geekhack
geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: tp4tissue on Tue, 21 May 2013, 23:13:44
-
Of Hard-Drive space.
For me it's always sometime in May, and now I gotta wait the long haul till Black Friday and buy 6 more TB... :))
Prices are still ridiculous post crysis >:D >:D
-
You mean "crysis"
-
You mean "crysis"
i'm not using crisis anymore.. this is the internet
-
I wasn't correcting your spelling, I just added quotes for you. It's like gas prices, why would they lower their prices when people will pay for it regardless.
-
Wait a second... you filled 6 TB since Black Friday? Jesus... Your porn collection must really extend to the terabytes.
-
I really have no clue how you would ever fill up that much space.
-
Redundancy, Video Capturing, and BDrips. Although I better invest in a good NAS or server, because my chipset has been pooping itself from RAID 10.
-
I'm having to make space on my hard drives every week and I have a total of around 6-7 TB's worth of space too. Anime, movies, drama's, and music take up too much space. Especially HD :( I also can't make myself spend $150 or so on a new 3 TB HDD because I need to spend it on keyboard things :))
-
My drives are constantly hovering around 90% full.
-
Wait a second... you filled 6 TB since Black Friday? Jesus... Your porn collection must really extend to the terabytes.
I no longer have a pr0n collection.. :D not worth the space..
I'm hoping maybe $80 per 3TB this year.. It's been $90 for 2 years already..
I only buy those seagates, and you have to buy 3-4 at a time, because at least 1 of them will be faulty...
Aggressive testing for an entire week...
-
My drives are constantly hovering around 90% full.
Mine too.. it's really bad, fragmentation.. LOL, but everytime I get new drives.. I can finally defrag. :D
-
Wait a second... you filled 6 TB since Black Friday? Jesus... Your porn collection must really extend to the terabytes.
I no longer have a pr0n collection.. :D not worth the space..
I'm hoping maybe $80 per 3TB this year.. It's been $90 for 2 years already..
I only buy those seagates, and you have to buy 3-4 at a time, because at least 1 of them will be faulty...
Aggressive testing for an entire week...
Wut. Let me know if you ever find them for $80-90 so I can buy one. I've only seen them go for over $100 shipped.
-
My drives are always around 60% full. Most of the things on there can be removed when I notice it is getting too full. Also, I keep a lot of things on separate drives.
-
Wait a second... you filled 6 TB since Black Friday? Jesus... Your porn collection must really extend to the terabytes.
I no longer have a pr0n collection.. :D not worth the space..
I'm hoping maybe $80 per 3TB this year.. It's been $90 for 2 years already..
I only buy those seagates, and you have to buy 3-4 at a time, because at least 1 of them will be faulty...
Aggressive testing for an entire week...
Wut. Let me know if you ever find them for $80-90 so I can buy one. I've only seen them go for over $100 shipped.
??? last year $90 shipped amazon.. Black friday?? same thing the year before that.
And these were "internal" not the external crap where you have to take apart and void warranty.. because seriously, THESE ghetto drives NEED warranty
-
My drives are always around 60% full. Most of the things on there can be removed when I notice it is getting too full. Also, I keep a lot of things on separate drives.
I have MANY drives.. they're alll 90% full
-
Wait a second... you filled 6 TB since Black Friday? Jesus... Your porn collection must really extend to the terabytes.
I no longer have a pr0n collection.. :D not worth the space..
I'm hoping maybe $80 per 3TB this year.. It's been $90 for 2 years already..
I only buy those seagates, and you have to buy 3-4 at a time, because at least 1 of them will be faulty...
Aggressive testing for an entire week...
Wut. Let me know if you ever find them for $80-90 so I can buy one. I've only seen them go for over $100 shipped.
??? last year $90 shipped amazon.. Black friday?? same thing the year before that.
And these were "internal" not the external crap where you have to take apart and void warranty.. because seriously, THESE ghetto drives NEED warranty
Hahah, sounds good, bruh. I only use internal drives anyway and have them connected e-sata or placed into my external bays.
-
Wait a second... you filled 6 TB since Black Friday? Jesus... Your porn collection must really extend to the terabytes.
I no longer have a pr0n collection.. :D not worth the space..
I'm hoping maybe $80 per 3TB this year.. It's been $90 for 2 years already..
I only buy those seagates, and you have to buy 3-4 at a time, because at least 1 of them will be faulty...
Aggressive testing for an entire week...
Wut. Let me know if you ever find them for $80-90 so I can buy one. I've only seen them go for over $100 shipped.
??? last year $90 shipped amazon.. Black friday?? same thing the year before that.
And these were "internal" not the external crap where you have to take apart and void warranty.. because seriously, THESE ghetto drives NEED warranty
Hahah, sounds good, bruh. I only use internal drives anyway and have them connected e-sata or placed into my external bays.
watch out for those external bays, they trap heat which kills off the control board chips early.
The mechanical parts of the drives rarely fail, it's the electronics that die either due to defect, or accelerated wear from heat stress.
-
The mechanical parts of the drives rarely fail, it's the electronics that die either due to defect, or accelerated wear from heat stress.
Oo thanks for the heads up! I'll keep that in mind!
-
For me it's always sometime in May, and now I gotta wait the long haul till Black Friday and buy 6 more TB... :))
I never thought of running out of HD space was seasonal. But when you put it in the context of tp4tissue, that makes perfect sense: May is in spring season, where naturally animals will mate more. Since no one would want to mate with tp4, it's no wonder he resorts to pr0n...
That makes perfect sense why more HD capacity is needed...
-
For me it's always sometime in May, and now I gotta wait the long haul till Black Friday and buy 6 more TB... :))
I never thought of running out of HD space was seasonal. But when you put it in the context of tp4tissue, that makes perfect sense: May is in spring season, where naturally animals will mate more. Since no one would want to mate with tp4, it's no wonder he resorts to pr0n...
That makes perfect sense why more HD capacity is needed...
I agree with this statement. Although why you would need 6TB of data and use it in half a year is beyond me, there is a function on Windows, and I believe on Mac called "Delete"... Try it out sometime. (Oh and probably on whatever fancy homebrew you're running)
-
I only buy those seagates, and you have to buy 3-4 at a time, because at least 1 of them will be faulty...
That's ridiculous. Always buy drives from different manufacturers, or at least different batches, so they won't fail at the same time in the future.
On topic: I've had two 500GB drives (one internal, one external for backups) for two years, and I'm fine. I don't collect data, only backup books (few hundred MBs), music (currently ~30 GB, mostly 320kbps MP3s) and my own photos (probably about 6 GB a year).
-
Cheap 2Tb solid state drives coming to you soon™
-
Cheap 2Tb solid state drives coming to you soon™
2 Tb = 0.25 TB
Not soon, they've already hit the market, although they aren't really cheap yet.
-
I only 256gigs in my desktop, which is usually 40-70% full. It goes up and down based on Steam sales. I play then uninstall to free up space.
I also have 2TB on my file server which I try to keep at half because keeping it all backed up is a hassle. My offsite backup server has 2Tb to match, but due to how long it takes, I only backup critical items offsite, the rest is done locally on a smaller external drive.
watch out for those external bays, they trap heat which kills off the control board chips early.
The mechanical parts of the drives rarely fail, it's the electronics that die either due to defect, or accelerated wear from heat stress.
You should look into the months long Google drive study (http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf). Here is a more readable version, and here (http://gizmodo.com/237980/google-teaches-us-five-things-about-hard-drive-death) is a summary for the lazy ones. They studied all of their drives for a while, all different makes and models and found heat was FAR less a factor except when the drives reached an age of 3-4 years and spending 50% of their time above 40C.
"One of our key findings has been the lack of a consistent pattern of higher failure rates for higher temperature drives or for those drives at higher utilization levels."
In this paper they said they didn't have the technology to test for vibration, and didn't want to give a drive recommendation for which they felt was best so as not to skew the information they had collected. However, in another version of this (or an interview, I forget), they concluded vibration was an issue and arrived at that because the drive they found to be much more reliable was the one that had both ends of the spindle supported (Samsung or Hitachi). All others were relatively similar in reliability, except those.
This is also pretty interesting, these guys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDacjrSCeq4) show what vibration generated by simply yelling at your computer does to a drive. If yelling does that, imagine what real vibration or a bump does to it.
My own experience mirrors Google's.
If and when SMART does find anything out of the norm, the drive has little time left, no matter how minor it is. In over a third of their failures, the drives showed no prior signs of problems at all. Considering how many drives I replace in laptops vs desktops, I also have drawn the conclusion that vibration is the death sentence. I have seen drives bake in both and thrive for years, but show me a laptop with a dead drive, and I bet you will find it missing the rubberized feet, and signs of hard living.
I also agree with Davkol, never buy from the same batch if you can help it.
They are all the same, same transport and living conditions, same electronics, etc... They tend to fail relatively close to each other because of it. Companies setting up new servers order boxes of drives from around the country (or world), then mix and match, just to avoid that. It's painful watching a raid fail and as you rebuild it another drops, then another... I've seen 6 drives swapped out on a 8 disk array within 6 hours of each other, the data was safe, but the owners wallet sure wasn't. We survived the night with only 1 drive to spare and had to overnight a bunch of new 10k drives. Unfortunately, the replacements were all one batch and so were the overnighted drives, so you can guess what happened. Unfortunately this was systemic of the incompetence there, so I didn't stay long.
-
I only 256gigs in my desktop, which is usually 40-70% full.
oh, but you don't need tp4 big porn collection
-
I only 256gigs in my desktop, which is usually 40-70% full.
oh, but you don't need tp4 big porn collection
QFT.
-
I have 1.75 tb. 500gb system drive, 1tb storage drive and 250gb spare drive. Usually 1.25tb is used up. It would be closer to 3 or 4 but I keep all my movies/tv shows on my seedbox and stream from there.
-
I'm not even using my 'data' server much right now but its got around 18Tb right now, I don't usually run out of space.....
-
What the hell do you guys fill these drives up with? I mean, if you're in audio/video production I can understand, but seriously...
-
The last time I ran out of HDD space was back when drives were 1.2 to 2.1GBs large.
-
I have 3, 2TB drives, and a 40gig boot SSD. Each of the spindle drives is about half full.
What the hell do you guys fill these drives up with? I mean, if you're in audio/video production I can understand, but seriously...
1080p movies, FLAC audio, ISO's for different OSes, a LOT of ROMs...
and porn.
-
Shhh Fang is listening! :P
-
Shhh Fang is listening! :P
aaaaaand?
-
I have 3, 2TB drives, and a 40gig boot SSD. Each of the spindle drives is about half full.
What the hell do you guys fill these drives up with? I mean, if you're in audio/video production I can understand, but seriously...
1080p porn.
Lulz.
-
You jelly bro?
-
I used to run full until a few years ago when prices went down.
Then I bought a couple of spares and keep regular backups external.
Also, I delete at every opportunity and rarely regret it.
-
I have 3, 2TB drives, and a 40gig boot SSD. Each of the spindle drives is about half full.
What the hell do you guys fill these drives up with? I mean, if you're in audio/video production I can understand, but seriously...
1080p movies, FLAC audio, ISO's for different OSes, a LOT of ROMs...
and porn.
LOL
Yea, I used to keep a good library of 1080p pr0n, but then I couldn't anymore because I was running out of space so quickly when bluray releases really picked up in other countries..
Prior there was only USA blurays, then they started making asian blurays, and then Indian Blurays...
-
The last time I ran out of HDD space was back when drives were 1.2 to 2.1GBs large.
:D.. you're not downloading enuff"
-
I only buy those seagates, and you have to buy 3-4 at a time, because at least 1 of them will be faulty...
That's ridiculous. Always buy drives from different manufacturers, or at least different batches, so they won't fail at the same time in the future.
On topic: I've had two 500GB drives (one internal, one external for backups) for two years, and I'm fine. I don't collect data, only backup books (few hundred MBs), music (currently ~30 GB, mostly 320kbps MP3s) and my own photos (probably about 6 GB a year).
There's a reason I ONLY buy those seagates though, because they're the cheapest ones per GB... 3 years in a row I've bought 3 at a time, and I've always gotten 1 with bad sectors after a week of testing..
You could make infinite excuses about my computers being faulty, but the ones that didn't have sector problems from 2 years ago are still working perfectly today..
-
i missed the black friday HDD sales. Im sitting pretty at 5 TBs around 98% in my drobo. :(
blu ray rips
complete high def TV Series
even a few 4k movies just to say i have them (massive amounts of space for something i can even use to its full potential)
i always use WD blacks. i never had a problem them with them even in a raid config.
-
i missed the black friday HDD sales. Im sitting pretty at 5 TBs around 98% in my drobo. :(
blu ray rips
complete high def TV Series
even a few 4k movies just to say i have them (massive amounts of space for something i can even use to its full potential)
i always use WD blacks. i never had a problem them with them even in a raid config.
I was debating on the 4k Movies a while back, because I only have a 30" display.. I can't find that 32" 4k anywhere..
but below is a typical week for torrenters.. not my picture i just did the blurry thing
-
I only 256gigs in my desktop, which is usually 40-70% full. It goes up and down based on Steam sales. I play then uninstall to free up space.
I also have 2TB on my file server which I try to keep at half because keeping it all backed up is a hassle. My offsite backup server has 2Tb to match, but due to how long it takes, I only backup critical items offsite, the rest is done locally on a smaller external drive.
watch out for those external bays, they trap heat which kills off the control board chips early.
The mechanical parts of the drives rarely fail, it's the electronics that die either due to defect, or accelerated wear from heat stress.
You should look into the months long Google drive study (http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf). Here is a more readable version, and here (http://gizmodo.com/237980/google-teaches-us-five-things-about-hard-drive-death) is a summary for the lazy ones. They studied all of their drives for a while, all different makes and models and found heat was FAR less a factor except when the drives reached an age of 3-4 years and spending 50% of their time above 40C.
"One of our key findings has been the lack of a consistent pattern of higher failure rates for higher temperature drives or for those drives at higher utilization levels."
My own experience mirrors Google's.
If and when SMART does find anything out of the norm, the drive has little time left, no matter how minor it is. In over a third of their failures, the drives showed no prior signs of problems at all. Considering how many drives I replace in laptops vs desktops, I also have drawn the conclusion that vibration is the death sentence. I have seen drives bake in both and thrive for years, but show me a laptop with a dead drive, and I bet you will find it missing the rubberized feet, and signs of hard living.
I also agree with Davkol, never buy from the same batch if you can help it.
They are all the same, same transport and living conditions, same electronics, etc... They tend to fail relatively close to each other because of it. Companies setting up new servers order boxes of drives from around the country (or world), then mix and match, just to avoid that. It's painful watching a raid fail and as you rebuild it another drops, then another... I've seen 6 drives swapped out on a 8 disk array within 6 hours of each other, the data was safe, but the owners wallet sure wasn't. We survived the night with only 1 drive to spare and had to overnight a bunch of new 10k drives. Unfortunately, the replacements were all one batch and so were the overnighted drives, so you can guess what happened. Unfortunately this was systemic of the incompetence there, so I didn't stay long.
Yea I read that study, and the take away is the electronic components FAILed rather than the moving parts.
Whether or NOT Heat will correlate is irrelevant, because this type of study is highly conducive to autocorrelation errors, and there isn't enough similar studies to incitefully weed them out... since it is so unique and un-reproducable.
Your " mirroring " experience is laughable since at best you have what 30-50 different brand drives that are ran in similar environments?. You've experienced a case of bandwagon-ing, granted google is a good wagon, even then...
Google says the solid stuff failed, and "WE KNOW" that this stuff whether or not they work within specification is AFFECTED by excess heat...
Hence.. Less heat = better..
I'm not claiming "how much better" <- and that is the end of my claim...
On the vibrations issue, I'm not sure we can conclude anything, because it could be that drives made with loose parts vibrate more, and break, but that could be due to the loose fitting causing read errors rather than the vibration.
I have the silicon grommets on my drives because that's the only way to mount them in the old case I have, and they're required for spacing, but they seem to vibrate more given the slack rather than in the hard cages..
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
which ssd?
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
which ssd?
Probably an OCZ :p
-
i missed the black friday HDD sales. Im sitting pretty at 5 TBs around 98% in my drobo. :(
blu ray rips
complete high def TV Series
even a few 4k movies just to say i have them (massive amounts of space for something i can even use to its full potential)
i always use WD blacks. i never had a problem them with them even in a raid config.
I was debating on the 4k Movies a while back, because I only have a 30" display.. I can't find that 32" 4k anywhere..
but below is a typical week for torrenters.. not my picture i just did the blurry thing
they are pointless for me right now. the cheapest 4k tv i could find was $1450 and its not really all that important to me.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/seiki-se50uy04-4k-uhd/4505-6482_7-35757100.html
i go through phases where i torrent everything and anything i can get my hands on and then i calm down. i was big on usenet for a while too. thats what polished off my raid.
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
which ssd?
Probably an OCZ :p
I've had 5 ocz ssds die on me.. the 6th replacement I sold off before opening the box...
No more ocz for me..
-
Holy, how does HDD's die so often for people? I think I've only had one really old laptop HDD die on me and that wasn't even mine but my dad's. All of my HDD's have lasted me a long while without problems yet. Knock on wood.
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
which ssd?
Probably an OCZ :p
I've had 5 ocz ssds die on me.. the 6th replacement I sold off before opening the box...
No more ocz for me..
Agreed, friends don't let friends buy ocz
Holy, how does HDD's die so often for people? I think I've only had one really old laptop HDD die on me and that wasn't even mine but my dad's. All of my HDD's have lasted me a long while without problems yet. Knock on wood.
We're talking about a company that has THE worst customer service & sells ****ty SSDs, ****ty power supplies, and other ****ty things lol, not hard drives :)
Edit - Oh and at least a 7% failure/return rate
-
It seems I'm lucky enough to have never owned an OCZ product :P I have yet to try an SSD, still using my regular HDD's :P
-
It seems I'm lucky enough to have never owned an OCZ product :P I have yet to try an SSD, still using my regular HDD's :P
Amazing! I refuse to use internal mechanical drivers, mainly due to the noise. I might have something for you when we get to Florida :)
-
It seems I'm lucky enough to have never owned an OCZ product :P I have yet to try an SSD, still using my regular HDD's :P
Amazing! I refuse to use internal mechanical drivers, mainly due to the noise. I might have something for you when we get to Florida :)
You're amazing! Up until now I've just chosen what has the highest capacity for the best price. I do get 7200 rpm on my internal drives though. Should be fun when you come to Florida :)
-
Your " mirroring " experience is laughable since at best you have what 30-50 different brand drives that are ran in similar environments?. You've experienced a case of bandwagon-ing, granted google is a good wagon, even then...
30-50 drives at best?
Only if you count the first floor. :))
Shall we head into the basement and start counting? How about the 7 satellite offices or my other clients?
What the hell do you guys fill these drives up with? I mean, if you're in audio/video production I can understand, but seriously...
Home build PVR's, extreme music collections... Many people rip their DVD's and make on demand movie players.
Back when 250 gig drives were the biggest you could get for a reasonable price, I knew someone with 700 gigs of mp3's. It took around 150 DVD's to backup.
-
Your " mirroring " experience is laughable since at best you have what 30-50 different brand drives that are ran in similar environments?. You've experienced a case of bandwagon-ing, granted google is a good wagon, even then...
30-50 drives at best?
Only if you count the first floor. :))
Shall we head into the basement and start counting? How about the 7 satellite offices or my other clients?
What the hell do you guys fill these drives up with? I mean, if you're in audio/video production I can understand, but seriously...
Home build PVR's, extreme music collections... Many people rip their DVD's and make on demand movie players.
Back when 250 gig drives were the biggest you could get for a reasonable price, I knew someone with 700 gigs of mp3's. It took around 150 DVD's to backup.
//face-palm..
Google says, INCONCLUSIVE... whatever sample size you have relative to google... how can YOU draw any conclusions whatsoever.
-
i always use WD blacks. i never had a problem them with them even in a raid config.
That's what I'm going to buy soon. 5-year warranty + encryption = win.
Hence.. Less heat = better..
Actually, HDDs in cold (definitely about 0 °C or less) environments are more prone to failure.
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
which ssd?
Probably an OCZ :p
a crucial :p
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
which ssd?
Probably an OCZ :p
a crucial :p
Oh boy, well at least they're good with returns/exchanges :)
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
which ssd?
Probably an OCZ :p
a crucial :p
Oh boy, well at least they're good with returns/exchanges :)
Which crucial... did you update the firmware?
-
a month ago my ssd with photos from christiania died.
iri sad.
which ssd?
Probably an OCZ :p
a crucial :p
Oh boy, well at least they're good with returns/exchanges :)
Which crucial... did you update the firmware?
m4. no.
-
I only buy those seagates, and you have to buy 3-4 at a time, because at least 1 of them will be faulty...
That's ridiculous. Always buy drives from different manufacturers, or at least different batches, so they won't fail at the same time in the future.
On topic: I've had two 500GB drives (one internal, one external for backups) for two years, and I'm fine. I don't collect data, only backup books (few hundred MBs), music (currently ~30 GB, mostly 320kbps MP3s) and my own photos (probably about 6 GB a year).
There's a reason I ONLY buy those seagates though, because they're the cheapest ones per GB... 3 years in a row I've bought 3 at a time, and I've always gotten 1 with bad sectors after a week of testing..
You could make infinite excuses about my computers being faulty, but the ones that didn't have sector problems from 2 years ago are still working perfectly today..
x 2. My Seagate external died very quickly. A couple of weeks.
-
Haven't had a hard drive die on me in...15 years now?
I have a 250gb WD that I bought in early '07 that's still going strong. Two others, including a seagate external, from the same year are in great shape.
Think I'm the only person who's had a good experience with OCZ. I have two 120gb Vertex 3's that are two years old and have been rock solid.
And watch..tomorrow I'll have everything blow up on me just for toting fate.
-
I had an OS HDD die on me. But I put that thing through 6+ years of hard work. All day, every day seeding, as well as general everyday computer use. I actually bought another PATA drive to replace it, and get my "seedbox" back up and running.