Well guys today I got a couple of pics of the BLACK sets (were the first sets done apparently). I requested pics of the rest of the sets. Hopefully I will get more pics tomorrow .
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I'll take a set
font color: Black
could I have the mods explained to me so I can pick from them better?
Do you have pics of this set as I would like a red font. Do these come with 1.5 mods and/or 1.25?
I'm interested in a set!
Down for a set
Down for a set.
I'm interested in a set!
I'll take a set
font color: Black
could I have the mods explained to me so I can pick from them better?
A profile is the classic 1.5x Cherry profile. B profile is the modern mods profile (same as the Shift I believe)
I'll take a set
font color: Black
could I have the mods explained to me so I can pick from them better?
A profile is the classic 1.5x Cherry profile. B profile is the modern mods profile (same as the Shift I believe)
so it's a height difference. can anybody relate it to the sp caps?
question: space bar, alt,win,page,ctrl,caps lock wont fit Costar boards right?No space bar included, not sure about the caps lock (might include both), but all the others won't fit. Wrong sizing.
question: space bar, alt,win,page,ctrl,caps lock wont fit Costar boards right?
Only ANSI?
Would really want a picture before I decide. : D
could I get a picture of the blue text and red text ones?
will they look like this?:https://www.originativeco.com/classic-beige-blue-two-toneWould really want a picture before I decide. : Dcould I get a picture of the blue text and red text ones?
For those wanting pictures...sets are not in production yet so I cannot provide any pictures.
darn :/ I like PBT and all but the colors are so much clearer in the originitiveco version and probably a bit cheaper.will they look like this?:https://www.originativeco.com/classic-beige-blue-two-toneWould really want a picture before I decide. : Dcould I get a picture of the blue text and red text ones?
For those wanting pictures...sets are not in production yet so I cannot provide any pictures.
Yes, but PBT and DYE SUB rather than doubleshot ABS.
Can i buy only rgb?
Examples:
Blue; replica of Olivetti dye subShow Image(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t554/Jorge_Bosch/olivetti_zps9141880e.png)
But it's an addition not a replacement of the regular mods right? Also is it only 1 RGB possible per set ordered or can you order 1 set and and 2x RGB for example?
Cherry classic 2 tone sets (Grey&Beige) ANSI sets
Options:
1- Font colour (black).
2- B mods profile
This is the ONE I want to buy from you, have already PM'd you with my details.
Looking forward to trying these out on a Cherry board soon.
The GoW is SEXY. When will they be available?
Examples:
Blue; replica of Olivetti dye subShow Image(http://i1313.photobucket.com/albums/t554/Jorge_Bosch/olivetti_zps9141880e.png)
That's my thumb :-X.
PD: I never signed an affidavit to use my personal image as a marketing scheme, I'd settle for a cut :cool:
He don't have any set on hand my friend :)
Only suit Iso kit? :-X
Sorry I view image above. So I think ISO set (Enter key).Only suit Iso kit? :-X
What do you mean? This are ANSI sets, both of them. No ISO stuff here :(
Availability of 1.5 mods and they have the original legends, not community made copy. For those that want 1.5 this is the way to go, for those that want 1.25 I will be starting similar buy next week.
Availability of 1.5 mods and they have the original legends, not community made copy. For those that want 1.5 this is the way to go, for those that want 1.25 I will be starting similar buy next week.
I'm tempted to order a green set (BSP PBT w/ cherry legends = hot), are these ABCDEF profile? Or ABCDEE?
Is there a source for modern looking 1x A profile winkeys? What's the availability like for 7x A profile spacebars?
Availability of 1.5 mods and they have the original legends, not community made copy. For those that want 1.5 this is the way to go, for those that want 1.25 I will be starting similar buy next week.
1.25 as in GMK or BSP?
Any idea of what legends are going to be used?
Any idea of what legends are going to be used?
BSP uses Cherry molds & legends. Desko caps were, indeed, made by BSP.
Any idea of what legends are going to be used?
BSP uses Cherry molds & legends. Desko caps were, indeed, made by BSP.
I was just wondering about the legend.
ex: would the shift say shift and have the symbol, or would it just be the symbol. Would the backspace say backspace or just have the symbol.....
When does this close BTW?
ex: would the shift say shift and have the symbol, or would it just be the symbol. Would the backspace say backspace or just have the symbol...Symbols only would be dope. If that's feasible.
For those that want 1.5 this is the way to go, for those that want 1.25 I will be starting similar buy next week.
in for each colour minus black I have those
now i have to ask, it being a GB and all.. are you making a dime off this?
2- BSP PBT BLANK Classic 2-tone sets (102 caps, Grey&beige)
This sets also include two extra blank 1x keycap in A profile, hence a total of 102 keycaps
Price per set = 68,35€ (yesterday ----->55€ )
3- EXTRA PBT RGB Blank set
Price per set = 15,5€ (yesterday ------> 11€ )
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I don't understand at all.
order sent via pm please confirm
:'( :'( here I am, again.order sent via pm please confirm
done.
You should remove your paypal email from the post or you will be flooded with spam and tons of emails.
Is there any chance to have 1.75 RShift?
You should remove your paypal email from the post or you will be flooded with spam and tons of emails.
Is there any chance to have 1.75 RShift?
Guille BSP cannot do 1.75 right shift...but lets see if they decide to purchase new molds (spacebars, 1.25x mods & 1.75 row4 mold). This kind of orders or Red-Line groupbuy, makes them understand that there is an existing demand for MX keycaps, so hopefully they will decide to invest in few new MX molds. But from now, 1.75 right shift is not available.
You should remove your paypal email from the post or you will be flooded with spam and tons of emails.
Is there any chance to have 1.75 RShift?
Guille BSP cannot do 1.75 right shift...but lets see if they decide to purchase new molds (spacebars, 1.25x mods & 1.75 row4 mold). This kind of orders or Red-Line groupbuy, makes them understand that there is an existing demand for MX keycaps, so hopefully they will decide to invest in few new MX molds. But from now, 1.75 right shift is not available.
That makes sense. I thought they did have the tooling to produce those keys. Well was just for knowing if I could be using the full sets in some layouts or just stick to the classic ones.
I really like the idea of 1x Blank A profile keys.
We should expect those keys to be produced in the end of May and that's great. I guess I should place a large order before Monday.
Just to make sure, the RGB only come in blank right?
can you provide a picture of what exactly each set will come with? trying to figure out a way to use these on a modern board.
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Is it going to have all that front printed text?
Are the F+J keys scoops or nubs?
I might take one red font set and one rgb set but not sure how the red fonts will look like so undecided.
Sets already in production! I will try to get pics next week (we have a long weekend here in Europe, atleast in DK and NL ^^)
Do the f and j keys have scoop?
Sets already in production! I will try to get pics next week (we have a long weekend here in Europe, atleast in DK and NL ^^)
Damn kboardvintage, you move faster than a Tokyo Express Train ^-^ .
Looking forward to seeing the pictures next week. Don't worry about long weekends just bust open a keg and enjoy the days. Long weekends are made for drinking (especially here in Australia) 8) .
BSP gave me just 4 days for this GB due to an open spot in their production...I had to react fast!
Thanks to those who made it happen :)
Pictures please? ;]
It is expected that the first sets will be done by the end of the week. Will keep you guys informed with more news as soon as I get any from BSP.
Well guys today I got a couple of pics of the BLACK sets (were the first sets done apparently). I requested pics of the rest of the sets. Hopefully I will get more pics tomorrow .This is making me wish I had listened to you when I had the money...
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Well guys today I got a couple of pics of the BLACK sets (were the first sets done apparently). I requested pics of the rest of the sets. Hopefully I will get more pics tomorrow .This is making me wish I had listened to you when I had the money...
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Well guys today I got a couple of pics of the BLACK sets (were the first sets done apparently). I requested pics of the rest of the sets. Hopefully I will get more pics tomorrow .
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why was my post deleted when i asked if you were making any kind of profit from this?
id still like an answer..
now i have to ask, it being a GB and all.. are you making a dime off this?
Well BSP is definetly making it...
I accept their proposal of getting limited sets and no MOQ / setup cost with the condition of paying a "premium".
why was my post deleted when i asked if you were making any kind of profit from this?
id still like an answer..now i have to ask, it being a GB and all.. are you making a dime off this?
Well BSP is definetly making it...
I accept their proposal of getting limited sets and no MOQ / setup cost with the condition of paying a "premium".
I believe I already answered you...
why was my post deleted when i asked if you were making any kind of profit from this?
id still like an answer..now i have to ask, it being a GB and all.. are you making a dime off this?
Well BSP is definetly making it...
I accept their proposal of getting limited sets and no MOQ / setup cost with the condition of paying a "premium".
I believe I already answered you...
that doesnt answer my question..
i know BSP is making money. the question is, are you?
While i did say we should wait, my payment was made on the 5th of May.There has been no response from the seller in a while and Sherry has said there's a large possibility this may be cancelled.
+45 days means I have another 1 or 2 days for the Paypal dispute window to close.
He has yet to respond here. Let me try his email/paypal email/eBay ID/phone num/deskthority ID....whatever method?
Will I be deemed a lesser being if i resort to paypal asking refunds for a Group Buy?
After what went on with 7bit's switch GB...people who do this might go to keyboard Hell.
While i did say we should wait, my payment was made on the 5th of May.There has been no response from the seller in a while and Sherry has said there's a large possibility this may be cancelled.
+45 days means I have another 1 or 2 days for the Paypal dispute window to close.
He has yet to respond here. Let me try his email/paypal email/eBay ID/phone num/deskthority ID....whatever method?
Will I be deemed a lesser being if i resort to paypal asking refunds for a Group Buy?
After what went on with 7bit's switch GB...people who do this might go to keyboard Hell.
I'm by no means saying kboardvintage is a scammer as he has sold many items smoothly here but I think it's acceptable to dispute this.
You should also contact Sherry to see if he has any information before you dispute.
It's very uncharacteristic of any GB leader to disappear like this, right after collecting payment. Reminds me of Profosist and Changdrew. According to Sherryton, he will pull the plug on this GB, so most likely this GB won't happen. Based on these two points, I would be concerned.
My personal opinion, is to file a paypal dispute. After you file the dispute, don't escalate it, but just let it sit. That way you have a few more weeks of buffer time, and can later decide to cancel the dispute or escalate it if Keyboardvintage decides to do some shady stuff. BUT, if you let the 45 days pass, nothing you can do. And even if this GB gets canceled and Keyboardvintage decides to refund, that is not possible. He'll have to "pay" back through a separate transaction, which will involve more paypal fees.
I recommend you should try to work it out with Sherryton in private and find a good way to resolve this unexpected problem. The sets are already made anyway.
Yes, but since this is originally his order, I'm surprised you didn't get in touch with him to start with. Not much point to do 2 separate group buys for the same thing. Combining efforts would have been more like the thing to do or transferring these orders to Sherry's orders. But this is definitely something you and Originative would need to discuss. He's not posting here, and you're not posting in his thread, and it's just all weird :)
I just posted on his thread mate. Plus you need to understand that I order based on what BSP offered me. I initially requested SAMPLES (so couple of keycaps) for professional purpose and I ended up with an offer of 85 keycaps sets and 4 DYESUB font colour... Well I guess this was a good chance to grab some DYESUB sets in unique colours! How should I know that it was Sherry's order??
Btw, I sent him a message and he didn't seem to be really up for negotiations. $$ rules his business, which seems totally understandable to me.
Btw, I sent him a message and he didn't seem to be really up for negotiations. $$ rules his business, which seems totally understandable to me.
Alright then so what happens with the money already paid by us?
If you do indeed want to end this amicably then please transfer the money over to Sherryton as soon as possible so that we the "customers" can finally own a BSP dye-sub set.
I understand that everything was a complete mistake and an innocent misunderstanding by you, but please don't make us suffer for it.
Well to those who are concern about their money, I will start the refund once I get the money back from BSP, considering that they haven't refund me yet.
And about those who order BLANK sets, I haven't agreed yet on that, but I believe that I will be able to supply those, although I still have to confirm it tomorrow with BSP.
So guys, unless Sherry let us get this sets (19 dyesub in total), I can say that I won't fight against BSP and their decision, considering the fact that Sherry has been threatening them with cancelling the order (well 400 sets is kinda different than 19 :P).
If you were ordering from BSP I don't understand why is Sherryton involved in anything.Sherry ordered these EXACT keysets. He paid for the very high MOQ and kboardvintage was allowed to join in on this without an MOQ. Understandably Sherry wasn't happy about this. Would you be happy if you had just paid for a high MOQ keyset and someone else was allowed to buy the same sets without an MOQ?
Is he going to take down every GB we want to do? He is starting to be a pain in the ass.
Once he gets a refund from BSP he said he would refund you guys. I think asking to transfer your orders to sherryton is asking too much.
I recommend you should try to work it out with Sherryton in private and find a good way to resolve this unexpected problem. The sets are already made anyway.
That is what I am trying...and your point is really clear. Sets are made already, including my "surplus". It is up to Sherry to keep this going or not...
Sorry I had to do a Paypal Call-back on this. Simply because I paid on the 6th of May and it's still within the time frame for Paypal to conduct a refund.
Hence anyone else who has paid up front please go to paypal and do it because as soon as their time period lapses you have no way of ever getting your money back. This is what happens when a "Cancelled" Group Buy is announced, everyone should do their legal 'thing' in getting back their money.
Thank god for having Paypal here.
Doing that screws over kboardvintage - BSP hasn't sent a refund to him yet.
If you were ordering from BSP I don't understand why is Sherryton involved in anything.
Is he going to take down every GB we want to do? He is starting to be a pain in the ass.
BSP I dont know...in my opinion they can sell their products like they want. If they have a current order from someone with a huge MOQ, they can offer other people same time a smaller quantity but based on this MOQ/production run. I dont see any problem with that. Especially when we are talking about 19 sets or something. :rolleyes:
Sherryton, I avoid long time already. This just another case showing his very selfish attitude. There would be different and better ways for all involved to handle that case and he just went for the worst one (again).
I thought as a company you can sell yr products as you want. If they want to sell it in a groupbuy way, they can do that. You describe it as someone who hits a MOQ has an exclusive right for the product. What if BSP decides to prodcue 50% more of the actual MOQ and put them on their own stock? Its not allowed according yr definition. MOQ just means minimum order quantity...not maximum order quantity. For BSP its just important to make this actual prodcution run profitable, thats why they have a MOQ. If the MOQ is reached they can produce how many units they want on top and selling them on whoever is interested unless somebody has an exclusive right on exactly that product.
Anyway, just seeing Sherryton fighting over such marginal amount of a few sets and even declaring he doesnt want to have exclusive right (lol) is enough to confirm my personal opinion about this guy (....useful like a hole in the head!).
I thought as a company you can sell yr products as you want. If they want to sell it in a groupbuy way, they can do that. You describe it as someone who hits a MOQ has an exclusive right for the product. What if BSP decides to prodcue 50% more of the actual MOQ and put them on their own stock? Its not allowed according yr definition. MOQ just means minimum order quantity...not maximum order quantity. For BSP its just important to make this actual prodcution run profitable, thats why they have a MOQ. If the MOQ is reached they can produce how many units they want on top and selling them on whoever is interested unless somebody has an exclusive right on exactly that product.You wouldn't have been able to get the keys in the first place, if it wasn't for Sherry paying the MOQ! BSP would have never made them and I know damn well Vintage isn't coughing up the money to have them made. Hell, he won't even respond to people wanting their money back! lol
Anyway, just seeing Sherryton fighting over such marginal amount of a few sets and even declaring he doesnt want to have exclusive right (lol) is enough to confirm my personal opinion about this guy (....useful like a hole in the head!).
We don't know facts, so speculating won't do any good.
It could also be, that BSP is like "Oh well, we are not moving a finger (or our machines) unless our MOQ of x is met. When MOQ of x is met, we don't care who buys the sets or how many parties are involved in buying our sets, just as long as we get our money."
You wouldn't have been able to get the keys in the first place, if it wasn't for Sherry paying the MOQ! BSP would have never made them and I know damn well Vintage isn't coughing up the money to have them made. Hell, he won't even respond to people wanting their money back! lol
Not to mention if anyone of you pissing and moaning about this was trying to make a living selling these keys and someone jumped on your coat tails to make a quick buck. I do believe you'd lose your **** too! If you want those keys SO BAD, why not buy them from the man that put the effort and huge chunk of cash up to get them made.
We don't know facts, so speculating won't do any good.
It could also be, that BSP is like "Oh well, we are not moving a finger (or our machines) unless our MOQ of x is met. When MOQ of x is met, we don't care who buys the sets or how many parties are involved in buying our sets, just as long as we get our money."
I guess thats exactly the way BSP is thinking. And its quite normal. If you look at big online stores like eg. mouser....its the same principal. If they are out of stock they are requesting a certain MOQ to get the product in. If the MOQ is reached (by whomever) they order on top and stock it themselves and selling it for the MOQ unit price (plus a few percent for themselves). If you want everybody to hit the MOQ like "Topre" is suggesting....yeah...have fun to ever get yr desired components.You wouldn't have been able to get the keys in the first place, if it wasn't for Sherry paying the MOQ! BSP would have never made them and I know damn well Vintage isn't coughing up the money to have them made. Hell, he won't even respond to people wanting their money back! lol
Thanks god, Sherryton is the leading example in responding well when it comes to certain problems. lol...you guys forget quick.Not to mention if anyone of you pissing and moaning about this was trying to make a living selling these keys and someone jumped on your coat tails to make a quick buck. I do believe you'd lose your **** too! If you want those keys SO BAD, why not buy them from the man that put the effort and huge chunk of cash up to get them made.
No thanks. As long as we have cool dudes around who are not making a living out of re-selling kecaps, but still organizing GB's and as long as we have vendors like techkeys who are working with the community instead against...I will not support this guy. I wish he would get some other job he could make a living of....honestly.
We don't know facts, so speculating won't do any good.
It could also be, that BSP is like "Oh well, we are not moving a finger (or our machines) unless our MOQ of x is met. When MOQ of x is met, we don't care who buys the sets or how many parties are involved in buying our sets, just as long as we get our money."
I guess thats exactly the way BSP is thinking. And its quite normal. If you look at big online stores like eg. mouser....its the same principal. If they are out of stock they are requesting a certain MOQ to get the product in. If the MOQ is reached (by whomever) they order on top and stock it themselves and selling it for the MOQ unit price (plus a few percent for themselves). If you want everybody to hit the MOQ like "Topre" is suggesting....yeah...have fun to ever get yr desired components.
Refund update?Don't hold your breath.
Refund update?Don't hold your breath.
I had some interest in BSP, was glads to see european keycap maker... but I'm not sure what is happening here...
Big fish found out that Small fish also ordered at same price so Big fish is pissed off and blackmails company to cancel Small fish' orders? Is this what happened?
Is it safe to assume that Bsp and this Sherryton guy are to be avoided?
Sorry to be so blunt... Space Marine Cats have no feelings...Refund update?Don't hold your breath.
Yes, thank you space marine cat. :(
To those wondering where their money has gone check the OP. He posted an update on the 25th.
Guys yr order/money is frozen because only one guy ****ed it up. And its not kbvintage nor BSP. Its a matter of fact sofar. If you keep on defending that dude, I cannot help you....sorry...because thats just out my understanding. Also its a beautiful example what happens if you get to serious/greedy with yr re-selling business. Everyone is ****ed up in the end....YEAH....but seems a few people here like that very much. hilarious it is. :blank:
Update 17/06
GB (almost) CANCELLED; Trying to agree with Sherry that 19 key sets won't hurt his business more than shutting down a GroupBuy @ GH.
your point is?Don't waste your time lister! Bimbo is still hellbent on demonizing Sherry. :rolleyes:
Maybe I should just email BSP to ask them what they are currently making and I will just order a few sets and then flip them here on GH. Would that be OK with you Bimbo?
It's got to be said! Bimbo, you're a total ****ing scumbagMaybe I should just email BSP to ask them what they are currently making and I will just order a few sets and then flip them here on GH. Would that be OK with you Bimbo?
Thats actually a very interesting idea.....absolutely fine with me. Let us know the outcome.
I dont see any problem if there is a big industrial order (for an airport or parliament or whatever) and some keyboard freaks ordering a few sets on top of that. If that makes me a scumbag....so I am. And if it makes me a scumbag when I am of the opinion that this GB dilemma could have been handled in a different way by certain people.....than iam guilty as well.But it's not an airline or parliament! This is one of are own, trying to bring truly hard to find keys to everyone. So he makes a couple bucks off of us, not a big deal.
I dont see any problem if there is a big industrial order (for an airport or parliament or whatever) and some keyboard freaks ordering a few sets on top of that. If that makes me a scumbag....so I am. And if it makes me a scumbag when I am of the opinion that this GB dilemma could have been handled in a different way by certain people.....than iam guilty as well.But it's not an airline or parliament! This is one of are own, trying to bring truly hard to find keys to everyone. So he makes a couple bucks off of us, not a big deal.
Knowing a little about retail, I'm sure Sherry isn't making more than $20 a set on all those keys. Not to mention, how many sets do you really think he is selling?
Come on!
I have to say, that this whole thing appears to be a giant cluster****, with all ppl involved.
BSP not being true to their word
Sherry claiming possession over something he doesn't have
The organiser being unable to resolve the issue with the participants
And the participants filing paypal disputes knowing this would only worsen everything
What a shame
I have to say, that this whole thing appears to be a giant cluster****, with all ppl involved.sorry but sherryton does have possession over it. If he didn't BSP wouldn't have cancelled the orders. Also if you look at the model identifiers for the keys it has his name in it lol.
BSP not being true to their word
Sherry claiming possession over something he doesn't have
The organiser being unable to resolve the issue with the participants
And the participants filing paypal disputes knowing this would only worsen everything
What a shame
I don't understand why people toss around such strong statements, like someone is repaying someone bad for good and all that. It's not like this was done with a malicious intent. Where small communities are involved, I think it'd be better to work together on this where such a situation arises. The real victims here are the people who paid to get dye sub PBT sets by BSP and are now out of money and without a clear perspective. And perhaps kboardvintage if he's going to lose money on this too.
I find it weird that BSP recalled keyboardvintage's order at all unless Sherry paid to have his order exclusive beforehand.
For instance, when I order things at work we always pay an extra fee so that the items are exclusive and under NDA. Otherwise they could make our pats to others, distribute our drawings, create knockoffs etc. I find it hard to believe Sherry ordered this and if so, BSP is doing it purely out of good will to Sherry. They are more likely to want the entity who made the large order to be happy rather than break the contract of the smaller order. They honoured something they in no way had to honour unless specified, and instead cancelled the other order. Was there any specification on the invoice regarding cancellations keyboardvintage? You should be able to get compensation out of that if it.
So for those who want their money back asap, I cannot do anything about this. I understand your position but the money is still at BSP's hands. I am trying to keep this GB going, because WE have the right to get what we purchased. They do not have the right to cancel an order based on NOTHING, although some would argue this was sherry whatsoever, well they offered me a product, I purchase it, end of the discussion about jumping on others MOQ, I didn't ask for that, I initially request for samples.. .
As the Contract of Sales of goods states (under the european normative, this is a clear breach of contract, and so far I am trying to persuade them that what they are doing is not legit.
About the blank orders, I do not know why Sherry keeps saying that those would be cancelled. So Sherry, please, do not keep screwing up things here. The blank sets are NOT canceled. Actually BSP is trying to send me the Blank + RGB blank with 1 set of each color (DYESUB sets) which is not acceptable for me, because is not what I purchased.So it looks like BSP is trying to correct the problem with the Blank orders that seem to be able to go through, and giving OP a set of each dyesub color.
Conclusion: Sherry, u are giving me a HUGE headache with this situation, and I really hope that u can have a lovely bath with your 400sets. Plus the MOQ stated by BSP was a big bull**** (yes, I got quotations for 25, 50 and 100 MOQ ;), deal with it :D)
ProjectD is a good man and a smart man.
ProjectD is a good man and a smart man.
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Whatever personal beef you have with sherry doesn't apply (he's not a perfect businessman, however, he's gotten better). Simply ask yourself, if you were in sherry's shoes, what would you have done? I would have done the same
ProjectD is a good man and a smart man.
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Whatever personal beef you have with sherry doesn't apply (he's not a perfect businessman, however, he's gotten better). Simply ask yourself, if you were in sherry's shoes, what would you have done? I would have done the same
i asked myself this: would |3oilermaker have done this? i doubt it... i dont know for a fact but that would be my guess.
I asked myself this: if <insert any name> spent tens of thousands dollars of his or her own money on an order with BSP to meet the BSP-imposed MOQ, would <insert same name here> have contacted BSP to ask them WTF and ask them to fix the fxxkup they created? I bet your ass that he or she would. I don't know for a fact but that would be my guess.
I asked myself this: if <insert any name> spent tens of thousands dollars of his or her own money on an order with BSP to meet the BSP-imposed MOQ, would <insert same name here> have contacted BSP to ask them WTF and ask them to fix the fxxkup they created? I bet your ass that he or she would. I don't know for a fact but that would be my guess.
I don't think you would've. BSP have some of the most desired keycaps in the world. It's not as if Sherry could've just gone to another company and got the same keycaps. BSP is the one and only source - if he wants the keycaps he must do business with them even if they do **** up.I asked myself this: if <insert any name> spent tens of thousands dollars of his or her own money on an order with BSP to meet the BSP-imposed MOQ, would <insert same name here> have contacted BSP to ask them WTF and ask them to fix the fxxkup they created? I bet your ass that he or she would. I don't know for a fact but that would be my guess.
Nope, I would have cancelled my order on the spot. No second chance for that big of a **** up.
I don't think you would've. BSP have some of the most desired keycaps in the world. It's not as if Sherry could've just gone to another company and got the same keycaps. BSP is the one and only source - if he wants the keycaps he must do business with them even if they do **** up.I asked myself this: if <insert any name> spent tens of thousands dollars of his or her own money on an order with BSP to meet the BSP-imposed MOQ, would <insert same name here> have contacted BSP to ask them WTF and ask them to fix the fxxkup they created? I bet your ass that he or she would. I don't know for a fact but that would be my guess.
Nope, I would have cancelled my order on the spot. No second chance for that big of a **** up.
Actually, I would have. I care about ethics more than money. Also, how much money can Sherry be making by selling keycaps? I'm sure 400 sets will take over a year to sell. There are much faster ways to make profits if he is actually looking for money.Well in that case you'd fail to deliver what the customer wants. Sometimes you have to tolerate mistakes, even if they are larges ones, in order to gain a superior product.
Well in that case you'd fail to deliver what the customer wants. Sometimes you have to tolerate mistakes, even if they are larges ones, in order to gain a superior product.
If Sherry wasn't making a good profit do you think he'd pour money into these high MOQs?
I don't think you would've. BSP have some of the most desired keycaps in the world. It's not as if Sherry could've just gone to another company and got the same keycaps. BSP is the one and only source - if he wants the keycaps he must do business with them even if they do **** up.I asked myself this: if <insert any name> spent tens of thousands dollars of his or her own money on an order with BSP to meet the BSP-imposed MOQ, would <insert same name here> have contacted BSP to ask them WTF and ask them to fix the fxxkup they created? I bet your ass that he or she would. I don't know for a fact but that would be my guess.
Nope, I would have cancelled my order on the spot. No second chance for that big of a **** up.
Actually, I would have. I care about ethics more than money. Also, how much money can Sherry be making by selling keycaps? I'm sure 400 sets will take over a year to sell. There are much faster ways to make profits if he is actually looking for money.
Well in that case you'd fail to deliver what the customer wants. Sometimes you have to tolerate mistakes, even if they are larges ones, in order to gain a superior product.
If Sherry wasn't making a good profit do you think he'd pour money into these high MOQs?
I don't doubt he will be making good profits. But it will take a while before he breaks even and start making profit. I don't own any keycap companies so I don't know exactly how many he would sell. But he is selling more than one set of keycaps anyway, so it's not like that is his only product he needs to get rid of. At $95 (not sure about this), how long will it take him to sell enough sets and break even? After he sells everything his profits won't be more than three quarters of what he spent. There are much faster ways to earn money if he was actually looking to.
Vendors/hobbyist salespersons need to keep in touch with their buyers.
I know we all have a million things going on like life,work and selling keycaps. But if you want that 2nd "hobby" business to work you better be ready for ridicule. And its good customer service to keep us informed.
If you can't handle a second business or side job then DON'T DO IT!
This is just an observation from a newb getting used to group buys.
But i build boats and do HVAC on the side so i know when i'm over my head. Some vendors don't.
I don't think you would've. BSP have some of the most desired keycaps in the world. It's not as if Sherry could've just gone to another company and got the same keycaps. BSP is the one and only source - if he wants the keycaps he must do business with them even if they do **** up.I asked myself this: if <insert any name> spent tens of thousands dollars of his or her own money on an order with BSP to meet the BSP-imposed MOQ, would <insert same name here> have contacted BSP to ask them WTF and ask them to fix the fxxkup they created? I bet your ass that he or she would. I don't know for a fact but that would be my guess.
Nope, I would have cancelled my order on the spot. No second chance for that big of a **** up.
Actually, I would have. I care about ethics more than money. Also, how much money can Sherry be making by selling keycaps? I'm sure 400 sets will take over a year to sell. There are much faster ways to make profits if he is actually looking for money.Well in that case you'd fail to deliver what the customer wants. Sometimes you have to tolerate mistakes, even if they are larges ones, in order to gain a superior product.
If Sherry wasn't making a good profit do you think he'd pour money into these high MOQs?
I don't doubt he will be making good profits. But it will take a while before he breaks even and start making profit. I don't own any keycap companies so I don't know exactly how many he would sell. But he is selling more than one set of keycaps anyway, so it's not like that is his only product he needs to get rid of. At $95 (not sure about this), how long will it take him to sell enough sets and break even? After he sells everything his profits won't be more than three quarters of what he spent. There are much faster ways to earn money if he was actually looking to.
Topre, it is pretty obvious from your posts that you have no idea what you are talking about. What's so unethical being done here? You would have canceled your order if you were Sherryton? How funny!
"oh crap, I paid BSP tens of thousands of dollars to order up to MOQ that BSP requires for any order, and then someone else rides my order's coattail and don't have to order up to MOQ, I must now cancel my big order because that is the ethical thing to do." Yes, that makes soooooo much sense.
I don't think you would've. BSP have some of the most desired keycaps in the world. It's not as if Sherry could've just gone to another company and got the same keycaps. BSP is the one and only source - if he wants the keycaps he must do business with them even if they do **** up.I asked myself this: if <insert any name> spent tens of thousands dollars of his or her own money on an order with BSP to meet the BSP-imposed MOQ, would <insert same name here> have contacted BSP to ask them WTF and ask them to fix the fxxkup they created? I bet your ass that he or she would. I don't know for a fact but that would be my guess.
Nope, I would have cancelled my order on the spot. No second chance for that big of a **** up.
Actually, I would have. I care about ethics more than money. Also, how much money can Sherry be making by selling keycaps? I'm sure 400 sets will take over a year to sell. There are much faster ways to make profits if he is actually looking for money.Well in that case you'd fail to deliver what the customer wants. Sometimes you have to tolerate mistakes, even if they are larges ones, in order to gain a superior product.
If Sherry wasn't making a good profit do you think he'd pour money into these high MOQs?
I don't doubt he will be making good profits. But it will take a while before he breaks even and start making profit. I don't own any keycap companies so I don't know exactly how many he would sell. But he is selling more than one set of keycaps anyway, so it's not like that is his only product he needs to get rid of. At $95 (not sure about this), how long will it take him to sell enough sets and break even? After he sells everything his profits won't be more than three quarters of what he spent. There are much faster ways to earn money if he was actually looking to.
Topre, it is pretty obvious from your posts that you have no idea what you are talking about. What's so unethical being done here? You would have canceled your order if you were Sherryton? How funny!
"oh crap, I paid BSP tens of thousands of dollars to order up to MOQ that BSP requires for any order, and then someone else rides my order's coattail and don't have to order up to MOQ, I must now cancel my big order because that is the ethical thing to do." Yes, that makes soooooo much sense.
How is what BSP did not unethical? They are telling two people different numbers for MOQ. Everyone should be following the same MOQ, but yet they are doing this for greed. They wanted to make a few extra bucks so they tell one person that there is no MOQ and he is fine to order what ever he likes.
I don't think you would've. BSP have some of the most desired keycaps in the world. It's not as if Sherry could've just gone to another company and got the same keycaps. BSP is the one and only source - if he wants the keycaps he must do business with them even if they do **** up.I asked myself this: if <insert any name> spent tens of thousands dollars of his or her own money on an order with BSP to meet the BSP-imposed MOQ, would <insert same name here> have contacted BSP to ask them WTF and ask them to fix the fxxkup they created? I bet your ass that he or she would. I don't know for a fact but that would be my guess.
Nope, I would have cancelled my order on the spot. No second chance for that big of a **** up.
Actually, I would have. I care about ethics more than money. Also, how much money can Sherry be making by selling keycaps? I'm sure 400 sets will take over a year to sell. There are much faster ways to make profits if he is actually looking for money.Well in that case you'd fail to deliver what the customer wants. Sometimes you have to tolerate mistakes, even if they are larges ones, in order to gain a superior product.
If Sherry wasn't making a good profit do you think he'd pour money into these high MOQs?
I don't doubt he will be making good profits. But it will take a while before he breaks even and start making profit. I don't own any keycap companies so I don't know exactly how many he would sell. But he is selling more than one set of keycaps anyway, so it's not like that is his only product he needs to get rid of. At $95 (not sure about this), how long will it take him to sell enough sets and break even? After he sells everything his profits won't be more than three quarters of what he spent. There are much faster ways to earn money if he was actually looking to.
Topre, it is pretty obvious from your posts that you have no idea what you are talking about. What's so unethical being done here? You would have canceled your order if you were Sherryton? How funny!
"oh crap, I paid BSP tens of thousands of dollars to order up to MOQ that BSP requires for any order, and then someone else rides my order's coattail and don't have to order up to MOQ, I must now cancel my big order because that is the ethical thing to do." Yes, that makes soooooo much sense.
How is what BSP did not unethical? They are telling two people different numbers for MOQ. Everyone should be following the same MOQ, but yet they are doing this for greed. They wanted to make a few extra bucks so they tell one person that there is no MOQ and he is fine to order what ever he likes.
Topre, you really don't have a clue what you are talking about. You have all the subjects mixed up. Re-read what you posted. Made the font larger for you in case you don't find what you said that contradicts yourself.
I'm reading, can you make it bigger? Anyway I guess I made it confusing about what I was talking about.
If I was Sherryton, I would have cancelled my orders because I prefer to not work with an unethical company.
I'm reading, can you make it bigger? Anyway I guess I made it confusing about what I was talking about.
Or you have no idea what you are talking about and doing an about face now.If I was Sherryton, I would have cancelled my orders because I prefer to not work with an unethical company.
Right. Because it makes soooooo much sense:
"oh crap, I paid BSP tens of thousands of dollars to order up to MOQ that BSP requires for any order, and then someone else rides my order's coattail and don't have to order up to MOQ, I must now cancel my big order because BSP screws. I must now ask for a refund for what I already ordered, lose money on exchange rate both ways, lose money on return shipping, and send all the goods I received from BSP back, like nothing happened."
You are so smart.
Any news/updates?
About BSP, the people responsible of dealing with my order are now on holidays (as they just told me via phone) and will be back somewhere end of July. I have already request a full refund, but apparently within the "backup" team left, no accountant is present...so SURPRISE, your money is still at BSP's hands, at least until August.
I will be off on holidays for the becoming 3 weeks, but I will connect once in awhile to update here, if necessary.
i asked myself this: would |3oilermaker have done this? i doubt it... i dont know for a fact but that would be my guess.
He's not logged in since July 5th. Doesn't seem to be actively resolving the situation.
He's not logged in since July 5th. Doesn't seem to be actively resolving the situation.There probably still isn't anything he can do. BSP are most likely still holding the money.
Well, 3 emails later, and a big fat nothing.
I guess most people got their money back from paypal earlier. Those who held out like me, trusting the OP are SOL it seems.
Well, 3 emails later, and a big fat nothing.I feel your pain sleepy :\
I guess most people got their money back from paypal earlier. Those who held out like me, trusting the OP are SOL it seems.
Well, 3 emails later, and a big fat nothing.I feel your pain sleepy :\
I guess most people got their money back from paypal earlier. Those who held out like me, trusting the OP are SOL it seems.
Oh well, what should I do then? I paid via bank transfer :/
Well, 3 emails later, and a big fat nothing.I feel your pain sleepy :\
I guess most people got their money back from paypal earlier. Those who held out like me, trusting the OP are SOL it seems.
This and the Prof's GB is why I'm not going to do any more groupbuys anytime soon.Oh well, what should I do then? I paid via bank transfer :/
We can be SOL together. :p
You were in profs too? :\ I joined like during the time he decided to go silent
Note to self: Don't join GBs sleepy916 is also in...
hahha :D
Note to self: Don't join GBs sleepy916 is also in...
hahha :D
What if he joins a group buy you are hosting :D
Note to self: Don't join GBs sleepy916 is also in...
hahha :D
What if he joins a group buy you are hosting :D
I hope earlly this g.b refund :blank:
Well, 3 emails later, and a big fat nothing.I feel your pain sleepy :\
I guess most people got their money back from paypal earlier. Those who held out like me, trusting the OP are SOL it seems.
This and the Prof's GB is why I'm not going to do any more groupbuys anytime soon.Oh well, what should I do then? I paid via bank transfer :/
We can be SOL together. :p
Well, 3 emails later, and a big fat nothing.I feel your pain sleepy :\
I guess most people got their money back from paypal earlier. Those who held out like me, trusting the OP are SOL it seems.
This and the Prof's GB is why I'm not going to do any more groupbuys anytime soon.Oh well, what should I do then? I paid via bank transfer :/
We can be SOL together. :p
What happened to the Prof's GB?
You have to contact paypal.
Pretty funny this guy complains about people locking his account and getting it flagged.... Yet disappears with no updates or communication. (Thanks)
Like, what did you expect? Seeing as this is how you treat customers. (Thanks)
Well, there should be a policy here on GH that you can't start a group buy if you have less than 500 posts *AND* have not been a member for more than 6 months.
But there isn't such policy here. And this has happened multiple times.
As you say, there have to be some sort of rules here. Post count doesnt work, I have seen way to many spammers lately.
Well, there should be a policy here on GH that you can't start a group buy if you have less than 500 posts *AND* have not been a member for more than 6 months.
But there isn't such policy here. And this has happened multiple times.
Well, there should be a policy here on GH that you can't start a group buy if you have less than 500 posts *AND* have not been a member for more than 6 months.
But there isn't such policy here. And this has happened multiple times.
Nothing is stopping people from realizing that they can't handle a group buy they got themselves into running. That can happen at any number of posts. Look at the Prof's situation or recently Bavman's (Phantom PCB GB). There've been plenty of successful group buys by people with fewer posts than you've listed. It's all on a case-by-case basis. We can exclude the team Red Line subforum and Keypop, then if we want 500-post minimum, etc. Many vendors and people running group buys don't post that much otherwise. Some are generally quiet but still reliable.
There's no easy solution to this problem, other than exercising caution and making personal judgements whether to get involved and how much money you're prepared to lose. Risk vs. Benefit.
Well, there should be a policy here on GH that you can't start a group buy if you have less than 500 posts *AND* have not been a member for more than 6 months.
But there isn't such policy here. And this has happened multiple times.
Nothing is stopping people from realizing that they can't handle a group buy they got themselves into running. That can happen at any number of posts. Look at the Prof's situation or recently Bavman's (Phantom PCB GB). There've been plenty of successful group buys by people with fewer posts than you've listed. It's all on a case-by-case basis. We can exclude the team Red Line subforum and Keypop, then if we want 500-post minimum, etc. Many vendors and people running group buys don't post that much otherwise. Some are generally quiet but still reliable.
There's no easy solution to this problem, other than exercising caution and making personal judgements whether to get involved and how much money you're prepared to lose. Risk vs. Benefit.
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Is there anybody of gh could ask the starters of gb to pay some money for insurance and when their gbs ended succesfully,the money they have paid will be back to the starters...i think it a good rule for them.
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Is there anybody of gh could ask the starters of gb to pay some money for insurance and when their gbs ended succesfully,the money they have paid will be back to the starters...i think it a good rule for them.
How much money were you thinking of as insurance? I don't think that solution would work at all either way.
-If you did it to ensure that there was enough money to cover everyone, the GB organizer would be required to have a LARGE amount of money at hand to deposit for this. They would be taking the entire risk on themselves and essentially become a Vendor rather than a GB organizer.
-One could do it with a smaller amount of money that that of the entire GB. It is a bit naive to think that this would discourage a GB organizer from walking away with everyone's investments since they will still benefit from this transaction because the amount they put up as insurance is less than the total cost of the GB.
Both of these solutions negates the point of having a GB. People are allowed to get things without one person having to take all the risk and no one needs to have the investment required to begin with since everyone contributes. With this, you would essentially turn every GB into a sale where the GB organizer takes the entire risk etc.
Is there anybody of gh could ask the starters of gb to pay some money for insurance and when their gbs ended succesfully,the money they have paid will be back to the starters...i think it a good rule for them.
How much money were you thinking of as insurance? I don't think that solution would work at all either way.
-If you did it to ensure that there was enough money to cover everyone, the GB organizer would be required to have a LARGE amount of money at hand to deposit for this. They would be taking the entire risk on themselves and essentially become a Vendor rather than a GB organizer.
-One could do it with a smaller amount of money that that of the entire GB. It is a bit naive to think that this would discourage a GB organizer from walking away with everyone's investments since they will still benefit from this transaction because the amount they put up as insurance is less than the total cost of the GB.
Both of these solutions negates the point of having a GB. People are allowed to get things without one person having to take all the risk and no one needs to have the investment required to begin with since everyone contributes. With this, you would essentially turn every GB into a sale where the GB organizer takes the entire risk etc.
This is correct. Everyone takes a risk when entering a GB. It really sucks that your money is gone, but you should have known this before entering the GB.
BSP can't authorize a return to someone else except for the person they did business with
think about it, how can you as a business owner take money that was paid by 1 individual and give it to another?
Bsp has no clue who we(members) are. How can they give out information someone else ordered? I'd be pissed if a company gave out information. There's nothing that can be done, chalk it up to a learning experience. Not the 1st time a GB gone bad, and won't be the last time. Ive been in some as well that's gone bad (changdrew for example)
Any evidence of OP's address anywhere? Mods must have his IP? Worth tracing ? Demand Letter/Law suit? Even if its not worth it individually, pool a small amount of money together? Stop him doing it again?
...But it was incredibly easy to find...
After some googling, I know where he lives and I know a guy who lives pretty close to kbdvintage.
P.S. Suppose the address on whois is correct.
Bsp has no clue who we(members) are. How can they give out information someone else ordered? I'd be pissed if a company gave out information. There's nothing that can be done, chalk it up to a learning experience. Not the 1st time a GB gone bad, and won't be the last time. Ive been in some as well that's gone bad (changdrew for example)
It's not your money, it's not your ass which was on fire, so you don't give a ****.
But some of us did spent money on this GB, what do you think we should do ?
1) Conflict resolution: CAVEAT EMPTOR. Moderators will not step in to mediate buys gone bad. BE CAREFUL WHEN BUYING/SELLING ON THIS FORUM! We accept no liability and will provide no services to buyers or sellers short of providing a forum for organizing group buys. We highly encourage buyers and sellers to reference their own feedback ratings (heatware, ebay, etc), and we highly encourage users to refrain from joining buys organized by anyone but senior members with a proven track record of organizing large group buys. CAVEAT EMPTOR: WE ACCEPT NO LIABILITY FOR LOSSES RELATED TO OR RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM OR FOR ANY TRANSACTION RESULTING FROM A POSTING IN THIS FORUM.
...But it was incredibly easy to find...After some googling, I know where he lives and I know a guy who lives pretty close to kbdvintage.
P.S. Suppose the address on whois is correct.
Told you :)
The address on the who-is is the same as the address which shows on some listing sites if you just Google the username, and the country at least matches that on his profile here.
I think a simple letter stating the money owed is the first, correct step. Any attempt at threatening (not suggesting that anyone here would) would likely cause him to run and if it got to a legal setting in which the money was retrieved would be a mark in his favour.
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Bsp has no clue who we(members) are. How can they give out information someone else ordered? I'd be pissed if a company gave out information. There's nothing that can be done, chalk it up to a learning experience. Not the 1st time a GB gone bad, and won't be the last time. Ive been in some as well that's gone bad (changdrew for example)
It's not your money, it's not your ass which was on fire, so you don't give a ****.
But some of us did spent money on this GB, what do you think we should do ?
im talking from a business standpoint. Stop thinking with your emotions and consider this: Would you want your supplier to randomly give money you paid them to someone else?
come on man, think rationally for a moment.
If BSP did this, how the hell can anyone in good faith do business with them in the future?
If they're willing to refund $$ to people based on hearsay?
Besides just read rule #1 in the forum:Quote1) Conflict resolution: CAVEAT EMPTOR. Moderators will not step in to mediate buys gone bad. BE CAREFUL WHEN BUYING/SELLING ON THIS FORUM! We accept no liability and will provide no services to buyers or sellers short of providing a forum for organizing group buys. We highly encourage buyers and sellers to reference their own feedback ratings (heatware, ebay, etc), and we highly encourage users to refrain from joining buys organized by anyone but senior members with a proven track record of organizing large group buys. CAVEAT EMPTOR: WE ACCEPT NO LIABILITY FOR LOSSES RELATED TO OR RESULTING FROM POSTING IN THIS FORUM OR FOR ANY TRANSACTION RESULTING FROM A POSTING IN THIS FORUM....But it was incredibly easy to find...After some googling, I know where he lives and I know a guy who lives pretty close to kbdvintage.
P.S. Suppose the address on whois is correct.
Told you :)
The address on the who-is is the same as the address which shows on some listing sites if you just Google the username, and the country at least matches that on his profile here.
I think a simple letter stating the money owed is the first, correct step. Any attempt at threatening (not suggesting that anyone here would) would likely cause him to run and if it got to a legal setting in which the money was retrieved would be a mark in his favour.
Do you really think GH will condone vigilantism? Or threats against bodily harm? lol
What if you guys are wrong about the address? Are you willing to take responsibility for something that happens to an innocent party?
I think a simple letter stating the money owed is the first, correct step. Any attempt at threatening (not suggesting that anyone here would) would likely cause him to run and if it got to a legal setting in which the money was retrieved would be a mark in his favour.
Do you really think GH will condone vigilantism? Or threats against bodily harm? lol
What if you guys are wrong about the address? Are you willing to take responsibility for something that happens to an innocent party?
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What are you trying to say, in essence? Don't do anything at all? I don't see anyone talking about sending threats or anything like that--quite the opposite. Why are you so against people getting a resolution to this situation? Trying to get in touch with different parties to get information is a step toward resolving this. Posting long negative replies here and doing nothing is not going to help in any way.
I live >very< close by, I can be the sender of this letter if it comes to that if that were to happen.
Or if anything else requires a local, lmk.
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What are you trying to say, in essence? Don't do anything at all? I don't see anyone talking about sending threats or anything like that--quite the opposite. Why are you so against people getting a resolution to this situation? Trying to get in touch with different parties to get information is a step toward resolving this. Posting long negative replies here and doing nothing is not going to help in any way.
because you're setting the blame the wrong way
if you want to try to contact the OP, that's fine
contacting BSP is not the right way, nor is trying to get BSP to give you $$. Not to mention as i said b4, they'd just ignore you.
Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is like many other GBs that organizers just "disappear" from GH, if you can do chargeback with your Credit Card, you do it. If you can chargeback through paypal, you do it.
Other than that, there's really nothing you can do except chalk it up as a learning experience and deal with people who you personally think is "safe"
The whole GB system relies on a trust between all parties. If you're not willing to assume the risks of the GB, you're better off buying it from Venders/suppliers. AT least that way you're guaranteed $$ back if anything goes wrong.
That being said, good luck to you guys who have your $$ stuck in this horrible situation. Hopefully you get better luck than I did on previous GBs and Sales where people just disappear.
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What are you trying to say, in essence? Don't do anything at all? I don't see anyone talking about sending threats or anything like that--quite the opposite. Why are you so against people getting a resolution to this situation? Trying to get in touch with different parties to get information is a step toward resolving this. Posting long negative replies here and doing nothing is not going to help in any way.
because you're setting the blame the wrong way
if you want to try to contact the OP, that's fine
contacting BSP is not the right way, nor is trying to get BSP to give you $$. Not to mention as i said b4, they'd just ignore you.
Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is like many other GBs that organizers just "disappear" from GH, if you can do chargeback with your Credit Card, you do it. If you can chargeback through paypal, you do it.
Other than that, there's really nothing you can do except chalk it up as a learning experience and deal with people who you personally think is "safe"
The whole GB system relies on a trust between all parties. If you're not willing to assume the risks of the GB, you're better off buying it from Venders/suppliers. AT least that way you're guaranteed $$ back if anything goes wrong.
That being said, good luck to you guys who have your $$ stuck in this horrible situation. Hopefully you get better luck than I did on previous GBs and Sales where people just disappear.
I'm pretty sure that interested parties are not as naive as you keep making them out to be. It's not like all of them don't know good business practices. Your resolution is to accept the loss and do nothing, and you were not involved into this group buy, so your money is not on the line. The people who were involved do want some answers, and I don't see any harm in them trying to get them. Once again, it doesn't hurt to ask. It appears that the organizer will not be back if nothing is done.
And finally, if one person scams another person, that's a certain amount of money owed to that one person. In this case, we're talking about a LOT of people effectively scammed out of a lot of money. So acceptance comes with greater difficulty.
None of you are about that life so stfu. Call your cc companies and get it sorted. Or walk the walk and stop pretending like you're going to do something.
Any evidence of OP's address anywhere? Mods must have his IP? Worth tracing ? Demand Letter/Law suit? Even if its not worth it individually, pool a small amount of money together? Stop him doing it again?+1
agree！Bsp has no clue who we(members) are. How can they give out information someone else ordered? I'd be pissed if a company gave out information. There's nothing that can be done, chalk it up to a learning experience. Not the 1st time a GB gone bad, and won't be the last time. Ive been in some as well that's gone bad (changdrew for example)
It's not your money, it's not your ass which was on fire, so you don't give a ****.
But some of us did spent money on this GB, what do you think we should do ?
agree！Bsp has no clue who we(members) are. How can they give out information someone else ordered? I'd be pissed if a company gave out information. There's nothing that can be done, chalk it up to a learning experience. Not the 1st time a GB gone bad, and won't be the last time. Ive been in some as well that's gone bad (changdrew for example)
It's not your money, it's not your ass which was on fire, so you don't give a ****.
But some of us did spent money on this GB, what do you think we should do ?
I live >very< close by, I can be the sender of this letter if it comes to that if that were to happen.
Or if anything else requires a local, lmk.
What do you expect me to do?I live >very< close by, I can be the sender of this letter if it comes to that if that were to happen.
Or if anything else requires a local, lmk.
I just wanna know how this thing is going.Would you please contact him and ask whatever this is going?
We are not blamming him. We just wanna know if he still working on this thing or not.
And do let him updata something in this topic,please.
What do you expect me to do?I live >very< close by, I can be the sender of this letter if it comes to that if that were to happen.
Or if anything else requires a local, lmk.
I just wanna know how this thing is going.Would you please contact him and ask whatever this is going?
We are not blamming him. We just wanna know if he still working on this thing or not.
And do let him updata something in this topic,please.
There is a domain that is the exact same as his username, and its the same country.
That's all we have, if I were to step by. What do I ask, if he's who we think he is? He could just say no, same thing with a letter.
Sure I could go step by, but we're not even 100% sure if this guy is the same guy.
I'd like to not take initiative on this, but if the communnity would like to write a letter or of something requires a local I can do that.
I guess I could go and ask if he's kboardvintage.
Did you pay via PayPal, zenuty? I believe there is a time frame for refunds with PayPal of around 3 months(?) but it might be worth contacting them anyway. If possible I would try to call PayPal as you will get the best response from them, emails seem to get no where judging by others experience.
Did you pay via PayPal, zenuty? I believe there is a time frame for refunds with PayPal of around 3 months(?) but it might be worth contacting them anyway. If possible I would try to call PayPal as you will get the best response from them, emails seem to get no where judging by others experience.
The time frame is 45 days and it was well past that when things started to get a bit complicated. Paypal won't even look into it if it is past the 45 days.
Did you pay via PayPal, zenuty? I believe there is a time frame for refunds with PayPal of around 3 months(?) but it might be worth contacting them anyway. If possible I would try to call PayPal as you will get the best response from them, emails seem to get no where judging by others experience.
I need to water gun...
I would fill pee and shot to irresponsibility man.... >:D
I need to water gun...
I would fill pee and shot to irresponsibility man.... >:D
I need to water gun...I think we all do, zenuty :'(
I would fill pee and shot to irresponsibility man.... >:D
same me for 4 sets :v
So did anybody else besides me get a set of these keys?
I don't know if it helps, but I made my bank wire transfer via SEPA to:
[snip]
So, somebody can work with that?
(yes, this is personal information, but frankly I don't care and she/he deserves it)
He finally logged in, shot him a pm but I bet it goes nowhere.i think we should pm him more and more till he come to update!
i am going to buy a BSP set from sherryton too....The money of this GB seems to be lost for me ...So did anybody else besides me get a set of these keys?
I got a set... from sherryton - but not the keys I paid for as a part of this GB.
Interestingly enough, kboardvintage has logged into GH in the past 24hrs - account last active: Mon, 04 November 2013, 03:12:58
You're not along zenuty, I put over $500 on this GB. :(
same me for 4 sets :v
Hmm.......The starter of this gb may be laughing behind all of us,with all our money on his hand~
Last Active: Mon, 04 November 2013, 03:12:58
Please don't take assumptions and start a witch hunt, no one has all the information and can know what has happened.Hmm.......The starter of this gb may be laughing behind all of us,with all our money on his hand~
Last Active: Mon, 04 November 2013, 03:12:58
What i say was that he just logged in before,without any update for all of us~Please don't take assumptions and start a witch hunt, no one has all the information and can know what has happened.Hmm.......The starter of this gb may be laughing behind all of us,with all our money on his hand~
Last Active: Mon, 04 November 2013, 03:12:58
Details about the GB organizer and what BSP had said/done or even Paypal are unclear.
However its definitely NOT ok for the organizer to just leave and leave people out in the blue.
I was not part of this GB, but skimping over it I think there are valuable lessons to be learnt.
Am I correct in my conclusions that what happened was that this sherry dude ordered a bunch of keycaps from bsp and then the kboardvintage guy tried to opportunistically buy direct from bsp additional keysets by asking bsp to extend the run and provide a limited quantity at a favourable price? Then kboardvintage collected money from users, handed over the money to BSP, then Sherry got upset and strong armed BSP to default on the keysets promised to kboardvintage?
Besides the initials in the bsp sku, does Sherry have any intellectual property rights over those specific keysets that gave him the right to block others from acquiring the same product?
Or did he simply strong arm BSP to kill kboardvintage's gb wth the muscle of a 400 keyset purchase order + possibility of future business?
What happened to the money kboardvintage had collected? BSP do not owe anyone other than kboardvintage any explanation as far as I can see. And no one other than kboardvintage owes any of those hurt by the failed GB any explanation.
What however I find most disturbing in interest groups such as gh however is how some players are held in veneration as righteous and the go to people even when their actions speak otherwise. In this case there have been comments where keyboard enthusiasts have not only lost money on this gb and defended the person who ultimately knifed the gb and put their money in jeopardy but went scurrying back to that user handing over more money for the same keysets.
As the saying goes "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
I was not part of this GB, but skimping over it I think there are valuable lessons to be learnt.
Am I correct in my conclusions that what happened was that this sherry dude ordered a bunch of keycaps from bsp and then the kboardvintage guy tried to opportunistically buy direct from bsp additional keysets by asking bsp to extend the run and provide a limited quantity at a favourable price? Then kboardvintage collected money from users, handed over the money to BSP, then Sherry got upset and strong armed BSP to default on the keysets promised to kboardvintage?
Besides the initials in the bsp sku, does Sherry have any intellectual property rights over those specific keysets that gave him the right to block others from acquiring the same product?
Or did he simply strong arm BSP to kill kboardvintage's gb wth the muscle of a 400 keyset purchase order + possibility of future business?
What happened to the money kboardvintage had collected? BSP do not owe anyone other than kboardvintage any explanation as far as I can see. And no one other than kboardvintage owes any of those hurt by the failed GB any explanation.
What however I find most disturbing in interest groups such as gh however is how some players are held in veneration as righteous and the go to people even when their actions speak otherwise. In this case there have been comments where keyboard enthusiasts have not only lost money on this gb and defended the person who ultimately knifed the gb and put their money in jeopardy but went scurrying back to that user handing over more money for the same keysets.
As the saying goes "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
1st part of the problem:
BSP's MOQ is 400 pieces
without sherry's order, this keyset was not gonna get through
explain to me how its fair for kboardvintage to come and piggy back on sherry's order?
Sherry's order involved him paying for the whole order out of pocket, without starting up a GB.
KB offered the keyset at a similar low price after the 400MOQ was agreed to on sherry's order.
Let me ask you, if you've invested over $20,000 in a product, then someone comes along and piggybacks on your investment for the product with the goal of distributing to your potential customers, how would you feel?
This isn't about someone being thought of as righteous or what not. Its quite simply very simple business.
BSP made the mistake of trying to profit off an order that one of their customers placed. The argument that sherry's order of 400 was in, so they should just sell the extra orders to anyone else is ridiculous.
If they conducted their business like this, they would lose a ton of customers. You don't see SP allowing people to buy our GB keysets or produce more than our GB amounts do you?
Part 2 of the problem:
Instead of trying to workout some way with sherry, say move the orders to sherry instead of trying to proceed with the gb. Or contacting sherry and offering to buy out at his price these pieces, KB instead believes he's entitled to his product order and tries to get BSP to continue with his order. i personally don't see how a company refunding the $$ for an order is a breach of contract, maybe its different in london? As long as $$ was returned how is there a breach?
Anyway so KB decides to nag sherry, not refund the $$ to the groupbuy members, and basically then disappears off of GH. So you can say sherry's "wrong" for stopping 19 sets from being processed in this GB.
But frankly speaking, KB shows he's just a coward for disappearing and not coming back. He claims paypal's claimed over 2 grand from his accounts, but i'm pretty sure the order cost more than 2 grand so in the end he still profits and goes away, screwing all the people who tried to participate in this gb.
So say what you want about sherry, he's still around GH and running his store. Kboardvantage has disappeared from GH and ran off with $. You decide who's the bigger douchebag.
But frankly speaking, KB shows he's just a coward for disappearing and not coming back. He claims paypal's claimed over 2 grand from his accounts, but i'm pretty sure the order cost more than 2 grand so in the end he still profits and goes away, screwing all the people who tried to participate in this gb.
So say what you want about sherry, he's still around GH and running his store. Kboardvantage has disappeared from GH and ran off with $. You decide who's the bigger douchebag.
Don't you think though that BSP could have said no to Sherry's request for exclusivity after Sherry inquired about the extra sets? It wasn't very wrong to express outrage that BSP would produce extra sets at lower price per set based on Sherry's purchase from Sherry's perspective--wouldn't you agree? I mean wouldn't you feel similarly if you'd invested your own money into something for your store and someone else jumped in to effectively steal some of your customers? That's his perspective. It's not like he MADE BSP offer extra sets to others and then made them deny those extra sets. The fault is 1. with BSP for shady dealings, and 2. with Kboardvintage for not updating anymore and disappearing.
You said it was Sherry's fault too, but my reply was explaining how it doesn't look like Sherry's fault. It was more BSP's fault for allowing it all to happen as it did. They should not have made extra sets and should not have offered them to another customer. What does Sherry have to do with that part?They on the other hand had no reason not to not accept the second order and make extra sets. Why shouldn't they make them if someone else orders them and there is nothing preventing them to? Sherry has to do with it in that he first made the mistake of not specifying that BSP wasn't allowed to do this, and secondly conveyed BSP to honour an agreement which was never there in the first place. I assume there was no such agreement beforehand simply because BSP being a large company would have honoured such an agreement if there was one.
So he didn't sign the exclusivity part, and in that case, BSP could have just said "well, you didn't sign an exclusivity contract, so we have the legal right to keep both sets of orders at the original terms". It was BSP's choice to change the terms on Kboardvintage.
You said it was Sherry's fault too, but my reply was explaining how it doesn't look like Sherry's fault. It was more BSP's fault for allowing it all to happen as it did. They should not have made extra sets and should not have offered them to another customer. What does Sherry have to do with that part? So he didn't sign the exclusivity part, and in that case, BSP could have just said "well, you didn't sign an exclusivity contract, so we have the legal right to keep both sets of orders at the original terms". It was BSP's choice to change the terms on Kboardvintage.
We don't know all the exact details anyway. This is just what we've been told.
And regardless, this group buy is really in a rut more because of Kboardvintage's disappearance with the rest of the money from those who did not get theirs back via PayPal disputes.
You said it was Sherry's fault too, but my reply was explaining how it doesn't look like Sherry's fault. It was more BSP's fault for allowing it all to happen as it did. They should not have made extra sets and should not have offered them to another customer. What does Sherry have to do with that part?They on the other hand had no reason not to not accept the second order and make extra sets. Why shouldn't they make them if someone else orders them and there is nothing preventing them to? Sherry has to do with it in that he first made the mistake of not specifying that BSP wasn't allowed to do this, and secondly conveyed BSP to honour an agreement which was never there in the first place. I assume there was no such agreement beforehand simply because BSP being a large company would have honoured such an agreement if there was one.So he didn't sign the exclusivity part, and in that case, BSP could have just said "well, you didn't sign an exclusivity contract, so we have the legal right to keep both sets of orders at the original terms". It was BSP's choice to change the terms on Kboardvintage.
Precisely, it was again wrong of Sherry to convince the company to break off another order, and wrong of BSP to agree to this.
Anyway, our opinions differ and lets leave it at that. My understanding is that Sherry made a mistake, then tried to cover his ass by converying BSP, which led to BSP accepting that request and cancelling an order, and then keyboardvintage stopped communicating and did not refund people.
They on the other hand had no reason not to not accept the second order and make extra sets. Why shouldn't they make them if someone else orders them and there is nothing preventing them to? Sherry has to do with it in that he first made the mistake of not specifying that BSP wasn't allowed to do this, and secondly conveyed BSP to honour an agreement which was never there in the first place. I assume there was no such agreement beforehand simply because BSP being a large company would have honoured such an agreement if there was one.
Precisely, it was again wrong of Sherry to convince the company to break off another order, and wrong of BSP to agree to this.
How about telling them to run another set of the graphite set that some have sold for $200+?
Or a Soware set that sells for $200?
because its bad business to do this.Yes, I bought some Red Alert from them after the GB for instance.
Do you see SP selling extra sets that we do GB's on?
Why can't i contact SP and tell them to run another Red Alert set with OG legends? Its already been done, the tooling is done, why is it wrong for them to sell me a few sets of that?You can. Some sets have been made several times. Sometimes you can't make a replica because some legends and colours are copyrighted. In the case of klaxxon Red Alert, they could be bought from SP outside of the GB.
How about telling them to run another set of the graphite set that some have sold for $200+?Graphite is one of the sets where an agreement was made to not sell outside. This is also true for the tooling of the Cherry replica fonts which not just anyone can use.
1st part of the problem:
BSP's MOQ is 400 pieces
without sherry's order, this keyset was not gonna get through
explain to me how its fair for kboardvintage to come and piggy back on sherry's order?
Sherry's order involved him paying for the whole order out of pocket, without starting up a GB.
KB offered the keyset at a similar low price after the 400MOQ was agreed to on sherry's order.
Let me ask you, if you've invested over $20,000 in a product, then someone comes along and piggybacks on your investment for the product with the goal of distributing to your potential customers, how would you feel?
This isn't about someone being thought of as righteous or what not. Its quite simply very simple business.
BSP made the mistake of trying to profit off an order that one of their customers placed. The argument that sherry's order of 400 was in, so they should just sell the extra orders to anyone else is ridiculous.
If they conducted their business like this, they would lose a ton of customers. You don't see SP allowing people to buy our GB keysets or produce more than our GB amounts do you?
Part 2 of the problem:
Instead of trying to workout some way with sherry, say move the orders to sherry instead of trying to proceed with the gb. Or contacting sherry and offering to buy out at his price these pieces, KB instead believes he's entitled to his product order and tries to get BSP to continue with his order. i personally don't see how a company refunding the $$ for an order is a breach of contract, maybe its different in london? As long as $$ was returned how is there a breach?
Anyway so KB decides to nag sherry, not refund the $$ to the groupbuy members, and basically then disappears off of GH. So you can say sherry's "wrong" for stopping 19 sets from being processed in this GB.
But frankly speaking, KB shows he's just a coward for disappearing and not coming back. He claims paypal's claimed over 2 grand from his accounts, but i'm pretty sure the order cost more than 2 grand so in the end he still profits and goes away, screwing all the people who tried to participate in this gb.
So say what you want about sherry, he's still around GH and running his store. Kboardvantage has disappeared from GH and ran off with $. You decide who's the bigger douchebag.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of writing something like this.
Depending on keyboardvintage's agreement with BSP, it might not be possible for him to get his money back. It might be the case that he has paid part of a large MOQ order, which has gone into production, and will need to pay the rest to have it delivered, and can't get it back because it has already been produced. This of course depends on the contracts, but if that is the case then keyboardvintage can do nothing about it.You seriously think that? It would be called Extortion, which should be illegal in most civilized countries. If the agreement was to buy x sets for y price, a vendor can't suddenly increase the price and hold your money hostage.
Depending on keyboardvintage's agreement with BSP, it might not be possible for him to get his money back. It might be the case that he has paid part of a large MOQ order, which has gone into production, and will need to pay the rest to have it delivered, and can't get it back because it has already been produced. This of course depends on the contracts, but if that is the case then keyboardvintage can do nothing about it.You seriously think that? It would be called Extortion, which should be illegal in most civilized countries. If the agreement was to buy x sets for y price, a vendor can't suddenly increase the price and hold your money hostage.
Depending on keyboardvintage's agreement with BSP, it might not be possible for him to get his money back. It might be the case that he has paid part of a large MOQ order, which has gone into production, and will need to pay the rest to have it delivered, and can't get it back because it has already been produced. This of course depends on the contracts, but if that is the case then keyboardvintage can do nothing about it.You seriously think that? It would be called Extortion, which should be illegal in most civilized countries. If the agreement was to buy x sets for y price, a vendor can't suddenly increase the price and hold your money hostage.
Of course. But if the agreement was to buy enough parts to satisfy the MOQ, and keyboardvintage was led to believe that this MOQ was low when it later became far higher, if BSP didn't ever state that this low MOQ was permanent to him he could have entered into an agreement without realizing that the MOQ had changed. He might have begun payment and production and then have been told that the MOQ was far higher than he had anticipated. Again, this all depends on communication, how the specifics were formulated, contract was worded and agreements which we are unaware of and currently just speculating in. What I am stating is that under certain circumstances, keyboardvintage comes of as perfectly innocent other than his lack of communication. He might be stuck in a situation where he is out some money as well, and not that he has been refunded and left with the money.
KBV has been gone for over a year... Money is long gone! :/:-[ALMOST 150 DOLLARS GONE!