No Stealth with Clears? I could probably be convinced to buy one of those. Heck, I might just buy one of these.
Clear cases, you say?
You're telling me you actually USE your keyboards? Dude, I knew you had problems, but...
We actually received a sample of white and could look at bringing that in down the line...same with ergo clears :) We just have a lot of projects down the pipeline that sometimes expanding too much will slow down the others.
I'd be interested in ergo clears. I've always wanted to try them. Love CM's attention to the community.
well i mean.. we're their sheep so to speak... gotta treat us right if they want fluffy coats... :D
ALSO, they don't have to give us ergo clears...
WHAT would be nice, is easy swap plates... Putting the 4 little notches into the plate holes, so we can have a CHOICE of ergo clears should we choose. :D
I mean.. they can hold off on full programmability for the Anniversary edition.. but you gotta give people the option of easy access switch slots for MX clear, you just gotta
Pretty awesome for consumers. Would bring lotsa renewed interest for the_beast's MX switch claw grippers for spring swapping.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This ruffles my jimmies a bit. LOL! Just purchased a QFR with Browns so I can mod them into Ergo-clears... now I'm stuck with looking for Clear switches when I could've just gotten this... *sigh*
Pretty awesome for consumers. Would bring lotsa renewed interest for the_beast's MX switch claw grippers for spring swapping.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This ruffles my jimmies a bit. LOL! Just purchased a QFR with Browns so I can mod them into Ergo-clears... now I'm stuck with looking for Clear switches when I could've just gotten this... *sigh*
But what will happen quicker....you finding clear switches or this actually getting released.... ;)
But what will happen quicker....you finding clear switches or this actually getting released.... ;)
I already have 42 of 87 available for VesperSAINT and will probably have the other 45 soon ;)
Wonder if it will be coming to Australia?
Haven't seen one with greens yet.
Wonder if it will be coming to Australia?
Haven't seen one with greens yet.
Probably not. I think companies just like to release products in the rest of the world and laugh at Australians.
Wonder if it will be coming to Australia?
Haven't seen one with greens yet.
Probably not. I think companies just like to release products in the rest of the world and laugh at Australians.
I would note that the only place I've seen online that still has Ducky Shine 2 - 78 version in stock is in... New Zealand. Plus, you guys get Leopolds. ;D
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This ruffles my jimmies a bit. LOL! Just purchased a QFR with Browns so I can mod them into Ergo-clears... now I'm stuck with looking for Clear switches when I could've just gotten this... *sigh*
No Stealth with Clears? I could probably be convinced to buy one of those. Heck, I might just buy one of these.
All that was confirmed is clears. Limiting the imagination seems silly.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. This ruffles my jimmies a bit. LOL! Just purchased a QFR with Browns so I can mod them into Ergo-clears... now I'm stuck with looking for Clear switches when I could've just gotten this... *sigh*
Im in the same boat, i just bought 100 clear switches, a new plate and everything. could have saved a good amount of money buying this. oh well.
Im in the same boat, i just bought 100 clear switches, a new plate and everything. could have saved a good amount of money buying this. oh well.
I'm sort of in the same scenario as well: bought an ergo-clear QFR from l3oilermaker. However, I want to put in 65g springs instead, so I don't feel so bad :P
Does anyone know easy-to-find new Cherry boards with MX Clear? Or with POM?
Does anyone know easy-to-find new Cherry boards with MX Clear? Or with POM?
Does the CM reps still hang out around here at all?
Right before I was about to buy a Ducky with clears, this news gets released.
Decisions, decisions...
Right before I was about to buy a Ducky with clears, this news gets released.
Decisions, decisions...
I'm sure CM will improve on quality but if you want it now Ducky is a very solid board.
I'll consider getting the CM just to compare when/if it comes out and is available to me.
I'm sure CM will improve on quality but if you want it now Ducky is a very solid board.
I'll consider getting the CM just to compare when/if it comes out and is available to me.
Yeah, I'd definitely just grab the Ducky Shine II w/ Clears if you have the money. The Ducky has a lot more technical features than any CM keyboard out right now, including a double sided PCB, USB NKRO, etc. Not to mention the multiple backlighting options, if that's your kind of thing.
Thank you both for the input. I already have a QFR with browns so I'll go with the Ducky, since mechanical keyboard diversification is never a bad thing :)
I'd be interested in ergo clears. I've always wanted to try them. Love CM's attention to the community.
well i mean.. we're their sheep so to speak... gotta treat us right if they want fluffy coats... :D
ALSO, they don't have to give us ergo clears...
WHAT would be nice, is easy swap plates... Putting the 4 little notches into the plate holes, so we can have a CHOICE of ergo clears should we choose. :D
I mean.. they can hold off on full programmability for the Anniversary edition.. but you gotta give people the option of easy access switch slots for MX clear, you just gotta
I'd be interested in ergo clears. I've always wanted to try them. Love CM's attention to the community.
well i mean.. we're their sheep so to speak... gotta treat us right if they want fluffy coats... :D
ALSO, they don't have to give us ergo clears...
WHAT would be nice, is easy swap plates... Putting the 4 little notches into the plate holes, so we can have a CHOICE of ergo clears should we choose. :D
I mean.. they can hold off on full programmability for the Anniversary edition.. but you gotta give people the option of easy access switch slots for MX clear, you just gotta
Very true. But in this day in age, even with the internet and forums, some companies still seem quite distant from what the consumer really wants. CM has been great in that aspect.
The swap-able switch top plate from the factory would be a very nice breakthrough for the keyboard community. It's one of those things that would add little if any to manufacturing costs but be huge in terms of options for the consumer. And it wouldn't effect the general public that doesn't care to swap springs or tops. However, the only negative from a business standpoint would be the decline of returning customers. But hardcore keyboard enthusiasts are such a niche market that I wouldn't think it would be that big of a deal. Especially with the sales boost these alone would bring.
They've already offered unbranded cases to the community, so... why not?
Hmmm. Not sure. In my opinion, from a purely business perspective, I don't see them needing/wanting to add a custom plate or any modding options. Businesses tend to not like their customers messing with their products in any way or form because of warranty issues and so on. I'm sure the companies have workers who will side with the community but the ones at top will probably just vote against it. If only all people working at companies were also die hard enthusiasts of the products they made :(
Hmmm. Not sure. In my opinion, from a purely business perspective, I don't see them needing/wanting to add a custom plate or any modding options. Businesses tend to not like their customers messing with their products in any way or form because of warranty issues and so on. I'm sure the companies have workers who will side with the community but the ones at top will probably just vote against it. If only all people working at companies were also die hard enthusiasts of the products they made :(
I see where your coming from. But it wouldn't be too hard or expensive to throw in some extra notches in the plate. I wouldn't have a problem if they void the warranty if you break the case open. You should know what your doing before taking a keyboard apart anyways.
Hmmm. Not sure. In my opinion, from a purely business perspective, I don't see them needing/wanting to add a custom plate or any modding options. Businesses tend to not like their customers messing with their products in any way or form because of warranty issues and so on. I'm sure the companies have workers who will side with the community but the ones at top will probably just vote against it. If only all people working at companies were also die hard enthusiasts of the products they made :(
I see where your coming from. But it wouldn't be too hard or expensive to throw in some extra notches in the plate. I wouldn't have a problem if they void the warranty if you break the case open. You should know what your doing before taking a keyboard apart anyways.
Yeah I agree with you but unfortunately the majority of their customers are retarded average Joe's who will try to pull off some bull**** lie/excuse to get their keyboards RMA'd for damages caused by negligence, which is why companies will always draw a clear and very defined line on just what they will cover in their warranties and will have a no tolerance policy. It's all about risk prevention and preventing any kind of loss in money. It's unfortunate but, in the end, they are just business men more than passionate enthusiasts :( Of course, I hope I'm wrong :P
Hmmm. Not sure. In my opinion, from a purely business perspective, I don't see them needing/wanting to add a custom plate or any modding options. Businesses tend to not like their customers messing with their products in any way or form because of warranty issues and so on. I'm sure the companies have workers who will side with the community but the ones at top will probably just vote against it. If only all people working at companies were also die hard enthusiasts of the products they made :(
I see where your coming from. But it wouldn't be too hard or expensive to throw in some extra notches in the plate. I wouldn't have a problem if they void the warranty if you break the case open. You should know what your doing before taking a keyboard apart anyways.
Yeah I agree with you but unfortunately the majority of their customers are retarded average Joe's who will try to pull off some bull**** lie/excuse to get their keyboards RMA'd for damages caused by negligence, which is why companies will always draw a clear and very defined line on just what they will cover in their warranties and will have a no tolerance policy. It's all about risk prevention and preventing any kind of loss in money. It's unfortunate but, in the end, they are just business men more than passionate enthusiasts :( Of course, I hope I'm wrong :P
As long as they don't use that "feature" in advertising or even tell anyone about it, the general public wouldn't know about it at all. Think of it like the car world. You buy a STI with an advertised 300hp. Subaru knows the motor can handle more power. You can put a boost controller on it and up the HP, at your own risk. Except in this case it's even more cut and dry because the seals on the screws are either broke or intact.
It is really funny that this happens right after we were discussing this :P Not only did they announce a Cherry MX Clear keyboard but they also announce no Phantom-like plate :))
Show Image(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/158/326/9148130.jpg)
Cherry G80-3000LQCDE, the black one has POM keycaps as well.
Ducky Shine II w/ Clears:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=296
Cherry G80-3000LQCDE, the black one has POM keycaps as well.Ducky Shine II w/ Clears:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=296
So by the looks of it a new keyboard with MX Clear for about $50 doesn't exist. I'd be happy if someone proved me wrong though.
Yes guys, businesses do need to turn a profit or people like me are out of a job ><
Cherry G80-3000LQCDE, the black one has POM keycaps as well.Ducky Shine II w/ Clears:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=296
So by the looks of it a new keyboard with MX Clear for about $50 doesn't exist. I'd be happy if someone proved me wrong though.
Cherry G80-3000LQCDE, the black one has POM keycaps as well.Ducky Shine II w/ Clears:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=296
So by the looks of it a new keyboard with MX Clear for about $50 doesn't exist. I'd be happy if someone proved me wrong though.
I just want the switches. I'm asking because buying 90 MX Clear from 7bit will cost $60 shipped (too expensive in my opinion, considering it's only the switches!), so if exists a keyboard in that price range it'd be cool to get the switches plus something else :)
Yes guys, businesses do need to turn a profit or people like me are out of a job ><
LOLOLOL... you can turn a profit selling at $50....
But it's not about turning " a " profit, it's about turning " the most " profit, isn't that righ... :))
Yes guys, businesses do need to turn a profit or people like me are out of a job ><
LOLOLOL... you can turn a profit selling at $50....
But it's not about turning " a " profit, it's about turning " the most " profit, isn't that righ... :))
You're missing the point, deliberately or not I can't tell. Price all the components that go into a keyboard. Price the labor, too. Estimate the investment in industrial machinery, if you want to. Factor in leasing business space, shipping costs, marketing, support, etcetera, etcetera.
Now tell me how low are your costs to make that $50 keyboard, and what's your assumed profit margin.
The only reason you see cheaper prices here on the forum for custom keyboards is because people scrounge used parts, get old keyboards out of the trash, use their school's equipment, and do it as a hobby. Even so, there's at least one thread I read recently where the guy sent about $800 building his dream keyboard, and even that wasn't a full accounting.
Cherry G80-3000LQCDE, the black one has POM keycaps as well.Ducky Shine II w/ Clears:
http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=296
So by the looks of it a new keyboard with MX Clear for about $50 doesn't exist. I'd be happy if someone proved me wrong though.
Yes guys, businesses do need to turn a profit or people like me are out of a job ><
Brand new G80-3000LQCDE is sold for ~52 EUR (w/ two-year warranty, of course) in Germany. You can't get much cheaper without sacrificing quality.
I just want the switches. I'm asking because buying 90 MX Clear from 7bit will cost $60 shipped (too expensive in my opinion, considering it's only the switches!), so if exists a keyboard in that price range it'd be cool to get the switches plus something else :)
WHAT would be nice, is easy swap plates... Putting the 4 little notches into the plate holes, so we can have a CHOICE of ergo clears should we choose. :D
I mean.. they can hold off on full programmability for the Anniversary edition.. but you gotta give people the option of easy access switch slots for MX clear, you just gotta
But that's what that "DO NOT REMOVE" sticker is for, isn't it? If the user opens the keyboard it'd void the warranty (I'm assuming that there other ways for the manufacturer to reliably verify if a keyboard was opened besides that cheap sticker).
Oooo! Might have to check up on this! Never tried clears.
Oooo! Might have to check up on this! Never tried clears.
but no ergo clears. you'd have to desolder all of them.... and given that it's a budget base board.. you do not want to be modding all 87 switches..
You mentioned a VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE of people would be opening their boards.. if it's a very small percentage, then what is CM worried about. and there'd be a smaller subset of truly "dishonest" people who'd try to scam CM
and I really think you overestimate how incompetent the average user is.. Opening the top of the key switch requires Forks and Spoons Mastery level 1... Chopsticks + 1 would help but not necessary.
In fact.. I've done it with the use of 2 forks.
You mentioned a VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE of people would be opening their boards.. if it's a very small percentage, then what is CM worried about. and there'd be a smaller subset of truly "dishonest" people who'd try to scam CM
Currently, No mass-produced boards with plates has the option to open up switches. But I'm sure if CM put this option in, and marketed it on their boards, consumers will be curious enough to open one up. Once the switch is opened, there could be so many things that could go wrong. You can lose any one of the small pieces, or accidentally bend the metal leaf sticking up. Again, all it takes is 1 mistake from 1 switch, and it will be RMAed.
Are you totally oblivious to how many dishonest people there are in this world? How many people would eat a $100 loss knowing they could easily return it to the store or RMA?and I really think you overestimate how incompetent the average user is.. Opening the top of the key switch requires Forks and Spoons Mastery level 1... Chopsticks + 1 would help but not necessary.
In fact.. I've done it with the use of 2 forks.
Yes, I implied the average person is not competent enough to do a full mod like this. It's not just opening up the switch, because that's rather easy. It's what you do afterwards, which is a semi-delicate process. If I were a company, I would not trust end users to do something like this. The amount of risk and problem that might arise outweighs the benefit from extra sales they would get. I've gotten plenty of boards to fix from people that screw up modding theirs.
Btw, if you're going to use a fork to open up the switch, then only takes 1 fork, not 2. Maybe you fall under the statistics I just mentioned haha.
You mentioned a VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE of people would be opening their boards.. if it's a very small percentage, then what is CM worried about. and there'd be a smaller subset of truly "dishonest" people who'd try to scam CM
Currently, No mass-produced boards with plates has the option to open up switches. But I'm sure if CM put this option in, and marketed it on their boards, consumers will be curious enough to open one up. Once the switch is opened, there could be so many things that could go wrong. You can lose any one of the small pieces, or accidentally bend the metal leaf sticking up. Again, all it takes is 1 mistake from 1 switch, and it will be RMAed.
Are you totally oblivious to how many dishonest people there are in this world? How many people would eat a $100 loss knowing they could easily return it to the store or RMA?and I really think you overestimate how incompetent the average user is.. Opening the top of the key switch requires Forks and Spoons Mastery level 1... Chopsticks + 1 would help but not necessary.
In fact.. I've done it with the use of 2 forks.
Yes, I implied the average person is not competent enough to do a full mod like this. It's not just opening up the switch, because that's rather easy. It's what you do afterwards, which is a semi-delicate process. If I were a company, I would not trust end users to do something like this. The amount of risk and problem that might arise outweighs the benefit from extra sales they would get. I've gotten plenty of boards to fix from people that screw up modding theirs.
Btw, if you're going to use a fork to open up the switch, then only takes 1 fork, not 2. Maybe you fall under the statistics I just mentioned haha.
How does KCB do it with the poker?
How does KCB do it with the poker?
I don't think they do, probably just write off. but i haven't actually heard kbc doing rma in the US.. do they?