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Title: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:25:17
Okay, I made this topic awhile ago.. but I'm too lazy to find it and bump it up so I'll make another one.

I'm thinking of signing up for the MS150 this october and actually doing the 150 miles.. but I need to train and lose weight so I don't die half way there. My longest ride is 50 miles, and it was killer. Granted, I did do it a month after I first started cycling so that probably wasn't smart.

So here I am GH, needing your help on the quickest (and safest) way to lose weight and work out to get stronger (specifically my legs). I have 5 months and a goal of losing 30-35 lbs.

In reddit fashion, explain it like i'm 5 years old. nice and simple. if you have recipes or full meal plans that'd be AWESOME.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:28:35
Honestly, its as simple as diet and exercise. I lost almost 50 pounds in 4 months when I had the right motivation.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:29:51
motivation.. that is my problem.

that and i think im a food addict. it sucks.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:31:55
Yeah I have the same issue. I have the motivation to lift and exercise but I can't seem to get a diet together and stick to the gameplan. Definitely a food addict -_-
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:33:50
Helped me a lot getting resources and stuff from :
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:36:23
Helped me a lot getting resources and stuff from :
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24


ah yes, i have that bookmarked from the other night!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: gliy on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:43:01
motivation.. that is my problem.

that and i think im a food addict. it sucks.

That sucks because losing weight is way more diet based then exercise based :(.
 Also in your post you mention wanting to get stronger but in you reason for doing this you mention 150 mile bike ride which would seem to imply focusing more on endurance then strength, so which one do you want more(they are obviously not mutually exclusive things but you should probably focus on one or the other)?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: calavera on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:44:26
Just give up. Life's easier that way.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:45:38
Hey buddy,

1-food (eat big bfast, medium lunch, lite dinner, cut sugars/fats and carbs unless you are burning the carbs IMMEDIATELY)
2-exercise (definitely don't overdo it, will get hurt/and it's not fun. Slow, steady, planned progression. It helps mentally as well)
3-goalz (you have a big goal, but it helps to have several intermediate goals to mark progression and feel empowered)
4-workout group/partner (time, place, structure, commitment. Girls are the best, for MANY reasons LOL)
5-variety (mix it up, make it fun, it's more than sweat, it's a lifestyle)

A combination of the above...don't go 100% in a different direction than you are...it can be too difficult and demotivating. Keep it fun/enjoyable.



Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:46:34
well, what kills me in my rides is climbing. on flat, i can keep a steady pace of 13-14mph which isnt great, but for how long i've been doing it i dont think it's that bad. but any slight incline and im left behind wanting to throw up.

so whichever covers that (be it strength in my legs or endurance) is what i want. i know losing the weight will help since i won't be moving that much more weight when i climb. but i guess for the ms150, since it's not exactly a race.. i just want the endurance to finish it.

Just give up. Life's easier that way.
you. i like you!

Hey buddy,

1-food (eat big bfast, medium lunch, lite dinner, cut sugars/fats and carbs unless you are burning the carbs IMMEDIATELY)
2-exercise (definitely don't overdo it, will get hurt/and it's not fun. Slow, steady, planned progression. It helps mentally as well)
3-goalz (you have a big goal, but it helps to have several intermediate goals to mark progression and feel empowered)
4-workout group/partner (time, place, structure, commitment. Girls are the best, for MANY reasons LOL)
5-variety (mix it up, make it fun, it's more than sweat, it's a lifestyle)

A combination of the above...don't go 100% in a different direction than you are...it can be too difficult and demotivating. Keep it fun/enjoyable.


1) this is the biggest problem, i know food is 80% of it.. but what the hell do i need to eat!!! i tried counting calories and it was just frustrating as hell.
2) i do mostly cardio as I dont want to exactly be bulk.. but just be fit.
3) ms150 is my goal right now!
4) i wish this could happen. but i dont have anybody to go with, and i get social anxiety at the gym (i usually go around 10pm when nobody is around)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: calavera on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:50:49
It's true, people who exercise living longer.

But that extra time is probably spent in the gym. ;)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:51:46
Extra weight is a big problem with activities, it makes the activities much harder and less enjoyable. Stairs are great because you don't beat yourself up jogging, but you are elevating your body weight which burns a lot of calories. Strength training is a great way to convert fat energy into muscle, so it's a great way to lose weight initially. One problem with endurance training early in your training is that it will increase your metabolism and increase your appetite. Perhaps start with strength training and evolve into more endurance as you trim your carcass down to a manageable size :)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Jocelyn on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:52:53
I only do light exercise, but I fast for 6-8 hours a day after I wake up. Try fasting; it's the quickest and best way imo :)

Check out this site even if you don't plan to lift - http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:53:25
It's true, people who exercise living longer.

But that extra time is probably spent in the gym. ;)

It's not about quantity of life, it's about QUALITY of life.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:54:16
Quote
Stairs are great because you don't beat yourself up jogging, but you are elevating your body weight which burns a lot of calories.

man, i can do 6 miles at the gym running.. half a mile of stairs and i feel like my heart is going to stop
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:54:25
Demmi-

Try different things and find what works for you.

I'd whip your butt into shape pretty damn fast!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Turbo Slaab on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:54:38
motivation.. that is my problem.

that and i think im a food addict. it sucks.

You don't want to complete the race? That should be motivation in itself. Working out is 90%+ mental. If your not into it, it will be hard to get results. You will subconsciously find easier ways to complete the workout.

What works for me and my food addiction is not taking away the food I love, just adding in healthier stuff to my diet. Eventually the healthy stuff will take over. Your body has trouble with cold turkey methods.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:57:02
motivation.. that is my problem.

that and i think im a food addict. it sucks.

You don't want to complete the race? That should be motivation in itself. Working out is 90%+ mental. If your not into it, it will be hard to get results. You will subconsciously find easier ways to complete the workout.

What works for me and my food addiction is not taking away the food I love, just adding in healthier stuff to my diet. Eventually the healthy stuff will take over. Your body has trouble with cold turkey methods.

yeah but then i get to the point (since i dont know how to cook) that im eating the same stuff over and over again.

Demmi-

Try different things and find what works for you.

I'd whip your butt into shape pretty damn fast!

yeah but trying stuff is expensive lol.

aside from my bike, the most fun i've had "working out" was doing muay thai.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 08 May 2013, 22:57:56
Don't get too worried about the distance of 150miles, especially if you have 5-6 months ahead of it yet. The MS150 or any of the rides like aren't like any sort of normal individual or group ride you've done. There will be a big break/rest stop every 15-25 miles with more food and crap than you can imagine. Find a group that rides at a similar speed to you and ride together as a group sharing the lead and you'll make it through. Your body will hurt like hell, but you'll get through it

If you want to lose weight and improve your cycling strength & endurance then LSD is what you need to-do on at least 2/3rd of your rides (assuming you are riding at least 3 days a week right now)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:00:12
Don't get too worried about the distance of 150miles, especially if you have 5-6 months ahead of it yet. The MS150 or any of the rides like aren't like any sort of normal individual or group ride you've done. There will be a big break/rest stop every 15-25 miles with more food and crap than you can imagine. Find a group that rides at a similar speed to you and ride together as a group sharing the lead and you'll make it through. Your body will hurt like hell, but you'll get through it

If you want to lose weight and improve your cycling strength & endurance then LSD is what you need to-do on at least 2/3rd of your rides (assuming you are riding at least 3 days a week right now)

sadly, im going solo. the one problem i have with group rides is, im either too slow or too fast. i have yet to find that one group that i ride similar to.

and, due to work (and my own laziness) i can only ride once a week (sundays, my day off) but hit the gym daily.

LSD?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:01:18
LSD...time to get a bike and start riding
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Jocelyn on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:02:11
LSD...time to get a bike and start riding

ROFL! I would think it would help one not eat as well. I cannot believe no one is mentioning fasting >.>
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:04:09
LSD...time to get a bike and start riding

ive been doing it wrong all this time!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:04:33

Demmi-

Try different things and find what works for you.

I'd whip your butt into shape pretty damn fast!

yeah but trying stuff is expensive lol.

aside from my bike, the most fun i've had "working out" was doing muay thai.

I just posted in another thread that when I was in Thailand I was a pro Muay Thai fan and that it's the most brutal sport I've ever witnessed.

Trying stuff doesn't have to be expensive...just start moving that's the key.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:04:38
LSD...time to get a bike and start riding

ROFL! I would think it would help one not eat as well. I cannot believe no one is mentioning fasting >.>

Fasting is ****. I don't need to eat for 12 hours regularly....but the meal after that just kills me. Much easier to eat smaller meals.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:06:27
motivation.. that is my problem.

that and i think im a food addict. it sucks.

You don't want to complete the race? That should be motivation in itself. Working out is 90%+ mental. If your not into it, it will be hard to get results. You will subconsciously find easier ways to complete the workout.

What works for me and my food addiction is not taking away the food I love, just adding in healthier stuff to my diet. Eventually the healthy stuff will take over. Your body has trouble with cold turkey methods.

yeah but then i get to the point (since i dont know how to cook) that im eating the same stuff over and over again.

Demmi-

Try different things and find what works for you.

I'd whip your butt into shape pretty damn fast!

yeah but trying stuff is expensive lol.

aside from my bike, the most fun i've had "working out" was doing muay thai.

I just posted in another thread that when I was in Thailand I was a pro Muay Thai fan and that it's the most brutal sport I've ever witnessed.

Trying stuff doesn't have to be expensive...just start moving that's the key.
BUT IT'S SO FUN. I got the crap kicked out of me once, and I had a huge smile on my bloody face. I miss going, but I had some financial troubles that made me stop going.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:12:09
Don't get too worried about the distance of 150miles, especially if you have 5-6 months ahead of it yet. The MS150 or any of the rides like aren't like any sort of normal individual or group ride you've done. There will be a big break/rest stop every 15-25 miles with more food and crap than you can imagine. Find a group that rides at a similar speed to you and ride together as a group sharing the lead and you'll make it through. Your body will hurt like hell, but you'll get through it

If you want to lose weight and improve your cycling strength & endurance then LSD is what you need to-do on at least 2/3rd of your rides (assuming you are riding at least 3 days a week right now)

sadly, im going solo. the one problem i have with group rides is, im either too slow or too fast. i have yet to find that one group that i ride similar to.

and, due to work (and my own laziness) i can only ride once a week (sundays, my day off) but hit the gym daily.

LSD?

try to find another one, maybe one slightly faster than you're used to that has a no drop rule. Find a club though, not a race team type of ride as they are very different. In MN we have biketcbc.org and doing a B or B/C type of ride sounds like a good fit and the nice thing about these sort of clubs is the no drop rule on these level of rides in case you blow up or have a mechanical.


Riding just once a week is going to make it a lot harder, no matter what you are doing on the other days. Can you do a spin class at the gym or put your bike on a trainer at home for other days? I know both options suck compared to riding for real, but its exactly what i'm doing right now.

LSD = Long Slow Distance. Now slow doesn't mean 8mph slow. It means at like 70-80% of your maximum. This sort of ride will help build a base and really help lose the weight. You don't need to kill yourself and not be able to walk to lose weight

LSD...time to get a bike and start riding

ROFL! I would think it would help one not eat as well. I cannot believe no one is mentioning fasting >.>


that is the opposite of like every fitness book's recommendation in my opinion
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Jocelyn on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:14:58
that is the opposite of like every fitness book's recommendation in my opinion

Of course it is. Think about the world we live in and who's buying those popular fitness books ;)

Humans in hunter/gatherer societies didn't eat when they first got up, they had to go run around and find food. Animals also eat way after they get up, so I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for us to do the same. Anyway, I stick by fasting because it works for me, but I do agree that it may not work for everyone. I just feel it's often overlooked. Most of my guy friends who do heavy lifting, go to the gym without anything in their stomach and they're the leanest people I know.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: JPG on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:21:52
Hi, I am far from an expert, and I am not in that good a shape myself (but working on it right now, I have a 23 km run of mix running and bike in 2 weeks lol), but here are the best recommendations I can give you based on my experience and knowledge:

1. Don't do a real diet  to lose weight. What you should do is only to eat healthy things as much as you can and cut the obvious sources of extremes fat/sugar (you know them, but basically fried stuff, rich sauces, meat with too much fat and things with a lot of sugar). BUT, eat pretty much as much as you want without exaggerating, and maybe try to lower that amount a little but do not get hungry. If you are hungry, try to fill yourself with vegetables and fruits (fresh/raw if possible). Anyway, if you want to lose weight on a 5 months objective, the best is to go slowly, else it's bad for your body. The best way to do that is to cook yourself, eat as much fruit and vegetables as you can and do the obvious. For example, I replaced most of the red meat I eat with horse meat because it's much healthier. You can also try to eat more rice, quinoa, etc., they taste good if cooked well! Also, after a training, drink a small chocolate milk (just after). It gives back to your body some sugar and proteins. There are other stuff that can do the job, but chocolate milk is easy to find and a good one. You should drink it max 15 min after a workout.

2. Train everyday or almost if you can. In the end, the more you train the easier it gets. It's all in our head that it is difficult, not on the body (well maybe a  little for the first week). I KNOW that it is hard to get motivated to the point to actually do it, but the best way that I found to train on a regular basis is to simply make it a routine and force yourself to keep it a routine. Force yourself at the beginning, then set yourself objectives and force yourself to achieve these objectives. Like I said, it's all in the head since you will find quite fast that at the end of a training you feel quite great. If I was you, I would use this MS150 as your main focus and force yourself to slightly increase your training everyday (I started with only 20 minutes of stationary bike and now I do more than an hour, after a few weeks, and I had harder weeks). Perseverance is the key.

3. If you want to train your muscles to be good at something, the best way is to do that something. So basically, if you want to be good at climbing with you bike, well climb with your bike as often as you can. The reason is quite simple: You body will develop your muscles in response to their usage AND you will also develop your nerves in an optimistic way for the movements you do and THAT is more important than your muscle mass. Ever seen a culturist swimming? It would be too funny  :p. For sure you could also do some gym training to complement your bike training and help develop your muscle, but I would focus first on training with you bike and train in a gym as a complement if you want it.

Hoping it will help you! Good luck with this MS150!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:25:39
that is the opposite of like every fitness book's recommendation in my opinion

Of course it is. Think about the world we live in and who's buying those popular fitness books ;)
yea I agree with your comment there about who's buying most of those books and them being worthless.


I'm just saying that specifically relating to the cycling & weight loss goals demik has, that especially on ride day or day after, that fasting would be a bad idea and negatively impact his goals.
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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:33:18
Don't get too worried about the distance of 150miles, especially if you have 5-6 months ahead of it yet. The MS150 or any of the rides like aren't like any sort of normal individual or group ride you've done. There will be a big break/rest stop every 15-25 miles with more food and crap than you can imagine. Find a group that rides at a similar speed to you and ride together as a group sharing the lead and you'll make it through. Your body will hurt like hell, but you'll get through it

If you want to lose weight and improve your cycling strength & endurance then LSD is what you need to-do on at least 2/3rd of your rides (assuming you are riding at least 3 days a week right now)

sadly, im going solo. the one problem i have with group rides is, im either too slow or too fast. i have yet to find that one group that i ride similar to.

and, due to work (and my own laziness) i can only ride once a week (sundays, my day off) but hit the gym daily.

LSD?

try to find another one, maybe one slightly faster than you're used to that has a no drop rule. Find a club though, not a race team type of ride as they are very different. In MN we have biketcbc.org and doing a B or B/C type of ride sounds like a good fit and the nice thing about these sort of clubs is the no drop rule on these level of rides in case you blow up or have a mechanical.


Riding just once a week is going to make it a lot harder, no matter what you are doing on the other days. Can you do a spin class at the gym or put your bike on a trainer at home for other days? I know both options suck compared to riding for real, but its exactly what i'm doing right now.

LSD = Long Slow Distance. Now slow doesn't mean 8mph slow. It means at like 70-80% of your maximum. This sort of ride will help build a base and really help lose the weight. You don't need to kill yourself and not be able to walk to lose weight

LSD...time to get a bike and start riding

ROFL! I would think it would help one not eat as well. I cannot believe no one is mentioning fasting >.>


that is the opposite of like every fitness book's recommendation in my opinion


im in a club (velo pasadena FO LIFE!) but.. everybody is a ton faster than me lol. LSD is pretty much what im doing right now. i try to add 5-6 miles more from my previous rides. and again, due to my work schedule i can't do a ton of crap since most spin classes are early in the morning and i tend to hit the gym at 9-10pm. a trainer could work.. if i had the cash to buy one. i guess ill just have to stop making excuses for myself and ride as soon as i get out of work, no matter where im at.

thanks jpg!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: SmallFry on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:50:22
I know this sounds cheeky, but contact local universities and high schools. A lot of them have free trainers to the community if you ask, worst they can say is no. Personally, I consume a LOT of food and don't work for it to come off, but I'm sure that will change.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 08 May 2013, 23:52:39
^^^ good post by JPG

If you're able to add 5-6miles more distance from each previous ride, then you likely aren't going hard/fast enough to begin with.

you are right that bike trainers are expensive. Maybe try to find a used kurt kinetic fluid trainer locally, or borrow one from another club member who wouldn't be using it in the summer time. Try to avoid a magnetic or wind one as they almost all suck
I have a 10-12 year old one of this model and it still works perfectly to this day (just used it tonight)
http://www.kurtkinetic.com/road-machine-p-198-l-en.html
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:02:48
Ok, STOP the un-realism NOW... losing 5lbs per month is like... Getting diabetes... or Dieing of some serious disease... like the plague


You should slowly lose weight at 2lbs per month... This way, you will not burn muscle, and will instead be gaining muscle..


I also do not recommending bike riding or any form of exercise that requires significant investment in "TIME"


Sooner or later you'll get bored, and there is then a larger chance you'll say Fvkk it, and turn towards the path of the pudge again..



Losing weight and reshaping is about changing your relationship with food,  balancing your life to suit "MODERNITY", and to not be held by and actively reassess deep seated conventions.


First, relationship with food..   You put it in the mouth because it makes you live. Devoid all emotional attachment.. Yes each time you eat something, you might remember your loving mother cooking it for you... That is a wonderful sentiment, however, if you mother made you cake and cookies all the time, and you're gigantic,, you can see how something like emotion is KILLING YOU..


Balancing Life with Modernity...   Let's face it, we sit ALL DAY, we HAVE TO,  it's more EFFICIENT, this is just how it must be..  How much exercise and nourishment do we really "NEED" to be in sync with this neo-century...   I am 132lbs, I eat ~1700 calories each day, exercise for 30mins  3x a week... THAT"S it,   every other moment is spent in a wheeled computer chair.... :D


Deep Seated Conventions...   3 meals a day... doesn't make any sense... if you feel hungry... EAT... if you're not hungry and see a cup-cake, DO NOT EAT IT.... no matter how much it "calls to you"...    3 meals a day was created to balance a lifestyle that required hard-physical labor..  This is not our lifestyle.. and our feeding schedule should change to reflect that...   

^^ this is just one example of food conventions that may need to be modified to "fit your lifestyle"
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:10:00
i enjoy cycling, why would i get bored of it? it takes my mind off a ton of stuff and i get to see different places every time i go out.

if anything, the only thing that bores me is going to the gym.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:12:55
i enjoy cycling, why would i get bored of it? it takes my mind off a ton of stuff and i get to see different places every time i go out.

if anything, the only thing that bores me is going to the gym.

You will get bored, because it is too time consuming for modernity, violating my rule 2.. BALANCE.. ^^ i've modified my post above

You have alot of **** to do, and there are many many more exciting prospects...  Exercise for the sake of exercise is just plain stupid.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:14:57
you must have missed the part where i said i enjoy it because it clears my mind.

it's only until now that i've really looked at it as exercise.. and that's only because i want to finish the ms150.

the one thing i agree with u is changing my relationship with food.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: JPG on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:15:22
Ok, STOP the un-realism NOW... losing 5lbs per month is like... Getting diabetes... or Dieing of some serious disease... like the plague


You should slowly lose weight at 2lbs per month... This way, you will not burn muscle, and will instead be gaining muscle..


I also do not recommending bike riding or any form of exercise that requires significant investment in "TIME"


Sooner or later you'll get bored, and there is then a larger chance you'll say Fvkk it, and turn towards the path of the pudge again..

I agree that losing too much weight too fast is bad. I am no expert, so I don't know what is "too much", but if you eat well and lose weight by training you should be fine.

I disagree with the TIME thing. In my opinion, the most important thing is to do something YOU LIKE. That way, you will keep doing it. I don't know the weather where Demik lives, but if it's nice most of the year, why not go outside for a ride when he can? First, once you're outside on your bike your gone for your ride. You WILL have the motivation to continue. The hard part is to start, not to continue. Also, running/riding is MUCH harder in real conditions, so it's good to do that as much as you can. Doing it inside is still a very good option and WAY better than not doing it.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:16:24
Ok, STOP the un-realism NOW... losing 5lbs per month is like... Getting diabetes... or Dieing of some serious disease... like the plague


You should slowly lose weight at 2lbs per month... This way, you will not burn muscle, and will instead be gaining muscle..


I also do not recommending bike riding or any form of exercise that requires significant investment in "TIME"


Sooner or later you'll get bored, and there is then a larger chance you'll say Fvkk it, and turn towards the path of the pudge again..

I agree that losing too much weight too fast is bad. I am no expert, so I don't know what is "too much", but if you eat well and lose weight by training you should be fine.

I disagree with the TIME thing. In my opinion, the most important thing is to do something YOU LIKE. That way, you will keep doing it. I don't know the weather where Demik lives, but if it's nice most of the year, why not go outside for a ride when he can? First, once you're outside on your bike your gone for your ride. You WILL have the motivation to continue. The hard part is to start, not to continue. Also, running/riding is MUCH harder in real conditions, so it's good to do that as much as you can. Doing it inside is still a very good option and WAY better than not doing it.
im in los angeles, so yeah, 90% of the time it's nice weather.

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:16:42
Look at biking "This way"

Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet

Rig bike

Take bike outside

Get on bike

Ride bike

Ride bike back

Put bike back

Rinse water bottle

Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry


Your Brain implicitly calculates all the " FUN " you have biking and weighs it against the Cost...  EVENTUALLY, you will feel the irk that the cost is NOT worth the  " FUN " once the novelty wears off. 

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:18:04
Look at biking "This way"

Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet

Rig bike

Take bike outside

Get on bike

Ride bike

Ride bike back

Put bike back

Rinse water bottle

Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry




i look at biking this way.

"getting out of the house and enjoying myself and what's ahead"

what you said is how i see the gym. as just a routine.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:19:11
Look at biking "This way"

Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet

Rig bike

Take bike outside

Get on bike

Ride bike

Ride bike back

Put bike back

Rinse water bottle

Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry




i look at biking this way.

"getting out of the house and enjoying myself and what's ahead"

what you said is how i see the gym. as just a routine.

Your Brain implicitly calculates all the " FUN " you have biking and weighs it against the Cost...  EVENTUALLY, you will feel the irk that the cost is NOT worth the  " FUN " once the novelty wears off. 

HOw you see it now is not a predictor of how you'll see it in the future.. HOWEVER the COSTS to the event will predict how you see it..
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: JPG on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:19:22
Look at biking "This way"

Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet

Rig bike

Take bike outside

Get on bike

Ride bike

Ride bike back

Put bike back

Rinse water bottle

Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry

TP4, I think your next step should be to write a song about training, film yourself singing it, and share it with us so we can have a good time.  :p
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:20:52
Look at biking "This way"

Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet

Rig bike

Take bike outside

Get on bike

Ride bike

Ride bike back

Put bike back

Rinse water bottle

Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry




i look at biking this way.

"getting out of the house and enjoying myself and what's ahead"

what you said is how i see the gym. as just a routine.

Your Brain implicitly calculates all the " FUN " you have biking and weighs it against the Cost...  EVENTUALLY, you will feel the irk that the cost is NOT worth the  " FUN " once the novelty wears off. 

HOw you see it now is not a predictor of how you'll see it in the future.. HOWEVER the COSTS to the event will predict how you see it..

What the eff are you doing?

The man is asking for help to complete a significant goal and you're trying to tell him all the reasons he shouldn't?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:21:21
Look at biking "This way"

Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet

Rig bike

Take bike outside

Get on bike

Ride bike

Ride bike back

Put bike back

Rinse water bottle

Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry




i look at biking this way.

"getting out of the house and enjoying myself and what's ahead"

what you said is how i see the gym. as just a routine.

Your Brain implicitly calculates all the " FUN " you have biking and weighs it against the Cost...  EVENTUALLY, you will feel the irk that the cost is NOT worth the  " FUN " once the novelty wears off. 

HOw you see it now is not a predictor of how you'll see it in the future.. HOWEVER the COSTS to the event will predict how you see it..

so, i should stop riding because i might, one day, in the far future, maybe... not like it anymore?

why even get out of the house then with that mentality?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:22:23
Look at biking "This way"

Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet

Rig bike

Take bike outside

Get on bike

Ride bike

Ride bike back

Put bike back

Rinse water bottle

Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry

TP4, I think your next step should be to write a song about training, film yourself singing it, and share it with us so we can have a good time.  :p

Below is what my body looks like... that is 3x 30min workout per week , THE END.... 

Remember the results is the only thing that matters. as it is the ONLY thing you'll see... your so called "Journey" will always in your mind be calculated as COST.... and if you don't REDUCE that cost to balance with your RESULTS, your mind will say, Fvk you, and you'll give up

(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx237/tp4tissue/IMG_1015.jpg)
(http://i759.photobucket.com/albums/xx237/tp4tissue/Yup.jpg)

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: SmallFry on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:22:35
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:24:17
  You have posted a picture of your face on the forum while clothed, but when the nipples come out, you get shy and obfuscate it?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:24:50
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:25:19
  You have posted a picture of your face on the forum while clothed, but when the nipples come out, you get shy and obfuscate it?

No these are old pictures from a couple years ago.. when I was in college, and could get beat up by rivals..  :))
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: JPG on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:29:35
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:30:44
Demmi-

You know biking is awesome, I have no idea why someone would tell you to not do something you like. I used to do century rides with a buddy, and routinely biked 375 miles weekly here on the California coast. It's unbeatable as you know. Don't get sidetracked buddy, no matter what you do/don't do...you won't lose anything but some unwanted weight.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:32:24
Demmi-

You know biking is awesome, I have no idea why someone would tell you to not do something you like. I used to do century rides with a buddy, and routinely biked 375 miles weekly here on the California coast. It's unbeatable as you know. Don't get sidetracked buddy, no matter what you do/don't do...you won't lose anything but some unwanted weight.

oh trust me, i take what tp says with a grain of salt. as i told him, the only thing i agree with is the food relationship, because with that he's 100% correct. but i just dont like his "im right because it worked for me" attitude. 3x30 worked for him? fine. that's good for him.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:34:31
I don't read tp's posts so I don't know, I was just reacting to someone's 'tp-counter post'  and extrapolating :)

You'll do fine buddy.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:35:13
ty sir, i can always count on you!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:35:49
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

mod edit: user was warned for this post
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: okooko on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:37:01
Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:37:15
D-
I'll be in Santa Barbara during Memorial weekend (Sat/Sun) if you are near, hit me up!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:38:58
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:39:59
Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.

JUST -ENOUGH  is the key here..

Because Everytime you move a muscle, your biology asks the question.. WHY DID you move that muscle, and can you achieve your goal WITHOUT having moved at all..

Corner case question.. If I gave you a pill, and you'll look like Schwarzenegger with ZERO - gym time... would you take it?? Of course you would... WHY...... ??

IF you fight with your biology on this question.. EVENTUALLY you will lose... because biology is the rules for life you can not supersede with any amount of conviction..

You cannot forever delude yourself into thinking Exercise is fun... THIS ALWAYS FAILS..... ALWAYS...
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:45:35
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.

Demik.. Your current mentality is why Bigger people stay Big....   And many who subscribe to your easy-going philosophies will fail and contribute further to rising health care costs...

I don't claim to know it all... but as far as how to be REALLY LAZY and still be FIT, that is my domain...


Just to clarify, I am not passionate about "WORKING OUT"

I am passionate about how to "NOT workout, sit in a computer chair, and still have abs"
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:48:01
no, actually, you do claim to know it all. every post you make is just so belittling everybody's opinion if it goes against what you think is right.

easy going philosophies? what the **** are you talking about. you're the one sitting here telling me to be lazy when im actually trying to be the opposite.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:49:18
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.

Demik.. Your current mentality is why Bigger people stay Big....   And many who subscribe to your easy-going philosophies will fail and contribute further to rising health care costs...

I don't claim to know it all... but as far as how to be REALLY LAZY and still be FIT, that is my domain...

And surprise!  He's not asking how to do that!  Gasp, we've found something else you don't know all about, reading comprehension.

Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.

JUST -ENOUGH  is the key here..

Because Everytime you move a muscle, your biology asks the question.. WHY DID you move that muscle, and can you achieve your goal WITHOUT having moved at all..

IF you fight with your biology on this question.. EVENTUALLY you will lose... because biology is the rules for life you can not supersede with any amount of conviction..

You cannot forever delude yourself into thinking Exercise is fun... THIS ALWAYS FAILS..... ALWAYS...

Except that it is.

Because being able to run just a little bit further or a little bit faster than last week is fun.

Being able to slide another plate on the bar for a lift is fun.

Being able to stretch or flex a random way and see ancillary muscle pop that didn't pop two weeks ago is fun.

Please take your negative ignorance elsewhere, kthx.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:50:52
no, actually, you do claim to know it all. every post you make is just so belittling everybody's opinion if it goes against what you think is right.

easy going philosophies? what the **** are you talking about. you're the one sitting here telling me to be lazy when im actually trying to be the opposite.

I'm not telling you to BE LAZY... YOU ARE LAZY...... as human beings, as an animal, it is in our primary biological directive to conserve energy while maximizing "perceived output"

You can't be anything BUT LAZY.. that is as much as you can be.... Laziness has been the driving force of humanity's greatest creations...

Automobiles, computer assisted mathematics, POWER TOOLS.....  MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS.....
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: JPG on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:53:26
Demmi-

You know biking is awesome, I have no idea why someone would tell you to not do something you like. I used to do century rides with a buddy, and routinely biked 375 miles weekly here on the California coast. It's unbeatable as you know. Don't get sidetracked buddy, no matter what you do/don't do...you won't lose anything but some unwanted weight.

oh trust me, i take what tp says with a grain of salt. as i told him, the only thing i agree with is the food relationship, because with that he's 100% correct. but i just dont like his "im right because it worked for me" attitude. 3x30 worked for him? fine. that's good for him.

That grain of salt?

[attachimg=1]

In fact, no grain of salt is big enough for TP4  :))
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:53:32
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.

Demik.. Your current mentality is why Bigger people stay Big....   And many who subscribe to your easy-going philosophies will fail and contribute further to rising health care costs...

I don't claim to know it all... but as far as how to be REALLY LAZY and still be FIT, that is my domain...

And surprise!  He's not asking how to do that!  Gasp, we've found something else you don't know all about, reading comprehension.

Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.

JUST -ENOUGH  is the key here..

Because Everytime you move a muscle, your biology asks the question.. WHY DID you move that muscle, and can you achieve your goal WITHOUT having moved at all..

IF you fight with your biology on this question.. EVENTUALLY you will lose... because biology is the rules for life you can not supersede with any amount of conviction..

You cannot forever delude yourself into thinking Exercise is fun... THIS ALWAYS FAILS..... ALWAYS...

Except that it is.

Because being able to run just a little bit further or a little bit faster than last week is fun.

Being able to slide another plate on the bar for a lift is fun.

Being able to stretch or flex a random way and see ancillary muscle pop that didn't pop two weeks ago is fun.

Please take your negative ignorance elsewhere, kthx.

My negative ignorance...

You are the one in this thread with absolutely nothing to contribute about physical fitness !!!

We've seen your picture tjcaustin... you actually need to read more of this thread than comment on it.

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 00:56:33
And TJ... Demik did not use the term LAZY... he asked about dieting, gym, training...

These are question to MINIMIZE expenditure and MAXIMIZE gains....   LAZY is the very essence of every optimization problem.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:03:18
mod edit: user was warned for this post

And TJ... Demik did not use the term LAZY... he asked about dieting, gym, training...

These are question to MINIMIZE expenditure and MAXIMIZE gains....   LAZY is the very essence of every optimization problem.

Ok, what the hell, I've never been muted before so here goes.

First, you stupid mother****er, because my shoulders are wide and I'm tall doesn't mean I'm fat.  I know it's hard for your squinty ass, misogynistic mind to comprehend, but it's true, my bones aren't the same as your's.

Second, it's not about being lazy, and there were no questions about whatever the entire **** you're going on about.

Third, all of this:  Goddamn it, you are the stupidest person I waste my time talking to.

no, actually, you do claim to know it all. every post you make is just so belittling everybody's opinion if it goes against what you think is right.

easy going philosophies? what the **** are you talking about. you're the one sitting here telling me to be lazy when im actually trying to be the opposite.

I'm not telling you to BE LAZY... YOU ARE LAZY...... as human beings as an animal, it is in our primary biological initiative to conserve energy while maximizing "perceived output"

You can't be anything BUT LAZY.. that is as much as you can be.... Laziness has been the driving force of humanity's greatest creations...

Automobiles, computer assisted mathematics, POWER TOOLS.....

Shut up

Shut UP

SHUT UP

Holy ****, stop acting like how you live is how I, or anyone else, lives, dip****.

Again, the man as asked "I want to do this as a major life event, please help me do it, I know it will be hard, but I still want to try" and you're telling him to not even try because that's the lazy way.

Here's a list of what I expect your day consists of:
Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet (this is super important, and I think you forget this a lot of the time)

Turn on computer

Open web browser

Troll forums

Respond to people with more trolling, ignorance and double talk

Do it again

Close web browser

Turn off computer


Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry

Seriously, all that work, how do you still get out of bed?


Moron.  **** you.

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:06:55
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.

Demik.. Your current mentality is why Bigger people stay Big....   And many who subscribe to your easy-going philosophies will fail and contribute further to rising health care costs...

I don't claim to know it all... but as far as how to be REALLY LAZY and still be FIT, that is my domain...

And surprise!  He's not asking how to do that!  Gasp, we've found something else you don't know all about, reading comprehension.

Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.

JUST -ENOUGH  is the key here..

Because Everytime you move a muscle, your biology asks the question.. WHY DID you move that muscle, and can you achieve your goal WITHOUT having moved at all..

IF you fight with your biology on this question.. EVENTUALLY you will lose... because biology is the rules for life you can not supersede with any amount of conviction..

You cannot forever delude yourself into thinking Exercise is fun... THIS ALWAYS FAILS..... ALWAYS...

Except that it is.

Because being able to run just a little bit further or a little bit faster than last week is fun.

Being able to slide another plate on the bar for a lift is fun.

Being able to stretch or flex a random way and see ancillary muscle pop that didn't pop two weeks ago is fun.

Please take your negative ignorance elsewhere, kthx.

My negative ignorance...

You are the one in this thread with absolutely nothing to contribute about physical fitness !!!

We've seen your picture tjcaustin... you actually need to read more of this thread than comment on it.

And more ignorance.

How *dare* you try to denigrate me because I'm taller and have wider shoulders than you?  You are a tiny child of a man that I'm sure thinks he gets a fantastic burn from the machines in the gym and doesn't need to use those big ol' weights.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:09:49
mod edit: user was warned for this post

And TJ... Demik did not use the term LAZY... he asked about dieting, gym, training...

These are question to MINIMIZE expenditure and MAXIMIZE gains....   LAZY is the very essence of every optimization problem.

Ok, what the hell, I've never been muted before so here goes.

First, you stupid mother****er, because my shoulders are wide and I'm tall doesn't mean I'm fat.  I know it's hard for your squinty ass, misogynistic mind to comprehend, but it's true, my bones aren't the same as your's.

Second, it's not about being lazy, and there were no questions about whatever the entire **** you're going on about.

Third, all of this:  Goddamn it, you are the stupidest person I waste my time talking to.

no, actually, you do claim to know it all. every post you make is just so belittling everybody's opinion if it goes against what you think is right.

easy going philosophies? what the **** are you talking about. you're the one sitting here telling me to be lazy when im actually trying to be the opposite.

I'm not telling you to BE LAZY... YOU ARE LAZY...... as human beings as an animal, it is in our primary biological initiative to conserve energy while maximizing "perceived output"

You can't be anything BUT LAZY.. that is as much as you can be.... Laziness has been the driving force of humanity's greatest creations...

Automobiles, computer assisted mathematics, POWER TOOLS.....

Shut up

Shut UP

SHUT UP

Holy ****, stop acting like how you live is how I, or anyone else, lives, dip****.

Again, the man as asked "I want to do this as a major life event, please help me do it, I know it will be hard, but I still want to try" and you're telling him to not even try because that's the lazy way.

Here's a list of what I expect your day consists of:
Put on pants

Put on shirt

Put on Helmet (this is super important, and I think you forget this a lot of the time)

Turn on computer

Open web browser

Troll forums

Respond to people with more trolling, ignorance and double talk

Do it again

Close web browser

Turn off computer


Take cloths off

Shower

Put cloths in laundry

Seriously, all that work, how do you still get out of bed?


Moron.  **** you.



Wow, LOL you're really mad that I pseudo called you fat... what's up with that... why are you so defensive all of a sudden.

Also, My computer is sandybridge very low idle state, 30watts when I'm on the internet.. I rarely turn it off.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:09:55
Also, you ugly little hateful troll, you want to talk about "helping" versus not

Helped me a lot getting resources and stuff from :
http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/forumdisplay.php?f=24

How about you ****ing see that I'm the first person that thought to put a resource out there that he could use and reach out to a support network of people that have been and are in his situation.

Goddamn it.  I don't hate much of anyone, but I hate you.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:10:45
Enough, guys.  tp and tj have both been issued warnings for this back-and-forth.  Let's keep discussion civil.

tp, we go through this **** with you way too often.  Stop posting gibberish.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:12:15
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.

Demik.. Your current mentality is why Bigger people stay Big....   And many who subscribe to your easy-going philosophies will fail and contribute further to rising health care costs...

I don't claim to know it all... but as far as how to be REALLY LAZY and still be FIT, that is my domain...

And surprise!  He's not asking how to do that!  Gasp, we've found something else you don't know all about, reading comprehension.

Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.

JUST -ENOUGH  is the key here..

Because Everytime you move a muscle, your biology asks the question.. WHY DID you move that muscle, and can you achieve your goal WITHOUT having moved at all..

IF you fight with your biology on this question.. EVENTUALLY you will lose... because biology is the rules for life you can not supersede with any amount of conviction..

You cannot forever delude yourself into thinking Exercise is fun... THIS ALWAYS FAILS..... ALWAYS...

Except that it is.

Because being able to run just a little bit further or a little bit faster than last week is fun.

Being able to slide another plate on the bar for a lift is fun.

Being able to stretch or flex a random way and see ancillary muscle pop that didn't pop two weeks ago is fun.

Please take your negative ignorance elsewhere, kthx.

My negative ignorance...

You are the one in this thread with absolutely nothing to contribute about physical fitness !!!

We've seen your picture tjcaustin... you actually need to read more of this thread than comment on it.

And more ignorance.

How *dare* you try to denigrate me because I'm taller and have wider shoulders than you?  You are a tiny child of a man that I'm sure thinks he gets a fantastic burn from the machines in the gym and doesn't need to use those big ol' weights.

I hate the gym. I never go to the gym.. I also don't lift much ... that's my point..

wider shoulders.. ok.. i didn't say anything about your shoulders. I just alluded to the fact that you're pudgy and could use some training advice.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:14:08
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.

Demik.. Your current mentality is why Bigger people stay Big....   And many who subscribe to your easy-going philosophies will fail and contribute further to rising health care costs...

I don't claim to know it all... but as far as how to be REALLY LAZY and still be FIT, that is my domain...

And surprise!  He's not asking how to do that!  Gasp, we've found something else you don't know all about, reading comprehension.

Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.

JUST -ENOUGH  is the key here..

Because Everytime you move a muscle, your biology asks the question.. WHY DID you move that muscle, and can you achieve your goal WITHOUT having moved at all..

IF you fight with your biology on this question.. EVENTUALLY you will lose... because biology is the rules for life you can not supersede with any amount of conviction..

You cannot forever delude yourself into thinking Exercise is fun... THIS ALWAYS FAILS..... ALWAYS...

Except that it is.

Because being able to run just a little bit further or a little bit faster than last week is fun.

Being able to slide another plate on the bar for a lift is fun.

Being able to stretch or flex a random way and see ancillary muscle pop that didn't pop two weeks ago is fun.

Please take your negative ignorance elsewhere, kthx.

My negative ignorance...

You are the one in this thread with absolutely nothing to contribute about physical fitness !!!

We've seen your picture tjcaustin... you actually need to read more of this thread than comment on it.

And more ignorance.

How *dare* you try to denigrate me because I'm taller and have wider shoulders than you?  You are a tiny child of a man that I'm sure thinks he gets a fantastic burn from the machines in the gym and doesn't need to use those big ol' weights.

I hate the gym. I never go to the gym.. I also don't lift much ... that's my point..

wider shoulders.. ok.. i didn't say anything about your shoulders. I just alluded to the fact that you're pudgy and could use some training advice.

And I directly said that you're wrong, ignorant and should shut up.  Here we are.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:14:55
Enough, guys.  tp and tj have both been issued warnings for this back-and-forth.  Let's keep discussion civil.

tp, we go through this **** with you way too often.  Stop posting gibberish.

Yo hazbaz wtf man...

TJ clearly comes in here to troll me... I placate the situation with real sense.. and he goes and nerd-rages because I said he looked a little pudgy from the photo he's posted..

Hell if I'm so wrong about that, why doesn't he just post another picture. and I'll take it back.. I got no problem with retracting a statement about TJ being a little pudgy..

I am not the one instigating the belligerence.. HE IS..

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:17:17
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.

Demik.. Your current mentality is why Bigger people stay Big....   And many who subscribe to your easy-going philosophies will fail and contribute further to rising health care costs...

I don't claim to know it all... but as far as how to be REALLY LAZY and still be FIT, that is my domain...

And surprise!  He's not asking how to do that!  Gasp, we've found something else you don't know all about, reading comprehension.

Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.

JUST -ENOUGH  is the key here..

Because Everytime you move a muscle, your biology asks the question.. WHY DID you move that muscle, and can you achieve your goal WITHOUT having moved at all..

IF you fight with your biology on this question.. EVENTUALLY you will lose... because biology is the rules for life you can not supersede with any amount of conviction..

You cannot forever delude yourself into thinking Exercise is fun... THIS ALWAYS FAILS..... ALWAYS...

Except that it is.

Because being able to run just a little bit further or a little bit faster than last week is fun.

Being able to slide another plate on the bar for a lift is fun.

Being able to stretch or flex a random way and see ancillary muscle pop that didn't pop two weeks ago is fun.

Please take your negative ignorance elsewhere, kthx.

My negative ignorance...

You are the one in this thread with absolutely nothing to contribute about physical fitness !!!

We've seen your picture tjcaustin... you actually need to read more of this thread than comment on it.

And more ignorance.

How *dare* you try to denigrate me because I'm taller and have wider shoulders than you?  You are a tiny child of a man that I'm sure thinks he gets a fantastic burn from the machines in the gym and doesn't need to use those big ol' weights.

I hate the gym. I never go to the gym.. I also don't lift much ... that's my point..

wider shoulders.. ok.. i didn't say anything about your shoulders. I just alluded to the fact that you're pudgy and could use some training advice.

And I directly said that you're wrong, ignorant and should shut up.  Here we are.

What exactly am I wrong about?

I have the end result of good work-out sense.. that being some definition, and a little bit of mass around the shoulder

What are YOU claiming... exactly.. that people should spend an inordinate amount of time to achieve what?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: hashbaz on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:17:58
You have been trolling from page one sir.  Demik asked a simple question and you spin off in a hundred directions about biology and laziness, then get in a spat with tj.  Enough.  I'm done with you.

edit: I also warned tj.  But he does not have the history that you do with trolling and stirring up belligerence.  You have been warned many, many times.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: lazerpointer on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:20:25
explain it... nice and simple. if you have recipes or full meal plans that'd be AWESOME.

Losing weight is simple - don't overdo it with salty, or preservative-rich foods - stick to meat and fiber for the most part. A Snickers bar is 200 calories, and it takes 20 minutes of running to grind that down, at least that's what the treadmill computer generally tells me ;)

I am currently working on stamina (just signt up for 24 Hour, I need to get that feeling of infinite runningness I once had..)

What I do is hit the treadmill. There's a few quick options...

1 - run for 20 minutes, then work on muscle building. This varies per person depending on what muscles you wanna build!

2 - like I'm currently doing, set an ambitious goal like 30 - 40 minutes of running, and make it interval with inclines if your treadmill has that capability... helps with burning calories. When you know you need to catch your breath, slow it down to a "resting speed" which is like a power walk, and then when you've caught your breath (don't be a baby! push yourself, or you won't gain...) pick it up to a good 5.5 to 6 MPH or "working speed" --- You should be very sweaty and basically dying by the end of your run. Having OCD problems like myself tends to help with this, as you can get insane about this kind of stuff.  ;D

3 - good alternatives are;

the stair master (good for burning calories - it kicks your ass. It's the stairway from hell - just never ends!)

spinning (bike emulation - doesn't hit your core as much as running does IMO, so don't get too comfy here..)

swimming! not into it myself.... lol.


Edit;
oh wow. Lol.... meh
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:21:07

welp, i guess that's that. thanks to everybody that posted. really appreciate your help.

i'll try my hardest and will finish the ms150. whether it takes me 7 hours, or 20 hours. but i'll cross that finish line.

explain it... nice and simple. if you have recipes or full meal plans that'd be AWESOME.

Losing weight is simple - don't overdo it with salty, or preservative-rich foods - stick to meat and fiber for the most part. A Snickers bar is 200 calories, and it takes 20 minutes of running to grind that down, at least that's what the treadmill computer generally tells me ;)

I am currently working on stamina (just signt up for 24 Hour, I need to get that feeling of infinite runningness I once had..)

What I do is hit the treadmill. There's a few quick options...

1 - run for 20 minutes, then work on muscle building. This varies per person depending on what muscles you wanna build!

2 - like I'm currently doing, set an ambitious goal like 30 - 40 minutes of running, and make it interval with inclines if your treadmill has that capability... helps with burning calories. When you know you need to catch your breath, slow it down to a "resting speed" which is like a power walk, and then when you've caught your breath (don't be a baby! push yourself, or you won't gain...) pick it up to a good 5.5 to 6 MPH or "working speed" --- You should be very sweaty and basically dying by the end of your run. Having OCD problems like myself tends to help with this, as you can get insane about this kind of stuff.  ;D

3 - good alternatives are;

the stair master (good for burning calories - it kicks your ass. It's the stairway from hell - just never ends!)

spinning (bike emulation - doesn't hit your core as much as running does IMO, so don't get too comfy here..)

swimming! not into it myself.... lol.


im a 24 hrs member too! no swimming for me... as i dont know how >.<
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 01:23:10
By that logic, TP4 never leaves his house because things could get boring, hence his persistent trolling. :))

That's not what i'm trying to convey..

I'm an trying to point out that people who put in SIGNIFICANT investment of time into their bodies eventually HAVE to give it up, because it will become inconsistent with retained benefits...

I maintain my body with the LEAST necessary input of time...

Well, maybe that's your goal, but that's not EVERYONE's goal ... some of us like to do things because they are fun and have the chance to do things that get us in shape at the same time. And even want to improve, just for the pleasure of the challenge.

^^^ This is Wrong

Life is a game to impress the opposite sex.. Most things such as physical prowess and appearance are DIRECT extensions of this BIOLOGICAL RULE..


I   " don't "   believe you   " can't "   go BEYOND it...   I JUST HIGHLY DOUBT.... that ANY OF US... who do not already have 6 kids through college are beyond it.

....

seriously, shut up.

Demik.. Your current mentality is why Bigger people stay Big....   And many who subscribe to your easy-going philosophies will fail and contribute further to rising health care costs...

I don't claim to know it all... but as far as how to be REALLY LAZY and still be FIT, that is my domain...

And surprise!  He's not asking how to do that!  Gasp, we've found something else you don't know all about, reading comprehension.

Consistency and motivation seem to be the main issues for me also.

Even a few 30min workouts as suggested above will  be great even after a few weeks for overall fitness as I understand that not all people that train need to get shredded to slay beeches.

I like to run, weights are not incoroprated too heavily into my routine.

JUST -ENOUGH  is the key here..

Because Everytime you move a muscle, your biology asks the question.. WHY DID you move that muscle, and can you achieve your goal WITHOUT having moved at all..

IF you fight with your biology on this question.. EVENTUALLY you will lose... because biology is the rules for life you can not supersede with any amount of conviction..

You cannot forever delude yourself into thinking Exercise is fun... THIS ALWAYS FAILS..... ALWAYS...

Except that it is.

Because being able to run just a little bit further or a little bit faster than last week is fun.

Being able to slide another plate on the bar for a lift is fun.

Being able to stretch or flex a random way and see ancillary muscle pop that didn't pop two weeks ago is fun.

Please take your negative ignorance elsewhere, kthx.

My negative ignorance...

You are the one in this thread with absolutely nothing to contribute about physical fitness !!!

We've seen your picture tjcaustin... you actually need to read more of this thread than comment on it.

And more ignorance.

How *dare* you try to denigrate me because I'm taller and have wider shoulders than you?  You are a tiny child of a man that I'm sure thinks he gets a fantastic burn from the machines in the gym and doesn't need to use those big ol' weights.

I hate the gym. I never go to the gym.. I also don't lift much ... that's my point..

wider shoulders.. ok.. i didn't say anything about your shoulders. I just alluded to the fact that you're pudgy and could use some training advice.

And I directly said that you're wrong, ignorant and should shut up.  Here we are.

What exactly am I wrong about?

I have the end result of good work-out sense.. that being some definition, and a little bit of mass in the right places.

What are YOU claiming... exactly.. that people should spend an inordinate amount of time to achieve what?

I don't know, how about succeeding at a stated goal? Like to be able to ride a bike for 150 miles without feeling embarrassed.

Also, how is riding a bike, or going to the gym, for 2.5 - 3 hours a week "inordinate"? There are 168 of them in a week, it's not like they aren't there to spare.

To be clear, what I'm actually stating is "what you want isn't what demik wants, stop telling him it is" And then there's the morons and curse words on top of that because I hate everything about you.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Acetrak on Thu, 09 May 2013, 08:10:17
hi demik, do you do squats when you're at the gym? If so, how much do you do currently? If not, I'd suggest doing 5x5 of the same weight, if you can do the weight without struggling in form, move up. Increments of 5lbs will be plenty, especially if you are able to squat daily. I think this is the most efficient workout to get stronger. If this is the first time doing workouts like this it'll be a ***** and you'll probably be sore almost everyday but your body will eventually adjust and get stronger (eat lots of protein.)

Work hard and good luck brotha
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Turkishrambo on Thu, 09 May 2013, 08:24:03
**** weights, just do calisthenics!

Bar brothers all day!


Get yourself a chinup bar and follow some of the guides these guys made.

I lost 40 lbs of fat doing this + cardio
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 09 May 2013, 08:24:25

1. Don't do a real diet  to lose weight. What you should do is only to eat healthy things as much as you can and cut the obvious sources of extremes fat/sugar (you know them, but basically fried stuff, rich sauces, meat with too much fat and things with a lot of sugar). BUT, eat pretty much as much as you want without exaggerating, and maybe try to lower that amount a little but do not get hungry. If you are hungry, try to fill yourself with vegetables and fruits (fresh/raw if possible). Anyway, if you want to lose weight on a 5 months objective, the best is to go slowly, else it's bad for your body. The best way to do that is to cook yourself, eat as much fruit and vegetables as you can and do the obvious. For example, I replaced most of the red meat I eat with horse meat because it's much healthier. You can also try to eat more rice, quinoa, etc., they taste good if cooked well! Also, after a training, drink a small chocolate milk (just after). It gives back to your body some sugar and proteins. There are other stuff that can do the job, but chocolate milk is easy to find and a good one. You should drink it max 15 min after a workout.

I really agree with this. I've spent a long time trying to overhaul my diet slowly like this instead of trying to stick to a strict regimen. Changing my eating habits has helped me a lot personally.

hi demik, do you do squats when you're at the gym? If so, how much do you do currently? If not, I'd suggest doing 5x5 of the same weight, if you can do the weight without struggling in form, move up. Increments of 5lbs will be plenty, especially if you are able to squat daily. I think this is the most efficient workout to get stronger. If this is the first time doing workouts like this it'll be a ***** and you'll probably be sore almost everyday but your body will eventually adjust and get stronger (eat lots of protein.)

Work hard and good luck brotha

I also agree with doing squats, leg presses, and lunges. I personally prefer lunges with weights in my hand. I lunge-walk across this open area in my gym, probably do like 15x3.



Also it fascinates me that I can only see tjcaustin's incredible rage post and not tp4's. You guys still read his drivel? Interesting. Ignore is a wonderful feature
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: moonprismpwr on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:15:17
Whatever you do, don't starve yourself. There's so many people I see skipping meals and going long hours without even a snack because they're desperate to get thin/stay thin. Especially now that summer is coming there's a lot of pro-ana (pro-anorexia) blogs popping up, with people telling each other to hold off on eating because "thin feels better than a cookie" or some crap. I can't offer much advice on work out routines etc, but I can definitely say that depriving yourself of meals is just going to end up being ineffective and make you miserable.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: davkol on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:36:02
Whatever you do, don't starve yourself. There's so many people I see skipping meals and going long hours without even a snack because they're desperate to get thin/stay thin. Especially now that summer is coming there's a lot of pro-ana (pro-anorexia) blogs popping up, with people telling each other to hold off on eating because "thin feels better than a cookie" or some crap.

Yet research suggests fasting animals (especially lab rats) live noticeably longer and are healthier. (Not saying most of popular diets aren't stupid.)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TreeSc2 on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:42:03
I workout al the teime.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: moonprismpwr on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:52:49
Whatever you do, don't starve yourself. There's so many people I see skipping meals and going long hours without even a snack because they're desperate to get thin/stay thin. Especially now that summer is coming there's a lot of pro-ana (pro-anorexia) blogs popping up, with people telling each other to hold off on eating because "thin feels better than a cookie" or some crap.

Yet research suggests fasting animals (especially lab rats) live noticeably longer and are healthier. (Not saying most of popular diets aren't stupid.)

There's a lot of information from both camps ofc ^^ Fasting can be good for you if it's done sparingly, but if you're doing it every single day you're risking muscle loss, which is pretty detrimental if you're looking to work out as part of your weight-loss regimen. And it offers an easy way out for people who are looking to lose some pounds quickly, rather than focusing on better meals + fitness, which will ensure a more stable weight loss. If you're holding off on eating to lose weight, the weight will just come back as soon as you start eating regularly again.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 09 May 2013, 15:57:48
Meh, I'm happier being a little chunky and eating my favorite foods, drinking beers, and not torturing myself with sweaty time-consuming make me feel like **** exercise regiments. Some people say they actually like working out, but that's just the lie you tell yourself to convince the brain it doesn't completely suck. Now video games, alcohol, and buffalo wings is something I can get behind!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: bear95 on Thu, 09 May 2013, 21:40:57
A friend(used to be 180lbs) said it really helped him(he lost 30lb in a few months) when I told him to change his mentality on eating, eat not to be full but to be not hungry.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: davkol on Thu, 09 May 2013, 21:43:32
Meh, I'm happier being a little chunky and eating my favorite foods, drinking beers, and not torturing myself with sweaty time-consuming make me feel like **** exercise regiments. Some people say they actually like working out, but that's just the lie you tell yourself to convince the brain it doesn't completely suck.

Endorphins.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iMav on Thu, 09 May 2013, 21:46:52
I'm going back to my crossfit box on monday.  Perhaps the third time will be the charm.  (I have a horrible pattern of starting, injuring myself, and then having to stop).
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 09 May 2013, 22:12:32
this is why i don't like crossfit by the way. do a bootcamp style class led by (ironically) gymnasts or something else that's only bodyweight.

actually it's not that ironic, because every single gymnast over the age of 18 has a major injury and knows how to make sure you don't get injured. rule #1 is don't use freeweights.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 09 May 2013, 22:21:09
this is why i don't like crossfit by the way. do a bootcamp style class led by (ironically) gymnasts or something else that's only bodyweight.

actually it's not that ironic, because every single gymnast over the age of 18 has a major injury and knows how to make sure you don't get injured. rule #1 is don't use freeweights.

Man, when I was training hard to drop weight, I'd got to the point where I could run ~12min mile (not fast to most, but I'm not small either) and do a heavy workout with barely a hitch in my breath

First time I did a bodyweight routine?  I felt like I was going to die.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 09 May 2013, 22:41:50
a good way to build up your core if you're having trouble starting with bodyweight routines (because there's really a minimum you need... is pilates with some spin (WATCH YOUR DAMNED FORM THOUGH) and maybe yoga. keep in mind that bad yoga teachers will effing destroy your joints though, and have no idea that they're doing it. from what i've seen though pilates is exceptionally safe.

ooh ooh and i forgot about barre (but i shouldn't because some of my fave coaches are now making their living pushing barre)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 22:52:57
I'm going back to my crossfit box on monday.  Perhaps the third time will be the charm.  (I have a horrible pattern of starting, injuring myself, and then having to stop).

ive wanted to give crossfit a chance. but since it's the "new thing" right now, classes are way too much.

i know north hollywood has a pretty famous muay thai gym, and their rates aren't bad. going to see if i can get into that again. i should still have my gloves somewhere.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: JPG on Thu, 09 May 2013, 23:03:23
I'm going back to my crossfit box on monday.  Perhaps the third time will be the charm.  (I have a horrible pattern of starting, injuring myself, and then having to stop).

ive wanted to give crossfit a chance. but since it's the "new thing" right now, classes are way too much.

i know north hollywood has a pretty famous muay thai gym, and their rates aren't bad. going to see if i can get into that again. i should still have my gloves somewhere.

Gloves? Just use rope "old school style" :p
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Thu, 09 May 2013, 23:09:27
ha, and then ride with no hands?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mkawa on Thu, 09 May 2013, 23:42:18
have reaper teach you thai boxing man
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iMav on Wed, 22 May 2013, 11:18:21
Half way through my second week back at Crossfit.

Everything feels great (no injuries) and I have been extremely regimented with my diet.

So far, so good!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grimey on Thu, 23 May 2013, 10:45:53
Runner / Cyclist here, former 300 pound fatty to fit 175 pound person here.  So the following is something I would probably know things about if anyone has any questions, which please feel free to PM if you would rather.

Year round cycle commuting in Iowa.  (My commute is 6 miles on way, 12 miles round trip, rain/snow/cold/shine).
    - Fat biking
    - Road biking
    - Some touring done
Running for distance and wearing out the dog.  (I generally do 6-12 mile runs a couple of times a week).
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Thu, 23 May 2013, 10:55:17
I am a cyclist too.

The best way to prepare for this kind of thing is to train and get in the kilometers (miles) on your bike. Everything else is secondary. Other forms of exercise to get in shape are great, and there are a lot of supporting exercises you can do (for example, working on your core greatly helps with cycling). However, emphasis should be to increase the strength and endurance of your legs. Gradually try to make your rides longer. What I do in preparation for this kind of thing is extending my normal 50-60 km training rides with an additional 10-20 km. On top of that I sometimes do an extra long ride of about 100km on sunday mornings. Eventually I want to get to the point where I can do the 100 km at an acceptable pace without feeling tired or experiencing any discomfort. When I get there, I know I can do twice that distance comfortably at an event (that is not a race).
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Ninjerk on Thu, 23 May 2013, 12:37:05
Training for a 150 mile bike ride?

Eat right, eat balanced, cycle a lot, could build up some muscles in the gym, but it seems more like a stamina exercise than anything else, so just cycle a lot I guess.

Personally, I would consult a cyclist forum for the best experiences/most researched answers, because most here are here for keyboard stuff, so our interests are all over the place. I do cross fit and boxing for example.

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Fri, 24 May 2013, 05:56:48
  (I generally do 6-12 mile runs a couple of times a week).

Kudos. I enjoy cycling, but running is hard for me. I have never been a fan. I recently did the 10 km in the Rotterdam marathon, and even though it was not really physically hard ( I guess I could have pushed myself more), half way through I just lose motivation. It is not that I am out of stamina, and I am not exactly bored either, it is more like, I just do not enjoy running as a form of exercise ( I still do it twice a week, but only 4 km each time). The thought of doing 12 miles by myself? It will never happen. Kudos man.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grimey on Fri, 24 May 2013, 21:38:30
  (I generally do 6-12 mile runs a couple of times a week).

Kudos. I enjoy cycling, but running is hard for me. I have never been a fan. I recently did the 10 km in the Rotterdam marathon, and even though it was not really physically hard ( I guess I could have pushed myself more), half way through I just lose motivation. It is not that I am out of stamina, and I am not exactly bored either, it is more like, I just do not enjoy running as a form of exercise ( I still do it twice a week, but only 4 km each time). The thought of doing 12 miles by myself? It will never happen. Kudos man.

Much thanks, having a dog that needs lots of exercise certainly helps the motivational part.  Cycling is certainly a more satisfying experience for me as well, but running also feels like a nice simplistic alternative now and then. 

Have often thought about getting into swimming at some point ,but the overhead of getting to a pool and back regularly keeps me away.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 24 May 2013, 21:39:49
This should turn into a biking thread so I can start looking into bikes.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 24 May 2013, 21:51:35
Don't do it TJ! Bikes will cost you a lot more than keyboards! It's a trap.
Cycling is my first love for sure. It's a great way to stay in shape or get in shape.
You guys should start playing bike polo!

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 24 May 2013, 22:00:21
Don't do it TJ! Bikes will cost you a lot more than keyboards! It's a trap.
Cycling is my first love for sure. It's a great way to stay in shape or get in shape.
You guys should start playing bike polo!

So's head-fi, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying it.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Fri, 24 May 2013, 22:02:00
Don't do it TJ! Bikes will cost you a lot more than keyboards! It's a trap.
Cycling is my first love for sure. It's a great way to stay in shape or get in shape.
You guys should start playing bike polo!

So's head-fi, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying it.
Yeah, that place makes mah wallet hurt too! It's rough having some many hobbies!  ;D
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Fri, 24 May 2013, 22:12:51
down to 276 from 330.  sucks almost losing 60 lbs and still being fat.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iMav on Sun, 02 June 2013, 20:34:20

down to 276 from 330.  sucks almost losing 60 lbs and still being fat.

Better than gaining an additional 60 pounds.  You are headed in the right direction and that is a significant accomplishment!  Congrats!!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Mon, 03 June 2013, 04:56:22
i know north hollywood has a pretty famous muay thai gym, and their rates aren't bad. going to see if i can get into that again
yes, you can and you will.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Mon, 03 June 2013, 06:58:59
Don't do it TJ! Bikes will cost you a lot more than keyboards! It's a trap.
Cycling is my first love for sure. It's a great way to stay in shape or get in shape.
You guys should start playing bike polo!

It is my main hobby as well.

It is much worse than keyboards in the sense that it is a bottomless pit that you can keep throwing money at. My carbon bottle cages are almost as expensive as my Filco  :-X
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Tue, 18 June 2013, 17:45:33

down to 276 from 330.  sucks almost losing 60 lbs and still being fat.

Better than gaining an additional 60 pounds.  You are headed in the right direction and that is a significant accomplishment!  Congrats!!

Thanks.. I *was* at 267 but am back at 273 due to a weak mind and a couple of cheat meals.

I'm going to need to get into lifting weights / cardio once I approach the 180's because as soon as I get off this insane diet the weight is going to pour back on I'm afraid.

I can't believe my basal rate is at 2,900 cals.  Unless I incorporate fast food how the **** am I supposed to eat that much healthy food?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 18 June 2013, 17:46:24
How did you figure out your Basal rate?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Tue, 18 June 2013, 17:47:53
How did you figure out your Basal rate?

http://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator/
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mmmty on Tue, 18 June 2013, 20:00:30
I'm getting a bike!! And then some tattoos since I will be a biker.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: cactux on Tue, 18 June 2013, 21:26:20
What about these 2, just to warm-up ;-)


I'm getting a bike!! And then some tattoos since I will be a biker.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: calavera on Tue, 18 June 2013, 21:30:14
Anyone know a website for guides on healthy cooking that's not too complicated? I get tired of eating the same stuff fairly quick. :(
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Tue, 18 June 2013, 21:31:19
Anyone know a website for guides on healthy cooking that's not too complicated? I get tired of eating the same stuff fairly quick. :(

tj gave me this link

http://www.johnstonefitness.com/recipes/browse-recipes/entrees/
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Input Nirvana on Tue, 18 June 2013, 21:52:28
CROSSFIT
I want. It's across the street from where I moved.
Big benefit of crossfit is "community" they do their stuff as a group, interactive, motivating AND (at least here) there is a strong social component. They do some travel things and some travel/volunteer things. Interesting. I'll look into that more.
$200 month, kinda pricey for me these days, but I'm thinking about cardio for 30 days, cross fit for 90 days to harden up any soft areas, then take it from there.

Demmi, get off your ass yet? :)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mmmty on Tue, 18 June 2013, 22:06:15
What about these 2, just to warm-up ;-)


I'm getting a bike!! And then some tattoos since I will be a biker.

Thanks for your suggestions cactux. Glad to know you're still alive  ;D
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: cactux on Tue, 18 June 2013, 22:09:32
Thx mate. Still catching some waves ;-)
What about these 2, just to warm-up ;-)


I'm getting a bike!! And then some tattoos since I will be a biker.

Thanks for your suggestions cactux. Glad to know you're still alive  ;D
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: vyshane on Tue, 18 June 2013, 22:23:28
Weight loss is easier if you can somehow quantify and measure what you need to do to achieve your goal weight. The science is actually pretty simple. It revolves around calories (a measurement unit for energy).

Your body needs energy to survive, and it gets that energy from food. Eating is good - it gives you the calories you need to live. But the problem is, if you eat more calories than your body needs, these extra calories are stored by your body. Over time, storing calories in this way makes you gain weight. If, on the other hand, you burn more calories than you eat, you will slowly lose weight.

Figure out how many calories your body needs daily (your Basal Metabolic Rate, BMR). You can use the Mifflin St Jeor equation to do that and apply a physical activity level multiplier based on your lifestyle. A quick trip to Wikipedia should give you the information that you need.

Then, if you want to lose weight, set a net daily calorie target of, around 500 calories less than your BMR. If you don't exercise, you can consume that amount in a day. If you exercise, you can "eat back" the calories burned through exercise. As long as you hit your calorie target, you will lose weight. You should not set a target that is too low though, since your body will go into starvation mode and your metabolic rate will drop, meaning that your body needs less energy to survive. So, once you set your target, aim to hit it, as opposed to trying to come in as far under the target as possible.

Note that everybody is different, so the target that you calculate may need adjustment. If you find that you're not losing weight after two weeks of consistently hitting your target, revise your target down by say 200 calories.

So, build an awareness of how many calories you're taking in from food versus how many calories you're burning through your lifestyle and exercise. It doesn't matter what you're eating as long as you hit your net daily calorie target. You can actually eat whatever you want. The trick is portion control.

The science is pretty simple. However, the challenge is twofold:

1) You need to know how many calories you're taking in through food, and you need to know how many calories you're burning through exercise.

2) You need to keep track of the above.

In my personal opinion, the most convenient way to do that is to use a mobile app. There are several out there. A search for "calorie counter" should bring up the most popular ones. Most of these apps come with a built in food database. You search for what you eat, and how much of it, and the app knows how many calories you've consumed. Some calorie counting apps are able to estimate how many calories you burn through exercise as well. While evaluating them, compare features and ease of use, but bear in mind that the app will only be as accurate as the database that it relies on.

Disclaimer: I'm not a dietician! I'm an app developer and the company I work for is in the weight loss field. But I'm not a dietician. Use the above information as a starting point for your own research :-)

Disclaimer 2: This post does not reflect my employer's opinion. Only my own.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Tue, 18 June 2013, 22:29:09
CROSSFIT
I want. It's across the street from where I moved.
Big benefit of crossfit is "community" they do their stuff as a group, interactive, motivating AND (at least here) there is a strong social component. They do some travel things and some travel/volunteer things. Interesting. I'll look into that more.
$200 month, kinda pricey for me these days, but I'm thinking about cardio for 30 days, cross fit for 90 days to harden up any soft areas, then take it from there.

Demmi, get off your ass yet? :)


yes sir. saturday put in 30 miles. took sunday off. monday put in another 30 miles. and today im about to head to the gym.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Wed, 19 June 2013, 18:48:30
Weight loss is easier if you can somehow quantify and measure what you need to do to achieve your goal weight. The science is actually pretty simple. It revolves around calories (a measurement unit for energy).

Your body needs energy to survive, and it gets that energy from food. Eating is good - it gives you the calories you need to live. But the problem is, if you eat more calories than your body needs, these extra calories are stored by your body. Over time, storing calories in this way makes you gain weight. If, on the other hand, you burn more calories than you eat, you will slowly lose weight.

Figure out how many calories your body needs daily (your Basal Metabolic Rate, BMR). You can use the Mifflin St Jeor equation to do that and apply a physical activity level multiplier based on your lifestyle. A quick trip to Wikipedia should give you the information that you need.

Then, if you want to lose weight, set a net daily calorie target of, around 500 calories less than your BMR. If you don't exercise, you can consume that amount in a day. If you exercise, you can "eat back" the calories burned through exercise. As long as you hit your calorie target, you will lose weight. You should not set a target that is too low though, since your body will go into starvation mode and your metabolic rate will drop, meaning that your body needs less energy to survive. So, once you set your target, aim to hit it, as opposed to trying to come in as far under the target as possible.

Note that everybody is different, so the target that you calculate may need adjustment. If you find that you're not losing weight after two weeks of consistently hitting your target, revise your target down by say 200 calories.

So, build an awareness of how many calories you're taking in from food versus how many calories you're burning through your lifestyle and exercise. It doesn't matter what you're eating as long as you hit your net daily calorie target. You can actually eat whatever you want. The trick is portion control.

The science is pretty simple. However, the challenge is twofold:

1) You need to know how many calories you're taking in through food, and you need to know how many calories you're burning through exercise.

2) You need to keep track of the above.

In my personal opinion, the most convenient way to do that is to use a mobile app. There are several out there. A search for "calorie counter" should bring up the most popular ones. Most of these apps come with a built in food database. You search for what you eat, and how much of it, and the app knows how many calories you've consumed. Some calorie counting apps are able to estimate how many calories you burn through exercise as well. While evaluating them, compare features and ease of use, but bear in mind that the app will only be as accurate as the database that it relies on.

Disclaimer: I'm not a dietician! I'm an app developer and the company I work for is in the weight loss field. But I'm not a dietician. Use the above information as a starting point for your own research :-)

Disclaimer 2: This post does not reflect my employer's opinion. Only my own.

I guess it depends on the person. I have never really had to diet. But for me, what works best is more of a common sense approach to staying healthy. I know and have always known how to be in shape. So do most people. I think it is a good thing to be able to quantify things, but you also run the risk of over-complicating something that is incredibly easy to most people.

I say this specifically because I have one over weight friend who had his diets and food intake down to a science. No doubt he knows more about it than me and the people we hang out with. Yet, when I try to interest him to work out with me he says he follows his own schedule. And when we go to the grocery store (it is opposite the building we live in we go together sometimes) I see him buying all sorts of stuff I would not touch with a 10 foot pole, but has all kind of reasons why it is ok.....

I think he would be better off getting a roadbike, go on some rides with me at least twice a week. Stop buying the stuff that common sense tells you is unhealthy no matter what you read in a book. Just watch his food intake (and be honest with himself) and eat fruit  when he is hungry etc. And he would lose all that weight in 6 months. No science, just what your mom told you to do.

Meh, I'm happier being a little chunky and eating my favorite foods, drinking beers, and not torturing myself with sweaty time-consuming make me feel like **** exercise regiments. Some people say they actually like working out, but that's just the lie you tell yourself to convince the brain it doesn't completely suck. Now video games, alcohol, and buffalo wings is something I can get behind!

I disagree with this because a work out can mean so many things. Sure there are certain things I hate to do (jogging) but there are so many sports that I love, that would also be a "workout". I think what more people should do is find something they enjoy, instead of making themselves walk on a damn treadmill for 30 minutes every day.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: vyshane on Wed, 19 June 2013, 21:01:34
I guess it depends on the person. I have never really had to diet. But for me, what works best is more of a common sense approach to staying healthy. I know and have always known how to be in shape. So do most people. I think it is a good thing to be able to quantify things, but you also run the risk of over-complicating something that is incredibly easy to most people.

I say this specifically because I have one over weight friend who had his diets and food intake down to a science. No doubt he knows more about it than me and the people we hang out with. Yet, when I try to interest him to work out with me he says he follows his own schedule. And when we go to the grocery store (it is opposite the building we live in we go together sometimes) I see him buying all sorts of stuff I would not touch with a 10 foot pole, but has all kind of reasons why it is ok.....

I think he would be better off getting a roadbike, go on some rides with me at least twice a week. Stop buying the stuff that common sense tells you is unhealthy no matter what you read in a book. Just watch his food intake (and be honest with himself) and eat fruit  when he is hungry etc. And he would lose all that weight in 6 months. No science, just what your mom told you to do.

Two things:

1) Some people do not have what you call the "common sense" that you speak of. You seem to know what your body requires in terms of diet and exercise. Other people may not even realise that they need to adjust their diet. Or they want to lose weight, and it seems obvious that they need to eat less. But how much less? Most people aren't good with portion size. Quantifying things help them create better eating habits. Once someone has an awareness of the sort of foods that they should eat, and how much, they don't have to keep logging their meals. The point is to build that awareness. One has to start somewhere. This is a solution that is more likely to stand the test of time. Someone could diet like crazy, lose 10kgs, then put it back on quickly because the crazy diet is not sustainable. They go from overeating to undereating and don't actually know what is the sustainable amount that they should be aiming for. Seems like common sense to you, but many people struggle with this.

2) If your friend knows more than you, then his problem is psychological and common sense is not the problem here. Let's say that my doctor tells me that I need to lose 30kgs. I could look in the mirror every evening and think that this is too hard - I'm not seeing any difference yet. Progress is so slow. I can't do this. Or, I could look at my log and see that I've hit my target. One more day done, we're good. A structured approach can help with the stress.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Wed, 19 June 2013, 21:07:36
After an exhaustive amount of research there seems to be two current camps:

The Veggie/Vegan/Starchy/Sometimes no Oil guys and the other camp the Paleo/Low carb guys.

Both camps have Doctors/experts who back up each diet or debunk the other one.

But what both fail to realize is maybe the reason both camps feel more healthy is because they both got rid of the processed crap in their diets.

As much as I want to switch to a 100% vegetarian diet - because I feel it's morally the right thing to do and also science kind of backs it up - nothing makes me feel better than eating meat and eggs.  I know on some molecular level it's probably taking years off my life but I definitely feel better and have a more positive mood when I'm eating the stuff.  This doesn't necessarily mean have an 'Epic Mealtime' pig out session - but just in general eggs and chicken do my mind some good.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: ITzNybble on Wed, 19 June 2013, 21:32:06
Let me explain what has happened in my life recently. I got a new job, They have an on site gym (which makes this easier). In 4 months I have lost 42 pounds so far. I have changed my diet but I still enjoy ice cream and cookies with my wife multiple times a week. I started my new job at 294 pounds I am down to 252 pounds now. This is what my mentality is on losing weight.

1. It is all about calories at first. intake less calories than your body needs to stay at a certain weight. i.e Needs at a weight of 210 let;s say 3000 kcal, intake of 2500 kcal a day. I will lose weight over time.

2. I can amplify this by burning calories by exercise. the key here is to do cardio workouts but stay around 75% of your heartrate. Also low stress workout... elliptical, biking. No treadmill if at all possible.

3. Training for a sport is simple once the weight is starting to come off. start with a goal that you know you can attain, let's say bike 10 miles, then each week add 2 - 3 miles. Once you do this for a few months you will notice there will be a point when you will think "I can bike however many miles I want at "this" pace. Now this is where the fun begins.

4. This is when your body is ready to be pushed, go faster, harder as your body is prepared to be pushed.

Of course this is all my personal opinion but working out can be fun its getting to the fun that is the hard part.

I would like to add that I currently am doing workout where I am burning ~2000 kcals everyday (a calorie burn challenge at work) and I am in the lead by over 3000 kcals. My main focus is not on losing weight as much as losing inches off my waist and increasing my cardiovascular strength.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Wed, 19 June 2013, 21:45:11
What would be really sweet is an app that has a huge database of foods w/ nutritional content.

You tell it what you would like to eat and it comes up with the most minimalist diet possible fulfilling daily requirements.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Thu, 20 June 2013, 03:37:51
I guess it depends on the person. I have never really had to diet. But for me, what works best is more of a common sense approach to staying healthy. I know and have always known how to be in shape. So do most people. I think it is a good thing to be able to quantify things, but you also run the risk of over-complicating something that is incredibly easy to most people.

I say this specifically because I have one over weight friend who had his diets and food intake down to a science. No doubt he knows more about it than me and the people we hang out with. Yet, when I try to interest him to work out with me he says he follows his own schedule. And when we go to the grocery store (it is opposite the building we live in we go together sometimes) I see him buying all sorts of stuff I would not touch with a 10 foot pole, but has all kind of reasons why it is ok.....

I think he would be better off getting a roadbike, go on some rides with me at least twice a week. Stop buying the stuff that common sense tells you is unhealthy no matter what you read in a book. Just watch his food intake (and be honest with himself) and eat fruit  when he is hungry etc. And he would lose all that weight in 6 months. No science, just what your mom told you to do.

Two things:

1) Some people do not have what you call the "common sense" that you speak of. You seem to know what your body requires in terms of diet and exercise. Other people may not even realise that they need to adjust their diet. Or they want to lose weight, and it seems obvious that they need to eat less. But how much less? Most people aren't good with portion size. Quantifying things help them create better eating habits. Once someone has an awareness of the sort of foods that they should eat, and how much, they don't have to keep logging their meals. The point is to build that awareness. One has to start somewhere. This is a solution that is more likely to stand the test of time. Someone could diet like crazy, lose 10kgs, then put it back on quickly because the crazy diet is not sustainable. They go from overeating to undereating and don't actually know what is the sustainable amount that they should be aiming for. Seems like common sense to you, but many people struggle with this.

2) If your friend knows more than you, then his problem is psychological and common sense is not the problem here. Let's say that my doctor tells me that I need to lose 30kgs. I could look in the mirror every evening and think that this is too hard - I'm not seeing any difference yet. Progress is so slow. I can't do this. Or, I could look at my log and see that I've hit my target. One more day done, we're good. A structured approach can help with the stress.

I think you are right. Some people do miss this common sense and do not know what kind of changes they should make. I am aware of that, and it is a very valid point. No doubt there are people that need to quantify things to learn what (not) to do. Which is a shame really. I was trying to say that the best approach can be different for different people, though you could say that all I am doing is assuming people already have a basic understanding of these things, which is not always true.

The thing about my friend, I think you are right again. His problem may be psychological. It just frustrates me. Not because I mind him being overweight, but he is very self-conscious about it, and he has been on diets for literally years. It is kind of painful to see him being held back by his weight. I want to tell him to stop with the diets and just live a healthier lifestyle in general. In his case, I think he got a little "lost" in the science of it all. And that is easy to do. There are so many books out there, so many diets, so many alternative ways to lose weight. His strategy seems to be to try them all once... I'm just like dude, buy a bag of apples and eat that for snacks (for example), come run/bike with me and eat normal portions of whatever you like, there is no way you will keep that weight. It is not some complicated puzzle that you can not solve, and it is not true that you can not keep off the weight "no matter what".
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Thu, 20 June 2013, 05:16:32
after getting to 88 kgs (too much!), i completely stopped eating anything sweet, adjusted my food timetable so that  i would eat smaller portions more often, and signed for additional kyokushin lessons.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Fri, 21 June 2013, 17:12:00
after getting to 88 kgs (too much!), i completely stopped eating anything sweet, adjusted my food timetable so that  i would eat smaller portions more often, and signed for additional kyokushin lessons.

I like to use smaller plates at home so I do not overeat. I did not really do it to lose weight, but my girlfriend did point out to me that my evening meals were getting slightly gigantic. I thought the combination of getting a slower metabolism as I get older and my increasing portion sizes were probably a bad idea.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 21 June 2013, 20:21:28
just bought a fit bit flex for wife, will update on how it is.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mmmty on Fri, 21 June 2013, 21:21:00
just bought a fit bit flex for wife, will update on how it is.

That looks interesting!! I'll have to look more into it. Kind of expensive at $99. Would be more likely to buy if it's $50. Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 21 June 2013, 22:13:10
as far as these pedometers go, it's pretty good, we both actually have experience from buying el cheapo 5$ ones to buying a go wear fit/bodybugg (the ones on biggest loser) and having a fitbit original.

i heard too many negatives about the nike and jawbone, and the fitbit flex seems good now, so far initially it's cool, heck my wife upgraded to an iphone 5 also, so now we can see it communicate with it. (it only works with 2012 phones it seems)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TimIsABat on Sat, 22 June 2013, 00:28:09
So many posts on here so I wasn't able to see anything on it, but intermittent fasting works pretty well (been on it and lost a few good solid fat pounds).

The thing to really remember is calories in and calories out.

To gain mass eat excess calories.

To lose fat eat less than maintenance calories.

You can't lose weight and gain mass at the same time, but lifting weights helps retain muscle and have the skin flush against your muscles.

If you want more information on intermittent fasting (a little lazy to give specifics at the moment) you can check out http://leangainsguide.com and Eat Stop Eat by Brad Pilon. It's not a fad diet so don't worry...just eating differently.

Oh and always remember to eat smart and healthy because even though it isn't the necessary key to fatloss, it helps you stay healthy...look healthier...and just feel healthy.

You can PM me and I can help you out and check out http://bodybuilding.com (I know pretty douchey name, but the people there are generally nice). There forums helped me in determing my caloric and macronutrient needs.

One mo thing! The 6 meals a day every 2 hours plan is a gimmick. It might help make it easier to measure out calories, but it does not boost metabolism.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:46:05
down to 276 from 330.  sucks almost losing 60 lbs and still being fat.

Down to 265 as of this AM.  I'm disappearing!  :eek:
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 29 June 2013, 18:17:48
fitbit flex is pretty cool, lasts 5 days w/o a charge, is water resistant so you can shower with it on, and can directly (without a pc) connect with a 2012 smartphone. wife is gonna try the fitbit alarm... it has the vibrate, but might destroy battery life.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: quickcrx702 on Sun, 30 June 2013, 01:51:24
Momma always said life was like a box of chocolates, it doesn't last as long for fat people.  Seriously, keep doing what you are doing.  The biggest thing you need is patience, don't expect to lose a bunch of weight quickly, unless you feel like chopping off a limb.  Slow and steady wins the race.  Do it, you deserve it, and you will meet your goals if you set your mind to it.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TimIsABat on Sun, 30 June 2013, 09:09:46
Momma always said life was like a box of chocolates, it doesn't last as long for fat people.  Seriously, keep doing what you are doing.  The biggest thing you need is patience, don't expect to lose a bunch of weight quickly, unless you feel like chopping off a limb.  Slow and steady wins the race.  Do it, you deserve it, and you will meet your goals if you set your mind to it.

Losing more than 1-1/2 lbs per week is detrimental to the body. It also means you will be really skinny with tons of excess skin and no muscles. You will reap many benefits from a steady weight loss. I gotta get back on my grind and get my six pack back XD.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Mon, 01 July 2013, 00:35:25
finished a half century today!!!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 01 July 2013, 09:43:49
finished a half century today!!!

is that a burger, what is that.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Mon, 01 July 2013, 14:45:17
finished a half century today!!!
congratulations!
did you take one muay thai lesson yet?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Mon, 01 July 2013, 19:53:15
finished a half century today!!!
congratulations!
did you take one muay thai lesson yet?

nope, not yet. haven't found one near me :(
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mmmty on Thu, 18 July 2013, 22:29:29
I did almost a quarter century last week  ;D
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: xSpartanCx on Sat, 20 July 2013, 20:07:50
I do crossfit, but for some reason some people are completely against it. Super tough workouts, everyone does the same thing for time. Spicy.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TimIsABat on Sat, 20 July 2013, 21:36:36
I do crossfit, but for some reason some people are completely against it. Super tough workouts, everyone does the same thing for time. Spicy.

I used to be against Crossfit because a lot of the workouts just don't make sense...Not enough volume...

But when I looked at it again and looked at the results that many of my crossfitting friends have, I am getting more and more intrigued.

It might actually fit my work schedule instead...and the community is pretty nice.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Sat, 31 August 2013, 11:53:32
Crazy question:

Let's say that once every 3-4 weeks you have a single cheat meal with lots of sodium.  Now conventional wisdom says if you've been eating low sodium all along this meal is going to make you retain a bunch of water.  However(!) what if you don't drink very much water after this high sodium meal?  In theory shouldn't your body be smart enough  to burn fat to convert it to water?

I'm not suggesting something that could lead to a pattern of bad behavior; it's quite disheartening - and scary - to have one bad meal and gain 9-10 pounds; even if I know what's sort of going on.  I try to have my cheat day within 8 hours of weigh-in to have a full week to get it out of me.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 August 2013, 18:38:57
Crazy question:

Let's say that once every 3-4 weeks you have a single cheat meal with lots of sodium.  Now conventional wisdom says if you've been eating low sodium all along this meal is going to make you retain a bunch of water.  However(!) what if you don't drink very much water after this high sodium meal?  In theory shouldn't your body be smart enough  to burn fat to convert it to water?

I'm not suggesting something that could lead to a pattern of bad behavior; it's quite disheartening - and scary - to have one bad meal and gain 9-10 pounds; even if I know what's sort of going on.  I try to have my cheat day within 8 hours of weigh-in to have a full week to get it out of me.

you can not noticeably add or subtract your mass in "lipids-fat" in a 1-2 day time frame..  If you're just talking about how much "water" your body is holding... that's rather m00t... it's just water.. stop drinking it and you'll be a little less puffy.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TimIsABat on Mon, 02 September 2013, 18:17:06
So I stopped working out and dieting properly during the summer because of work in the morning draining me (damn kids and damn camp). My friend sent me a new workout plan by Tyrone Bell (Spartacus trainer) called Legion Training. It is supposed to be pretty brutal...working out every day and finishing the workout in about 20 minutes. Any thoughts on the work out?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 September 2013, 18:50:01
So I stopped working out and dieting properly during the summer because of work in the morning draining me (damn kids and damn camp). My friend sent me a new workout plan by Tyrone Bell (Spartacus trainer) called Legion Training. It is supposed to be pretty brutal...working out every day and finishing the workout in about 20 minutes. Any thoughts on the work out?

If you can finish it in 20 minutes...

Go for it...

TIME is the most costly expense in your short life...


wait wait wait... you have to pay for this?

Did you friend share the booklet with you? or do you have to buy something?

If you have to buy something... don't do it... look for the torrent,  if it's not on torrent,, it's probably not very good...

p90x is on torrent.(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_111_.gif)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 September 2013, 19:05:47
Hmmmm... looked into it,, it seems there's this Pyramid-scheme esque, multi-level marketing going on with the Legion training, similar to P90x...

I don't want to sound demotivational, but if there were shortcuts to fitness, everyone would know about it.

Most exercise programs relies on attribution errors.. 

For example,, if you are fat,, and you suddenly workout and eat less salt/ and carbohydrates, You can drop 10 to 15lbs immediately within a week....

This isn't a bad thing, but most of it is water weight, and the amount of actual fat loss is minimal...

The workout programs would like to have you believe that you DID lose 15lbs of "FAT" which is just not possible...


If your friend claims to be an instructor, or is trying to sell you something... Delete him as a friend... (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/047352f3.gif)

He's been corrupted....
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TimIsABat on Tue, 03 September 2013, 17:36:49
He sent me the packet via zip file.

I like trying things so I will try it out...I will let you know. It seems its for sedentary people who only have a little bit of lifting knowledge cause it starts me out on the smith machine on bench presses (inclined and flat). Doesn't seem too bad because it isn't promoting any supplements.

I'll let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 September 2013, 19:06:12
He sent me the packet via zip file.

I like trying things so I will try it out...I will let you know. It seems its for sedentary people who only have a little bit of lifting knowledge cause it starts me out on the smith machine on bench presses (inclined and flat). Doesn't seem too bad because it isn't promoting any supplements.

I'll let you know how it goes.


post a torrent...

Share with everyone..

Freedom of information...

Vive la liberté

Vive la liberté

Vive la liberté


Vive la liberté


Eat that NSA

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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: rao2100 on Tue, 03 September 2013, 21:41:04
This is what I did in the past worked and doing it again now. :)

1) Intermittent Fasting. I fast 18 hours and eat 6 hours. Eating window is 12p.m-6p.m
2) Once you are comfortable with fasting (after 1 month), start eating more cleanly. Meaning no carbs/sugar. Only Vege and Meat. (Ketosis etc)
3) Cardio and Resistance training. (Alternate days)
4) Body weight exercise everyday after waking in morning in the comforts of your room. (pushups/squats/lunges etc)

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 03 September 2013, 21:44:45
Saw a recent interview with John Malkovitch where he was saying how he lost 80lbs in like 6 months with an all jello diet.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 September 2013, 22:00:03
Saw a recent interview with John Malkovitch where he was saying how he lost 80lbs in like 6 months with an all jello diet.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

I don't think you guys need "extreme" diets..

None of you are "that" fat...

Just cut the refined sugars, replace with fruits..

And you'll be slim within 1.5 to 2 years.


Extreme diets might get you there quicker, but then you'll likely have loose skin... and it takes a rather large toll on other aspects of health, such as your immune system..


This is especially evident on ketonic diets,

your immune system goes,, WTF.. where ma' sugars, I can't fight your internal bacterial fauna and yeast without sugars,  You bastard,, eat more noodles.... ggaaaaaahhhhhhhhhharrrrrrrrrrr.......

(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/4d6161fd.gif)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TimIsABat on Tue, 03 September 2013, 22:33:45
This is what I did in the past worked and doing it again now. :)

1) Intermittent Fasting. I fast 18 hours and eat 6 hours. Eating window is 12p.m-6p.m
2) Once you are comfortable with fasting (after 1 month), start eating more cleanly. Meaning no carbs/sugar. Only Vege and Meat. (Ketosis etc)
3) Cardio and Resistance training. (Alternate days)
4) Body weight exercise everyday after waking in morning in the comforts of your room. (pushups/squats/lunges etc)

Hope that helps.


I have been tempted to do a no carbs diet, but I really find carbs to be helpful even in weight loss. That extra energy it provides is more productive and helps a lot more when trying to maintain muscle tone. Don't remember the research but it really helped me to still eat a moderation of carbs instead of eliminating them. To each their own though. Instead of body weight exercises, I would stretch because I didn't want to lose my flexibility (us dancers really need it). Fasting helped so much though (16 hours or 24 hours twice a week). It really comes down to whatever works for you as long as you aren't hurting yourself in the long run.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 September 2013, 23:29:25
This is what I did in the past worked and doing it again now. :)

1) Intermittent Fasting. I fast 18 hours and eat 6 hours. Eating window is 12p.m-6p.m
2) Once you are comfortable with fasting (after 1 month), start eating more cleanly. Meaning no carbs/sugar. Only Vege and Meat. (Ketosis etc)
3) Cardio and Resistance training. (Alternate days)
4) Body weight exercise everyday after waking in morning in the comforts of your room. (pushups/squats/lunges etc)

Hope that helps.


I have been tempted to do a no carbs diet, but I really find carbs to be helpful even in weight loss. That extra energy it provides is more productive and helps a lot more when trying to maintain muscle tone. Don't remember the research but it really helped me to still eat a moderation of carbs instead of eliminating them. To each their own though. Instead of body weight exercises, I would stretch because I didn't want to lose my flexibility (us dancers really need it). Fasting helped so much though (16 hours or 24 hours twice a week). It really comes down to whatever works for you as long as you aren't hurting yourself in the long run.

what exactly is "long run".  you only live for approx 70 years before your wife poisons you in your sleep..

even 6 months seem long run..
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:07:06
Every time I've gone on low/no carbs I've felt completely drained and have no stamina.

I recently switched over to high carb no fat, no oil, no meat/dairy/processed grains, and I feel fantastic.

Typical day (Mon-Fri): As much watermelon, dates, mango, banana, black beans, brown rice, sweet potatoes as I care for.
(Sat-Sun): Buffets - all I can eat (until I nearly puke) vegetables, fruit, brown rice - sometimes white rice as a treat.
(Once a week): Small handful of Brazil nuts (selenium)

Average cal per day: 2,200-3,000.  Average weight loss per week: 1/2 - 2 pounds.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:10:59
Every time I've gone on low/no carbs I've felt completely drained and have no stamina.

I recently switched over to high carb no fat, no oil, no meat/dairy/processed grains, and I feel fantastic.

Typical day (Mon-Fri): As much watermelon, dates, mango, banana, black beans, brown rice, sweet potatoes as I care for.
(Sat-Sun): Buffets - all I can eat (until I nearly puke) vegetables, fruit, brown rice - sometimes white rice as a treat.
(Once a week): Small handful of Brazil nuts (selenium)

Average cal per day: 2,200-3,000.  Average weight loss per week: 1/2 - 2 pounds.

enjoy the diabetes... don't say I didn't warn you (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/f529a952.gif)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:13:17
Every time I've gone on low/no carbs I've felt completely drained and have no stamina.

I recently switched over to high carb no fat, no oil, no meat/dairy/processed grains, and I feel fantastic.

Typical day (Mon-Fri): As much watermelon, dates, mango, banana, black beans, brown rice, sweet potatoes as I care for.
(Sat-Sun): Buffets - all I can eat (until I nearly puke) vegetables, fruit, brown rice - sometimes white rice as a treat.
(Once a week): Small handful of Brazil nuts (selenium)

Average cal per day: 2,200-3,000.  Average weight loss per week: 1/2 - 2 pounds.

enjoy the diabetes... don't say I didn't warn you
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/f529a952.gif)


Show me a single piece of medical literature that backs up your statement.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:20:39
Every time I've gone on low/no carbs I've felt completely drained and have no stamina.

I recently switched over to high carb no fat, no oil, no meat/dairy/processed grains, and I feel fantastic.

Typical day (Mon-Fri): As much watermelon, dates, mango, banana, black beans, brown rice, sweet potatoes as I care for.
(Sat-Sun): Buffets - all I can eat (until I nearly puke) vegetables, fruit, brown rice - sometimes white rice as a treat.
(Once a week): Small handful of Brazil nuts (selenium)

Average cal per day: 2,200-3,000.  Average weight loss per week: 1/2 - 2 pounds.

enjoy the diabetes... don't say I didn't warn you
Show Image
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Show me a single piece of medical literature that backs up your statement.

Look up the chemical structure for simple sugar.   then look up starch...  notice the similarities..


A spoonful of cooked rice is pretty much the same thing as concentrated coca-cola..


But hey man.. all the obese Americans with type 2, that says nothing about high carb diets...


Go right ahead... eat whatever you want...


Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:26:06
Every time I've gone on low/no carbs I've felt completely drained and have no stamina.

I recently switched over to high carb no fat, no oil, no meat/dairy/processed grains, and I feel fantastic.

Typical day (Mon-Fri): As much watermelon, dates, mango, banana, black beans, brown rice, sweet potatoes as I care for.
(Sat-Sun): Buffets - all I can eat (until I nearly puke) vegetables, fruit, brown rice - sometimes white rice as a treat.
(Once a week): Small handful of Brazil nuts (selenium)

Average cal per day: 2,200-3,000.  Average weight loss per week: 1/2 - 2 pounds.

enjoy the diabetes... don't say I didn't warn you
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/f529a952.gif)


Show me a single piece of medical literature that backs up your statement.

Look up the chemical structure for simple sugar.   then look up starch...  notice the similarities..

A spoonful of cooked rice is pretty much the same thing as concentrated coca-cola..

But hey man.. all the obese Americans with type 2, that says nothing about high carb diets...

Go right ahead... eat whatever you want...


There are so many things wrong with what you just wrote I don't know where to start..

Do everyone a favor and stop regurgitating falsehoods unless you have MEDICAL DATA TO SUPPORT IT.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mauri on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:27:19
Every time I've gone on low/no carbs I've felt completely drained and have no stamina.

I recently switched over to high carb no fat, no oil, no meat/dairy/processed grains, and I feel fantastic.

Typical day (Mon-Fri): As much watermelon, dates, mango, banana, black beans, brown rice, sweet potatoes as I care for.
(Sat-Sun): Buffets - all I can eat (until I nearly puke) vegetables, fruit, brown rice - sometimes white rice as a treat.
(Once a week): Small handful of Brazil nuts (selenium)

Average cal per day: 2,200-3,000.  Average weight loss per week: 1/2 - 2 pounds.

enjoy the diabetes... don't say I didn't warn you
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/f529a952.gif)


Show me a single piece of medical literature that backs up your statement.

Look up the chemical structure for simple sugar.   then look up starch...  notice the similarities..

A spoonful of cooked rice is pretty much the same thing as concentrated coca-cola..

But hey man.. all the obese Americans with type 2, that says nothing about high carb diets...

Go right ahead... eat whatever you want...


There are so many things wrong with what you just wrote I don't know where to start..

Start from the concentrated coke, what is it and where can I get it
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Tarzan on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:31:14
I started back at the gym on July 4th, and have been going 3-4 times a week ever since.  (Most weeks, anyway, bronchitis laid me low for almost ten days...) 

Lost 10 kilos so far.

Also cutting back on heavy late meals, reducing what I eat for lunch as well.  So far so good.  My goal is to get back to 80-85 kilos, about where I was in college.  Currently at 99.9...   ;D
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:36:10
Every time I've gone on low/no carbs I've felt completely drained and have no stamina.

I recently switched over to high carb no fat, no oil, no meat/dairy/processed grains, and I feel fantastic.

Typical day (Mon-Fri): As much watermelon, dates, mango, banana, black beans, brown rice, sweet potatoes as I care for.
(Sat-Sun): Buffets - all I can eat (until I nearly puke) vegetables, fruit, brown rice - sometimes white rice as a treat.
(Once a week): Small handful of Brazil nuts (selenium)

Average cal per day: 2,200-3,000.  Average weight loss per week: 1/2 - 2 pounds.

enjoy the diabetes... don't say I didn't warn you
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/f529a952.gif)


Show me a single piece of medical literature that backs up your statement.

Look up the chemical structure for simple sugar.   then look up starch...  notice the similarities..

A spoonful of cooked rice is pretty much the same thing as concentrated coca-cola..

But hey man.. all the obese Americans with type 2, that says nothing about high carb diets...

Go right ahead... eat whatever you want...


There are so many things wrong with what you just wrote I don't know where to start..

Do everyone a favor and stop regurgitating falsehoods unless you have MEDICAL DATA TO SUPPORT IT.

Diabetes.org

Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes.

Fact: The answer is not so simple. Type 1 diabetes is caused by genetics and unknown factors that trigger the onset of the disease; type 2 diabetes is caused by genetics and lifestyle factors.

Being overweight does increase your risk for developing type 2 diabetes, and a diet high in calories from any source contributes to weight gain. Research has shown that drinking sugary drinks is linked to type 2 diabetes.

The American Diabetes Association recommends that people should limit their intake of sugar-sweetened beverages to help prevent diabetes. Sugar-sweetened beverages include beverages like:

    regular soda
    fruit punch
    fruit drinks
    energy drinks
    sports drinks
    sweet tea
    other sugary drinks.

These will raise blood glucose and can provide several hundred calories in just one serving!

See for yourself:

    Just one 12-ounce can of regular soda has about 150 calories and 40 grams of carbohydrate. This is the same amount of carbohydrate in 10 teaspoons of sugar!
    One cup of fruit punch and other sugary fruit drinks have about 100 calories (or more) and 30 grams of carbohydrate.



Rice has almost the same glycemic index as most sodas,, look it up
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:38:53
Honestly dante, I don't care if your fatass dies.

Just don't kill everyone else who's trying to live...




Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mauri on Wed, 04 September 2013, 12:42:17
So I heard you can get diabeetus from coming in contact with people who do have it.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 September 2013, 16:54:38
So I heard you can get diabeetus from coming in contact with people who do have it.

This is also true..

In the company of fat people, you can be coerced into over-eating..

Just like in the company of friends that are doing drugs, you may feel like it's no big deal, everyone does it, etc, etc..


Over-eating, though not an immediate danger can be pass down from family members or groups of friends just like alcohol and tobacco addictions..


You people gotta start thinking outside the box..

Remember meet the parents nights?  many of the fat kids also had fat parents... (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/8f337f1c.gif)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Wed, 04 September 2013, 18:04:50
So I heard you can get diabeetus from coming in contact with people who do have it.

This is also true..

In the company of fat people, you can be coerced into over-eating..

Just like in the company of friends that are doing drugs, you may feel like it's no big deal, everyone does it, etc, etc..


Over-eating, though not an immediate danger can be pass down from family members or groups of friends just like alcohol and tobacco addictions..


You people gotta start thinking outside the box..

Remember meet the parents nights?  many of the fat kids also had fat parents...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/8f337f1c.gif)


Ok stop being stupid.   I'm still waiting for you to show me indisputable medical evidence that white rice causes diabetes...

So rice and soda are both high gi and carbs, your point?  By your example I should be able to put diesel in my gasoline powered car and drive off no problems - after all - they both contain oil, right?

If you read my post - which I can see that you failed to do - I eat white rice as a treat.  Not because I believe it causes diabetes but because I prefer brown for the fiber.

If you are a vegan like myself and do not consume oil and very sparingly nuts/seeds you have to overeat to an extent because it takes a lot of calories to get to a level where I don't feel like a zombie.  That being said most of the time I'm keeping it under 3,000 cals and I'm still losing weight.

Yes I'm still a fat ass - but it's getting smaller by the week.  My peak was 348 when I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and last Friday I tipped the scale at 256.  Yes, my ass is still big but decreasing (down to 38w from 46w)

For anyone else who is afraid of carbs I highly recommend "The Starch Solution" by John McDougall.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 September 2013, 19:08:53
So I heard you can get diabeetus from coming in contact with people who do have it.

This is also true..

In the company of fat people, you can be coerced into over-eating..

Just like in the company of friends that are doing drugs, you may feel like it's no big deal, everyone does it, etc, etc..


Over-eating, though not an immediate danger can be pass down from family members or groups of friends just like alcohol and tobacco addictions..


You people gotta start thinking outside the box..

Remember meet the parents nights?  many of the fat kids also had fat parents...
Show Image
(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/8f337f1c.gif)


Ok stop being stupid.   I'm still waiting for you to show me indisputable medical evidence that white rice causes diabetes...

So rice and soda are both high gi and carbs, your point?  By your example I should be able to put diesel in my gasoline powered car and drive off no problems - after all - they both contain oil, right?

If you read my post - which I can see that you failed to do - I eat white rice as a treat.  Not because I believe it causes diabetes but because I prefer brown for the fiber.

If you are a vegan like myself and do not consume oil and very sparingly nuts/seeds you have to overeat to an extent because it takes a lot of calories to get to a level where I don't feel like a zombie.  That being said most of the time I'm keeping it under 3,000 cals and I'm still losing weight.

Yes I'm still a fat ass - but it's getting smaller by the week.  My peak was 348 when I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and last Friday I tipped the scale at 256.  Yes, my ass is still big but decreasing (down to 38w from 46w)

For anyone else who is afraid of carbs I highly recommend "The Starch Solution" by John McDougall.


Yea dude.. ok.. carbs ftw... w0000....
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TimIsABat on Wed, 04 September 2013, 20:42:43
I really don't think it effective in doing a no-anything. All of the macronutrients that you intake (fats, proteins, carbs) play a role in how your body functions. Take one of those away and you aren't fueling the body efficiently. It's like taking a keyboard and taking out the switches and just leaving the keys. It isn't going to work. Now your body isn't going to totally shut down on you like  that, but you need the vitals. Fat protects your organs and you need lipids in your blood. Carbs turn into glycogen which your body uses to fuel your system. Protein rebuilds, provides energy, transports stuff, etc. You need these for your body to be an efficient system...especially when you are adding additional stress with weights. Eliminating a part would not be the efficient way about burning fat and/or building mass. Watching the type of fats, proteins, and carbs is what has been truly efficient in most cases. You don't even need to eat 6-7 times a day (has been proven false time and time again). You just need an efficient amount as your body takes time to use it all. It really is as simple as calories in and calories out. Just gotta figure out how to efficiently manage them calories.

Plus being surrounded by biology and nursing majors, I've been told the dangers of ulcers and hypertension from such diets that remove a macro. I would believe them since they are studying rigorously on this stuff.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 September 2013, 21:43:20
I really don't think it effective in doing a no-anything. All of the macronutrients that you intake (fats, proteins, carbs) play a role in how your body functions. Take one of those away and you aren't fueling the body efficiently. It's like taking a keyboard and taking out the switches and just leaving the keys. It isn't going to work. Now your body isn't going to totally shut down on you like  that, but you need the vitals. Fat protects your organs and you need lipids in your blood. Carbs turn into glycogen which your body uses to fuel your system. Protein rebuilds, provides energy, transports stuff, etc. You need these for your body to be an efficient system...especially when you are adding additional stress with weights. Eliminating a part would not be the efficient way about burning fat and/or building mass. Watching the type of fats, proteins, and carbs is what has been truly efficient in most cases. You don't even need to eat 6-7 times a day (has been proven false time and time again). You just need an efficient amount as your body takes time to use it all. It really is as simple as calories in and calories out. Just gotta figure out how to efficiently manage them calories.

Plus being surrounded by biology and nursing majors, I've been told the dangers of ulcers and hypertension from such diets that remove a macro. I would believe them since they are studying rigorously on this stuff.

exactly...   whatever dante is doing to kill himself..  he is losing weight because he's destabilized his nutrition intake..

His body is going, wtf, idk what to do,, rage......

You can tell his psyche's even deteriorated as he can not think properly to do basic google search.


Lets say that lard butt reaches his "goal"... there is a HUGE likely hood that he will simply yo-yo back to his former self.

reason being, that obesity is also a form of psychopathy.  He has an unhealthy relationship with food. And his previous choice of denial and escape has been refined carbohydrates...

Now, he's reasoned to eat nothing but sugar.. GREAT IDEA...

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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Grimey on Wed, 04 September 2013, 22:41:51
I try to remember that is the large amount of small changes that actually matter in living fit in today's society. 

As anyone who has lost a substantial amount of weight would tell you, you get asked plenty along the lines of "How did you do it???".  Well there isn't a simple answer to that that doesn't sound patronizing when I reflect inward to answer those people when I try to answer.

I didn't do a single big thing, I definitely didn't do a really big change, I would claim that I did a whole bunch of small things and made a habit of them.  Now I did not start doing all these small things on day one and follow it forever, that would be doing a big thing and I didn't do that.  Making a series of small changes in your life will create habits that take over and keep you check for a lifetime, thus leading to the goal you wanted.

This is something fairly difficult to explain to people, and I don't really bother to try anymore when asked in real life (just respond with tape worm or something).  Just felt like bringing this up as per the direction this thread is taking.

So, don't over commit, and keep trucking is my message ?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: pagosElite on Thu, 05 September 2013, 01:33:54
One very big thing. DON'T drink anything with sugar in it... So only drink water. Also, for motivation, try to workout and exercise with a friend/team that will struggle with you the whole way. To train for the actual run, people say just run a lot, it's kind of true but not really. At first, run HIT (High Intensity Training if I remember correctly). There is a setting for it on almost all treadmills and  just use that at first. Then after around a month, begin to run lets say, 6 miles a day in less than 1 hour (if its not less than 1 hour for 6 miles after 1 month of HIT... you're doing something wrong). Run that much for the rest of the week. Then bump it up a notch. Go to 7 or 8 miles. Mainly, always increase the distance each week (if you're daring, every 2 days). Studies have also proven that leaving a day of rest between each session for weight lifting is good but I haven't read up about it for cardio. There is also the very popular "paleo diet".  Search up NerdFitness and see the paleo diet. During the summer I lost ~30 pounds just by only drinking water and going on the paleo diet without exercise and cut 7 pounds eating at buffets but getting massive exercise in wreslting. I've done track and field for 2 years and this is now my 3rd year wrestling and we have to maintain our same weight for the WHOLE year so I feel ya. Just don't give up when it gets tough.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: TimIsABat on Thu, 05 September 2013, 17:35:00
One very big thing. DON'T drink anything with sugar in it... So only drink water. Also, for motivation, try to workout and exercise with a friend/team that will struggle with you the whole way. To train for the actual run, people say just run a lot, it's kind of true but not really. At first, run HIT (High Intensity Training if I remember correctly). There is a setting for it on almost all treadmills and  just use that at first. Then after around a month, begin to run lets say, 6 miles a day in less than 1 hour (if its not less than 1 hour for 6 miles after 1 month of HIT... you're doing something wrong). Run that much for the rest of the week. Then bump it up a notch. Go to 7 or 8 miles. Mainly, always increase the distance each week (if you're daring, every 2 days). Studies have also proven that leaving a day of rest between each session for weight lifting is good but I haven't read up about it for cardio. There is also the very popular "paleo diet".  Search up NerdFitness and see the paleo diet. During the summer I lost ~30 pounds just by only drinking water and going on the paleo diet without exercise and cut 7 pounds eating at buffets but getting massive exercise in wreslting. I've done track and field for 2 years and this is now my 3rd year wrestling and we have to maintain our same weight for the WHOLE year so I feel ya. Just don't give up when it gets tough.

This is great advice. Although some people vouch for HIIT, I personally have found that low intensity training is better for if you are trying to lose weight while trying to maintain substantial muscle.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Malphas on Thu, 05 September 2013, 21:41:22
So I heard you can get diabeetus from coming in contact with people who do have it.

This is also true..

In the company of fat people, you can be coerced into over-eating..

Just like in the company of friends that are doing drugs, you may feel like it's no big deal, everyone does it, etc, etc..


Over-eating, though not an immediate danger can be pass down from family members or groups of friends just like alcohol and tobacco addictions..


You people gotta start thinking outside the box..

Remember meet the parents nights?  many of the fat kids also had fat parents...
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Ok stop being stupid.   I'm still waiting for you to show me indisputable medical evidence that white rice causes diabetes...

So rice and soda are both high gi and carbs, your point?  By your example I should be able to put diesel in my gasoline powered car and drive off no problems - after all - they both contain oil, right?

If you read my post - which I can see that you failed to do - I eat white rice as a treat.  Not because I believe it causes diabetes but because I prefer brown for the fiber.

If you are a vegan like myself and do not consume oil and very sparingly nuts/seeds you have to overeat to an extent because it takes a lot of calories to get to a level where I don't feel like a zombie.  That being said most of the time I'm keeping it under 3,000 cals and I'm still losing weight.

Yes I'm still a fat ass - but it's getting smaller by the week.  My peak was 348 when I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and last Friday I tipped the scale at 256.  Yes, my ass is still big but decreasing (down to 38w from 46w)

For anyone else who is afraid of carbs I highly recommend "The Starch Solution" by John McDougall.


Yea dude.. ok.. carbs ftw... w0000....

You are oversimplifying in fairness. dante's proposed diet is fairly ****, but it is free of a lot of the issues in a typical bad western diet (where you have the presence of highly refined carbohydrates, hydrogenated fats, and calorie surplus). Also, GI index is another oversimplification - rice does not have the same affect on your body as soda.

What dante's diet is incidentally similar to is the Okinawa diet, which is comprised mainly of sweet potatoes and rice, with small amounts of fish, very low fat intake, and has been linked to Okinawa islanders' longevity and relative lack of disease. The main difference - which is a crucial one - is the amount of calories, however. The Okinawa diet is low in calories and the islanders tend to be below average weight as a result, which has a huge (positive) impact on your health.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 05 September 2013, 21:47:58
I'm surprised that it doesn't seem like anyone has linked to the Hacker Diet yet (unless my search of this thread missed something).

http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/e4/

It's the quintessential GeekHack approach to dieting, and very pragmatic. I highly recommend it: helped me lose quite a lot of weight a few years ago.


Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: hcry4 on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:27:40
Started at 218 on March 1, 2013. Finally got under my goal weight of 160 this weekend after almost 7 months. Celebrated with junk food yesterday...
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: pagosElite on Mon, 30 September 2013, 16:30:33
Started at 218 on March 1, 2013. Finally got under my goal weight of 160 this weekend after almost 7 months. Celebrated with junk food yesterday...

*Gains all the weight back with that junk food*
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 30 September 2013, 18:42:31
Started at 218 on March 1, 2013. Finally got under my goal weight of 160 this weekend after almost 7 months. Celebrated with junk food yesterday...

congrats....
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 01 October 2013, 15:28:23
For what it's worth, I never have had any troubles with my weight and health throughout my entire life, and I might have some things to contribute to this thread.   For me, it all comes down to lifestyle.   Eat healthy, sleep enough, play sports, be physically active. 

I eat plenty of fruits, vegetables, nuts, beans, whole grains, a bit of milk and cheese and eggs, and meat perhaps once a day.  Not so much fish becuase my taste for fresh seafood and freshwater fish drives me away from store bought fish.  I try to stay away from anything processed or frozen, but I'm not perfect. 

Once you eat mostly non processed foods, and go back to some fast food or sugar infused garbage, you might be able to feel the way your body reacts.  My body feels terrible after a soft drink or fast food or bag of chips or signal binge.

Then physical activity.  I always have played sports, I enjoy endurance sports, get outdoors as much as I can, and ride my bike to work and for small errands.  It's about making movement an everyday part of your life.

And sleep a lot.  That gives you more energy for your waking hours.

Another factor in health is meaningful social interaction.  If you have good relationships, it makes each activity a little more enjoyable and fosters happiness.  The lowest and brightest points in my life had everything to do with my human relationships at the time.  It did not matter if my job sucked or school was rough.  When I had thoughtful friends and a nice girl, it's motivation to wake up each day and keep yourself healthy. 

Ok that's my unscientific approach to health.  Rip it to shreds if you would like.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Tue, 01 October 2013, 16:56:13
yeah. guys, kill this captain obvious!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 October 2013, 17:01:06
yeah. guys, kill this captain obvious!

(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-027.gif)

He is now dead!!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 01 October 2013, 21:10:15
yeah. guys, kill this captain obvious!

Thanks.  I do what I can to help others notice the things right in front of them.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 02 October 2013, 02:20:42
yeah. guys, kill this captain obvious!

Thanks.  I do what I can to help others notice the things right in front of them.

Similar to what I do with the Ergodox.. and how every other keyboard people buy is a waste of money..

I see now where you're coming from...

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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 02 October 2013, 02:53:26
I've gained 60lbs over the past 3 years. I'm just bulking up on mass, 'cause I'm gonna be like, super buff.

actually I just spend all my waking hours behind a computer and have a weakness for fine dining
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dustinhxc on Tue, 29 October 2013, 18:54:48
I have been lifting weights, working out, taking supplements for the past 14+ Years.
Eat Healthy, Low Dairy, Low Sodium, Low Sugar, High Protein, High Fiber.
I take Vitamin B, A, C, D, Multiple Vitamin, Fish Oil, and Fiber Caps.
I take Whey Isolate Protein Gaspari Nutrition is the brand I trust.
I take Superpump 250 before working out it gets you pumped up.
I take Kre Alkalyn before and after workouts.
I take Amino Acids.
Melotonin before bed.

Protein intake every few hours. If you take a casein blend it will digest slower so can take that at bed time but it has dairy so I dont take it anymore.
Also I drink a ton a water and do not drink pop unless I go out. :)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Wed, 30 October 2013, 07:43:06
I have been lifting weights, working out, taking supplements for the past 14+ Years.
Eat Healthy, Low Dairy, Low Sodium, Low Sugar, High Protein, High Fiber.
So Diary Products Are Not Healthy?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mauri on Wed, 30 October 2013, 08:18:05
I have been lifting weights, working out, taking supplements for the past 14+ Years.
Eat Healthy, Low Dairy, Low Sodium, Low Sugar, High Protein, High Fiber.
So Diary Products Are Not Healthy?

**** osteoporosis :D
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: hcry4 on Wed, 30 October 2013, 09:05:38
He takes multivitamins. Also, some dairy products have a lot of sugar.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: belac on Wed, 30 October 2013, 09:29:32
I have been lifting weights, working out, taking supplements for the past 14+ Years.
Eat Healthy, Low Dairy, Low Sodium, Low Sugar, High Protein, High Fiber.
So Diary Products Are Not Healthy?

**** osteoporosis :D

The "lack of dairy = osteoporosis" mantra is the result of aggressive advertising by the dairy farmers in cooperation with the U.S. gov't to spike sales of dairy products. It is empirically false, and was a precursor to the "high fructose corn syrup = sugar" campaign that is currently happening. Items that are heavily subsidized by the gov't are items that need to sell. Health/nutrition/science always lose out to the pursuit of profit (in the U.S.A. anyway).
 </rant>
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: mauri on Wed, 30 October 2013, 09:41:05
I have been lifting weights, working out, taking supplements for the past 14+ Years.
Eat Healthy, Low Dairy, Low Sodium, Low Sugar, High Protein, High Fiber.
So Diary Products Are Not Healthy?

**** osteoporosis :D

The "lack of dairy = osteoporosis" mantra is the result of aggressive advertising by the dairy farmers in cooperation with the U.S. gov't to spike sales of dairy products. It is empirically false, and was a precursor to the "high fructose corn syrup = sugar" campaign that is currently happening. Items that are heavily subsidized by the gov't are items that need to sell. Health/nutrition/science always lose out to the pursuit of profit (in the U.S.A. anyway).
 </rant>

Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 30 October 2013, 10:54:38
I have been lifting weights, working out, taking supplements for the past 14+ Years.
Eat Healthy, Low Dairy, Low Sodium, Low Sugar, High Protein, High Fiber.
So Diary Products Are Not Healthy?

I use non dairy butter, cheese, milk. The body doesnt digest dairy as good mainly the lactose and hormones. So I use food from Whole Foods but also Supplements. 

**** osteoporosis :D

The "lack of dairy = osteoporosis" mantra is the result of aggressive advertising by the dairy farmers in cooperation with the U.S. gov't to spike sales of dairy products. It is empirically false, and was a precursor to the "high fructose corn syrup = sugar" campaign that is currently happening. Items that are heavily subsidized by the gov't are items that need to sell. Health/nutrition/science always lose out to the pursuit of profit (in the U.S.A. anyway).
 </rant>

Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.

hey who edited my post! lmao  :p
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 30 October 2013, 11:31:15
I have been lifting weights, working out, taking supplements for the past 14+ Years.
Eat Healthy, Low Dairy, Low Sodium, Low Sugar, High Protein, High Fiber.
So Diary Products Are Not Healthy?

I use non dairy butter, cheese, milk. The body doesnt digest dairy as good mainly the lactose and hormones. So I use food from Whole Foods but also Supplements. 

**** osteoporosis :D

The "lack of dairy = osteoporosis" mantra is the result of aggressive advertising by the dairy farmers in cooperation with the U.S. gov't to spike sales of dairy products. It is empirically false, and was a precursor to the "high fructose corn syrup = sugar" campaign that is currently happening. Items that are heavily subsidized by the gov't are items that need to sell. Health/nutrition/science always lose out to the pursuit of profit (in the U.S.A. anyway).
 </rant>

Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.

+1
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 30 October 2013, 11:59:52
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

Here is a good article. Like I said, I am low dairy not dairy free. I was dairy free for one week and it was hard to not eat.. Ice Cream! lol
At the moment I am drinking Organic milk since I dont like the flavor of lactose free and im allergic to soy and almond milk. But the organic has been making my stomach hurt and feel not so good this week so I may have to switch back to lactose free. Thats the thing, if you go low dairy for a month then if you have dairy your body doesnt like it. Is it telling me something or is it just a coincidence who knows. Not telling anyone else to not have dairy. I love Ice Cream and Cheese Curds! Just saying that it is what Im doing as part of my diet right now and its working great!  ;)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Wed, 30 October 2013, 12:01:49
Thats the thing, if you go low dairy for a month then if you have dairy your body doesnt like it.
that's not THE thing. it never happens to me.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 30 October 2013, 12:12:47
Thats the thing, if you go low dairy for a month then if you have dairy your body doesnt like it.
that's not THE thing. it never happens to me.

Youve had no dairy and then went back ? I guess I may be Lactose Intolerant then. :(
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Malphas on Wed, 30 October 2013, 12:59:11
Dairy isn't inherently bad or good for you (neither are most whole foods for that matter), but it does depend highly on your genes how you react to them. People of European, Western Asian and Northern Africa descent tend to handle dairy much, much better than people originating from Eastern Asia, Sub-Saharan Africa, America and the rest of the world who's ancestors weren't exposed to milk consumption as an important element of survival for thousands of years (or skipped the neolithic phase of development altogether).

Even amongst the minority of the population who can tolerate milk well, goat's milk tends to be better accepted than cow's milk, with the exception of Northern Europeans who can tolerate both just as well.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: ItsBc on Wed, 30 October 2013, 16:10:53
keyboard forum is best forum for great fitness and diet advice.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 30 October 2013, 16:15:49
Dieting, gym, training.....that's all for losers! I diet on potato chips while sitting in front of the computer, training others in the fine arts of using Windows.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 October 2013, 16:18:23
Dieting, gym, training.....that's all for losers! I diet on potato chips while sitting in front of the computer, training others in the fine arts of using Windows.

Eye musculature is KEY...

This is how I train.. (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/th_053_XD.gif) 

I just squint like this REALLY HARD... 5 Reps 10 sets
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 30 October 2013, 16:44:27
I thought finger muscles would be more apt for this forum ...

Except that there are no muscles in the hands at all, they are all in the lower arm connected to fingers with tendons through the carpal tunnel.

Edit: Fixed
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 30 October 2013, 19:17:21
I thought finger muscles would be more apt for this forum ...

Except that there are no fingers in the hands at all, they are all in the lower arm connected to fingers with tendons through the carpal tunnel.

There are no fingers in the hands, huh?

(I know what you mean, though)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: belac on Wed, 30 October 2013, 19:27:01
... training others in the fine arts of using Windows.
That is the toughest workout of all! Talk about trying to get the human body to try and accept something unnatural...
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: belac on Wed, 30 October 2013, 19:33:02
Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.
It is also a "researched fact" that the "benefits" provided by dairy are better obtained from other sources which have been shown to have less negative impact on the body.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 October 2013, 19:45:11
Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.
It is also a "researched fact" that the "benefits" provided by dairy are better obtained from other sources which have been shown to have less negative impact on the body.

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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: belac on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:03:43
Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.
It is also a "researched fact" that the "benefits" provided by dairy are better obtained from other sources which have been shown to have less negative impact on the body.

source?
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Google, pub med, documentaries, anecdotal evidence, empirical evidence, common sense, personal experience, etc. There's no shortage of sources for those that look.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:05:57
Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.
It is also a "researched fact" that the "benefits" provided by dairy are better obtained from other sources which have been shown to have less negative impact on the body.

source?
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Google, pub med, documentaries, anecdotal evidence, empirical evidence, common sense, personal experience, etc. There's no shortage of sources for those that look.

So... you made it up...(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:09:56
I'm at the gym right now! :) still can't pry me from technology even when I'm out lol.. Those questioning the low dairy / dairy free diet. Try it if youd like! I've lost a lot of weight.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: belac on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:31:56
Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.
It is also a "researched fact" that the "benefits" provided by dairy are better obtained from other sources which have been shown to have less negative impact on the body.

source?
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Google, pub med, documentaries, anecdotal evidence, empirical evidence, common sense, personal experience, etc. There's no shortage of sources for those that look.

So... you made it up...
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I see you have the literary equivalent of selective hearing. for that, i will steal your emoticon (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:39:35
Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.
It is also a "researched fact" that the "benefits" provided by dairy are better obtained from other sources which have been shown to have less negative impact on the body.

source?
Show Image
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Google, pub med, documentaries, anecdotal evidence, empirical evidence, common sense, personal experience, etc. There's no shortage of sources for those that look.

So... you made it up...
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I see you have the literary equivalent of selective hearing. for that, i will steal your emoticon
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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: belac on Wed, 30 October 2013, 21:50:13
Well I'm not from the US and it is a researched fact that dairy products to a certain degree are healthy, sure if he's taking supplements then fine, but I personally like to get my vitamins, minerals and fats from actual food, not pills.
It is also a "researched fact" that the "benefits" provided by dairy are better obtained from other sources which have been shown to have less negative impact on the body.

source?
Show Image
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Google, pub med, documentaries, anecdotal evidence, empirical evidence, common sense, personal experience, etc. There's no shortage of sources for those that look.

So... you made it up...
Show Image
(http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/tuzki-bunnys/tuzki-bunny-emoticon-007.gif)

I see you have the literary equivalent of selective hearing. for that, i will steal your emoticon
Show Image
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I've got 100s of them.. you can't steal them all...
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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: davkol on Thu, 31 October 2013, 02:30:42
I'm at the gym right now! :) still can't pry me from technology even when I'm out lol.. Those questioning the low dairy / dairy free diet. Try it if youd like! I've lost a lot of weight.

My diet consists of dairy products for the most part, but I have quite the opposite "problem". I'd like to *gain* weight.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dustinhxc on Thu, 31 October 2013, 02:32:11
I'm at the gym right now! :) still can't pry me from technology even when I'm out lol.. Those questioning the low dairy / dairy free diet. Try it if youd like! I've lost a lot of weight.

My diet consists of dairy products for the most part, but I have quite the opposite "problem". I'd like to *gain* weight.

You can eat lots of carbs and take protein with high carb in it most are called weight gainers.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: davkol on Thu, 31 October 2013, 03:25:13
Yeah, that's the problem. I'm one of those people who prefer actual food... but looking at the other recommendations... well, I already eat most of that. Except peanut butter, because it's disgusting IMHO.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Thu, 31 October 2013, 09:15:16
I'm at the gym right now! :) still can't pry me from technology even when I'm out lol.. Those questioning the low dairy / dairy free diet. Try it if youd like! I've lost a lot of weight.

My diet consists of dairy products for the most part, but I have quite the opposite "problem". I'd like to *gain* weight.
late suppers, sweet food and high starch products are your friends then.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: davkol on Thu, 31 October 2013, 09:51:22
I'm at the gym right now! :) still can't pry me from technology even when I'm out lol.. Those questioning the low dairy / dairy free diet. Try it if youd like! I've lost a lot of weight.

My diet consists of dairy products for the most part, but I have quite the opposite "problem". I'd like to *gain* weight.
late suppers

That's what I already do. Actually, I've been doing it for ages.

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sweet food and high starch products are your friends then.

I eat that as well.

I mean, about a half of my family is fat... not two-seats-wide-American obese, but definitely fat. I eat much more then they do, but I'm still under 65 kg. I have absolutely no problem with a 0.5kg real yoghurt for breakfast, huge dinner at 9 pm, midnight snacks consisting of cakes,...
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Thu, 31 October 2013, 14:19:24
it was my style of eating in past times. i was 185/65. then i gave up smoking and gained 18 kgs in seven months. now i have to be concerned about what i'm eating :(
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: davkol on Thu, 31 October 2013, 14:28:39
Hmmm... I can't give up smoking, because I don't smoke.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 October 2013, 14:40:26
I'm at the gym right now! :) still can't pry me from technology even when I'm out lol.. Those questioning the low dairy / dairy free diet. Try it if youd like! I've lost a lot of weight.

My diet consists of dairy products for the most part, but I have quite the opposite "problem". I'd like to *gain* weight.

You can eat lots of carbs and take protein with high carb in it most are called weight gainers.

these mostly make you FAT...
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Malphas on Thu, 31 October 2013, 14:59:22
I'm at the gym right now! :) still can't pry me from technology even when I'm out lol.. Those questioning the low dairy / dairy free diet. Try it if youd like! I've lost a lot of weight.

My diet consists of dairy products for the most part, but I have quite the opposite "problem". I'd like to *gain* weight.

You can eat lots of carbs and take protein with high carb in it most are called weight gainers.

these mostly make you FAT...

No differently from how any other source of excess calories will make you fat. It shows a lack of understanding of how the metabolic systems work if you think some sources of calories are more likely to make you fat than others. It's ultimately very simple; the body will treat all excess calories more or less the same, regardless of the source - a proportion will be used to increase your amount of muscle depending on genetics, exercise, age, hormones (including ancillary steroids), etc. and the rest will be stored as subcutaneous fat. Your entire musculature is constantly being broken down and rebuilt based on your existing protein intake, so the notion that you have to increase your protein consumption massively in order to gain significant amounts of muscle is a myth primarily used to sell protein supplements.

It is true that generally people get fat on weight gainers, but that's because either a) they don't care and just want to put on weight without too much concern over whether it's adipose tissue or muscle; or b) a misunderstanding of the rate the body can create new muscle, and the factors involved.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 October 2013, 15:05:14
I'm at the gym right now! :) still can't pry me from technology even when I'm out lol.. Those questioning the low dairy / dairy free diet. Try it if youd like! I've lost a lot of weight.

My diet consists of dairy products for the most part, but I have quite the opposite "problem". I'd like to *gain* weight.

You can eat lots of carbs and take protein with high carb in it most are called weight gainers.

these mostly make you FAT...

No differently from how any other source of excess calories will make you fat. It shows a lack of understanding of how the metabolic systems work if you think some sources of calories are more likely to make you fat than others. It's ultimately very simple; the body will treat all excess calories more or less the same, regardless of the source - a proportion will be used to increase your amount of muscle depending on genetics, exercise, age, hormones (including ancillary steroids), etc. and the rest will be stored as subcutaneous fat. Your entire musculature is constantly being broken down and rebuilt based on your existing protein intake, so the notion that you have to increase your protein consumption massively in order to gain significant amounts of muscle is a myth primarily used to sell protein supplements.

It is true that generally people get fat on weight gainers, but that's because either a) they don't care and just want to put on weight without too much concern over whether it's adipose tissue or muscle; or b) a misunderstanding of the rate the body can create new muscle, and the factors involved.

Didn't read...

They make you fat..
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Malphas on Thu, 31 October 2013, 15:23:03
Care to explain why that is? Oh wait, you don't actually know because you're painfully ill-informed, generally lacking in intelligence, and the forum joke.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 October 2013, 15:32:57
Care to explain why that is? Oh wait, you don't actually know because you're painfully ill-informed, generally lacking in intelligence, and the forum joke.

didn't read...

They're making people fat..
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Malphas on Thu, 31 October 2013, 15:36:01
Food (which included weight gainers) makes people fat.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 October 2013, 15:44:04
Food (which included weight gainers) makes people fat.

Whatever you keep typing.. I can only guess.. since I did not read it.. I only hope it's not something indirectly racist,  given your remarks in the past..

Again.. meal replacements are mostly simple carbs, and they generally make people fat..
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Thu, 31 October 2013, 15:47:53
again, tp4tissue should be blindfolded with a string.

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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 October 2013, 16:06:53
again, tp4tissue should be blindfolded with a string.

I can tell you really want to be added to the Racist Bigot list like Malphas...

I would've thought you'd at least come up with a more original entry quote.

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Thu, 31 October 2013, 16:18:30
but blatant racists never want to be original, innit?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Malphas on Thu, 31 October 2013, 16:20:54
Go cry yourself to sleep tp, instead of pretending not to read my posts whilst frantically making pitiful rebuttals to them.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 October 2013, 16:26:16
Go cry yourself to sleep tp, instead of pretending not to read my posts whilst frantically making pitiful rebuttals to them.

didn't read..

the meal replacements make people fat.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dustinhxc on Thu, 31 October 2013, 17:14:56
That is all very true, the weight gainers work if you're working out the right muscle groups the right way each week and taking the correct intake of protein and carbs to your body weight. If you don't care to read it then don't comment.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 October 2013, 17:19:17
That is all very true, the weight gainers work if you're working out the right muscle groups the right way each week and taking the correct intake of protein and carbs to your body weight. If you don't care to read it then don't comment.

My comment to iri and malphas is completely out of my distaste for their existence, as they are terrible human beings..

My point on the supplements is that muscle gain is 5lbs-10lbs per year no matter what you do..

Most of the time, people on the weight-gainers / meal-replacements just gain a bit of fat in a short time, and they think, wow I'm 5lb m0re of beef cake...

While that couldn't be further from the truth.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 01 November 2013, 00:15:30
again, tp4tissue should be blindfolded with a string.

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Just a heads up that even what one might call mild racial insults are out of bounds.  We can discuss racism and race-related public policy here, and get heated with each other, and even accuse each other of racism.  All that is fine.  But personal comments like this that reference race in a rude or derogatory way will be moderated strongly.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Tue, 26 November 2013, 05:57:15
today i'm on a "**** you diet" diet with four filled ice creams.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 26 November 2013, 06:03:26
Ice cream is glorious!
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Sat, 11 January 2014, 20:01:28
jesus please kill me ...

cheat meal:

[shared] nachos w/ beans, meat, and white/yellow cheese
bowl of pozole
tripas burrito
1/4 ground beef burrito (wife couldn't finish it)
slice of flan
slice of pumpkin cheesecake
2 cannolis

Holy **** I want to die :(
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 January 2014, 21:07:25
jesus please kill me ...

cheat meal:

[shared] nachos w/ beans, meat, and white/yellow cheese
bowl of pozole
tripas burrito
1/4 ground beef burrito (wife couldn't finish it)
slice of flan
slice of pumpkin cheesecake
2 cannolis

Holy **** I want to die :(

Dante.. The problem is in your mind, not the food itself..

--A "positive" emotional attachment to food..

--An established habit to use Eating as an escape from stress..


This is the typical spiral that some have fallen into which generates the large-body outcome.

You have to analyze in detail your particular situation, and override the reasons behind which you overeat..

Simple will-power to avert yourself from eating is NOT -Enough..  In fact it usually drains you, and further create situations that may stress you towards rebound-eating...

This "cheat meal" idea is exactly that...  you're essentially rubberbanding your eating habits, not "changing them"

Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Sat, 11 January 2014, 21:26:22
It's not in my mind: it's according to plan.

I have a cheat meal each week to refill on glucose.  Currently eating twice a day a lean protein + non-starchy vegetables (usually broccoli)

Intermittent fasting between 12pm-7pm and it's working out great!  No more jitters or craving for sugar.  The desserts I did end up having were just 'what the hey' - I definitely could have done without them and will probably never eat sweets again for a while.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 January 2014, 21:36:27
It's not in my mind: it's according to plan.

I have a cheat meal each week to refill on glucose.  Currently eating twice a day a lean protein + non-starchy vegetables (usually broccoli)

Intermittent fasting between 12pm-7pm and it's working out great!  No more jitters or craving for sugar.  The desserts I did end up having were just 'what the hey' - I definitely could have done without them and will probably never eat sweets again for a while.

ok.. lets say there's a drug addict trying to quit drugs.. 

he tells himself.. alright, I'm not going to cheat-and-do-drugs  once every month, and stay sober the rest of the time..


10/10 drug addicts fail to abstain, and STAY abstained, by the above method..  This a well documented phenomenon in addiction studies.

This is not to bash your progress..  You're on your way.. that is great.. But having the "cheat-meal" concept "AT-ALL"  is essentially you not-letting-go of food as a vice in your life...

I'm not telling you to stop eating carbs forever,  I'm saying, you have to be careful in rebuilding this "relationship"/ "psychological association" you have with food..



Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Sat, 05 April 2014, 17:20:41
i've lost 6kg since march the 3rd.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: demik on Mon, 07 April 2014, 20:34:20
i want to train towards the MS150 next year, since last year I completely blew it off due to work.

I don't even know where to start, other than just riding everyday. I can't get passed the 50 mile mark without almost dying :(
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Tue, 08 April 2014, 04:10:25
read "The Lance Armstrong Performance Program: Seven Weeks to the Perfect Ride" for a start, eat healthy food, ride regularly, sit straight and don't forget to brush your teeth.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: davkol on Tue, 08 April 2014, 04:20:29
Where's the part about doping?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iri on Tue, 08 April 2014, 05:21:21
i've skipped testicle surgery as well.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 08 April 2014, 05:38:19
i've skipped testicle surgery as well.

You have an axe for that, anyway ;)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 25 April 2014, 15:48:43
Anybody follow a paleo diet?
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: hcry4 on Fri, 25 April 2014, 16:40:17
Anybody follow a paleo diet?

Keto for me. Went from 195 to 155.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: davkol on Fri, 25 April 2014, 16:46:58
Concentration camps. Offer a successful diet and work (out). Losing weight guaranteed.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 25 April 2014, 17:36:03
I need to put weight on hah, I am just eating as much as possible, drinking shakes, going to the gym five times a week. I only weigh about 160, I want to get up to at least 180.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Malphas on Sun, 27 April 2014, 15:38:26
Paleo diets are an incredibly misguided concept, that limits your variety of foods completely unnecessarily and fails to take account of different haplogroups, neolithic genetic adaptations, gut flora evolution, etc.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: dante on Sun, 27 April 2014, 15:47:17
I'm still experimenting with what works for me...

My diet is like ...

Mostly Vegetables - right around 90%
Occasional Seafood (Usually Nigiri Sushi)
No Dairy
No Pork
No Poultry
No Beef except for occasionally Liver (B12 refill)
No Grains except White Rice (once in a while Nigiri Sushi)
Limited fruits (I prefer Bananas and Apples - staying away from those binge forming Medjool Dates)
Water as my only beverage.

Right now I've got these foods down and am now experimenting with different Herbs.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: Malphas on Sun, 27 April 2014, 15:54:19
There's no real reason to exclude pork or beef, but omitting them won't do any harm either. Liver is probably the second most beneficial thing you can eat after oily fish, so if that's in your diet you don't need to worry to much about eating red meat. You could probably do with more fat.
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iMav on Fri, 26 December 2014, 12:29:09
I do crossfit, but for some reason some people are completely against it. Super tough workouts, everyone does the same thing for time. Spicy.

I love crossfit...but over the past 5+ years, I have started and stopped it several times due to injury (including one shoulder surgery).  I have had to come to grips with the fact that I cannot be trusted to push myself that much...I simply don't know when to stop/slow down/etc to avoid injury.

These days I am simply trying to get less fat by walking at the prompting of my fitbit.  :)
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 26 December 2014, 12:56:24
I do crossfit, but for some reason some people are completely against it. Super tough workouts, everyone does the same thing for time. Spicy.

I love crossfit...but over the past 5+ years, I have started and stopped it several times due to injury (including one shoulder surgery).  I have had to come to grips with the fact that I cannot be trusted to push myself that much...I simply don't know when to stop/slow down/etc to avoid injury.

These days I am simply trying to get less fat by walking at the prompting of my fitbit.  :)

Based on the expertly done wall punching..  indeed thou may have problem controlling all that rage power..

As for walking..  it's quite good, very low impact, and you don't get that -i'm gonna pass out- feeling,  so it's easier to go back to it every day..


The issue here now is..  because walking is lower in terms of  Calories/minute..  Eventually you hit the time-wall..

Where you'll become very accustomed to the walking such that it's absolutely no challenge for your body.. and the time it takes to do it will seem costly..

So from there.. I recommend stationary bike..  Very convenient.. Private, no one needs to see you sweat (some people are self conscious)..  and it's ALSO low impact.. which is a very important because, there's No good reason to wear out your joints.. it's not for a job, and we are no longer chasing or being chased by lions.. 


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Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: iMav on Fri, 26 December 2014, 13:04:37
I've got a very nice recumbent stationary bike at home.  I will, likely, continue walking for a while...as I do it in the morning, I simply wake up earlier if I need more time. 
Title: Re: Dieting, Gym, and Training.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 26 December 2014, 13:06:22
I've got a very nice recumbent stationary bike at home.  I will, likely, continue walking for a while...as I do it in the morning, I simply wake up earlier if I need more time. 

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I didn't no they made ergonomic stationary bikes ?