So when are you selling off all your other stuff?
At first, I thought it looked ridiculous, kind of like those ancient ergo boards of the past. But I just imagined myself typing on one and for some reason the concept started to grow on me. I think if I ever had the funds and time, I might get one someday.
OK, then when are we going to see these produced at a larger scale. If they're great, we need to market them and production needs to be scaled up. Looking at it, there's no reason this should cost much more than a standard keyboard. And I agree that we're clinging to old technology. Even having the arrow keys and numpad on the right seems to be a vestige of days before mice.
People can't imagine a keyboard outside of the rectangle...
People can't imagine a keyboard outside of the rectangle...
I can, but I'm not spending 3 hours building one. If they came pre-assembled and had a return policy, I'd consider ordering.
I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.
I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.
And you can continue to do that. I believe the design is public domain? But realistically, there's likely a much larger market of people who want it or could be convinced to want it if it were pre assembled. And on top of that, economies of scale might make it even cheaper, even before accounting for the value of your time.
I'm going to hold out until a Topre version Ergodox. That would be very nice, there's always hope.
Well of course it would be more popular if it were preassembled. I wouldn't have hesitated to get one for as long as I did if I didn't have to go through the trouble of learning how to solder, purchasing an iron, and doing other prep work for the assembly. Despite of that, I am glad that I ended up putting it together.I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.
And you can continue to do that. I believe the design is public domain? But realistically, there's likely a much larger market of people who want it or could be convinced to want it if it were pre assembled. And on top of that, economies of scale might make it even cheaper, even before accounting for the value of your time.
Well of course it would be more popular if it were preassembled. I wouldn't have hesitated to get one for as long as I did if I didn't have to go through the trouble of learning how to solder, purchasing an iron, and doing other prep work for the assembly. Despite of that, I am glad that I ended up putting it together.I love everything about my ergodox. I especially like the fact that I built it myself.
And you can continue to do that. I believe the design is public domain? But realistically, there's likely a much larger market of people who want it or could be convinced to want it if it were pre assembled. And on top of that, economies of scale might make it even cheaper, even before accounting for the value of your time.
How is it lazy to want specialization of labor and economies of scale to work in your favor. I'm offering to help start a business selling these damn things but I need someone with more specific domain knowledge to work with.
I use a desktop and a laptop, and "maintain" (arrgh, the pain) computers for half a dozen people, so, as I get older, I get more and more resistant to "odd" layouts that confuse my fingers.
One day, when it is just me, and no number-crunching, I intend to ditch the number pad and convert to Colemak.
How? The designs exist. What are essentially prototypes exist. So what it needed is to assess and create demand and figure out what the costs of manufacturing at scale would be and then get some contracts in place. After that, you can probably set up a kickstarter and even people who have never heard of mechanical keyboards would buy one.
And tell me, what are these roadblocks? It's easy to say why something can't be done and just forget about it. Or, you can figure out how to do it. But let me tell you, waiting around won't.
Now, do you want to help, or not?
WTB Titanium case ergodox.
How? The designs exist. What are essentially prototypes exist. So what it needed is to assess and create demand and figure out what the costs of manufacturing at scale would be and then get some contracts in place. After that, you can probably set up a kickstarter and even people who have never heard of mechanical keyboards would buy one.
And tell me, what are these roadblocks? It's easy to say why something can't be done and just forget about it. Or, you can figure out how to do it. But let me tell you, waiting around won't.
Now, do you want to help, or not?
The poison in our system is that schools are teaching typing at an early age on staggered qwerty.... This means we would need an adventurous user to buy this keyboard.
Ontop of that RSI injuries do not occur when you're younger, it's only after years of abusing your own body all through adolescence that you come to the realization that, ****, I need an ergodox...
BY then, You're like the rest of the lazy people making excuses here, oh I don't have the time, it's too much effort... this is the entrenchment of staggered qwerty.
How? The designs exist. What are essentially prototypes exist. So what it needed is to assess and create demand and figure out what the costs of manufacturing at scale would be and then get some contracts in place. After that, you can probably set up a kickstarter and even people who have never heard of mechanical keyboards would buy one.
And tell me, what are these roadblocks? It's easy to say why something can't be done and just forget about it. Or, you can figure out how to do it. But let me tell you, waiting around won't.
Now, do you want to help, or not?
The poison in our system is that schools are teaching typing at an early age on staggered qwerty.... This means we would need an adventurous user to buy this keyboard.
Ontop of that RSI injuries do not occur when you're younger, it's only after years of abusing your own body all through adolescence that you come to the realization that, ****, I need an ergodox...
BY then, You're like the rest of the lazy people making excuses here, oh I don't have the time, it's too much effort... this is the entrenchment of staggered qwerty.
You're really harping on this school thing. It's not as relevant as you think. Remember those weird wave shaped "ergonomic" keyboards by microsoft and the like. Those were popular, and nonstandard. If I remember coorectly, they were quite "fashionable" in the late 90's and early 2000's. Seriously, if you market it well and charge a reasonable price, people will buy it.
But if you just sit around being a "****ing ****less *******" (look it up, I didn't invent it) then nothing will ever change. Now, do you want to help or do you want to sit around talking about what you think can't be done.
It's not a grand scheme.
Personally, I'm a statistician. Well, ok, a grad student. But that's not the point.
I already have one project in the production pipeline. It's not a keyboard, but it is another piece of computer equipment. Prototypes are being built now. It's really all about finding the right people. In that case, PCB design was needed, but this is even easier. I also have a few manufacturing connections.
But more importantly, what I've learned from the other project so far, is that none of that matters. All that matters is that if you have a good idea, and you're friendly but tenacious, people will hear out out. Just go out there and contact people and don't stop until you get an answer. The fact is that there are places that can build this. You just need to talk to them. Then, you can nail down costs. As for surveying the market, doing financial feasibility analysis and whatnot, I have the knowledge and numeracy to do that. And, really, if you're risk averse, you can nail down manufacturing contracts contingent on something like kickstarter. That way, for the fee they charge, you get a little peace of mind knowing that you'll only make it if you sell a minimum quantity.
And by the way, no one's going to get it if you just go around yelling at them about how great it is. You need to show, not tell.
Now, help out or get out of the way. And I think I'm done here. Not upset by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
And if anyone's interested, please PM me.
It's not a grand scheme.
Personally, I'm a statistician. Well, ok, a grad student. But that's not the point.
I already have one project in the production pipeline. It's not a keyboard, but it is another piece of computer equipment. Prototypes are being built now. It's really all about finding the right people. In that case, PCB design was needed, but this is even easier. I also have a few manufacturing connections.
But more importantly, what I've learned from the other project so far, is that none of that matters. All that matters is that if you have a good idea, and you're friendly but tenacious, people will hear out out. Just go out there and contact people and don't stop until you get an answer. The fact is that there are places that can build this. You just need to talk to them. Then, you can nail down costs. As for surveying the market, doing financial feasibility analysis and whatnot, I have the knowledge and numeracy to do that. And, really, if you're risk averse, you can nail down manufacturing contracts contingent on something like kickstarter. That way, for the fee they charge, you get a little peace of mind knowing that you'll only make it if you sell a minimum quantity.
And by the way, no one's going to get it if you just go around yelling at them about how great it is. You need to show, not tell.
Now, help out or get out of the way. And I think I'm done here. Not upset by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
And if anyone's interested, please PM me.
Your agenda and motivation is profit... this is fine...
I don't know why you consider me in the way, if anything I'm doing the promotion for free and out of the fact that i know others suffer wrist and shoulder pain.
My only intention had been to inform.. my only motivation out of charity... if you want to go talk down to someone, talk to someone who's actively harming society... I do not deserve this crap from you..
Don't be so full of yourself.
It's not a grand scheme.
Personally, I'm a statistician. Well, ok, a grad student. But that's not the point.
I already have one project in the production pipeline. It's not a keyboard, but it is another piece of computer equipment. Prototypes are being built now. It's really all about finding the right people. In that case, PCB design was needed, but this is even easier. I also have a few manufacturing connections.
But more importantly, what I've learned from the other project so far, is that none of that matters. All that matters is that if you have a good idea, and you're friendly but tenacious, people will hear out out. Just go out there and contact people and don't stop until you get an answer. The fact is that there are places that can build this. You just need to talk to them. Then, you can nail down costs. As for surveying the market, doing financial feasibility analysis and whatnot, I have the knowledge and numeracy to do that. And, really, if you're risk averse, you can nail down manufacturing contracts contingent on something like kickstarter. That way, for the fee they charge, you get a little peace of mind knowing that you'll only make it if you sell a minimum quantity.
And by the way, no one's going to get it if you just go around yelling at them about how great it is. You need to show, not tell.
Now, help out or get out of the way. And I think I'm done here. Not upset by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
And if anyone's interested, please PM me.
Your agenda and motivation is profit... this is fine...
I don't know why you consider me in the way, if anything I'm doing the promotion for free and out of the fact that i know others suffer wrist and shoulder pain.
My only intention had been to inform.. my only motivation out of charity... if you want to go talk down to someone, talk to someone who's actively harming society... I do not deserve this crap from you..
Don't be so full of yourself.
It's not all profit! This is a GOOD product. And if something is good, why not bring it to market. Profit just provides that little extra push! At least, that's how capitalism is supposed to work.
And I'm sorry, I didn't mean to talk down to you or hurt your feelings. I was just trying to psyche you up into helping out. Either way, good luck with your campaign. It does look like an interesting board. And if it does become a full fledged product, you'd be great as a product evangelist.
well, I have a different experience. not because of my condition you may have just read about either. I can't even hunt and peck on this thing! I just cannot figure it out. it is like trying to do karate with no training. well to be honest I cannot even use a ms natural. the split layout just does not jive with my muscle memory or whatever. in fact I have mentioned many times recently I get the best performance with spherical keys on a qwerty. I do have a problem with modifiers but I can touch type alright. i may have never been really good and just accepted that. if i use the modifiers i slow to like 50wpm. this of course is all me though. i can tell that for a good typist the ergodox is very nice.
Learning how to solder with a 15 dollar radio shack iron really isn't that hard. Watch a YouTube video and you'll have it in like 10 minutes. It should solve your problems...Have to agree with this. This is exactly how I started (I actually think it was emore like $5, gotta love sales), but I went down to my Radio Shack picked up the cheapest soldering iron I could and went to work. I had to work with real small precise solders (Xbox controller) I had to solder a wire to the smallest little pin imaginable (http://"http://prntscr.com/19pufb"), practiced for about 5 minutes on some scraps and went to work.
Laziness is not an excuse for not getting an ergo dox...
Not to derail the thread here, but I think the Kinesis Advantage may be more ergonomic than the Ergodox.
Not to derail the thread here, but I think the Kinesis Advantage may be more ergonomic than the Ergodox.
Kinesis is not open source or user programmable..
Here's my updated layout:MoreShow Image(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m197/jagriff333/ErgoDoxLayout_zpsd6664c22.jpg)
The -_ is positioned so that I can hit it with the same motion as hitting space, which-is-very-appropriate.
I have easy access to ALT+F4 (on ~L1) and ALT+TAB isn't too unnatural.
HJKL (editing purposes) and WASD (screen hotkey purposes, such as WIN+Shift+Left) are arrow keys on the function layer.
Everything else is pretty self-explanatory.
The F1-F8 keys on layer 0 are there just because I cannot think of a better use for those keys.
Kinesis is not open source or user programmable..
One of the models is. Maybe not as fully as dox with all the layers though.
TP: Which stabs did you end up getting? I'm assuming you purchased them from WASD?
i like me ergodox sans stabilizers :D
i tried one out like this on my right space bar, similar method to what you did but i used flush cutters and clipped them, then used some vinyl to make it fit. it wasn't really that i didn't like it it is that i didn't notice a difference, just more sound.
I'll probably use some white lithium grease on the stabs just like I used to with my Filcos
People can't imagine a keyboard outside of the rectangle...
I can, but I'm not spending 3 hours building one. If they came pre-assembled and had a return policy, I'd consider ordering.
Exactly the point. People buy funky shaped "ergonomic" keyboards all the time. Anyway, if anyone actually wants to start a business selling these, let me know and we'll see what can be done. Otherwise, don't complain.
I'll probably use some white lithium grease on the stabs just like I used to with my Filcos
you're gonna have to do some extensive modding or use glue to secure the stabs on the ergodox. acrylic plates are too thick, and the cutouts aren't right either. imo, modding the plates for stabs are too much trouble for too little gain.
op is suffering from extreme buyers remorse and resorts to casting about with expletives in order to feel better about a blundering acquisition.
think outside the split, fail shaped, tenting, programmable rpg kbd box.
op is suffering from extreme buyers remorse and resorts to casting about with expletives in order to feel better about a blundering acquisition.
think outside the split, fail shaped, tenting, programmable rpg kbd box.
If he was having remorse he could sell it for more than he paid in a second.
tp4tissue what caps are you using? dsa? i hear those are the best with the ergodox.
edit: also just commited to massdrop if the ergo goes down to 199
tp4tissue what caps are you using? dsa? i hear those are the best with the ergodox.
edit: also just commited to massdrop if the ergo goes down to 199
I'm using the dsa mods.
But the rest I'm using OEM. I ordered both the DCS and the DSA.. the DCS I felt were harder to type with given the smaller verticle area, making the key-presses require more travel/ precision
The DCS worked better, but then i felt I liked to use my silicon rings which were too thick.. So I put on my old oem pbt-s
The DCS mod is the current best for the 2x thumb keys all dcs/oem/cherry thumb keys are not very good fits because of their slope..
I think the R4 keys would be good but alas they're too tall.
Where can i buy one in North America?I'm guessing here: https://www.massdrop.com/
I think the DSA caps are fine. Just like switches, you really have to try them before you can decide whether or not they're "for you".
I made this for you tp:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5t2S3Au.png)