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Title: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: terran5992 on Thu, 02 May 2013, 01:35:56
Spending $400++ on a single keyboard seems a bit irrational. Anyone can enlighten me about what makes it superior over a normal mechanical keyboard besides the customization options.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: llovro on Thu, 02 May 2013, 01:58:00
Alluminium case
Fully programmable
Awesome looking
And you get into elitist circle by having it.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: okooko on Thu, 02 May 2013, 02:02:47
Spending $400++ on a single keyboard seems a bit irrational. Anyone can enlighten me about what makes it superior over a normal mechanical keyboard besides the customization options.

I guess its like any other niche hobby that requires a decent amount of capital.

For any watch lovers out there, I think the OP's post's analogy would be something like...
"Spending $100k++ on a single watch seems a bit irrational. ANyone can enlighten me about what makes it superior over a normal casio/dora the explorer limited edition (ironman 3 reference) besides the minute repeater/tourbillon/moonphase/complications (pick any)."

Similarly, some people dont give a care in the world wearing functional watches or using their smartphones, but you can be worlds apart when it comes to the higher echelon of horology.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: terran5992 on Thu, 02 May 2013, 05:57:11
Does the typing feel differ?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 May 2013, 06:12:14
Typing feel always differs between keyboards. My Leopold feels different from my Filco even thought they have MX Blues. I think the attention to detail and aesthetics play into the pricing but I don't own a KMAC so I can't say.

I actually passed on a 2TU because for the same price, I bought 3 Alps boards for my TKL Alps board project, an SSK, and an Epsilon. So two customs and an SSK for the price of one? Sounds pretty good to me.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 02 May 2013, 06:23:24
One of these threads again?  If you poke around geekhack for five minutes the answer should be obvious...  It's worth it.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: okooko on Thu, 02 May 2013, 06:34:48
One of these threads again?  If you poke around geekhack for five minutes the answer should be obvious...  It's worth it.

I think you should add to your sig
4) - CC's are the currency
5) - One does not only buy one keyboard

lol
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: davkol on Thu, 02 May 2013, 06:40:33
Quote from: Day9
We have to talk about how it is humanly possible that something this kick-ass could have actually happened.  To do so, we have to understand what it means to have a penis on the Internet.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 06:41:40
Matter of opinion is a matter of opinion. But honestly, if your first train of thought is that first sentence, then you probably won't feel it's worth it.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 May 2013, 07:09:25
One of these threads again?  If you poke around geekhack for five minutes the answer should be obvious...  It's worth it.

Yeah. I'll probably cave eventually and pickup a hot Korean Kustom so treasure its sexy-ness.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 02 May 2013, 07:41:18
I want a Kustom at some point in the extended future...but it will have to wait for now. i think there are a lot of advantages to having a kmac :)
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jabar on Thu, 02 May 2013, 08:14:09
It depends how one defines worthiness. Look at what can be obtained for the price of one KMAC.

Personally, I'd prefer a nice Topre and an MX board for the approximately same price.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 02 May 2013, 08:23:27
One of these threads again?  If you poke around geekhack for five minutes the answer should be obvious...  It's worth it.

Yeah. I'll probably cave eventually and pickup a hot Korean Kustom so treasure its sexy-ness.

I really like the KMAC.  One reason is because it seems to concentrate more on function than sexy-ness.  It's solid and tight.  Especially the KMAC2.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 May 2013, 08:26:33
Functionality is sexyness to an engineer :P
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 08:31:33
Functionality is sexyness to an engineer :P
I'd hate to see an engineer's wife...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Permeability on Thu, 02 May 2013, 08:55:05
The answer to this question is, how much is it worth to you? If you have only $500 dollars to your name it probably wouldn't be worth it, because you would have to spend all your money on one keyboard. On the otherhand if you have steady and foreseeable future income then you should have no problem spending that money because you know you will make more money in the near future. At least that's how I see it  :)
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 08:58:09
You can live off of $100 for awhile, if you are wise with how you spend it. Buy a KMAC.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:00:11
Sage advice from the guy whose KMAC sits in a box :P
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Shadovved on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:03:15
Sage advice from the guy whose KMAC sits in a box :P

You can live off of $100 for awhile, if you are wise with how you spend it. Buy a KMAC.

Just buy the KMAC.  :cool:

Listen to the King of Stickers! :p
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:10:28
Sage advice from the guy whose KMAC sits in a box :P

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I never said to USE the KMAC. Just buy it. A box is really the best place. It could get dirty out in the open.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 May 2013, 09:18:11
Sage advice from the guy whose KMAC sits in a box :P

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I never said to USE the KMAC. Just buy it. A box is really the best place. It could get dirty out in the open.

This is my opinion, also. Mine is inside a poker chip case, where it shall stay. Using keyboards is overrated. They are treasures to be safeguarded.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tauburn on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:06:37
Sage advice from the guy whose KMAC sits in a box :P

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I never said to USE the KMAC. Just buy it. A box is really the best place. It could get dirty out in the open.

This is my opinion, also. Mine is inside a poker chip case, where it shall stay. Using keyboards is overrated. They are treasures to be safeguarded.

then why waste money on the pcb if you're just going to use it as a paperweight
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:08:25
JD, do you ever take it out just to look at it? Touch a few keys....look at the LEDs....marvel at its colors, then tuck it in safely? :P
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:09:22
And expose it to the extreme weather and environment? Are you insane!? Once you take pictures of it the first time, that's all you need.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:11:14
Sorry oh wise ones. I obviously know not the ways of GH. Let me go encase my Filco in epoxy and set it on my shelf like a trophy, brb
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: ITzNybble on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:15:10
If you are buying a KMAC to use as a daily driver then no its not, if you are a elite keyboard enthusiast then yes it is :D


EDIT: WOOT 200 posts.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:15:53
Sorry oh wise ones. I obviously know not the ways of GH. Let me go encase my Filco in epoxy and set it on my shelf like a trophy, brb

No, no, no. You will learn, young apprentice.

Custom keyboards, such as KMAC, LZ, even Phantom, are to be photographed and put away, possibly enshrined in viewing cases.

Pedestrian keyboards, such as Filco, Realforce, etc. are to be used for typing. Mod those things. Cut the cases. Add LEDs. Whatever you feel like. :)
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:18:18
eff that I use my customs
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:18:52
If I typed on SmallFry's Phantom, does that mean i ruined it??  :eek:
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:20:02
If I typed on SmallFry's Phantom, does that mean i ruined it??  :eek:

No, cuz it's SmallFry. :P
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:33:33
eff that I use my customs
Shun. Shhhuuuunnnnn...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:42:26
No.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:44:41
If I typed on SmallFry's Phantom, does that mean i ruined it??  :eek:

No, cuz it's SmallFry. :P
Wait. What? Yay? Hi? Meebcast? Two scoops of waffle on a sex cone?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Binge on Thu, 02 May 2013, 10:45:39
KMAC?  No.  2TU, yes.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43053.0
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: davkol on Thu, 02 May 2013, 11:58:03
Sage advice from the guy whose KMAC sits in a box :P

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I never said to USE the KMAC. Just buy it. A box is really the best place. It could get dirty out in the open.

This is my opinion, also. Mine is inside a poker chip case, where it shall stay. Using keyboards is overrated. They are treasures to be safeguarded.

then why waste money on the pcb if you're just going to use it as a paperweight

SWAG
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: boost on Thu, 02 May 2013, 12:05:21
KMAC's are cool and easy to reprogram.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: TheQsanity on Thu, 02 May 2013, 13:38:33
Worth it IMO. The resale value seems stable. A you can at least try it out and tell for yourself. I dont think id get one anytime soon though lol.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 13:47:48
For the materials and workmanship, yes Kmacs are definitely worth it..

But.. then you're left with the question,   Could you do something more fun given $400...

For example, you could buy a gameboy, or 12Tbs or storage, or an HD 7970 gfx card, or a 27" 120hz monitor, or 3.5 BJs at atlantic city, or a 3770 + Cooler, or a compound bow




Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 02 May 2013, 13:52:25
I love my KMAC dearly.  It's simple and beautiful and has the best typing feel of any of my MX keyboards.  But I wouldn't spend $400 for one.

If you get one at that price, do it because you have money laying around or because you want to hang out with the cool kids in the Korean custom clubhouse.  The keyboard itself is superior to regular production boards, but not enough to justify that price.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 13:55:05
I love my KMAC dearly.  It's simple and beautiful and has the best typing feel of any of my MX keyboards.  But I wouldn't spend $400 for one.

If you get one at that price, do it because you have money laying around or because you want to hang out with the cool kids in the Korean custom clubhouse.  The keyboard itself is superior to regular production boards, but not enough to justify that price.

The other issue i just remembered is,   the staggered keyboard layout is absolute 'turd.

so if you really think about it,, a KMAC no matter how well polished, is just the shiniest piece of 'turd...

I'm not against buying one..  I've spent quite a bit on keyboards myself, but this facet of keyboarding has always bothered me.

As in, I keep dropping dime into something that is fundamentally flawed, where such flaws are never addressed.


I think the Ergodox, is the Rightly champion and direction for "the Future"
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:02:52
Can I ask what the full version of 'turd is? Your apostrophe indicates it's a shortened version of a larger word.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:03:55
Can I ask what the full version of 'turd is? Your apostrophe indicates it's a shortened version of a larger word.

I always the f-bomb before the word -turd.   so I abbreviated
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tauburn on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:49:28
I love my KMAC dearly.  It's simple and beautiful and has the best typing feel of any of my MX keyboards.  But I wouldn't spend $400 for one.

If you get one at that price, do it because you have money laying around or because you want to hang out with the cool kids in the Korean custom clubhouse.  The keyboard itself is superior to regular production boards, but not enough to justify that price.

The other issue i just remembered is,   the staggered keyboard layout is absolute 'turd.

so if you really think about it,, a KMAC no matter how well polished, is just the shiniest piece of 'turd...

I'm not against buying one..  I've spent quite a bit on keyboards myself, but this facet of keyboarding has always bothered me.

As in, I keep dropping dime into something that is fundamentally flawed, where such flaws are never addressed.


I think the Ergodox, is the Rightly champion and direction for "the Future"

what do you mean exactly? i dont know much about the kmac
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:52:26
He's claiming that the layout of your standard keyboard, where the keys are staggered, is not good, and that something more along the lines of the keys being set in perfect rows and columns is better. Thus, even if a KMAC is really good, it's only a better bad thing.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:53:49
I love my KMAC dearly.  It's simple and beautiful and has the best typing feel of any of my MX keyboards.  But I wouldn't spend $400 for one.

If you get one at that price, do it because you have money laying around or because you want to hang out with the cool kids in the Korean custom clubhouse.  The keyboard itself is superior to regular production boards, but not enough to justify that price.

The other issue i just remembered is,   the staggered keyboard layout is absolute 'turd.

so if you really think about it,, a KMAC no matter how well polished, is just the shiniest piece of 'turd...

I'm not against buying one..  I've spent quite a bit on keyboards myself, but this facet of keyboarding has always bothered me.

As in, I keep dropping dime into something that is fundamentally flawed, where such flaws are never addressed.


I think the Ergodox, is the Rightly champion and direction for "the Future"

what do you mean exactly? i dont know much about the kmac


This staggered layout is left over from the days of Type-writers..

(http://www.sweclockers.com/image/red/2012/12/19/Truly_ergonomic_0003_Layer+7.jpg?t=original&k=48c40311)


This is the more natural orientation now that we have the technology to orient the keys anyway we like. vs below..
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:54:23
He's claiming that the layout of your standard keyboard, where the keys are staggered, is not good, and that something more along the lines of the keys being set in perfect rows and columns is better. Thus, even if a KMAC is really good, it's only a better bad thing.

I have a Tipro with this type of layout, it's extremely hard to type on.

Also, this is very subjective tp4tissue. Some people may love a staggered layout, others may hate it.....
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 14:58:35
He's claiming that the layout of your standard keyboard, where the keys are staggered, is not good, and that something more along the lines of the keys being set in perfect rows and columns is better. Thus, even if a KMAC is really good, it's only a better bad thing.

I have a Tipro with this type of layout, it's extremely hard to type on.

Also, this is very subjective tp4tissue. Some people may love a staggered layout, others may hate it.....

There is nothing subjective about it.. Your fingers don't bend that way.. and your arms are not oriented facing left, they point towards the center when you sit down at the table


If someone likes staggered, it is largely out of familiarity...


with straight column, it reduce horizontal wrist movement dramatically..


One must realize, that staggered is all we've ever known for a little more than HALF our lives...

It may indeed be difficult to "convert"


A very important point to bring up here also is that Keyboard Ergonomic is a RECENT Necessity..  Only within the past 10 years did computer interaction completely dominate our lives...

So this issue is still in its infancy...


Quite soon though.... I believe ergodox will reign supreme


Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: davkol on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:05:10
Also, this is very subjective tp4tissue. Some people may love a staggered layout, others may hate it.....

Nope, but I suppose it would be like discussing evolution with a bunch of creationist fundamentalists.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:10:07
Also, this is very subjective tp4tissue. Some people may love a staggered layout, others may hate it.....

Nope, but I suppose it would be like discussing evolution with a bunch of creationist fundamentalists.

I am so not a creationist fundamentalist...

I believe the ergodox is the natural evolutionary successor to "what-was-once-good" staggered qwerty..

And the KMAC is the prettiest and last of dying pandas...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: The_Beast on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:10:43
Also, this is very subjective tp4tissue. Some people may love a staggered layout, others may hate it.....

Nope, but I suppose it would be like discussing evolution with a bunch of creationist fundamentalists.

Don't give him ideas...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: davkol on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:11:24
You completely missed the point, but whatever...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:12:11
You completely missed the point, but whatever...

eleborate... what are you saying?

are you for or against staggered?

I am against...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tauburn on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:30:15
i like the staggered but its because it's what im used to. but i cant really imagine playing games with an ergonomic keyboard
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:34:28
That's the one reason I stick to staggered... because gaming
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:36:48
Nope, but I suppose it would be like discussing evolution with a bunch of creationist fundamentalists.

You could always, you know, try discussing it rather than just being a ****.  SmallFry didn't say anything here to earn your contempt.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:47:07
Nope, but I suppose it would be like discussing evolution with a bunch of creationist fundamentalists.

You could always, you know, try discussing it rather than just being a ****.  SmallFry didn't say anything here to earn your contempt.

what's going on here... did I miss a religious debate? where is the religious debate.. link...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: L4yercake on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:49:10
KMAC's are cool and easy to reprogram.

SmallFrySmallFrySomebodySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFryTeachSmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFryMeSmallFrySmallFrySmallFryForSmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFryGodsSmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySakeSmallFrySmallFrySmallFry

Programming your name to a macro, when will it end.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 02 May 2013, 15:50:49
KMAC's are cool and easy to reprogram.

SmallFrySmallFrySomebodySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFryTeachSmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFryMeSmallFrySmallFrySmallFryForSmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFryGodsSmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySmallFrySakeSmallFrySmallFrySmallFry

Programming your name to a macro, when will it end.

LMFAO never cuz he's a genius
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 May 2013, 16:09:42
Oh, haha, you bought SmallFry's KMAC.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: korrelate on Thu, 02 May 2013, 16:15:44
Functionality is sexyness to an engineer :P
I'd hate to see an engineer's wife...

LOL... I don't know though.... I can imagine some chicks being pretty hot just because they are highly functional.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 May 2013, 16:18:00
LOL... I don't know though.... I can imagine some chicks being pretty hot just because they are highly functional.

Pneumatic, you mean?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 16:19:07
Pneumatic, you mean?
I'd wife that.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 02 May 2013, 17:10:07
Pneumatic, you mean?
I'd wife that.

You made me laugh out loud at work
Title: Re: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 02 May 2013, 17:15:54
Oh, haha, you bought SmallFry's KMAC.
I actually did build a KMAC with a SmallFry macro.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 17:46:08
Back on topic..

If one's ok with "the PERFECT"  staggered keyboard. there's the KMAC..

The GH60 is also there, for the 'MERICA  factor...


If one's more venturous and after function more than aesthetic engineering, then an ergodox would be more to tune.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 02 May 2013, 17:50:14

The GH60 is also there, for the 'MERICA factor...


Murica
Title: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:27:16
GH60 is a collaboration. PCB design by komar007 in Poland. :)
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:28:08
But... 'murica...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:35:33
GH60 is a collaboration. PCB design by komar007 in Poland. :)

What bout ergodox, is that all 'murican?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: MJ45 on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:37:16
Sorry oh wise ones. I obviously know not the ways of GH. Let me go encase my Filco in epoxy and set it on my shelf like a trophy, brb

No, no, no. You will learn, young apprentice.

Custom keyboards, such as KMAC, LZ, even Phantom, are to be photographed and put away, possibly enshrined in viewing cases.

Pedestrian keyboards, such as Filco, Realforce, etc. are to be used for typing. Mod those things. Cut the cases. Add LEDs. Whatever you feel like. :)
Just like high end street rod or full kustom car that's rarely driven? Possibly better to admire than actually use? 
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:37:24
It's like still 'Murica

Poland
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:39:09
It's like still 'Murica

Poland

what are you saying.. it rains like all the time in poland and is gray... that's why they've evolved towards blue/green eyes and blond hair.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:40:57
But...but...(http://i.imgur.com/odgBlsJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:44:48
But...but...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/odgBlsJ.jpg)


:D

dubs why are you responding like one of the younger kids of 4chan.. just a random chain?

it's not really even trolling.. you need to somehow get an emotional rise out of everyone to do that?

What's in it for you when you do this, the attention?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tauburn on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:45:41
But...but...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/odgBlsJ.jpg)


:D

dubs why are you responding like one of the younger kids of 4chan.. just a random chain?

it's not really even trolling.. you need to somehow get an emotional rise out of everyone to do that?

What's in it for you when you do this, the attention?

what do you expect from someone from new jersey
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:47:12
Yeah, just how orange are you, Dubs?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:48:40
But...but...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/odgBlsJ.jpg)


:D

dubs why are you responding like one of the younger kids of 4chan.. just a random chain?

it's not really even trolling.. you need to somehow get an emotional rise out of everyone to do that?

What's in it for you when you do this, the attention?

what do you expect from someone from new jersey

Come on tau, you know that I can't disagree with you for fear of being beat'en up...

Alas, I am also from Jersey..   :))
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:50:29
Yeah, just how orange are you, Dubs?

I am Pale, White Irish Kid....so very little Orange

i did not know i was responding like a kid from 4chan :/
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:51:26
Don't get trolled by tp4.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:53:37
Don't get trolled by tp4.

I am not trolling, I've never trolled in my life....
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:54:52
And I've never tucked and clucked... wait...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 02 May 2013, 18:57:23
heh
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 19:02:40
And I've never tucked and clucked... wait...

googled it.. something about pretending to be a chicken.. but why does that require tucking one's 'enis..
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 19:04:41
Because chickens don't have nuggets, bro. Have you never watched TV!?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: L4yercake on Thu, 02 May 2013, 19:06:56
Get a room you two.

Back to the original question.

No, a KMAC is not worth it. I notice 0 difference going from my Ducky to KMAC. Infact the KMAC having black switches has made me miss the stock red switches I had in the Ducky.

But if you have the money why not?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 19:08:42
Get a room you two.

Back to the original question.

No, a KMAC is not worth it. I notice 0 difference going from my Ducky to KMAC. Infact the KMAC having black switches has made me miss the stock red switches I had in the Ducky.

But if you have the money why not?

well I already posted many alternatives to $400 expense..  let me reiterate..

3.5 BJs at atlantic city
12TB of storage for your computer
3770k processor + aftermarket cooler
7970 Graphics card
2x ergodox's
120hz 27" Asus computer monitor


KMAC as an ITEM in it of itself is every bit worth $400.... Great workmanship, great design, Open source support..

It is certainly the Best made Classic staggered keyboard in existence..


I mean.. maybe someone at lockheed martin with access to the drill, made one out of aircraft grade titanium.. But that's highly unlikely, and OMG I WANT IT..........


Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 02 May 2013, 19:28:29
Buying a KMAC is like buying a Bentley instead of a Lexus, both work just fine as transportation.
Do you need a Bentley or KMAC, no, but people still want them.

It doesn't make owning one wrong, it's just a matter of whether it's worth it to you.
For some, spending $500 on a keyboard is not a big deal. For others, $500 could be two years worth of saving.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 19:43:19
Buying a KMAC is like buying a Bentley instead of a Lexus, both work just fine as transportation.
Do you need a Bentley or KMAC, no, but people still want them.

It doesn't make owning one wrong, it's just a matter of whether it's worth it to you.
For some, spending $500 on a keyboard is not a big deal. For others, $500 could be two years worth of saving.


I think the bentley/lexus comparison is not applicable here..

Bentley starts at $200,000 and any non-ghetto-lexus are $100,000 start.

You compare that to a $400 keyboard... ah..... it is really hard to get $200,000 together as one expense, but $400, different story..


$500 as 2 years of savings is also a bit of a stretch... most interested parties live in developed nations...

regardless, there are always ways to get $500 very quickly... However,, getting $200,000 quickly is hard.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: metalliqaz on Thu, 02 May 2013, 20:11:35
You compare that to a $400 keyboard... ah..... it is really hard to get $200,000 together as one expense, but $400, different story..

Everything is relative.  The people who buy bentleys wouldn't think twice about 400 bucks.  Conversely, people who can't manage to lease a kia would never dream of dropping 400 bucks on a keyboard.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 20:19:05
You compare that to a $400 keyboard... ah..... it is really hard to get $200,000 together as one expense, but $400, different story..

Everything is relative.  The people who buy bentleys wouldn't think twice about 400 bucks.  Conversely, people who can't manage to lease a kia would never dream of dropping 400 bucks on a keyboard.

No that is not true... It is the American way to spend beyond one's means, this is the heart of our economy.

the $400 they'd forgo leasing a kia may not be spent on a keyboard, but it very often goes towards items of a similar hobby nature, such as shoes (women), chrome rims, etc

all the while, these people will claim, the expense was a necessity...  ;D
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 02 May 2013, 20:20:29
Bentley starts at $200,000 and any non-ghetto-lexus are $100,000 start.

{cut}

$500 as 2 years of savings is also a bit of a stretch... most interested parties live in developed nations...
Lexus only has 2 models over $100k, with most between $35k and $60k. Regardless, I could have just as easily said a Honda or Toyota compared to a Bentley. Way to miss the point.


As for the easily coming up with $500... For some people $500 is a hell of a lot of money, and more important, it's a hell of a lot of money to spend on a keyboard, especially when there are fantastic ones out there for far less than $100.

Developed countries or not, while you may be able to come up with $500 in a short period, some cannot, while others have no trouble coming up with $200k. Not everyone's disposable income is the same as yours. 
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 02 May 2013, 20:24:38
You guys are arguing with tp4 about comparisons? Really, I could have ended that question at the sixth word. You have to use items he relates with, like Atlantic City BJs versus BJs from the hookers that live two apartments down from him.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 20:29:33
Bentley starts at $200,000 and any non-ghetto-lexus are $100,000 start.

{cut}

$500 as 2 years of savings is also a bit of a stretch... most interested parties live in developed nations...
Lexus only has 2 models over $100k, with most between $35k and $60k. Regardless, I could have just as easily said a Honda or Toyota compared to a Bentley. Way to miss the point.


As for the easily coming up with $500... For some people $500 is a hell of a lot of money, and more important, it's a hell of a lot of money to spend on a keyboard, especially when there are fantastic ones out there for far less than $100.

Developed countries or not, while you may be able to come up with $500 in a short period, some cannot, while others have no trouble coming up with $200k. Not everyone's disposable income is the same as yours. 

I'm clearly mentioned non-ghetto lexus.. the ghetto ones are just toyotas with the lexus sticker...

Whether or not $500 is a helluvalotta of money for a keyboard is irrelavent, since $500 is not a helluvalotta money...

The typical strategy for girls is leading men on to buy them gifts, and then returning them.. very common strategy doable EVERYWHERE

A very good strategy for all genders is drug deals... You need $200 of seed money, and you can quickly amass $5000 on any college campus within a week.

You've completely skewed the difficulty in coming up with x-sums of money... $500 is doable robbing convenience stores.. i don't recommend it, but most people who do get away with it, and they get their keyboards.


200k is hard in every country.... and there are a very limited number of ways to put it together.. legally, OR illegally.



Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: L4yercake on Thu, 02 May 2013, 20:32:46
You guys are arguing with tp4 about comparisons? Really, I could have ended that question at the sixth word. You have to use items he relates with, like Atlantic City BJs versus BJs from the hookers that live two apartments down from him.

Yes but the transportation cost to Atlantic City compared to walking down two apartments... Way to make a comparison buddy. Please, kill yourself.

How come this forum doesn't have voting abilities?





jk essomenona you made me laugh earlier. Stick around.



For now.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 20:35:04
You guys are arguing with tp4 about comparisons? Really, I could have ended that question at the sixth word. You have to use items he relates with, like Atlantic City BJs versus BJs from the hookers that live two apartments down from him.

Yes but the transportation cost to Atlantic City compared to walking down two apartments... Way to make a comparison buddy. Please, kill yourself.

How come this forum doesn't have voting abilities?





jk essomenona you made me laugh earlier.

because i would be over 9000+++ in votes...

and no I don't have girls living that close to me.. unless you count all women as prostitutes, because as this one comedian said, if you have sex for any other reason than true love, you're a hooker..  and I'm calling BS if anyone claims true-love is so ubiquitous.. as ubiquitous as incidences of intercourse...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 02 May 2013, 22:23:17
The typical strategy for girls is leading men on to buy them gifts, and then returning them.. very common strategy doable EVERYWHERE
That says a lot about the women you date.


and no I don't have girls living that close to me.. unless you count all women as prostitutes, because as this one comedian said, if you have sex for any other reason than true love, you're a hooker..
So you only date hookers...  That pretty much solidifies my earlier comment.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: davkol on Thu, 02 May 2013, 22:34:32
It's like still 'Murica

Poland

what are you saying.. it rains like all the time in poland and is gray... that's why they've evolved towards blue/green eyes and blond hair.

Ever been to Poland, bro?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Thu, 02 May 2013, 22:50:22
Is a KMAC worth it?

I'm just going to directly answer the OP. What something is worth, is relative to your income, or how bad you want it. If money is not an issue, then it's probably worth it (assuming you can find one). If you're piss poor, but still desperately want one, then it's worth it. As long as you know exactly what it is that you're paying for, then it's all worthwhile, but if you're getting one because everyone else wants one too, then that's a ****ty reason.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 22:56:26
The typical strategy for girls is leading men on to buy them gifts, and then returning them.. very common strategy doable EVERYWHERE
That says a lot about the women you date.


and no I don't have girls living that close to me.. unless you count all women as prostitutes, because as this one comedian said, if you have sex for any other reason than true love, you're a hooker..
So you only date hookers...  That pretty much solidifies my earlier comment.

I was merely mentioning quick strategies people usually use to get money..

I don't date usually.. unless you count the 2-3 hours I spend at the bar -dating-, I've got a good success rate though. average cost, 2-3 drinks.


I only mention the working-girls agenda, because so many people have misconceptions about them and look down upon them.. while they're no different in any way than any other female..

I believe it is primarily instigated by ugly women who "needs" someone to be "worse" thus feeling better about themselves..

If you are not one, I believe you should end this topic with me, as I 've got a paragraph response for anything you can possibly have to say..
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 May 2013, 22:57:37
It's like still 'Murica

Poland

what are you saying.. it rains like all the time in poland and is gray... that's why they've evolved towards blue/green eyes and blond hair.

Ever been to Poland, bro?

has it stopped raining?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: davkol on Fri, 03 May 2013, 02:31:47
It's like still 'Murica

Poland

what are you saying.. it rains like all the time in poland and is gray... that's why they've evolved towards blue/green eyes and blond hair.

Ever been to Poland, bro?

has it stopped raining?

You actually wouldn't have to go to Poland, you just need some basic knowledge. Poland is quite close to Russia, therefore Siberia, therefore continental climate.

Although, if Chechnya is a part of Czechoslovakia...
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: BucklingSpring on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:36:55
how much should someone charge to assemble a KMAC 2?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:38:50
how much should someone charge to assemble a KMAC 2?

at least $45  including materials..
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: BucklingSpring on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:43:38
Thanks - that's much lower than expected.

Is this thing real? https://www.originativeco.com/kmac-2-0

The part listing doesn't seam to include the switches. I wonder what else do I need to get a complete board.

how much should someone charge to assemble a KMAC 2?

at least $45  including materials..

Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:47:05
Thanks - that's much lower than expected.

Is this thing real? https://www.originativeco.com/kmac-2-0

The part listing doesn't seam to include the switches. I wonder what else do I need to get a complete board.

how much should someone charge to assemble a KMAC 2?

at least $45  including materials..


yea it's real.. Sherryton also seems to be responding to emails again.. so it's back ontop of things, it seems.
Title: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: whiskerBox on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:50:10
Thanks - that's much lower than expected.

Is this thing real? https://www.originativeco.com/kmac-2-0

The part listing doesn't seam to include the switches. I wonder what else do I need to get a complete board.

how much should someone charge to assemble a KMAC 2?

at least $45  including materials..


You will need switches, stickers(if you decide to use them), stabilizers, and diodes. I might be forgetting something else too
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: BucklingSpring on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:53:58
I'm ready to make the jump but would like help from a fellow GHer to assemble.

Anyone around who would qualify for the circle of trust?
(http://www.iamstaggeredusa.com/assets/2011/08/circle-of-trust.jpg)
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 03 May 2013, 16:00:51
I'll volunteer
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 03 May 2013, 16:02:01
I'm ready to make the jump but would like help from a fellow GHer to assemble.

Anyone around who would qualify for the circle of trust?
(http://www.iamstaggeredusa.com/assets/2011/08/circle-of-trust.jpg) (http://www.iamstaggeredusa.com/assets/2011/08/circle-of-trust.jpg)

Just source all the parts and assemble it yourself. It's not too hard:





Sherryton made it easy to get those kmac2's, although I would wait a while before getting it from him. He's very unreliable right now. I believe someone paid for their kmac2 a few months ago and haven't gotten it yet.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 16:14:08
I'm ready to make the jump but would like help from a fellow GHer to assemble.

Anyone around who would qualify for the circle of trust?
(http://www.iamstaggeredusa.com/assets/2011/08/circle-of-trust.jpg) (http://www.iamstaggeredusa.com/assets/2011/08/circle-of-trust.jpg)

Just source all the parts and assemble it yourself. It's not too hard:





Sherryton made it easy to get those kmac2's, although I would wait a while before getting it from him. He's very unreliable right now. I believe someone paid for their kmac2 a few months ago and haven't gotten it yet.

WFD :D

You really don't like sherry eh?
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 03 May 2013, 16:30:38
Well I have my person opinion on that, but it's not relevant for this thread. What I do want to say is that is he has ****ty business practices, so I would be apprehensive to send him more money. You can take a risk and send him money now, then a few months later you're not going to know if you need to wait a few more months, get a refund, or finally have a shipped keyboard.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 16:32:41
Well I have my person opinion on that, but it's not relevant for this thread. What I do want to say is that is he has ****ty business practices, so I would be apprehensive to send him more money. You can take a risk and send him money now, then a few months later you're not going to know if you need to wait a few more months, get a refund, or finally have a shipped keyboard.

aight bro.. i'm just saying, everyone's got hard times. I was too a little angry but, i mean, he may not be perfectly reliable, but at least I'm certain he's not a crook..  That on the internet is already very good :D
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: ekw808 on Fri, 03 May 2013, 16:44:25
Well I have my person opinion on that, but it's not relevant for this thread. What I do want to say is that is he has ****ty business practices, so I would be apprehensive to send him more money. You can take a risk and send him money now, then a few months later you're not going to know if you need to wait a few more months, get a refund, or finally have a shipped keyboard.

If anybody can provide the products he is able to provide to the community, then by all means TRY to run a better business than him, this is the internet, the only thing stopping you is yourself and probably your inability to get the same connections as Sherry who has accumulated over time by constantly trying to provide hard to find products to the rest of the community.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 03 May 2013, 17:04:12
Nowhere did I say he will outright scam you, or that he's a bad dude on a personal level. But on the BUSINESS aspect, he could use some work. When did I or anyone else say we'll try to run a better business?

So you're telling me the way he handles your money and all his other problems, are justified just because he can get hard-to-get items? It's not possible to run a smooth business AND provide these products? That's all I'm going to say about this. There can be another time and thread if this is to be further discussed.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 17:33:07
Nowhere did I say he will outright scam you, or that he's a bad dude on a personal level. But on the BUSINESS aspect, he could use some work. When did I or anyone else say we'll try to run a better business?

So you're telling me the way he handles your money and all his other problems, are justified just because he can get hard-to-get items? It's not possible to run a smooth business AND provide these products? That's all I'm going to say about this. There can be another time and thread if this is to be further discussed.

WFD :D Chillax

we're not arguing with you on what's happened so far.. just saying you're being a lil hard on the guy, he's supposedly young afterall.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: korrelate on Mon, 06 May 2013, 03:17:23
LOL... I don't know though.... I can imagine some chicks being pretty hot just because they are highly functional.

Pneumatic, you mean?

To the tune of "Fat-Bottomed Girls,"

Pneumatic Girls you make the Brave New World go 'round.... LOL
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: ComradeSniper on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:27:07
This may already have been asked, but all the KMACs I've ever seen have had cherry stabilizers. Is this just a coincidence or is there an issue with using costar stabs on a KMAC? I would hate to dump $400+ on a board and not even get to use my preferred stabilizers on it.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:30:49
This may already have been asked, but all the KMACs I've ever seen have had cherry stabilizers. Is this just a coincidence or is there an issue with using costar stabs on a KMAC? I would hate to dump $400+ on a board and not even get to use my preferred stabilizers on it.

The plates don't support Costar stabilizers at all. You'd need a custom plate if you wanted a Costar KMAC
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:31:05
This may already have been asked, but all the KMACs I've ever seen have had cherry stabilizers. Is this just a coincidence or is there an issue with using costar stabs on a KMAC? I would hate to dump $400+ on a board and not even get to use my preferred stabilizers on it.

KMAC plate does not support Costar stabilizers. Nor does it support Cherry plate mount stabilizers. You must use Cherry PCB mount stabilizers.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: The_Beast on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:33:57
This may already have been asked, but all the KMACs I've ever seen have had cherry stabilizers. Is this just a coincidence or is there an issue with using costar stabs on a KMAC? I would hate to dump $400+ on a board and not even get to use my preferred stabilizers on it.

KMAC plate does not support Costar stabilizers. Nor does it support Cherry plate mount stabilizers. You must use Cherry PCB mount stabilizers.

To slow :P
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: ComradeSniper on Mon, 06 May 2013, 17:51:55
Alright, thanks guys.
Title: Re: Is a KMAC worth it?
Post by: DamienG on Mon, 06 May 2013, 18:20:47
Is it worth it? Only you can decide that.

I tried Hashbaz's Kmac on the weekend. It was incredibly slick. Nicest Cherry I've tried but not sure how much of that was down to the case and how much down to the lube and 62g springs.

If there is a party near you try and get to see one in the flesh.

[)amien