GT456... And that case... it makes me cry...
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 02 April 2013, 09:55:00
my dream keyboard is actually a keyboard I owned years ago and sold (yes, I'm stupid).

IBM Model M, Space saver (tenkeyless). 1987 model.

You can find something that looked like it:

http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/categories.main/parentcat/9242

Except... I want a flourescent green casing and a flourescent yellow keys (preferably glow in the dark!)

A keyboard like that literally glows, HAHA!
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: llovro on Tue, 02 April 2013, 10:14:36
One came up for sale a few days ago. I was surprised because the pink one never comes up for sale.. EVER. You have a better chance of seeing unicorn throw up rainbows on mars.
do you maybe know for how much was it sold?
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: czarek on Tue, 02 April 2013, 11:27:56
I dream about Unicomp tenkeyless or HHKB (definitely not the poker or any other 60% layout, HHKB is the only true 60% layout for me) layout with a pointing stick and options (DIP switches) for Windows, Mac and Unix layouts...
Would be nice if it was slightly better build quality than current keyboards.
If it used capacitive switches like Model F it would be even better but I don't even dare dreaming about it :D
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: calavera on Tue, 02 April 2013, 19:22:26
One came up for sale a few days ago. I was surprised because the pink one never comes up for sale.. EVER. You have a better chance of seeing unicorn throw up rainbows on mars.
do you maybe know for how much was it sold?

You're not allowed to make profit off group buy products so it went for the original group buy price, 450k Won or $402 going by today's rate. This was an un-assembled so no soldering done at all and no switches.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 02 April 2013, 21:37:00
Sigh. That's nothing, I should have gotten it.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 02 April 2013, 21:50:45
You've probably seen all these pics. None of which are mine.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NXvAEZ0.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/RZPVqLU.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/o61OQBs.jpg)


Please... someone get me this.

Does anyone know what angle that's at? It looks way too steep for my liking.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: PointyFox on Tue, 02 April 2013, 22:22:13
(http://www.geeksgears.com/myimg/DIY_white.jpg)
This, but with a white body and  MX Green switches.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 02 April 2013, 22:30:49
Since we're talking impossible boards, I want an ergo-dox style 55g topre with MX adapters so I can put my keycap collection on it.

Who can argue wrist health + cuprubberoneness + custom keycaps?
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: hasu on Wed, 03 April 2013, 02:49:50
- Small foot print: 64keys(60%) or 48keys
- Thumb keys: split of space bar
- Palm keys: right/left bottom keys that HHKB lacks.
- Silent: low noise
- Trackpoint: or good mouse key

(http://i.imgur.com/Xlf9fdF.png)

Close. (Not mine)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OEtHb_J_HHY/T6vQpmNKLvI/AAAAAAAAGtc/Vn2XYwklyLs/s685/IMG_20120510_224201.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 03 April 2013, 09:06:26
Pretty easy choice: Datamancer Ergo made from an M- 15
  (Attachment Link)
  (Attachment Link)

That's a work of art...  Beautiful.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: sth on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:43:27
- Small foot print: 64keys(60%) or 48keys
- Thumb keys: split of space bar
- Palm keys: right/left bottom keys that HHKB lacks.
- Silent: low noise
- Trackpoint: or good mouse key

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Xlf9fdF.png)


Close. (Not mine)
Show Image
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OEtHb_J_HHY/T6vQpmNKLvI/AAAAAAAAGtc/Vn2XYwklyLs/s685/IMG_20120510_224201.jpg)



not exactly the same but hey
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/61/HyperMini_7BIT.png)
they were talking about a trackpoint option as well IIRC
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: hoasican2004 on Wed, 10 April 2013, 02:18:36
my poker custom ^^ 

(http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss151/hoasican2004/POKERrendercopy_zps147cf78f.jpg)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 10 April 2013, 02:33:07
Miami set on my filco
Title: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 10 April 2013, 02:45:18
Miami set on my filco

Miami on my peacock :)
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 10 April 2013, 03:02:19
I wish I could post pictures... But alas... It's but a dream...
Title: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 10 April 2013, 03:05:46
I wish I could post pictures... But alas... It's but a dream...

We need a 3D rendering to spark interest. Although I think the perfect set would be GMK, and to hit MOQ on Miami....
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 10 April 2013, 04:05:33
It won't happen. We couldn't make it work with SP and that ANCI only... It's a dream and will remain that way untill I or someone else can simply pay for 300odd sets or what ever and sell them off privately
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 10 April 2013, 08:14:02
What would Will Smith think about our inability to welcome Miami!?
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 10 April 2013, 08:15:23
He'd Jig it out.
Title: Re: Post your Dream Keyboard.jpg
Post by: Coumbaya on Sat, 04 May 2013, 03:45:16
Pretty much this :
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2739/1367375928944.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/90/1367375928944.jpg/)