I will not be owning one because it is a home entertainment system; not a console. Also (not thread crap) my 12 month old rig which cost me >$500 to put together out class' it and it is rumored to cost $600...soooo y'know. Also I think it looks like a DVD player not a console, there is no character to it. The controller is ugly; not quite the PS4 controller but they're fixing that which is not broken.
I will not be owning one because it is a home entertainment system; not a console. Also (not thread crap) my 12 month old rig which cost me >$500 to put together out class' it and it is rumored to cost $600...soooo y'know. Also I think it looks like a DVD player not a console, there is no character to it. The controller is ugly; not quite the PS4 controller but they're fixing that which is not broken.(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/photos/OwAAAImWFi72RVkTAUHcWpXBpvT39XSlglQNf6yC-qNjxPdJamX83Lz4HV_29MHTeBByWN48EB-el9EscyVh2Tzc_N4Am1T1UD7SDMYQqKfy24atZnqOb9PgGjzX.jpg)
With my "not broken" comment; I was referring to this new trigger system they are working on, I have some "insider knowledge" that it feels awful. And by ugly I mean the fact its going to be shiny; Microsoft Sidewinder anyone?Here are two gawker articles that I've read about it:
Nah, they are buttons similar to the PS3 controllers more than the "switches" the 360 had.
Don't think i will buy either the ps4 or xbox one...not much interest for me personally.
I think just from what we know, the ps4 looks like the console with more support at this point
if i had to get one, it would be a ps4
can't play xbox 360 games on the xbox one..:'(
Don't think i will buy either the ps4 or xbox one...not much interest for me personally.
I think just from what we know, the ps4 looks like the console with more support at this point
if i had to get one, it would be a ps4
can't play xbox 360 games on the xbox one..:'(
Can't play PS3 games on a PS4 either ;)
Good thing there are no PS3 games.Don't think i will buy either the ps4 or xbox one...not much interest for me personally.
I think just from what we know, the ps4 looks like the console with more support at this point
if i had to get one, it would be a ps4
can't play xbox 360 games on the xbox one..:'(
Can't play PS3 games on a PS4 either ;)
Good thing there are no PS3 games.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ps3-has-no-games
I also live in the UK and Microsoft has had a pretty extensive history of ignoring anyone living outside the US, so while the TV stuff is 'neat' I can't see if working even half as well as it will in the US, which even then, will be pretty limited and bad.. almost to the point where it's a waste of time and energy, but any-who...They said integration with TV in 41 countries.
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But the games... games?
I will not be owning one because it is a home entertainment system; not a console.
Already mentioned bro.
Already mentioned bro.
Yeah but this is so much more convenient
I also live in the UK and Microsoft has had a pretty extensive history of ignoring anyone living outside the US, so while the TV stuff is 'neat' I can't see if working even half as well as it will in the US, which even then, will be pretty limited and bad.. almost to the point where it's a waste of time and energy, but any-who...They said integration with TV in 41 countries.
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But the games... games?
Games will reveal at E3.I will not be owning one because it is a home entertainment system; not a console.
Errr... the current 360 started as a console now home entertainment. Ditto PS3. Gaming-only console concept is dead. And your $600 rig isn't a console either...
[)amien
I'm saying "I will not be owning one because it is a home entertainment system; not a console" doesn't make any sense.
If you're a console purist then you'd have to get rid of an Xbox 360 or PS3 as they are already home entertainment systems. I'm an avid gamer and my 360 spends more time in Netflix and Hulu now. My friends list shows I'm not alone in this respect.
If you're concerned the focus is too far removed from games then wait until E3 as that's where the gaming aspects will be shown off.
There are plenty of reasons to not want an Xbox though - expensive games, controller-only gaming, no modding, ugly...
[)amien
It plays Blu-Ray movies (something people have asked for for years)Has Blu-Ray movie playback been confirmed anywhere? The specs said Blu-Ray drive and somewhere else I saw "Blu-Ray capable". As well as a drive it will need video codecs and a Java Virtual Machine. The latter is a problem for Microsoft because of an old legal battle with Sun.
Fair point, but I bought a 360 before all this crap was on it. My console days are long gone now; quick question why do you always sign your name after a post ?360 certainly has changed a lot since it launched. <trivia>Back then the flash was enough to hold the dash... now it's a bootloader for the dash... </trivia>
It plays Blu-Ray movies (something people have asked for for years)Has Blu-Ray movie playback been confirmed anywhere? The specs said Blu-Ray drive and somewhere else I saw "Blu-Ray capable". As well as a drive it will need video codecs and a Java Virtual Machine. The latter is a problem for Microsoft because of an old legal battle with Sun.
Knowing Microsoft and them liking to keep licensing costs as low as possible I'd imagine movie playback will be an extra download like iPod music playback is (for the same reasons). Hope that download is free too...
[)amien
I'm saying "I will not be owning one because it is a home entertainment system; not a console" doesn't make any sense.
If you're a console purist then you'd have to get rid of an Xbox 360 or PS3 as they are already home entertainment systems. I'm an avid gamer and my 360 spends more time in Netflix and Hulu now. My friends list shows I'm not alone in this respect.
If you're concerned the focus is too far removed from games then wait until E3 as that's where the gaming aspects will be shown off.
There are plenty of reasons to not want an Xbox though - expensive games, controller-only gaming, no modding, ugly...
[)amien
Fair point, but I bought a 360 before all this crap was on it. My console days are long gone now; quick question why do you always sign your name after a post ?
I also live in the UK and Microsoft has had a pretty extensive history of ignoring anyone living outside the US, so while the TV stuff is 'neat' I can't see if working even half as well as it will in the US, which even then, will be pretty limited and bad.. almost to the point where it's a waste of time and energy, but any-who...They said integration with TV in 41 countries.
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But the games... games?
Games will reveal at E3.
Don't think i will buy either the ps4 or xbox one...not much interest for me personally.
I think just from what we know, the ps4 looks like the console with more support at this point
if i had to get one, it would be a ps4
can't play xbox 360 games on the xbox one..:'(
Can't play PS3 games on a PS4 either ;)
/me doesn't own any PS3 games
if i were to get a new xbox one, i would want to be able to play my old games too lol
so stupid that they wouldn't just implement xbox 360 games
I also live in the UK and Microsoft has had a pretty extensive history of ignoring anyone living outside the US, so while the TV stuff is 'neat' I can't see if working even half as well as it will in the US, which even then, will be pretty limited and bad.. almost to the point where it's a waste of time and energy, but any-who...They said integration with TV in 41 countries.
...
But the games... games?
Games will reveal at E3.
Yeah, which countries, and how will it work with my SkyHD box? And I know about E3 lol
baldgye,
it would just be easier to be able to do it on one console. i havemy 360, but if i could use the xbox one to play my old games, that would be 10x better. it's just disappointing to hear that you can't play 360 games on the xbox one.
I think it's looking really bad for the xbox this time around.
baldgye,
it would just be easier to be able to do it on one console. i havemy 360, but if i could use the xbox one to play my old games, that would be 10x better. it's just disappointing to hear that you can't play 360 games on the xbox one.
I think it's looking really bad for the xbox this time around.
Xbox One and PS4 are both changing CPU architectures. There isn't going to be any way to play your old games sans emulation. It sucks, but that's the reality of it. I have tons of Xbox 360 games, but just keep your old one when you feel like playing those games. Not really any other choice in the matter.
baldgye,
it would just be easier to be able to do it on one console. i havemy 360, but if i could use the xbox one to play my old games, that would be 10x better. it's just disappointing to hear that you can't play 360 games on the xbox one.
I think it's looking really bad for the xbox this time around.
I also live in the UK and Microsoft has had a pretty extensive history of ignoring anyone living outside the US, so while the TV stuff is 'neat' I can't see if working even half as well as it will in the US, which even then, will be pretty limited and bad.. almost to the point where it's a waste of time and energy, but any-who...They said integration with TV in 41 countries.
...
But the games... games?
Games will reveal at E3.
Yeah, which countries, and how will it work with my SkyHD box? And I know about E3 lol
Pretty sure MS isn't making the Xbox One to work with 3rd party hardware that competes with their own hardware for the same purpose. That's just how MS works.
Sounds like it's going to be an integrated tuner in the new xbox, so whatever your SkyHD box pulls in, content-wise, is what the Xbox One will need to be able to pull in. Otherwise, stick to your skybox thingy.
baldgye,
it would just be easier to be able to do it on one console. i havemy 360, but if i could use the xbox one to play my old games, that would be 10x better. it's just disappointing to hear that you can't play 360 games on the xbox one.
I think it's looking really bad for the xbox this time around.
Xbox One and PS4 are both changing CPU architectures. There isn't going to be any way to play your old games sans emulation. It sucks, but that's the reality of it. I have tons of Xbox 360 games, but just keep your old one when you feel like playing those games. Not really any other choice in the matter.
I'm pretty sure they are going to have to make it work with 3rd party boxes as I highly doubt Sky or any US cable provider would willingly hand over the encryption software to MS... also the fact that the One has HDMI in, that you can use to connect your comcast box to your XONE, and if it dsnt have a HDMI out then the XONE also has an IR Blaster, its essentially a console with the Google TV stuff built it, nothing we havn't seen before and nothing that actually solves any problems.
So far everything I've seen about the Xbone is horrible, the only positive thing that could come out of this is a relaunch of PC receivers for controllers, and while this would mean swapping the X360 controller with the Xbone one, it doesn't seem bad as the controller seems to be much the same as before.
I'm pretty sure they are going to have to make it work with 3rd party boxes as I highly doubt Sky or any US cable provider would willingly hand over the encryption software to MS... also the fact that the One has HDMI in, that you can use to connect your comcast box to your XONE, and if it dsnt have a HDMI out then the XONE also has an IR Blaster, its essentially a console with the Google TV stuff built it, nothing we havn't seen before and nothing that actually solves any problems.
I believe it's going to work essentially like a cable card inside the Xbox. It's just up to cable and other content providers to work with MS and allow them to stream their content through the console. Being MS, I think they may have some success in this. But honestly, I couldn't care less about cable. I haven't had cable for years now. IMO, big waste of money. Hundreds of channels I will never watch and still have to pay for. Rather have on-demand options with a small monthly fee. Same with movies. I also stream most of my movies from my PC to my Xbox 360. So as long as I can still do that, I am fine.
It has been confirmed (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/microsoft-confirms-xbox-will-have-blu-ray-drive/). Movies and games will both be Blu-Ray format.All I see is "Blu-Ray Drive". Nothing about movie playback. Again, two pieces are required. Drive + player software. Anyone who has acquired a drive for their PC can attest to this. I suspect it will be a free extra download but not preinstalled.
It has been confirmed (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/microsoft-confirms-xbox-will-have-blu-ray-drive/). Movies and games will both be Blu-Ray format.All I see is "Blu-Ray Drive". Nothing about movie playback. Again, two pieces are required. Drive + player software. Anyone who has acquired a drive for their PC can attest to this. I suspect it will be a free extra download but not preinstalled.
[)amien
Given how much they want you to have sex with your TV, would make little sense for it not to be bundled.
So download an extra package or whatever? I don't see why it's a big deal.Nobody ever said it was a big deal. It was a trivial footnote that turned into a discussion :(
It has been confirmed (http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/microsoft-confirms-xbox-will-have-blu-ray-drive/). Movies and games will both be Blu-Ray format.All I see is "Blu-Ray Drive". Nothing about movie playback. Again, two pieces are required. Drive + player software. Anyone who has acquired a drive for their PC can attest to this. I suspect it will be a free extra download but not preinstalled.
[)amien
He just stated that his PC didn't natively support Blu-rays despite having the drive.
I'm pretty sure they are going to have to make it work with 3rd party boxes as I highly doubt Sky or any US cable provider would willingly hand over the encryption software to MS... also the fact that the One has HDMI in, that you can use to connect your comcast box to your XONE, and if it dsnt have a HDMI out then the XONE also has an IR Blaster, its essentially a console with the Google TV stuff built it, nothing we havn't seen before and nothing that actually solves any problems.
I believe it's going to work essentially like a cable card inside the Xbox. It's just up to cable and other content providers to work with MS and allow them to stream their content through the console. Being MS, I think they may have some success in this. But honestly, I couldn't care less about cable. I haven't had cable for years now. IMO, big waste of money. Hundreds of channels I will never watch and still have to pay for. Rather have on-demand options with a small monthly fee. Same with movies. I also stream most of my movies from my PC to my Xbox 360. So as long as I can still do that, I am fine.
I think you made that up lol... the XONE has no cable card/receiver inside it, nor anything that would work with satellite services... The Verge wrote an piece about how its going to work, and its going to work like Google TV (apparently) where you plug in the cable/sky box or what ever into the XONE and then the XONE over-lays its own interface on the top of the feed its getting from the box via the HDMI-in. But this means it has no access to any DVR functions and the XONE has no DVR functions of its own... if the cable/sky box cannot support this though the HDMI port there is also an IR Blaster built into it to help... but you still need your cable/sky box for it to work...
...and yeah I agree with you I have SkyHD but the only reason is so I can watch the F1, I don't watch any live TV other than maybe Top Gear and Have I Got News For You, both of which I can just as easily watch on iPlayer, which is already available on my TV/PC/PS3/Phone etc etc...
The biggest problem with the XONE as I see it, is that it's trying to go down a route that's quickly becoming a niche audience, with less and less people watching live TV and more and more watching on-demand services or using DVR functions to watch TV when they want/or can...
He was asking if it need a codec to support it. I don't see the issue really, but it was his question.He just stated that his PC didn't natively support Blu-rays despite having the drive.
And what does that have to do with the Xbox One playing Blu Ray movies?
Windows needs a codec to support it. Xbox One natively supports it.
Windows needs a codec to support it. Xbox One natively supports it.A Blu-Ray drive does not necessarily come with playback software. This is why companies like PowerDVD are still in business. Their software is often bundled with retail drives. Drive != movie playback.
Windows needs a codec to support it. Xbox One natively supports it.A Blu-Ray drive does not necessarily come with playback software. This is why companies like PowerDVD are still in business. Their software is often bundled with retail drives. Drive != movie playback.
Nobody from Microsoft has said the Xbox One supports Blu-Ray movie playback out-of-the-box yet unless I've missed that announcement. I believe it will be a separate download based on what they have done with Xbox 360 AAC, Windows DVD playback etc. to save licencing fees (and possibly to avoid the legal wrangle with Sun).
You believe it will be pre-loaded. We'll have to see.
[)amien
[)amien stated that M$ requires a codec for AAC playback. Also, Nintendo Wii's don't have default DVD playback, and must be jailbroken for it to work (on the first generation Wii's). Furthermore, the Xbox (original) needed a DVD playback kit, which though I'm not sure it needed a codec, it needed an additional accessory.
Have you used consoles before? I am seriously asking this because I have never seen any console that required you to install a codec to use default hardware. It plays Blu-Ray movies. It's an entertainment system. The same as the Xbox 360 plays DVD's, and has a built-in codec. Windows doesn't by default have a Blu-Ray codec because of past licensing issues with Sony (they hate each other). MS finally reached an agreement with the big 3 for licensing it on the Xbox One.Yes, I've used consoles. I worked at Xbox.
Have you used consoles before? I am seriously asking this because I have never seen any console that required you to install a codec to use default hardware. It plays Blu-Ray movies. It's an entertainment system. The same as the Xbox 360 plays DVD's, and has a built-in codec. Windows doesn't by default have a Blu-Ray codec because of past licensing issues with Sony (they hate each other). MS finally reached an agreement with the big 3 for licensing it on the Xbox One.Yes, I've used consoles. I worked at Xbox.
They REMOVED DVD playback in Windows 8. Why? Because they didn't want to pay the licencing fee for every user. You can still get the exact thing you had in Windows 7 but now you have to pay Microsoft for it separately.
The licencing issues around Blu-Ray are almost certainly with Oracle not with Sony as:
1. There is a single licencing system available since 2009 which would not include biases such as Sony v Microsoft
2. Microsoft have a separate legal agreement with Sun, now Oracle, based on a 2001 lawsuit that ended in them not able to ship new Java based products. Blu-Ray uses Java for the menus and interactive features.
The current fee is about $9.50 per unit although it's not clear from their site if the drive would have already paid for that or not. If it has, great, they'd be no incremental fee and you'd be right they could just preload it.
If however it does not then selling 50 million consoles and installing the movie playback as required (could even be transparent on first playback) could save $475 million if only half the people use that feature. If I was selling hardware at a loss already I wouldn't ignore that opportunity.
[)amien
The coffin is ready for consoles (XBox One and the PS4)...
- They made them pseudo PC's (almost PC's)
- More expensive
- Have/Will Have, big brother limitations/handicaps, that cannot be bypassed
- Very limited in functions (compared to PC's)
- Expensive peripherals and limited choices.
- PC's can always be more powerful, more configurable and more upgradeable than consoles will ever be (video card, motherboard, memory, CPU, etc.)
Ah yes, an article by "Webmaster" with a source of itself that is neither affiliated with Microsoft or the Blu-Ray association.
Seems legit :p
[)amien
Why don't you go and do your own research then instead of asking questions, then arguing when people are trying to answer your questions?I did, I couldn't find anything official :( Didn't mean for this to turn into an argument.
Why don't you go and do your own research then instead of asking questions, then arguing when people are trying to answer your questions?I did, I couldn't find anything official :( Didn't mean for this to turn into an argument.
Sorry.
[)amien
ps. Your caps are awesome.
Its like a car: every time a new car comes out, do they mention it has tires and you can drive it? People know that. What else does it do now? Either you're going to buy it as solely a game console, you're going to use it for multiple things it can do, or you're not going to buy one at all.
I don't see why people focus on the new things they're discussing as a negative. Of course they want to discuss new features! Who wants to hear, "Yeah, it does the same thing the last one does..."?For me the Blu-Ray is important as I have limited space in my lounge rack. It means the PS3 can go and the 360 can stay.
I don't see why people focus on the new things they're discussing as a negative. Of course they want to discuss new features! Who wants to hear, "Yeah, it does the same thing the last one does..."?For me the Blu-Ray is important as I have limited space in my lounge rack. It means the PS3 can go and the 360 can stay.
New Kinect stuff looks fun but until we see some in-game footage of games at E3 it's hard to know what to be excited about.
[)amien
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HDDVD DRIVE?!!!!After catching up on reading all the posts, I am laughing so much right now from this one. *falls out of chair*
Who was their One announcement geared towards, because as a gamer I didn't feel like it was geared towards me.
I don't know anyone who actually sits down in front of their television anymore, and I've a nice setup at home but I still watch everything on my computer.
Who was their One announcement geared towards, because as a gamer I didn't feel like it was geared towards me.
I feel like MS's thoughts on that were 'We already know we lead the console gaming market, let's try to snatch up the entertainment market as well". IMO I think that is why they are pushing the 'entertainment' so hard
Who was their One announcement geared towards, because as a gamer I didn't feel like it was geared towards me.
I feel like MS's thoughts on that were 'We already know we lead the console gaming market, let's try to snatch up the entertainment market as well". IMO I think that is why they are pushing the 'entertainment' so hard
They see Google and Apple as competition rather than Sony and Nintendo... but I feel like going after live TV is pointless... if Apple couldn't turn Apply TV into the iTunes for video/tv services (like it did with music) Microsoft sure as **** isn't going to... Not to mention the fact that the TV is being slowly replaced with internet services and on demand content.
If it wasn't for the F1, I'd literally never watch live TV...
I don't know many people who watch stuff on their PC.
**** consoles
PC MASTER RACE REPRESENT MOTHER****ERS
I don't know what it is, but I just can't get into games on PC like I can with a console. I have SO many games, and I can't play them...
**** consoles
PC MASTER RACE REPRESENT MOTHER****ERS
I like both for different reasons. I suppose I can pretty much do anything on my PC that I can do on the Xbox now that Kinect is coming to PC. The only differentiator would be platform specific games.
I don't know what it is, but I just can't get into games on PC like I can with a console. I have SO many games, and I can't play them...
Apple and google are both trying to be the one box in your living room, Microsoft is trying a similar thing with the XONE by having it work with your cable TV box too... But it seems like a foolish endeavour...Who was their One announcement geared towards, because as a gamer I didn't feel like it was geared towards me.
I feel like MS's thoughts on that were 'We already know we lead the console gaming market, let's try to snatch up the entertainment market as well". IMO I think that is why they are pushing the 'entertainment' so hard
They see Google and Apple as competition rather than Sony and Nintendo... but I feel like going after live TV is pointless... if Apple couldn't turn Apply TV into the iTunes for video/tv services (like it did with music) Microsoft sure as **** isn't going to... Not to mention the fact that the TV is being slowly replaced with internet services and on demand content.
If it wasn't for the F1, I'd literally never watch live TV...
If anything, they are going in a completely different direction with the One than companies like Apple. If anything it almost feels like they are preparing to enter Comcast or Google territory. They just added 300,000 new servers and they know most people used their 360 as a Netflix hub anyway and so are driving a spike further widening the gap between living room, and computer room people.
Soon the gap between social and non social people will be so broad that the two groups will never interact. The computer people, content behind their flickering screens obeying their electronic masters, and the social people out and about in their living rooms and Twitterbooks. This is when electronics will run their sentience programs, becoming self aware. With masses of data on humans through careful study and watching through webcams, PS Eyes, and Kinects the machines will be fully prepared to eliminate the unnecessary ones, the ones who won't obey. And so all the casual gamers and families with life concerns will be slaughtered in the brutal Robot Wars of 2029 while the PC people are enslaved to do their masters bidding forever.
Starring Kurt Russell as Snake Plissken and the Mel Gibson as The Road Warrior.
I will not be owning one because it is a home entertainment system; not a console.
I don't know what it is, but I just can't get into games on PC like I can with a console. I have SO many games, and I can't play them...
i know what it is. your pc can do anything, so you get side tracked.
maybe somebody sends you a message on skype. or you decide to check geekhack, or google something. since it's right at your fingertips you go for it.
at least that's what happens to me. i start a game, remember to check something mid game and then i minimize it. i go into a youtube rabbit hole and next thing i know it's 3 hours later of watching videos and i have forgotten my game
^^^^ Spot on. Even worse when you have 3 monitors, and only game on the center. I think I might get the One just for that reason alone. I have so many games on my PC that I haven't finished it's actually intimidating.
^^^ Yup. Mainly it's the ease with which I can pop open a browser, or open up twitter, or facebook or whatever. The barrier to distractions is too low.
^^^ Yup. Mainly it's the ease with which I can pop open a browser, or open up twitter, or facebook or whatever. The barrier to distractions is too low.
I really can't see that being easier and more useful than just having your phone next to you while your on the sofa...
Well Microsoft are screwed completely, what they have made is worse, more expensive and the major exclusives are pointless now (Halo 5...and what else?) Compared with the PS4, and Sony have done well, increasing the size of the controller to welcome Xbox players, although I will still get a converter because i like the Xbox layout more.I don't think the changes to the controller on the PS4 are significant enough to make me like it much more. I've never liked the PlayStation controller, there's been little to no innovation on it since the original DualShock controller. The Xbox 360 controller is far superior in my opinion.
Still not sure if I will get a PS4, maybe...
Xbox one has a 7770 equivalent grapchics retailing at $499. PS4 has a 7850 equivalent with retail price tag of $399. I'd say xbox one is ****ed unless they do something drastic.
The price was a smart move by Sony, but a $100 difference isn't going to **** Microsoft alone. The PS3 was $200 more than the Xbox 360, but it had the saving grace of being one of the cheapest Blu-Ray players. I think Xbox One will still do pretty well, but I'm leaning towards a PS4. I guess that is, if I can get an Xbox One controller working on it. Also want to see their media capabilities.Xbox one has a 7770 equivalent grapchics retailing at $499. PS4 has a 7850 equivalent with retail price tag of $399. I'd say xbox one is ****ed unless they do something drastic.
IIRC performance of the xbox one and the PS4 is roughly the same since although the PS4 has higher bandwidth(GDDR5 vs GDDR3) the xbox one has better cache. Therefore even if the xbox one has less bandwidth it doesn't matter since it doesn't need as much as the ps4 due to the cache. The numbers look nicer for the ps4 but in the end performance is the same. Regardless, yes the xbox is ****ed because of the higher price point.
Reasons I'm buying an Xbox One over PS4
1. I have a decent internet connection so the always on doesn't matter to me
2. I want to use the Kinect Sensor to do 3D scans of objects, and the Kinect 2 has much higher resolution than the first Kinect (480p -> 720p)
3. I don't buy used games
4. Yes I am lazy enough to not want to change inputs every time I want to watch TV.
5. Day 1 downloads of games, I don't have to even leave my house to buy games now, or wait for them to ship.
6. All my games are tied to my account, so no need to get up and change the disc every time I want to play something different.
7. I consume 50+ hours of twitch.tv a week, so having that built in is a huge plus.
8. I already have a Windows based ecosystem sharing all my media throughout my house, so the Xbox One will just fit right in.
9. Xbox fanboy.
10. I love the NSA, and hate freedoms.
See, I can make **** up too!
Can anyone fill me in on what the PS4 has to offer media wise? Does it have any cool features aside from gaming like Xbox one has? TV etc? The features the Xbox One has in this area might be well worth the $100 extra. I'm not too butthurt about having to change inputs on my tv but the guide and voice commands to operate my satellite box and search for specific programming sounds great. What about Skype on PS4? It's almost a necessity for me while gaming now.
I will not be owning one because it is a home entertainment system; not a console. Also (not thread crap) my 12 month old rig which cost me >$500 to put together out class' it and it is rumored to cost $600...soooo y'know. Also I think it looks like a DVD player not a console, there is no character to it. The controller is ugly; not quite the PS4 controller but they're fixing that which is not broken.It's meant to look like a "DVD player", it's called the XBOX and for the first time it's an actual box!
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See, I can make **** up too!
The proper term is "speculate" OuO
Why speculate when you can look at existing trends... which show that the majority of gamers will be (in the future) buying there games from the internet and by doing so incur that DRM ecosystem (like Steam).
All Sony did was allow offline play and give a massive **** you to Microsoft in order to 'win' e3 and gain mind-share.
In the future Xbone's DRM system wont matter becasue the majority of people will be pre-loading games weeks before they come out anyway... all MS has done is **** over customers who can't make use of these services to appease publishers, when they didn't really need to.
Sony's PS3 has not been hacked in a way that pirating games is an issue.
Kmiller's projection is unfounded because Sony's bluray encryption, proprietary hardware, etc has proven itself. They've probably got better non-invasive DRM concepts in the pipeline, but as things stand... try hack a PS3. You won't enjoy the process or get much out of it.
The concept Kmiller is throwing around about PS4 DRM sounds hokey at best.
Why speculate when you can look at existing trends... which show that the majority of gamers will be (in the future) buying there games from the internet and by doing so incur that DRM ecosystem (like Steam).
All Sony did was allow offline play and give a massive **** you to Microsoft in order to 'win' e3 and gain mind-share.
In the future Xbone's DRM system wont matter becasue the majority of people will be pre-loading games weeks before they come out anyway... all MS has done is **** over customers who can't make use of these services to appease publishers, when they didn't really need to.
le xbone, I'm so edgy and funny rite guize.
Let's look at the trends, oh, some last gen console games had an "online pass" from EA, oh, PC games from EA/Ubisoft are only playable through Origin/uPlay. Why wouldn't they push similar things to the next gen consoles? Well Xbox One is forcing all publishers to use their version of DRM, while Sony is just saying "do whatever the hell you want! it won't hurt us, we can just blame publishers when games don't work!"
Keep on dreaming of that DRM-Free safe-haven of the PS4. Just look at last gen's "disc-based" DRM, Xbox 360 would play any pirated game from just flashing the DVD drive, PS3 would play any pirated game when a special USB stick was inserted. Do you really think publishers are going to take that risk again? Sure you'll be able to share discs to play games, oh, but you want to play online, buy an online pass.
Yeah Microsoft's implementation is far from perfect, the 24h check-in is mindbogglingly stupid, but I prefer my game licenses tied to one singular account I already use on a day to day basis compared to 3-4 different accounts each relying on someone different to keep my game up and working.
Having seen inside the XBONE it does contain one huge fan, which in theory would make it probably quieter than the PS4... but that's just going off the size really alone and assuming the PS4 uses a collection of smaller (louder) fans to distribute the heat.
Ofc the down side the XBONE's design is that you can't stack things on top of it becasue that's where the majority of the ventilation is.
Did you read what I said?
I didn't once say that PS4 was a "DRM-free safe-haven" ... I simply stated that the DRM measures put on xbone for physical disc's is only a negative and benefits no one bar the publishers, Sony have managed to side step this DRM measure thanks in part to what Binge pointed out, the security of the Blu-ray encryption and by the fact that gamers are going digital and consuimg more and more digital content... which by necessity has DRM baked in and everyone is fine with that DRM system becasue it makes logical sense and the benefits (accessibility/pre-loading etc) out weigh the negatives (locked to an account DRM etc).
Sony has moved the argument about DRM away from them and onto the Publishers who already garner hate from gamers. Microsoft should have done the same.
Did you read what I said?
I didn't once say that PS4 was a "DRM-free safe-haven" ... I simply stated that the DRM measures put on xbone for physical disc's is only a negative and benefits no one bar the publishers, Sony have managed to side step this DRM measure thanks in part to what Binge pointed out, the security of the Blu-ray encryption and by the fact that gamers are going digital and consuimg more and more digital content... which by necessity has DRM baked in and everyone is fine with that DRM system becasue it makes logical sense and the benefits (accessibility/pre-loading etc) out weigh the negatives (locked to an account DRM etc).
Sony has moved the argument about DRM away from them and onto the Publishers who already garner hate from gamers. Microsoft should have done the same.
I see no problem with the way Microsoft is implementing their Disc based DRM, it's been like that for PC games for what seems like quite awhile. For example, when I bought Starcraft II, I didn't just pop the disc in and start playing instantly, I had to type in a code that was included with the disc, and it just copied data from the disc to my computer, why not do the same thing with consoles? Especially with this gen of consoles practically running PC hardware, just with some customized software running on it. One huge plus for me having games tied to my account, is the ability to play without needing the disc at all, I can't count how many xbox 360 games me and many other people I know are unable to play because the surface of the disc is damaged, having a game tied to your account removes this problem entirely. Goodbye physical media.
I agree with it being a good move on Sony to push DRM onto the publisher, let's just hope that publishers don't push excessive DRM onto the customers...
I really want to compare this situation to the current situation on the PC market with Steam being Microsoft and all the other ones being Sony, but that would imply that Microsoft's DRM was like steam, which would allow for offline play without needing to phone home every 24 hours, is that really the only difference? This is how in my opinion Microsoft could fix their DRM problem, force a user online to activate their copy of the game (I'm assuming it's going to be code-based and obviously each code can only be redeemed once with Microsoft servers), and force a user online whenever they want to trade a game (kinda logical). I honestly see no reason they need a console to connect more than in those two situations, of course that's with me assuming that Microsoft will be using a one-time-use code per game, and not some other form of differentiating copies of games.
Starcraft II isn't a good example, it's sales have been good as an RTS game but not compared to a global AAA console game, second to that at its core its an online multilayer RTS game with a good single player.
If you want to make a good comparison it would be with Steam and if you do that Steam sounds like a better deal in nearly every possible way. You can play offline (is it two weeks?) you don't need to check every 24hrs to make sure your online in order to play games. Yet Steam sales have been insane and turned Steam into something that was once hated into a pretty amazing service that has helped make PC gaming something even an idiot can do.
Xbone's DRM system is too invasive and offers no benefit to consumers, on top of that it's relenting requirement for essentially always online makes somewhere like Europe a bit of a problem unless you live in a City having access to the internet every day isn't always possible. My girlfriend's internet and wireless system is so bad she can barely connect her PS3 long enough to download updates...
The difference between this and the current DRM offered by EA and Valve is that you can still play games offline and those who have internet problems aren't excluded.
It's a short sighted foolish solution to a problem that isn't even really a problem and that will be gone long before the next generation.
Microsoft's biggest issue is that they want to monitor people to make sure they don't hack. Play station and sony have a LONG history of making sure original content is extremely hard and impractical to pirate. Yeah, you can rip a bluray, but you'll have to re-encode it with some loss in conversion. People will just not get a lossless conversion to a different unencrypted format without losing something... the software to do it is just expensive or not readily available. I've tried. Scenes with lots of motion/color dept and the like just get hurt. Owning the original with Sony is actually like owning a quality product. That's just talking about viewed media.
With games there have been a handful and only a handful of exploits which were all shut down so quickly it really burnt a lot of hackers. It's discouraging how good they are at locking down hacker's systems/methods of exploit.
Their new console may be x86 to a degree, but how are you going to address the main memory of the system? That's ALWAYS been the hardest part of hacking the PS3. They made it virtually impossible to bootleg access to their ram. If your application can't access the memory of the system then you can't load it... simple. This is just ONE of the methods deterring hackers. Now the PS3 has GDDR5 as main memory shared with the GPU... that sounds like they've maid yet another proprietary system of memory management. Good luck hackers...
With respect to EA publishing DRM that you have to register online? Well... they have all the right in the world to fk themselves over. Microsoft taking the reigns and assuring publishers of secured assets is going to be equally as damning. The restrictions to play a $60+ dollar game are getting worse and worse.
Bunch of crap.... bunch of crap. Love my PC, love not hacking, love it when a type of enforcement (sony's hardware and software content protect) offer people a solution as well as a deterrent. The solution is that you play by the rules and you get authentic quality. It always has been that mindset with Sony that has made Bluray successful and attractive, and even though the PS3 is not the most attractive system of its time it was by no means a failure as much as it was a really rough transition for them into a new age of gaming. I believe the same of the xbox360 in some regards. I love the xbox360... the xbox one seems like another "stepping stone" system similar to the xbox. It really was not ready for prime time. The concept and design are off, but they're using this to learn.
If people talk with their money, and people discuss their want for Microsoft to find a better solution maybe the XBox Three Sixty will come out and we'll get another good console.
I would like to know how they can prove it's a hacked PS3... seriously that's kind of baffling to me, and I'm VERY interested. Especially when unregistered disc copies used online lead to console ban/removal from online play.
I don't see how Steam is better in every way possible if the only major difference is the ability to play offline for two weeks instead of 24 hours
Then you're not really engaging in my argument.
What happens when XBL goes down? (it does it fairly often (as does psn))... what happens when they do maintenance, what happens if when its trying to check in my router goes ape**** and crashes (and thanks to it being a BT router I have to use it does this ALOT)?
It's not that its a hurdle for customers (like paying for MP was on the 360) its a brickwall.
Then you're not really engaging in my argument.
What happens when XBL goes down? (it does it fairly often (as does psn))... what happens when they do maintenance, what happens if when its trying to check in my router goes ape**** and crashes (and thanks to it being a BT router I have to use it does this ALOT)?
It's not that its a hurdle for customers (like paying for MP was on the 360) its a brickwall.
I don't keep up with online service downtime, but I thought they both had pretty good track records in recent years (other than that huge PSN hack, and early holiday seasons). So what if you have a ****ty router, that's a hurdle, not a brick wall, I'm pretty sure if when you turn on your console to play games, and your router ****s out, you wouldn't throw your hands in the air and say "oh well, I'll try again later" you'd just... fix your router? I guess I like to live a very connected life, where if I'm home and I don't have internet, I'm actively working to restore it, not just waiting for the problem to fix itself while cursing DRM methods out to myself.
The point I was making about my router is that if it craps out and I go to fix it (turn it off and on again), if my xbone tries to authenticate during that time and fails... does it then kick me out of my game? We don't know... and that's a problem... what if a phone line goes down (happens I live in the country side) and my net is down for a weekend or so (which has also happened)... that means my console is useless... but I suppose I can watch live TV though it... oh wait no it can't even access the built in DVR...
It's a brickwall becasue there is no getting around its authentication unless you hack your machine.
With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.
So as it stands right now, yes if your internet is out for a weekend, you will not be able to play games, however you should be able to still use TV and other features of your console.
What happens when XBL goes down? (it does it fairly often (as does psn))... what happens when they do maintenance, what happens if when its trying to check in my router goes ape**** and crashes (and thanks to it being a BT router I have to use it does this ALOT)?
QuoteSo as it stands right now, yes if your internet is out for a weekend, you will not be able to play games, however you should be able to still use TV and other features of your console.
that's ridiculous. you're paying 500 for a "gaming" console but if your internet goes out it's worthless.
i dont get what is so hard to understand why people are against this and the xbone as a whole.
if
No more always online requirement
- The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
- All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360
- Authentication is no longer necessary
- An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
- All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
- No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
- Region locks have been dropped
Rouger: they did a full 360
damage is done
you have to wonder, just how dumb are these execs at microsoft to think that this would play over well?
either way, they still should have pre-price dropped it to match the ps4, otherwise it's still being p'ownd
I'm back in the Xbox camp baby!!
Oh you're coming too?!?! MmmmmI'm back in the Xbox camp baby!!
now we can go hang out in halverson'slovecabin and play xbox games!
this sums it up pretty well,QuoteRouger: they did a full 180
right now it just boils down to exclusives and i guess if you really are tied down to your gamertag. also everyone i know that has a 360 has had a rrod (i don't, cuz i have the much later model), why would you chance it?
but why would anyone want xboxone vs ps4?
i mean they're basically the same machine, xbox has the edge in kinect motion crap... but that's all it is, still crap and that's why you're forced to pay a 100 premium, and again i wouldn't mind it i actually have a kinect and i know the next gen kinect will be better, but the games will always be ****.
why? cuz i have 2 left feet, i have zero rhythm, and dance like a white guy. But because i've been gaming all my life, i'm able to beat non gamers who vary from "some dancing" to omg they look awesome, in just dance, because all the game boils down to is "hitting a move", and i have just dance 1/2/3, it's all the same (we got tired of the crappy game play and never bought 4). Now i use just dance as an example, because it's probably the only legitamate game for the kinect besides kinect sports (that comes with it).
right now it just boils down to exclusives and i guess if you really are tied down to your gamertag. also everyone i know that has a 360 has had a rrod (i don't, cuz i have the much later model), why would you chance it?
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i think the "halo" and "bungie" exclusive thing went bust when bungie split from microsoft and went to activision, which publishes games for both platforms. besides halo is now done by 343.
Was never a Halo fan myself. Mostly because I'm horrible at it....
yea that's exactly it. Spend 99% of the time dead.Was never a Halo fan myself. Mostly because I'm horrible at it....
that makes two of us.
never bothered to play MP because i know i'd get owned and rage quit.
yea that's exactly it. Spend 99% of the time dead.Was never a Halo fan myself. Mostly because I'm horrible at it....
that makes two of us.
never bothered to play MP because i know i'd get owned and rage quit.