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Title: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: ASETNIOP on Wed, 27 March 2013, 14:20:48
Hi everybody, I'm Zack Dennis, the designer of the ASETNIOP keyboard replacement system.  I'm interested in seeing whether my design can help folks who have issues using normal keyboards (carpal tunnel, Ehler-Danlos, etc.) and would love to hear from anyone who has thoughts on the subject.
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: william on Wed, 27 March 2013, 20:39:20
i sent you an email before about the possibility of making the system work with a gamepad, but you never replied to it....
but welcome to the community anyway.

i'm still interested in the idea of chorded typing on some sort of hand-held device.
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 27 March 2013, 21:33:32
Quote from: ASETNIOP on Wed, 27 March 2013, 14:20:48
Hi everybody, I'm Zack Dennis, the designer of the ASETNIOP keyboard replacement system.  I'm interested in seeing whether my design can help folks who have issues using normal keyboards (carpal tunnel, Ehler-Danlos, etc.) and would love to hear from anyone who has thoughts on the subject.


Welcome! I am typing this on my hated 2D tablet keyboard instead of my beloved Model M, and am very interested in your approach.

Have you considered a physical 10-key design using (e.g.) the back side of a tablet for the fingers and the front for the thumbs? For that matter, have you considered ANY physical implementation?

I would be delighted to discuss any of the above further.

And again, WELCOME!

 - Ron I samwisekoi
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: ASETNIOP on Thu, 28 March 2013, 08:35:09
Quote from: william on Wed, 27 March 2013, 20:39:20
i sent you an email before about the possibility of making the system work with a gamepad, but you never replied to it....
but welcome to the community anyway.

i'm still interested in the idea of chorded typing on some sort of hand-held device.

Hi William,
Please accept my sincere apology - I try to respond to everything, especially anytime someone expresses interest in using ASETNIOP with an alternative device.  I went on a pretty long break; maybe something ended up in my spam folder and cycled through before I was back...but I'm genuinely sorry for not getting back to you. 

Do you know if javascript receives events from game controllers?  If they come in as keyboard codes, you can head over to http://asetniop.com/keyboardDebug.html and just punch in the buttons you'd want to use as your keys - starting with the left pinky and moving right - and then send me the keycodes and I can update the JSON arrays so that you'd be able to start using a game controller to type in literally 5 minutes.  It might not be quite that simple...but I don't think it will be very hard, either. 

Anyhow, you can reach me directly at zack (at) asetniop.com - feel free to drop me a line!

Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: ASETNIOP on Thu, 28 March 2013, 08:42:28
Quote from: samwisekoi on Wed, 27 March 2013, 21:33:32
Quote from: ASETNIOP on Wed, 27 March 2013, 14:20:48
Hi everybody, I'm Zack Dennis, the designer of the ASETNIOP keyboard replacement system.  I'm interested in seeing whether my design can help folks who have issues using normal keyboards (carpal tunnel, Ehler-Danlos, etc.) and would love to hear from anyone who has thoughts on the subject.


Welcome! I am typing this on my hated 2D tablet keyboard instead of my beloved Model M, and am very interested in your approach.

Have you considered a physical 10-key design using (e.g.) the back side of a tablet for the fingers and the front for the thumbs? For that matter, have you considered ANY physical implementation?

I would be delighted to discuss any of the above further.

And again, WELCOME!

 - Ron I samwisekoi

Hi Ron,
Thanks for the warm welcome!  I haven't tried the buttons-in-back approach (though I did encounter a patent for it when I was doing my IP research) but I have put together a couple of other physical implementations beyond the basic tablet and keyboard - I've got a set of keyboard gloves that I made (you can see them in action here - please do not mock me, I have zero electronics experience) and I used the Jazz plugin with a synthesizer that I borrowed to make it work with a piano - see the videos below.

Drop me a line at zack (at) asetniop.com and let me know if you've got additional ideas - I want to apply ASETNIOP to anything and everything that has or can have ten buttons.  I recently found out about MaKey MaKey and am pretty thrilled at all the different possibilities that are on hand with a setup like that...I can't wait to build a keyboard out of bananas.

The gloves:


The piano:
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 28 March 2013, 09:53:42
Quote from: ASETNIOP on Thu, 28 March 2013, 08:42:28
Hi Ron,
Thanks for the warm welcome!  I haven't tried the buttons-in-back approach (though I did encounter a patent for it when I was doing my IP research) but I have put together a couple of other physical implementations beyond the basic tablet and keyboard - I've got a set of keyboard gloves that I made (you can see them in action here - please do not mock me, I have zero electronics experience) and I used the Jazz plugin with a synthesizer that I borrowed to make it work with a piano - see the videos below.

Drop me a line at zack (at) asetniop.com and let me know if you've got additional ideas - I want to apply ASETNIOP to anything and everything that has or can have ten buttons.  I recently found out about MaKey MaKey and am pretty thrilled at all the different possibilities that are on hand with a setup like that...I can't wait to build a keyboard out of bananas.

And where patents roam, there are always patent trolls... <sigh>

Here is a mock-up of a case augmentation for a Nexus 7.  I've put a column of 4 keys on each back edge pointed away from the rear of the tablet and a pair of switches on the front so the thumbs can push them down.

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Example image.  Not to scale.

Can your code fit in a Teensy?

Best regards!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: william on Thu, 28 March 2013, 12:07:52
Quote from: ASETNIOP on Thu, 28 March 2013, 08:35:09
Do you know if javascript receives events from game controllers?

it looks like the standards for this are still being worked on by W3C, but there are implementations in the nightly builds/betas of FireFox and Chrome.

https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gamepad/raw-file/default/gamepad.html (https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gamepad/raw-file/default/gamepad.html)
https://wiki.mozilla.org/GamepadAPI (https://wiki.mozilla.org/GamepadAPI)
http://www.gamepadjs.com/ (http://www.gamepadjs.com/)

that last link is likely the most interesting. I haven't played with it yet, but i think i will at some point.
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: ASETNIOP on Thu, 28 March 2013, 12:56:41
Quote from: samwisekoi on Thu, 28 March 2013, 09:53:42

And where patents roam, there are always patent trolls... <sigh>

Here is a mock-up of a case augmentation for a Nexus 7.  I've put a column of 4 keys on each back edge pointed away from the rear of the tablet and a pair of switches on the front so the thumbs can push them down.

(Attachment Link)
Example image.  Not to scale.

Can your code fit in a Teensy?

Best regards!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)


That's gorgeous...based on what I see in the specs, I think it would fit fine in a Teensy.  The limiting factor would be the autocorrect/autofilly dictionaries - but they're not all that big either (~500k for a 20k English dictionary in the JSON format that I've put things into). 
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 30 March 2013, 20:25:18
Interesting videos! I'm not sure how practical that glove or the piano is though.

You don't see very many of these types of welcome threads  ^-^
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 30 March 2013, 20:27:06
Whoah that's really interesting, welcome!
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: ASETNIOP on Sun, 31 March 2013, 19:41:52
Quote from: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 30 March 2013, 20:25:18
Interesting videos! I'm not sure how practical that glove or the piano is though.

You don't see very many of these types of welcome threads  ^-^

Thanks!  I like it here already :)

Yeah, this stuff is just conceptual demos to show the versatility of this kind of method.  If everything were integrated into something nice and sleek, the gloves would actually be pretty cool...or maybe someday we'll have chips implanted in our fingertips for that sort of thing.  The piano...well the piano is probably only useful for someone who's got a computer fully dedicated to music production - but could be handy for things like jotting down lyrics or naming files. 
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: TristanTrim on Mon, 25 July 2016, 17:13:06
Quote from: samwisekoi on Thu, 28 March 2013, 09:53:42
Quote from: ASETNIOP on Thu, 28 March 2013, 08:42:28
Can your code fit in a Teensy?

Hey, I built a keyboard based on asetniop and teensy: https://github.com/TristanTrim/asetniop-keyboard

Btw, not sure you're policies here on necrobumping... hopefully it's ok.
Title: Re: Greetings from ASETNIOP
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 26 July 2016, 05:57:59
Welcome to Geekhack!

Fantastic idea, and well-executed too :)

I'm not sure if this would fit best into ergonomics (https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=125.0) or making stuff together (https://geekhack.org/index.php?board=117.0).

There's huge interest around here in making keyboard-related things (or other input devices), as you can see from the interest above, and not many people usually check the new members area :))