oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
oh god no.. not this... omg...... good marketing strategy though lol
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
I disagree. Mechanical keyboards can be more accurate especially if you know where the acuation point is on the keypress.
oh god no.. not this... omg...... good marketing strategy though lol
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
oh god no.. not this... omg...... good marketing strategy though lol
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
is that what this is?
well, then this is false marketing..
don't fall for the scam....
while i agree that pro-gaming evolved along side sponsorship,, to claim improved performance due to mechanical keyboards is too outlandish..
It's what first got me into the scene, and now I know better.
You can buy a mechanical keyboard for any number of good reasons..
but GAMING is not one of them.
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
I disagree. Mechanical keyboards can be more accurate especially if you know where the acuation point is on the keypress.
No. go home. you're wrong.
oh god no.. not this... omg...... good marketing strategy though lol
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
is that what this is?
well, then this is false marketing..
don't fall for the scam....
while i agree that pro-gaming evolved along side sponsorship,, to claim improved performance due to mechanical keyboards is too outlandish..
It's what first got me into the scene, and now I know better.
You can buy a mechanical keyboard for any number of good reasons..
but GAMING is not one of them.
Lies and blasphemy. This is specially designed for esport gamers.Show Image(http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/35122654/aview/kc22.jpg)
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
Also this, oftentimes getting better/more gear is not about getting technically better results, it's about enjoying what you're doing a bit more.
Now they can help a bit. But it's akin to giving a good writer (who still writes by hand) a good pen. He may not be able to write very well at all with a mostly empty ballpoint from the junk drawer that writes half the time(a 2kro roll up board) but anything even a little better (a full cheap ballpoint that comes in 10 packs, or a cheap solid dome with 4-6kro for our gamer) will work. The story won't be any better if he gets a fancy fountain pen, but he'll enjoy writing it a lot more.
Now they can help a bit. But it's akin to giving a good writer (who still writes by hand) a good pen. He may not be able to write very well at all with a mostly empty ballpoint from the junk drawer that writes half the time(a 2kro roll up board) but anything even a little better (a full cheap ballpoint that comes in 10 packs, or a cheap solid dome with 4-6kro for our gamer) will work. The story won't be any better if he gets a fancy fountain pen, but he'll enjoy writing it a lot more.
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
oh god no.. not this... omg...I don't think the point of this thread is to equate gaming performance to a particular keyboard, but rather see how effective gaming-oriented keyboard brands' (Razer, Tt, etc) marketing is.
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
This is the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172579) I was thinking of. But I think that Liquipedia article is more up to date.
TT1 and MC have also used RealForce keyboards in competition (SC2 players).
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
Say this to an OSU gamer with a straight face, I dare you, I double dare you...
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
For almost everyone this is true..for some people that can ride an actuation point accurately (which is almost no one) then there might be a SLIGHT advantage but essentially none...
For others they will like the feel of a linear switch for gaming which may make a slight difference in your performance...if it feels better to you and makes more sense to your fingers when you're playing...This can also have a NEGATIVE impact as well..you may respond better to normal keyboards of X make rather than a mechanical...
But for basically everyone else..a gaming keyboard won't make any difference at all..it won't make you play better it won't make you do things any better, any more accurately, etc...
I do think people like the weight and stability a mechanical keyboard gives you...but that can be any keyboard really...
oh god no.. not this... omg...I don't think the point of this thread is to equate gaming performance to a particular keyboard, but rather see how effective gaming-oriented keyboard brands' (Razer, Tt, etc) marketing is.
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
Not surprised you didn't think deeper on it though...
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
For almost everyone this is true..for some people that can ride an actuation point accurately (which is almost no one) then there might be a SLIGHT advantage but essentially none...
For others they will like the feel of a linear switch for gaming which may make a slight difference in your performance...if it feels better to you and makes more sense to your fingers when you're playing...This can also have a NEGATIVE impact as well..you may respond better to normal keyboards of X make rather than a mechanical...
But for basically everyone else..a gaming keyboard won't make any difference at all..it won't make you play better it won't make you do things any better, any more accurately, etc...
I do think people like the weight and stability a mechanical keyboard gives you...but that can be any keyboard really...
doubt it... not a single game out side of fighting and rhythm actually DEPEND on keyboard accuracy...
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
For almost everyone this is true..for some people that can ride an actuation point accurately (which is almost no one) then there might be a SLIGHT advantage but essentially none...
For others they will like the feel of a linear switch for gaming which may make a slight difference in your performance...if it feels better to you and makes more sense to your fingers when you're playing...This can also have a NEGATIVE impact as well..you may respond better to normal keyboards of X make rather than a mechanical...
But for basically everyone else..a gaming keyboard won't make any difference at all..it won't make you play better it won't make you do things any better, any more accurately, etc...
I do think people like the weight and stability a mechanical keyboard gives you...but that can be any keyboard really...
doubt it... not a single game out side of fighting and rhythm actually DEPEND on keyboard accuracy...
you havent played starcraft...
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
I disagree. Mechanical keyboards can be more accurate especially if you know where the acuation point is on the keypress.
they use what they are sponsored with. sort of like legal prostitution. does not mean it is good. put it this way. usually if something is endorsed it sucks. like I would not be using Emeril cookware.
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
For almost everyone this is true..for some people that can ride an actuation point accurately (which is almost no one) then there might be a SLIGHT advantage but essentially none...
For others they will like the feel of a linear switch for gaming which may make a slight difference in your performance...if it feels better to you and makes more sense to your fingers when you're playing...This can also have a NEGATIVE impact as well..you may respond better to normal keyboards of X make rather than a mechanical...
But for basically everyone else..a gaming keyboard won't make any difference at all..it won't make you play better it won't make you do things any better, any more accurately, etc...
I do think people like the weight and stability a mechanical keyboard gives you...but that can be any keyboard really...
doubt it... not a single game out side of fighting and rhythm actually DEPEND on keyboard accuracy...
oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
For almost everyone this is true..for some people that can ride an actuation point accurately (which is almost no one) then there might be a SLIGHT advantage but essentially none...
For others they will like the feel of a linear switch for gaming which may make a slight difference in your performance...if it feels better to you and makes more sense to your fingers when you're playing...This can also have a NEGATIVE impact as well..you may respond better to normal keyboards of X make rather than a mechanical...
But for basically everyone else..a gaming keyboard won't make any difference at all..it won't make you play better it won't make you do things any better, any more accurately, etc...
I do think people like the weight and stability a mechanical keyboard gives you...but that can be any keyboard really...
doubt it... not a single game out side of fighting and rhythm actually DEPEND on keyboard accuracy...
you havent played starcraft...
:D know how I know you're a noob?
This is the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172579) I was thinking of. But I think that Liquipedia article is more up to date.
and this is a nice gallery of pro hardware setups linked in that thread; http://imgur.com/a/ixDhR#0
Using a mech keyboard will not make you a better player.
Using a mech keyboard will not make you a better player.
This is the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172579) I was thinking of. But I think that Liquipedia article is more up to date.
and this is a nice gallery of pro hardware setups linked in that thread; http://imgur.com/a/ixDhR#0
Using a mech keyboard will not make you a better player.
This is the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172579) I was thinking of. But I think that Liquipedia article is more up to date.
and this is a nice gallery of pro hardware setups linked in that thread; http://imgur.com/a/ixDhR#0
That's hot.
Using a mech keyboard will not make you a better player.
You may argue that better underwear won't make you a better runner, but when you're running marathon, every detail in comfort makes a huge difference. I guess it's something like this in top-level esports, and comfort makes sense even in case of casual gaming.
BTW looking at SC2 players' hands, I wonder why they don't use wrist rests. Even looking at those bent wrists sends chills down my spine.
Actually you're completely wrong, you're saying Starcraft 2 and Quake III don't depend on keyboard accuracy. In many (esport) FPS, the way you move can determine if you live or die. Plus the factor of comfort is always there, if you're not comfortable in a eSport level situation you're less likely to win.oh god no.. not this... omg...
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
For almost everyone this is true..for some people that can ride an actuation point accurately (which is almost no one) then there might be a SLIGHT advantage but essentially none...
For others they will like the feel of a linear switch for gaming which may make a slight difference in your performance...if it feels better to you and makes more sense to your fingers when you're playing...This can also have a NEGATIVE impact as well..you may respond better to normal keyboards of X make rather than a mechanical...
But for basically everyone else..a gaming keyboard won't make any difference at all..it won't make you play better it won't make you do things any better, any more accurately, etc...
I do think people like the weight and stability a mechanical keyboard gives you...but that can be any keyboard really...
doubt it... not a single game out side of fighting and rhythm actually DEPEND on keyboard accuracy...
BTW looking at SC2 players' hands, I wonder why they don't use wrist rests. Even looking at those bent wrists sends chills down my spine.
wrist hovering is faster. much much faster.
BTW looking at SC2 players' hands, I wonder why they don't use wrist rests. Even looking at those bent wrists sends chills down my spine.
wrist hovering is faster. much much faster.
That depends on material of the hand rest.
Also agree with tp4 that keyboards don't make you a better gamer, case is so many pro korean SC2 players use the Sammy dt-35. A cheap rubber dome keyboard.
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
i'll let the master explain micro =DYeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
:D micro delay :D
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
But the point is that don't float! There's nothing wrong with floating, but most I've seen keep the wrist resting on the edge of the desk—awkwardly bent.
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
But the point is that don't float! There's nothing wrong with floating, but most I've seen keep the wrist resting on the edge of the desk—awkwardly bent.
http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ (http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ)
from the flash vid it looks like its leaning on the desk, but the way he moves his hands i'd say its just hovering.
They don't actually "rest" their wrist on the desk i don't think
Also i dont think they play with their hands in such a rest position that a wrist rest will help
look at how Rotti plays compared to PhoeNix who isn't even a pro pro lol
http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0 (http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0)
oh and obligatory JD 700R shot
http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY (http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY)
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
But the point is that don't float! There's nothing wrong with floating, but most I've seen keep the wrist resting on the edge of the desk—awkwardly bent.
http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ (http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ)
from the flash vid it looks like its leaning on the desk, but the way he moves his hands i'd say its just hovering.
They don't actually "rest" their wrist on the desk i don't think
Also i dont think they play with their hands in such a rest position that a wrist rest will help
look at how Rotti plays compared to PhoeNix who isn't even a pro pro lol
http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0 (http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0)
oh and obligatory JD 700R shot
http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY (http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY)
Take a look at that album linked above. Or attached pictures. I'll be surprised if they don't have very serious CTS by the age of 30.
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
But the point is that don't float! There's nothing wrong with floating, but most I've seen keep the wrist resting on the edge of the desk—awkwardly bent.
http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ (http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ)
from the flash vid it looks like its leaning on the desk, but the way he moves his hands i'd say its just hovering.
They don't actually "rest" their wrist on the desk i don't think
Also i dont think they play with their hands in such a rest position that a wrist rest will help
look at how Rotti plays compared to PhoeNix who isn't even a pro pro lol
http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0 (http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0)
oh and obligatory JD 700R shot
http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY (http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY)
Take a look at that album linked above. Or attached pictures. I'll be surprised if they don't have very serious CTS by the age of 30.
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
But the point is that don't float! There's nothing wrong with floating, but most I've seen keep the wrist resting on the edge of the desk—awkwardly bent.
http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ (http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ)
from the flash vid it looks like its leaning on the desk, but the way he moves his hands i'd say its just hovering.
They don't actually "rest" their wrist on the desk i don't think
Also i dont think they play with their hands in such a rest position that a wrist rest will help
look at how Rotti plays compared to PhoeNix who isn't even a pro pro lol
http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0 (http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0)
oh and obligatory JD 700R shot
http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY (http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY)
Take a look at that album linked above. Or attached pictures. I'll be surprised if they don't have very serious CTS by the age of 30.
yea... they' sacrifice their wrists, but honestly look at box, he sells out to intel, bangs an snsd member, i think you can retire after something like that...
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
hence the difference in speed between wrist rest vs floating.
They deal with wrist issues because they want to maintain the top performance against the competition
this time difference maybe 0.5 seconds, but those add up in an engagement to maybe a difference of 2-3 seconds if not more
when 1 second micro delay can be the difference between winning against Life or losing, there's the reason why these gamers float.
But the point is that don't float! There's nothing wrong with floating, but most I've seen keep the wrist resting on the edge of the desk—awkwardly bent.
http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ (http://youtu.be/ieXVL9ST0IQ)
from the flash vid it looks like its leaning on the desk, but the way he moves his hands i'd say its just hovering.
They don't actually "rest" their wrist on the desk i don't think
Also i dont think they play with their hands in such a rest position that a wrist rest will help
look at how Rotti plays compared to PhoeNix who isn't even a pro pro lol
http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0 (http://youtu.be/WC9oHqweqf0)
oh and obligatory JD 700R shot
http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY (http://youtu.be/glSiSoAounY)
Take a look at that album linked above. Or attached pictures. I'll be surprised if they don't have very serious CTS by the age of 30.
yea... they' sacrifice their wrists, but honestly look at box, he sells out to intel, bangs an snsd member, i think you can retire after something like that...
if rumors are to be true (which who knows lol) KT Flash makes 500mil Won annually.
yea... they' sacrifice their wrists, but honestly look at box, he sells out to intel, bangs an snsd member, i think you can retire after something like that...if rumors are to be true (which who knows lol) KT Flash makes 500mil Won annually.
Violet uses a realforce 87u 10th Anniversary :O. Anyone else watching dreamhack?Oh I have a question is that one the Topre Realforce 30g? to know if that color exists in 30g version ToTShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3cy6ST3.jpg)
Yeah. DreamLAG.
IIRC EGs were sponsored by Razer, thus probably BW.
Polt is sponsored by CM Storm.
Mechanical keytboards are like a woodworkers tools.
In the hands of a novice, all the best tools in the world will still produce junk. Hand a professional junk tools and he can still turn out good work, but to truly unleash his potential, he needs quality tools.
Yeah, many (if not most) of them have issues with their hands (mostly mousing hands though), yet...
I meant mostly something like the huge hand rest on the SS 7G. You'd at least have your wrist a bit higher. I'm not sure if there are any players with rather short fingers, but that would be an advantage in that case.
MLG Rules are here! (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/mlg/mlg-equipment/) Anything with a macro function is banned or disallowed - which is why the Meka G1 and SteelSeries 6V2 have the Fn key left layout with no macro functionality. Same with the Black Widow TE - that's why it lost the macro functionality.
Sponsorships are about selling products. Professionals are not using mechanical keyboards because they want to or even like them - and it sure as hell doesn't do anything at all for their skills, period. They use what the sponsor tells them to use because the sponsor gives them money and tells them if they want to keep getting money they use this particular product so they can sell more.
(...)
Mechanical doesn't make a damned bit of difference, never has, never will. Either you're good enough to go professional and you use what you like, or you're spending money hand over fist for lies. These are real professionals who are better than anyone here likely ever will be, using two of the worst piles of crap ever made. And beating every other professional player, people at or near their skill level, many with mechanical keyboards.
You're contradicting yourself.
Also, why does viOLet use a realforce then?
Not that i don't agree with you... but that argument does not prove anything IMO. Just because many pros have proven themselves to be better than others who may have been using mechanical keyboards, this does not somehow mean that these players would not perform even better if they had been using a mech keyboard.Mechanical keytboards are like a woodworkers tools.
In the hands of a novice, all the best tools in the world will still produce junk. Hand a professional junk tools and he can still turn out good work, but to truly unleash his potential, he needs quality tools.
You're joking, right? The mythos of "mechanical is better" has been so thoroughly debunked by professional play that to claim it is somehow a "better tool" requires deliberate and willful ignorance.
What, you're going to claim Wendel didn't get to the final with this piece of crap (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823200007) and that vOo isn't using rubber domes here (http://www.delta.tudelft.nl/uploads/images/article/nieuwsinterview/nieuwsinterview_383x548.jpg)? Those are the two in that picture.
Sponsorships are about selling products. Professionals are not using mechanical keyboards because they want to or even like them - and it sure as hell doesn't do anything at all for their skills, period. They use what the sponsor tells them to use because the sponsor gives them money and tells them if they want to keep getting money they use this particular product so they can sell more.
Mechanical doesn't make a damned bit of difference, never has, never will. Either you're good enough to go professional and you use what you like, or you're spending money hand over fist for lies. These are real professionals who are better than anyone here likely ever will be, using two of the worst piles of crap ever made. And beating every other professional player, people at or near their skill level, many with mechanical keyboards.
Check this out for now. It's a listing of gear compiled by Liquipedia. I'll hunt the thread I'm thinking of later.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Pro_gear
If Nestea and MKP a bunch of old BW pros and what not can use the cheapo Sammy/Qsenn dt-35 and win, im 99% sure mech keyboards don't make any big diff whatsoever and its all about sponsorship.
This is the thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172579) I was thinking of. But I think that Liquipedia article is more up to date.Go to page 37 and scroll down to get a kinda updated list instead of the one in the op of that thread.
You're joking, right? The mythos of "mechanical is better" has been so thoroughly debunked by professional play that to claim it is somehow a "better tool" requires deliberate and willful ignorance.A pro is paid to use a product, that proves nothing except that the person was paid to use a product and not one thing you said actually debunks what I said.
The 10th anni only exists in variable or 55g.I wanted to say/ask if it's still on market? or only on ebay, amazon, geekhack etc... ?
You're contradicting yourself.
Also, why does viOLet use a realforce then?
No, I'm not. You're trying to pick things out of context and ignore the facts being presented.
Fact: sponsored teams frequently use specific keyboards because that is what the sponsor dictates, not because they chose that keyboard.
Fact: mechanical versus rubber dome does not make the least bit of difference beyond personal preference at that level of play.
Fact: events can require competitors to use sponsor selected and approved keyboards per MLG rules. Sponsors want to sell their stuff.
Don't like those facts? Too bad. You're entitled to your own opinions - you're not entitled to your own facts. And CPL and MLG records are matters of fact, not opinion. A contest was held. These people won using rubber domes and scissor switches as documented by photographs. MLG established a set of rules and those rules say they can exclude any given keyboard or provide a required keyboard at their discretion.
And I have no clue what you're on about with viOLet using a RealForce having to do with anything I said. Did you read the rules I linked? Also, did you know Azubu Blaze (the LoL group) uses SteelSeries 6GV2, QcK and not sure which SteelSeries mouse (http://s.sk-gaming.com/image/image/484bdef59a9d29dbl.jpg)? But then on the competition stage, everybody has Razer BlackWidow (http://s.sk-gaming.com/image/image/f2bc4da7270f29dcl.jpg). Why? Presumably because Razer was a headline sponsor of the event and wanted their equipment on stage.
Maybe viOLet wanted to use a BlackWidow but the SC2 Open banned that model so it was his backup. Maybe he was testing it out. Maybe their sponsorship contract with Razer doesn't require use of specific equipment - I would presume it doesn't given Azubu Blaze openly uses SteelSeries. Hell, maybe he was borrowing it from someone else or maybe they were in talks with Topre about a sponsorship contract. You'd have to ask viOLet why he was using the RealForce to know why, either way.
by the way violet is so good at acting ;D such an actor
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You claiming that (1) keyboards do not matter and (2) pros use keyboards based on their sponsorship. Why would a player use a limited edition of a $200 keyboard instead of something much cheaper? Some players (e.g. Flash) are extremely sensitive about their setup.
BTW Hyun is playing with a keyboard that looks like a Gigabyte GK-K8000. See those macro keys?
by the way violet is so good at acting ;D such an actor
Wow, did I miss myself pissing in your cornflakes or something?
BTW Hyun is playing with a keyboard that looks like a Gigabyte GK-K8000. See those macro keys?Hyun has said many many times on stream that he uses the Skydigital nKeyboard Mechanic-2.
oh god no.. not this... omg...I don't think the point of this thread is to equate gaming performance to a particular keyboard, but rather see how effective gaming-oriented keyboard brands' (Razer, Tt, etc) marketing is.
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
Not surprised you didn't think deeper on it though...
No, it is you who is shallow minded and a dummy.
ShakeR the op's primary concern is not keyboards, he primarily cares about selling them... This is why this thread is a thinly veiled advertisement campaign...
I do think ShakeR is a good guy overall, but even then he should not be doing this....
I'm not against advertising, as long as your claims are true... but to tie better keyboard to better performance in gaming is corruption...
oh god no.. not this... omg...I don't think the point of this thread is to equate gaming performance to a particular keyboard, but rather see how effective gaming-oriented keyboard brands' (Razer, Tt, etc) marketing is.
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
Not surprised you didn't think deeper on it though...
No, it is you who is shallow minded and a dummy.
ShakeR the op's primary concern is not keyboards, he primarily cares about selling them... This is why this thread is a thinly veiled advertisement campaign...
I do think ShakeR is a good guy overall, but even then he should not be doing this....
I'm not against advertising, as long as your claims are true... but to tie better keyboard to better performance in gaming is corruption...
1) A little harsh on Jabar.
2) Not sure what I would be 'thinly advertising' since our bread and butter is Ducky and they sponsor zero pro gamers last I checked.
I actually find this interesting as I personally competed in some pro gaming tournaments myself when I was younger. It is intriguing to me which models (especially those sponsored by brands with multiple switch types or have no sponsors at all) the pros prefer.
Unless you are a pro gamer, you cannot claim that better hardware makes no difference on performance. Can Stephano crank out 400+ APM on a Logitech rubber dome? Maybe... but it sure as hell wouldn't be as easy as Cherry Reds. We're not talking about polling rates here... Riding the actuation point like some of these guys do is an incredibly rare / hard to develop skill. I'm not sure what you find so outlandish about this claim.
i don't usually agree with tp4 as i think he trolololo majority of the time, but yeah this is marketing drive frankly
OP did the same post on his Mechkey FB page.
Also agree with tp4 that keyboards don't make you a better gamer, case is so many pro korean SC2 players use the Sammy dt-35. A cheap rubber dome keyboard.
^ Whether it's 'Riding actuation points' or jumping back and forth between keys. How can 'you people' argue that a more consistent actuation point is irrelevant?
TP4 -- are you a pro SC2 gamer - yes or no?i don't usually agree with tp4 as i think he trolololo majority of the time, but yeah this is marketing drive frankly
OP did the same post on his Mechkey FB page.
Also agree with tp4 that keyboards don't make you a better gamer, case is so many pro korean SC2 players use the Sammy dt-35. A cheap rubber dome keyboard.
Lol @ this 'marketing drive'. Too many conspiracy theorists on this forum. Posting the same question on GH and FB is somehow additional evidence that this isn't a sincere question that I would like the community's help in answering? 4 pages of responses in a few days must mean some one is interested in the topic... Next time I post outside Vendor Forums I'll be sure to include a coupon code so I can live up to the stereotype lol
Good point about Sammy dt-35! I did not know that.
Hmm... today I learned that there's a TKL Razer Black Widow.
oh god no.. not this... omg...I don't think the point of this thread is to equate gaming performance to a particular keyboard, but rather see how effective gaming-oriented keyboard brands' (Razer, Tt, etc) marketing is.
MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE IN GAMING PERFORMANCE....
Not surprised you didn't think deeper on it though...
No, it is you who is shallow minded and a dummy.
ShakeR the op's primary concern is not keyboards, he primarily cares about selling them... This is why this thread is a thinly veiled advertisement campaign...
I do think ShakeR is a good guy overall, but even then he should not be doing this....
I'm not against advertising, as long as your claims are true... but to tie better keyboard to better performance in gaming is corruption...
1) A little harsh on Jabar.
2) Not sure what I would be 'thinly advertising' since our bread and butter is Ducky and they sponsor zero pro gamers last I checked.
I actually find this interesting as I personally competed in some pro gaming tournaments myself when I was younger. It is intriguing to me which models (especially those sponsored by brands with multiple switch types or have no sponsors at all) the pros prefer.
Unless you are a pro gamer, you cannot claim that better hardware makes no difference on performance. Can Stephano crank out 400+ APM on a Logitech rubber dome? Maybe... but it sure as hell wouldn't be as easy as Cherry Reds. We're not talking about polling rates here... Riding the actuation point like some of these guys do is an incredibly rare / hard to develop skill. I'm not sure what you find so outlandish about this claim.
Hmm... today I learned that there's a TKL Razer Black Widow.
Grubby's Grubby with a backlit tenkeyless? Is that Ducky Shine?
I'm a huge Starcraft fan, and I know likely every PC pro gamer uses a mechanical keyboard. However, as hard as I strain to see in some streams, it's often hard to tell their exact model.
Anyone know the exact model keyboard used by any PC pro gamers?
I'll start it off...
WhiteRa (Starcraft 2) -- Tt eSPORTS MEKA G1 w/ Black MX (not sure if modified)
Please. Mechanical Keyboards are better for gaming, and everything else.
My previous carbon-pad membrane board died a horrible slow death and 2 rows of keys would no longer work.
(Its hard to play when ONE of those rows includes the UP arrow...)
This failure mode is IMPOSSIBLE in a NKRO Mechanical switch keyboard.
Each key is matrix scanned individually - a carbon pad matrix can have whole rows/columns fail when it gets dirty or contaminated.
No to say a single key switch can't fail - but at least they can be individually repaired or replaced if damaged.
The majority of this thread is based on rts and mmo's. I play counterstrike and I am not a pro by any stretch. But 6kro+ does help.
At an olympic level, it maters how aerodynamic a persons clothes are. Even if it only makes a fraction of a second difference, the people are so good and so close in skill that .001 seconds means something.
The difference fancy keyboards and mice make gaming wise is that. It's shaving your arm hair to reduce drag. It helps, but not to the point it matters in most people.
Right - That's why elite gamers uses aluminum free deodorant because aluminum contamination reduce neurotransmitter speed and accuracy.
They also shave palm hairs to limit the risk of having some falling in the switches and interfering with actuation contacts.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hair%20to%20grow%20on%20the%20palm%20of%20your%20hand (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hair%20to%20grow%20on%20the%20palm%20of%20your%20hand)At an olympic level, it maters how aerodynamic a persons clothes are. Even if it only makes a fraction of a second difference, the people are so good and so close in skill that .001 seconds means something.
The difference fancy keyboards and mice make gaming wise is that. It's shaving your arm hair to reduce drag. It helps, but not to the point it matters in most people.
TIL: Pro-Gamers wear deodorant.
Neurotransmitters on the surface of skin? Did not realize that aluminum slowed bodily functions :o
NKRO:
2/3/4 Player games on a SINGLE KEYBOARD.
Next up, you'd say nobody plays DOS games.
If this argument can be won, I just won it.
NKRO:
2/3/4 Player games on a SINGLE KEYBOARD.
Next up, you'd say nobody plays DOS games.
If this argument can be won, I just won it.
Something just doesn't fit in my mind with 4 guys all with their hands on one keyboard