Also my video here:I'm not saying Ducky is better or worse (I haven't even seen a Ducky in person).
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Also my video here:I'm not saying Ducky is better or worse (I haven't even seen a Ducky in person).
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A lot of the noise on your Filco spacebar is related to the amount of lube. Some companies use more, some less. Adding a bit would really alter how it sounds and feels. This applies to both types of stabilizers. I would bet the Ducky didn't spare any, while Filco seems to be rather cheap about it.
As to the key wobble, it's mostly the switch itself. I have one keyboard with keys that are so tight, I though it would break the stem coming off, and they still wobble as much as much as you show in the video. There is speculation that Cherry has changed something recently in the switches as there seems to be an uptick in number of bad switches, particularly blues not clicking.
I think the wobble has a lot to do with how the switch is attached to the surrounding casing and plate. Also, the sounds were not from lube or lack there of, it was because the inner bar was either bent or not constructed properly and was causing it to feel loose within the key. I would chalk this up to something I might have done, but it was present on every stabilized key.
My Ducky Shine 2, when I first got it, was stiff from needing lube and the difference between poor manufacturing and 'needing lube' is definitely something more felt. The squeek in my Ducky was more of a 'brand new' feeling and eventually broke in. But the sounds the Filco made when using it made it feel cheap. It's hard to explain, which is why I created the video.
What I really don't understand is how the Filco was more noisy even when I switched the keys to the Ducky ones just to make side by side comparison. I know I say this a lot, but I feel like Filco is hugely over hyped and there are a plethora of better boards with more options on the market. I was simply not impressed and like I said, it is more of a feeling. When I cracked open my Ducky Shine 2, I immediately noticed the difference. Hard to explain, but it just oozes quality and attention to detail.
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I think the wobble has a lot to do with how the switch is attached to the surrounding casing and plate. Also, the sounds were not from lube or lack there of, it was because the inner bar was either bent or not constructed properly and was causing it to feel loose within the key. I would chalk this up to something I might have done, but it was present on every stabilized key.While I do think Filco is overpriced, and a bit over-rated, they are still one of the best options. Though admittedly, other companies are really starting to close in. The QFR being one of the leaders on this, give it another year and Filco will be in dire need of an update or price drop.
My Ducky Shine 2, when I first got it, was stiff from needing lube and the difference between poor manufacturing and 'needing lube' is definitely something more felt. The squeek in my Ducky was more of a 'brand new' feeling and eventually broke in. But the sounds the Filco made when using it made it feel cheap. It's hard to explain, which is why I created the video.
What I really don't understand is how the Filco was more noisy even when I switched the keys to the Ducky ones just to make side by side comparison. I know I say this a lot, but I feel like Filco is hugely over hyped and there are a plethora of better boards with more options on the market. I was simply not impressed and like I said, it is more of a feeling. When I cracked open my Ducky Shine 2, I immediately noticed the difference. Hard to explain, but it just oozes quality and attention to detail.
This is where I disagree. I just cannot justify, even at this present time, someone purchasing a Filco Majestouch 2 at $130 when you can get a Ducky Shine 2 for $10 cheaper and includes full backlighting with amazing lighting effects and options, dip switch options, removable USB cable (with routing on the bottom makes this udoubtabely a pro), quieter case design, better quality stock keys and a far more active presence.And despite all that, they are still selling quite well. While you can say that we here at GH over promote it, we are but a small, teeny tiny fraction of the keyboard buying public. Maybe there is a sea of change coming, maybe Ducky will become the next Filco. Who knows.
I could go on, but disagreeing with these points would just be doing so for that sake of doing.
Just because you cannot justify it doesn't mean that others can't. You have to remember that it's entirely a matter of opinion, and just because you like a feature doesn't mean that everyone else does aswell. I know that a lot of people dislike backlighting, and find the lighting effects vulgar. I also know that a lot of people don't care about removable cables and DIP switch options. Also, you complain about the keys with stabilisers making a noise.. This is because they're costar stabilisers and not cherry stabilisers. I, and many others, think cherry stabilisers feel mushy and would prefer costars... it's just unfortunate that costars usually make a noise without lubrication.I think the wobble has a lot to do with how the switch is attached to the surrounding casing and plate. Also, the sounds were not from lube or lack there of, it was because the inner bar was either bent or not constructed properly and was causing it to feel loose within the key. I would chalk this up to something I might have done, but it was present on every stabilized key.While I do think Filco is overpriced, and a bit over-rated, they are still one of the best options. Though admittedly, other companies are really starting to close in. The QFR being one of the leaders on this, give it another year and Filco will be in dire need of an update or price drop.
My Ducky Shine 2, when I first got it, was stiff from needing lube and the difference between poor manufacturing and 'needing lube' is definitely something more felt. The squeek in my Ducky was more of a 'brand new' feeling and eventually broke in. But the sounds the Filco made when using it made it feel cheap. It's hard to explain, which is why I created the video.
What I really don't understand is how the Filco was more noisy even when I switched the keys to the Ducky ones just to make side by side comparison. I know I say this a lot, but I feel like Filco is hugely over hyped and there are a plethora of better boards with more options on the market. I was simply not impressed and like I said, it is more of a feeling. When I cracked open my Ducky Shine 2, I immediately noticed the difference. Hard to explain, but it just oozes quality and attention to detail.
This is where I disagree. I just cannot justify, even at this present time, someone purchasing a Filco Majestouch 2 at $130 when you can get a Ducky Shine 2 for $10 cheaper and includes full backlighting with amazing lighting effects and options, dip switch options, removable USB cable (with routing on the bottom makes this udoubtabely a pro), quieter case design, better quality stock keys and a far more active presence.
I could go on, but disagreeing with these points would just be doing so for that sake of doing.
Filcos are overpriced and over hyped. Ducky is the top brand and is getting more recognition now. The difference on Geekhack forums has been favorable towards the, now too. I think anyone who has their newer line (Ducky Shine 2 and Pro) is recognizing them as the leader in quality, originality and innovation.Most of that, if not all of that, is false or a matter of opinion and I can say with certainty that none of it is fact.
My choice for no-bull**** tier:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=220
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=206
My choice for no-bull**** no-modding CHEAP tier:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=262
Thanks! Those are all interesting options.
I've read a few horror stories about Vortex keyboards; should I be worried? Especially since I can't find them available in Europe anywhere.
Comparing the Ducky Zero to the Shine 2, what differences are there aside of the backlighting?
Just because you cannot justify it doesn't mean that others can't. You have to remember that it's entirely a matter of opinion, and just because you like a feature doesn't mean that everyone else does aswell. I know that a lot of people dislike backlighting, and find the lighting effects vulgar. I also know that a lot of people don't care about removable cables and DIP switch options. Also, you complain about the keys with stabilisers making a noise.. This is because they're costar stabilisers and not cherry stabilisers. I, and many others, think cherry stabilisers feel mushy and would prefer costars... it's just unfortunate that costars usually make a noise without lubrication.I think the wobble has a lot to do with how the switch is attached to the surrounding casing and plate. Also, the sounds were not from lube or lack there of, it was because the inner bar was either bent or not constructed properly and was causing it to feel loose within the key. I would chalk this up to something I might have done, but it was present on every stabilized key.While I do think Filco is overpriced, and a bit over-rated, they are still one of the best options. Though admittedly, other companies are really starting to close in. The QFR being one of the leaders on this, give it another year and Filco will be in dire need of an update or price drop.
My Ducky Shine 2, when I first got it, was stiff from needing lube and the difference between poor manufacturing and 'needing lube' is definitely something more felt. The squeek in my Ducky was more of a 'brand new' feeling and eventually broke in. But the sounds the Filco made when using it made it feel cheap. It's hard to explain, which is why I created the video.
What I really don't understand is how the Filco was more noisy even when I switched the keys to the Ducky ones just to make side by side comparison. I know I say this a lot, but I feel like Filco is hugely over hyped and there are a plethora of better boards with more options on the market. I was simply not impressed and like I said, it is more of a feeling. When I cracked open my Ducky Shine 2, I immediately noticed the difference. Hard to explain, but it just oozes quality and attention to detail.
This is where I disagree. I just cannot justify, even at this present time, someone purchasing a Filco Majestouch 2 at $130 when you can get a Ducky Shine 2 for $10 cheaper and includes full backlighting with amazing lighting effects and options, dip switch options, removable USB cable (with routing on the bottom makes this udoubtabely a pro), quieter case design, better quality stock keys and a far more active presence.
I could go on, but disagreeing with these points would just be doing so for that sake of doing.
I have tried a new Ducky model (can't remember the exact model) that my friend owns, and I do agree that it's a high quality board. I would go so far as to say that its quality is on par with the Filco's, but I disagree that its quality is better than that of the Filco.
At the end of the day it really is all opinion. The things you're complaining about are things that some people actually like, and the things that you like about the Ducky are not things that everyone likes. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, but it annoys me when you say things as if they are facts. For example in the comments of your video you said :QuoteFilcos are overpriced and over hyped. Ducky is the top brand and is getting more recognition now. The difference on Geekhack forums has been favorable towards the, now too. I think anyone who has their newer line (Ducky Shine 2 and Pro) is recognizing them as the leader in quality, originality and innovation.Most of that, if not all of that, is false or a matter of opinion and I can say with certainty that none of it is fact.
Just because you cannot justify it doesn't mean that others can't. You have to remember that it's entirely a matter of opinion, and just because you like a feature doesn't mean that everyone else does aswell. I know that a lot of people dislike backlighting, and find the lighting effects vulgar. I also know that a lot of people don't care about removable cables and DIP switch options. Also, you complain about the keys with stabilisers making a noise.. This is because they're costar stabilisers and not cherry stabilisers. I, and many others, think cherry stabilisers feel mushy and would prefer costars... it's just unfortunate that costars usually make a noise without lubrication.I think the wobble has a lot to do with how the switch is attached to the surrounding casing and plate. Also, the sounds were not from lube or lack there of, it was because the inner bar was either bent or not constructed properly and was causing it to feel loose within the key. I would chalk this up to something I might have done, but it was present on every stabilized key.While I do think Filco is overpriced, and a bit over-rated, they are still one of the best options. Though admittedly, other companies are really starting to close in. The QFR being one of the leaders on this, give it another year and Filco will be in dire need of an update or price drop.
My Ducky Shine 2, when I first got it, was stiff from needing lube and the difference between poor manufacturing and 'needing lube' is definitely something more felt. The squeek in my Ducky was more of a 'brand new' feeling and eventually broke in. But the sounds the Filco made when using it made it feel cheap. It's hard to explain, which is why I created the video.
What I really don't understand is how the Filco was more noisy even when I switched the keys to the Ducky ones just to make side by side comparison. I know I say this a lot, but I feel like Filco is hugely over hyped and there are a plethora of better boards with more options on the market. I was simply not impressed and like I said, it is more of a feeling. When I cracked open my Ducky Shine 2, I immediately noticed the difference. Hard to explain, but it just oozes quality and attention to detail.
This is where I disagree. I just cannot justify, even at this present time, someone purchasing a Filco Majestouch 2 at $130 when you can get a Ducky Shine 2 for $10 cheaper and includes full backlighting with amazing lighting effects and options, dip switch options, removable USB cable (with routing on the bottom makes this udoubtabely a pro), quieter case design, better quality stock keys and a far more active presence.
I could go on, but disagreeing with these points would just be doing so for that sake of doing.
I have tried a new Ducky model (can't remember the exact model) that my friend owns, and I do agree that it's a high quality board. I would go so far as to say that its quality is on par with the Filco's, but I disagree that its quality is better than that of the Filco.
At the end of the day it really is all opinion. The things you're complaining about are things that some people actually like, and the things that you like about the Ducky are not things that everyone likes. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, but it annoys me when you say things as if they are facts. For example in the comments of your video you said :QuoteFilcos are overpriced and over hyped. Ducky is the top brand and is getting more recognition now. The difference on Geekhack forums has been favorable towards the, now too. I think anyone who has their newer line (Ducky Shine 2 and Pro) is recognizing them as the leader in quality, originality and innovation.Most of that, if not all of that, is false or a matter of opinion and I can say with certainty that none of it is fact.
I don't have to remember anything and my point stands. I am not trying to be rude, but it seems like you are missing the context of the post. I am not saying that others cannot justify buying a Filco, but rather that "I" cannot justify it. Especially when cheaper boards, like the Ducky Shine 2 in this example, are cheaper yet add additional options and even as you say, are on par or better made than the Filco.
Like I said, I FEEL that they are over hyped and over priced. If anyone disagrees, then like I said, they are simply disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. Whether or not people care about those additional options, the fact is they still remain at a cheaper price point. This is not opinion... this is fact.
Filco would be much better if they didn't continue to sell keyboards with their terrible ABS keycaps.
This is an interesting thread... perhaps mechanical boards aren't for you, your complaint is of something most are seeking, an audible click, that some would call a PING. I have the FILCO with dampeners and Cherry MX browns... it has been well used for nearly 6 months now, and it is pure silk. But yes, it is a loud board. The dampeners have helped with the noise but when I use it, it is clear that I am typing. I use it in my home office, and for work, if I had to share an office, it would not be the right board.
Good luck on your quest.