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Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: bigpook on Sat, 23 August 2008, 22:15:01
There are so many opinions here at geekhack. Each keyboard, each switch, have their pro's and con's.

Here are my 3 favorite keyboards.

1.)  As of right now that honor goes to the IBM model M mini.
          It is well built, has buckling springs and does not have a num pad.
          The con's for me are that the particular mini I have does not work
          so well with my KVM. Its really just an annoyance, but it always
          happens at the worst possible time : (
         
2.)  Second choice goes to the Unicomp space saver.
          While it does have a numpad, that is only because Unicomp does not
          offer a keyboard that is buckling spring without a numpad.
          The con here is the numpad. While the form factor could be smaller
          this keyboard is almost perfect.


3.)  My third choice is the classic Model M. The 1391401. Most of us here      
          have one. It is a true classic.
          The con here, like above is the numpad and the massive size. Its not a
          problem if you have the desk space but could be a problem for some.
          I like to think of this keyboard as the Buick of keyboards.
          An electra-glide with tail fins and lots of chrome : )



The problem with the above list is that they are all BS keyboards. I know I need to broaden my horizons. And I have tried. But so far these are the best examples going for me.

My dream keyboard, which will probably never be made, would be buckling spring with a HHKB form factor ( If not the HHKB form factor  then perhaps a reworked model m mini design.) The idea is to keep it small.

 I would have the small form factor, no numpad, and the BS keys that are time tested, mature and proven. As an added bonus, the phantom keyboard manufacturer would offer a range of springs to choose from, you could have a light, medium and heavy spring. Throw in some usb ports, detachable cord( usb or ps2) and call it done. Having a choice of springs would be so cool.
Throw in some USB ports while you are at it, what the heck, I am just dreaming.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: bhtooefr on Sat, 23 August 2008, 22:21:54
Ugh, this one's difficult. There aren't three keyboards that I'd consider my favorites, because my horizons aren't broad enough... and my two favorites, they trade off differently. I USE the Unicomp more because of the pointing stick and Windows keys, so that'll be #1, I guess.

#1: Unicomp EnduraPro 104 USB
Pros: USB, Windows keys (nice for a Mac,) pointing stick.
Cons: Key feel could be a bit crisper, pointing stick could be a bit better.

#2: 1993 1391401
Pros: Best. Feeling. Keyboard. I've ever typed on.
Cons: No Windows keys, no pointing stick, PS/2.

Dream keyboard: IBM Model M2, sans numpad, with Windows keys, a TrackPoint IV, and USB. Oh, and make the thing feel as close to a lightly-sprung 1391401 as possible. That thing would be the ultimate laptop bag keyboard.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: meltie on Sun, 24 August 2008, 06:54:44
1. IBM Model M 1390133 from 1986 (feels better than all the younger Model Ms I own)
2. Cherry G80-3000 clicky, with blue switches
3. Cherry eVolution Stream (notebook-like keys with scissor switches)

Since there are a lot of keyboards I'd like to own its hard to name my Dream Keyboard. It would be a Das Keyboard III or a Model M-13 in black or a G80-3000 in black with blue switches and USB.

meltie
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: graywolf on Sun, 24 August 2008, 09:35:39
Who has three decent keyboards?

1. Model M
2. nothing I currently own
3. Ditto 2

Dream keyboard? Funny you should ask. How about just the typewriter section of a Model M with basically the HHKB keylay out but with two function keys where the Ctrl keys are now, so you can hold a function key and type with the other hand (altenative would be a two stroke function like you can set Thinkpads for, touch the function key and the next keypress is a function). I have in the past remapped ctrl-I, ctrl-j, ctrl-k, and ctrl-l as curser keys and like that pretty well. A trackpoint would be a nice option. And the membrane switches could be converted to capacitive switches. I would also like for the springs to be interchangeable so one could have the exact combination of pressure, feedback, and sound one liked. Since sometimes the cap lock is handy, I would set it up as function+shift. I have always preferred the big L-shape enter key but I do not see how it would fit on a minimalist keyboard like this, sigh! I would make the keyboard completely remappable so it could be used with just about any language or layout. So, we are talking about the best of three worlds a hybrid of a Model-M and a HHKB, and completely customizable.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: iMav on Sun, 24 August 2008, 11:00:52
My top three keyboards (that I own):

1. HHKB Pro 2.  It's actually a hybrid between a black Pro 2 and a white Pro (1)...but all the meaningful parts are from the Pro 2.  Superior layout, great portability, built-in USB hub, great feel.  There's nothing else like it.

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/hhkb-1-2-12.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/hhkb-1-2-12-big.jpg)

2. Model M 84-key spacesaver (assembled Aug 2007 by Unicomp).  Hate numpads, love buckling springs.  This one has the two-piece keys (separate keycaps), which is pretty rare for the Model M minis.

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/modelmmini-sale-7.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/modelmmini-sale-7-big.jpg)

3. Unicomp Mighty Mouse.  Short throw, decent key layout, nice integrated trackpoint (better than the Endurapro), has a passthrough PS/2 port so you can plug a PS/2 external mouse into it, uses what I call buckling rubber sleeves which I think are a blast to type on.  

(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/mightymouse-sale-1.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/mightymouse-sale-1-big.jpg)


I love the blue-stemmed Cherry switches on my SMK-88...however the short right shift key keeps it from being in my top 3.  The Cherry 4100's are fun to type on, but again, I have the same issue with their short right shift keys.  All my other keyboards have numpads, so I can't in good conscious put them in my top 3.  ;)

As far as a dream keyboard...the HHKB Pro 2 is pretty darned close.  I think a blue Cherry version with optional trackpoint would be pretty nice.  One with buckling springs would be nice as well.  I am so hooked on the HHKB layout now that even if the new mighty mouse came out, it would not displace my HHKB as my daily driver.  (but I would certainly have to own one)
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: lowpoly on Sun, 24 August 2008, 15:51:53
I only use my HHKB Pro. Love the form factor. So that would be #1 for now.

I think I'd put the Cherry ErgoPlus on #2. The few moments I played with it were very promising.

#3 would be my Toshiba mod. If it had a decent case.

Quote from: iMav;7799
I think a blue Cherry version with optional trackpoint would be pretty nice.
^^^ My current project. Not sure if the Trackpoint will fit though.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: xsphat on Sun, 24 August 2008, 21:41:44
My favorite keyboards:

1. Macally MK96.
Pros: The Alps clickys are so nice to type on, way lighter than the Model M, way smaller, the goofy layout isn't that bad, and it's so damn loud.
Cons: It's so damn loud.

My second favorite keyboard is the Model M Mini, for now it's the gray logo but the blue one is catching up fast as I break it in.
Pros: Mad street cred. buckling springs are very nice, and the build quality, while not as good as a 1391401, is really good. And I don't bottom out nearly as much.
Cons: Personal — I am not yet used to the force it takes to type. Give me a bit and we'll talk more about this.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: xsphat on Sun, 24 August 2008, 21:43:46
And my dream keyboard is the Topre 86. M mini layout, it would remap as easy as the Filco and looks so good and feels like the HHKB Pros. Gets me moist.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Waves77 on Sun, 24 August 2008, 21:51:32
Quote from: xsphat;7838
Pros: Mad street cred.


:rolleyes:
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Waves77 on Sun, 24 August 2008, 22:11:44
Tough choice... I might update it after I get to see what the fuzz about the HHKB Pro is all about, but for now:

1) Filco FKB 104M/EB (brown cherries). AWESOME feeling keyswitches, can be bought new (unlike model M's), very nice quality components all around, not too loud, so can be used in pretty much any setting. Did I say I love those switches? ;)

2) Model M. Build like a tank, will outlive any other keyboard I own, even being 20 years older than anything new. If you type fast you can build a wall of sound that keep people away when you are working (big plus).  Can be found for quite cheap (I would say the best dollar quality ratio by far compared to most other options). Highly functional despite not being the best looking one of the bunch :)

3) Probably the Macally 96 - very nice feel to those alps, or my dell at101w.

My dream keyboard... a keyboard without frills (no usb ports), detachable usb cable (why oh why does only the HHKB pro have it?), attention to quality control (little details like soldering on the inside - looking at you Scorpius ;)). To be sold with different switches so I could get one with BS and one with browns. Easy to take apart and clean (like a model M).

The Filco is closest to perfection for now. My favorite all around switches (for different moods and different tasks), love the feel of the enclosure (kinda like the exterior of thinkpads), has a numpad. Only complaints are non-detachable cable and brightness of the leds (see my review).
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Chuque on Mon, 25 August 2008, 01:43:36
I too am a big fan of the Model M BS keys.  I have tried a few others and the only thing that comes close are the really old Alps.

so
1.) My Model M 84-key spacesaver
2.) My Model M 1391401 (that I use at the office much to the joy of my co-workers)

I have yet to try out a the HHKB Pro 2 but the layout looks downright enticing.  I would also love to get my hands on the Model M15  if for no other reason that being a south paw having the arrows on the "right" side would be lovely.

As far as my Dream keyboard I would like something like the model M Spacesaver but wireless/Bluetooth  in black w/ black lettering like the HHKB Pro 2
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Korbin on Mon, 25 August 2008, 03:25:03
1) HHKB Pro 2 - Key layout is genious. The control key position alone has brought a great deal of efficiency to my everyday program writing ( given the number of shorcut keys that I use everyday).
Con: You have to use the shift-F10 to get the context key in windows instead of having one key like on standard boards.

2) Filco tenkeyless FKBN87M - Brown swiches without the useless num pad.

3)For now it would have to be the board that seems like I'm the only one that likes - SteelSeries 7G. While cherry blacks aren't that great for regular typing they are great for games that require rapid key sucessive key presses. It's a good switch for actuating slowly and holding down (running in games) instead of the fast "finger flick" that is typical when typing.
Con: Not necessarily good for all around use like the browns IMO.

Dream: HHKB with a context menu key :P
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 25 August 2008, 03:38:20
I'm glad you're happy with the 7G, and I'm glad you found a use for the Cherry blacks. I found the only way I could stand them for regular typing was if I just hammered the keys bottoming out hard, but what the hell does that accomplish?

The switch is really popular, so I knew there was something to it I totally missed.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: sashomasho on Mon, 25 August 2008, 06:49:13
this question should be asked again after 6-12 months, so that we will be able to see how the trends are then.

for now my list is topped by hhkb pro: the small factor, the keyfeel, all in this piece of plastic screams "i'm too sexy..."
cons: i need 5 to 10 minutes of typing on it in the morning to be able to use pgup/pgdown and home/end without making errors (not much of a problem in the afternoon though :) )

2. filco 104m/eb - i like the brown cherries and the quality build, it's solid and delicate at the same time....
cons: too big to stay on my desk...

3. macally 96 and 1391401, and i know that these do not go along very well but i like them for being loud, bad and clicky.
cons: macally has a strange layout, and my ibm is far too big to be used as an everyday workhorse.

my dream keyboard stays on a korean store shelf, come on topre, gives us a  realforce spacesaver with us/english layout...
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Ulysses31 on Mon, 25 August 2008, 07:19:26
You'd think they'd get right on making an english layout version, with the potential huge market available to them.  I have no decent keyboards so I can't really participate in this thread *slaps head*.  In decision-making limbo until I can actually try out some of these which seems pretty unlikely at the moment.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: graywolf on Mon, 25 August 2008, 09:25:22
Quote from: Chuque;7852
I would also love to get my hands on the Model M15  if for no other reason that being a south paw having the arrows on the "right" side would be lovely.

As a righty, I think you have that backwards. The standard layout is actually a left-handed keyboard. The so-called left-handed keyboards are right handed. After all if you are a typist you want to keep your master hand on the typing keys. Try a little experiment (all of you) with you hands on the keyboard close your eyes, then remove you master hand and put it back, then do it with the other hand. If you are at all like me the master fumbles just a bit, but the other hand goes exactly into place. I think that  is because the other hand references to the master hand, but the master hand has to work without reference.

Also having a short move to your pointing device is nice instead of having to reach all the way across the control and number pads.

About the only ones who I can imagine liking the usual layout, other than just being used to it, are accountants and bookkeepers, they push the keyboard to the far left of the desk and use their left hand on the ten-key while using a pencil in their right hand. To the rest of us it is just a nuisance.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 25 August 2008, 11:01:57
Quote from: Ulysses31;7889
In decision-making limbo until I can actually try out some of these which seems pretty unlikely at the moment.

Until the Geekhack keyboard conference.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 25 August 2008, 11:12:01
1) Model M (fullsize)
2) My other Model M :)
3) Northgate Evolution (very close second)

My dream kb is the Model M15.  I wouldn't change a thing (maybe if it were made by IBM instead of Lexmark, but that might be splitting hairs).
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: iMav on Mon, 25 August 2008, 14:50:42
Quote from: xsphat;7905
Until the Geekhack keyboard conference.


Where is that this year?  I forget . . .

(keep ashort away from the punch bowl this time!)
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: xsphat on Mon, 25 August 2008, 17:06:23
:)
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: FunkTrooper on Mon, 25 August 2008, 19:21:39
Dammit, I don't have any vaguely respactable keyboards.

Dream keyboard: well that would have to be the HHKB2 Pro. But I can't afford that. I think I'll have to settle for a Unicomp Customizer, when I get the money.  Not that there's anything wrong with one of those -- I would love to have a buckling spring keyboard.  I just don't like the size.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: ashort on Mon, 25 August 2008, 19:32:27
Quote from: iMav;7911
Where is that this year?  I forget . . .

(keep ashort away from the punch bowl this time!)
WHAT?  What did I do that I don't remember THIS time?
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Chuque on Tue, 26 August 2008, 00:18:08
Quote from: graywolf;7895
As a righty, I think you have that backwards. The standard layout is actually a left-handed keyboard.


I use a M-mini at home and I have plenty of desk space for my full size M at work. (Only because I haven't got a 2nd mini) I also Mouse left handed. so I am very comfortable with "re-homing" my master hand.  I have tried over the years to start mousing with my right hand and it never works out.  I couldn't imagine useing a "left handed keyboard" having to deal with all that extra stuff in the way like all the "normal"  people do every day.

Also , the M15 .. is just  pretty cool
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Eclairz on Tue, 26 August 2008, 15:10:16
Hmmm well my favourite keyboards is

Cherry G80-3000 Clicky blues
Macally MK96 white alps
Cherry G80-3000 browns/blue (modified by myself)

The thing is if we ever do ask this question in a years time, how many keyboards will you buy by then, I for one am only saving for the hhkb pro2 and may take up all my keyboard budget for the next two years
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: bigpook on Tue, 26 August 2008, 15:15:42
Thats a good point, we can revisit this in 6 months or whatever, as things do change. Its just a snapshot of the moment, and its interesting to see where people are at right now. The future, of course, is yet to be determined : )
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: ashort on Tue, 26 August 2008, 15:22:43

I am wishing for a Modular Mac Keyboard from DSI when it comes out, but I am afraid that the layout will be my achilles on that one, like it was with the blue cherried smk-88.  Also considering an SMK-85 for a portable board, or (if it ever comes out) a BS Mighty Mouse.  If it doesn't come out, the BS will come to mean something other than Buckling Spring.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 26 August 2008, 15:38:03
Quote
The thing is if we ever do ask this question in a years time, how many keyboards will you buy by then, I for one am only saving for the hhkb pro2 and may take up all my keyboard budget for the next two years


Since there is a dearth of mechanical, ergonomic 'boards, I am probably going to buy another 1-2 Evolutions, and call it quits (unless a company offers a compelling product, but I doubt that is going to happen).
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: xsphat on Tue, 26 August 2008, 16:59:40
From the way this thread is going, it looks like it will still be active in six months.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 26 August 2008, 17:11:52
Quote from: xsphat;7969
From the way this thread is going, it looks like it will still be active in six months.


Yeah, this one might need a sticky... but not StickyKeys.

*rimshot*

Fail.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Korbin on Thu, 28 August 2008, 09:28:17
Quote from: xsphat;7880
I'm glad you're happy with the 7G, and I'm glad you found a use for the Cherry blacks. I found the only way I could stand them for regular typing was if I just hammered the keys bottoming out hard, but what the hell does that accomplish?

The switch is really popular, so I knew there was something to it I totally missed.


Well, the reasons that I mentioned why blacks would be good still applies to the HHKB and the browns. Personally, I think the browns are a better option for gaming. But blacks are more popular than any other switch.... especially with a name like steelseries (big into gaming) making a board with them.

However, as most of us americans know, getting a hold of browns or the HHKB is little more difficult and you have to know where to look (pretty tough if you aren't a geekhack member :P). The keyboards that I own that has black switches were all bought before I got my HHKB's and filco board.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: lowpoly on Thu, 28 August 2008, 10:05:15
Quote
But blacks are more popular than any other switch.... especially with a name like steelseries (big into gaming) making a board with them
The black switch is popular because it is marketed as Cherry's standard switch. If you visit your dentist here you'll most likely see a Cherry keyboard at the reception desk. The black switch is the one with the least potential problems. Less accidental typing because the spring is stronger than the brown's. No noise that anybody could complain about and highest life cycle.

Steelkeys are a niche market compared to offices, health sector, authorities, etc.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Korbin on Thu, 28 August 2008, 10:26:40
Quote from: sofa king;8014
The black switch is popular because it is marketed as Cherry's standard switch. If you visit your dentist here you'll most likely see a Cherry keyboard at the reception desk. The black switch is the one with the least potential problems. Less accidental typing because the spring is stronger than the brown's. No noise that anybody could complain about and highest life cycle.

Steelkeys are a niche market compared to offices, health sector, authorities, etc.


Actually I was refering to thier popularity based on gaming. Deck, SteelSeries, Raptor.... all gaming based boards. But yeah, I see your point.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: graywolf on Thu, 28 August 2008, 11:12:54
Quote from: Korbin;8018
Actually I was refering to thier popularity based on gaming. Deck, SteelSeries, Raptor.... all gaming based boards. But yeah, I see your point.


I think that is the real market for linear keyswitches, when you think of it gamers do not care about the feel all they care is that when they bang them hard they work. In fact I think you have to be a touch typist with a bit of experience on various keyboards to care much about what a key feels like.

A kind of interesting aside, decades back when I did some COBOL there were exactly two of us in the shop who could type. We would type out our code to hand to the keypunch girls (for some strange unknown reason all the keypunch operators were women), all the rest of the programmers scribbled their code on code sheets. Needless to say the keypunch girls loved us best.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Waves77 on Thu, 28 August 2008, 12:04:08
Quote from: graywolf;8021
We would type out our code to hand to the keypunch girls (for some strange unknown reason all the keypunch operators were women),


Proof that not everything in IT has evolved for the better. At least there were girls around back then (at least more than now) ;)

Cobol was actually the first proper language I learned after basic when I was a teenager, developed a video store management system in it... good times :)
Title: where I am at now
Post by: bigpook on Mon, 24 November 2008, 19:17:54
My top three have changed, and its only been a few months.

I am thinking right now, its the HHKB which is probably the best keyboard going right now but right behind it would be the filco tenless. Number 3 is my unicomp spacesaver. The unicomp would be number one if not for the numpad.

I have a model m mini which is near perfection but I have issues with it when used with a KVM.

I am liking the filco tenless as the layout allows my hands to move, I have to reach for the arrow keys and the up/down keys. This is where the HHKB shines though as you don't leave the home row. But after many hours my hands start to cramp up.
The filco and unicomp/ibm mini allow my hands to move a bit which relieves the cramping. YMMV of course.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: iMav on Mon, 24 November 2008, 23:56:57
Quote from: bigpook;12308
I am thinking right now, its the HHKB which is probably the best keyboard going right now but right behind it would be the filco tenless. Number 3 is my unicomp spacesaver. The unicomp would be number one if not for the numpad.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...those Filco 'boards are great!  As far as fit and finish are concerned, they are tops.

My top three has changed as well.

1 - HHKB Pro 2 - My HHKB 'board stays at number one.  Probably the best compliment I can give to this keyboard is that I don't even realize it is there when I use it.  I am one with the computer; there is nothing about the keyboard that is distracting...it draws no attention to itself; it simply provides the perfect interface between me and my computer.

2 - IBM M4-1 - I've been using one of these on my work laptop for a while now and really like the feel of them.  Very old school Thinkpad-ish.  Short throw and very firm.  I actually have three of these that I recently got NIB (and have gotten rid of the two used ones I had to share the M4-1 experience with others).  :)  

3 - Model M mini - Still love my Model M mini.  Although, it hasn't gotten much use lately.  

Basically, I just swapped 2 and 3 due to my current obsession with all things M4-1.  It will likely pass...but for now I'm really having fun with them.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Qwertyuiop on Tue, 25 November 2008, 00:08:37
I haven't used enough that I like to have a top three; my favorite is a full-size Model M. Unlike many here, I like numeric keypads and actually use them. :o I guess I prefer my 1391401 with the black/gray label over later versions, but I don't find the differences in feel that noticable after a few minutes.

Like iMav, I like the feel of the M4-1. I used to have one of those but it had a key that stuck and I didn't know how to get it fixed so I sold it. This was my only experience with a trackpoint; I don't know if mine was typical but I didn't like using that at all. I guess the Unicomp Mighty Mite without the trackpoint would be better for me.

I bought a Filco with the brown switches but found that I hated it. I don't like the way the keys wobble a bit and something about the nature of typing on it aggravated my CTS; my accuracy went down as well.

The Apple Adjustable mentioned in the sig I've never actually used as I've never gotten around to getting an iMate so I can use it.

I wouldn't mind trying a Topre or some of the others popular here, but I'm unwilling to spend so much on another keyboard that I may well not like or be able to use.


Many years ago my brother had an IBM L40sx laptop. At the time I loved the feel of its keyboard; while it was many years later when I got the M4-1, I believe it was the same as that on the L40sx. A picture of that laptop is on this page: http://www.almeida.de/edocs/ibml40sxe.htm
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: iMav on Tue, 25 November 2008, 00:18:48
Quote from: Qwertyuiop;12322
my favorite is a full-size Model M. Unlike many here, I like numeric keypads and actually use them.
That's a good preference as you can always find decent ones on eBay for cheap.  Additionally, you've got Unicomp's line of full-sized Model M's as well.  

Quote from: Qwertyuiop;12322
Like iMav, I like the feel of the M4-1. I used to have one of those but it had a key that stuck and I didn't know how to get it fixed so I sold it. This was my only experience with a trackpoint; I don't know if mine was typical but I didn't like using that at all. I guess the Unicomp Mighty Mite without the trackpoint would be better for me.
Unicomp also has the separate numpads available as well, so there is always that option for you.  

Quote from: Qwertyuiop;12322
I bought a Filco with the brown switches but found that I hated it. I don't like the way the keys wobble a bit and something about the nature of typing on it aggravated my CTS; my accuracy went down as well.
Interesting.  I've never heard anyone characterize the Cherry keys a wobbly.  The Alps keys are definitely susceptible  as they get warn in...but the "cross hairs" interface between the keycap and Cherry switch seems to be keep wobble to a minimum.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: xsphat on Tue, 25 November 2008, 01:32:11
My top three are the same :eek:

Check my sig.
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Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 25 November 2008, 03:51:50
Myself, I found that the trick to the TrackPoint is to crank the pointer speed and sensitivity to the max. :) Then, it actually becomes easier to use. Flick it across the screen (well, on 1400x1050, you don't so much flick it as hold it hard for a second,) or give light pressure for precise movements.

(Of course, the TrackPoint II won't let you crank sensitivity up...)
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: Bluemercury on Tue, 25 November 2008, 04:54:43
Quote from: iMav;7799
My top three keyboards (that I own):

1. HHKB Pro 2.  It's actually a hybrid between a black Pro 2 and a white Pro (1)...but all the meaningful parts are from the Pro 2.  Superior layout, great portability, built-in USB hub, great feel.  There's nothing else like it.

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(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/hhkb-1-2-12.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/hhkb-1-2-12-big.jpg)


2. Model M 84-key spacesaver (assembled Aug 2007 by Unicomp).  Hate numpads, love buckling springs.  This one has the two-piece keys (separate keycaps), which is pretty rare for the Model M minis.

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(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/modelmmini-sale-7.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/modelmmini-sale-7-big.jpg)


3. Unicomp Mighty Mouse.  Short throw, decent key layout, nice integrated trackpoint (better than the Endurapro), has a passthrough PS/2 port so you can plug a PS/2 external mouse into it, uses what I call buckling rubber sleeves which I think are a blast to type on.  

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(http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/mightymouse-sale-1.jpg) (http://www.uhhh.org/~lherzog/blog-images/mightymouse-sale-1-big.jpg)



I love the blue-stemmed Cherry switches on my SMK-88...however the short right shift key keeps it from being in my top 3.  The Cherry 4100's are fun to type on, but again, I have the same issue with their short right shift keys.  All my other keyboards have numpads, so I can't in good conscious put them in my top 3.  ;)

As far as a dream keyboard...the HHKB Pro 2 is pretty darned close.  I think a blue Cherry version with optional trackpoint would be pretty nice.  One with buckling springs would be nice as well.  I am so hooked on the HHKB layout now that even if the new mighty mouse came out, it would not displace my HHKB as my daily driver.  (but I would certainly have to own one)



That HHKP2 looks wicked, how does the HHKP1 compares??any photos of the original?
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Post by: iMav on Tue, 25 November 2008, 05:07:41
Quote from: Bluemercury;12348
That HHKP2 looks wicked, how does the HHKP1 compares??any photos of the original?

Check it (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=242)

(disregard xsphat's broken image links...he knows how much I hate that!!)   ;)

Here (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=2257) are some more pics of both 'boards before the conversion.  HHKB owners/fans might want to check out the entire thread (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=181) as well.
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Post by: Qwertyuiop on Tue, 25 November 2008, 23:49:32
Quote from: iMav;12323
That's a good preference as you can always find decent ones on eBay for cheap.  Additionally, you've got Unicomp's line of full-sized Model M's as well.
Indeed they're the easiest to find. I wish I had bought a Model M mini when Unicomp still had them available a few years ago to have one of those as well.

Quote from: iMav;12323
Interesting.  I've never heard anyone characterize the Cherry keys a wobbly.  The Alps keys are definitely susceptible  as they get warn in...but the "cross hairs" interface between the keycap and Cherry switch seems to be keep wobble to a minimum.
That's how they seemed to me, compared to the buckling spring keys anyway. It wasn't so much wobble during the travel of pressing the keys, as how much I could wiggle them with just my fingers resting on them. Perhaps it was some other issue instead and that's just what I thought it was.

I think my biggest issue with the trackpoint was how stiff it was to press. I can't remember now if I tried speeding it up, though I suspect I wouldn't prefer that as I always turn off all the acceleration stuff for mice. I primarily use a small Wacom tablet with a pen though some mice are ok with me.
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Post by: bhtooefr on Wed, 26 November 2008, 06:19:19
If the things were wobbly compared to buckling spring keys... holy crap. BS keys are some of the wobbliest that I've used, and Alps keys are nothing compared to that. There must have been something wrong with your keycaps or something...

(I don't mind it at all, it's not like they wobble all that much.)
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: lowpoly on Wed, 26 November 2008, 06:28:41
I'm on my ErgoPlus since a couple of days, using it instead of the HHKB. I think I'm a lot faster with the ErgoPlus.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: megarat on Fri, 28 November 2008, 18:48:54
My top three (the order is tenuous, like ordering your favorite children):

(1) The keyboard that stood the test of time for me was the Silicon Graphics model 9500801 and 041-0136-001.  These are of the Indigo/Crimson/Onyx line.  Original unsimplified white Alps in there; not rubber-dampened; heavy, quiet, very lovely to type on.  An under-appreciated classic.  Alas, these keyboards have a proprietary interface, which limits their portability.  The differences between the two models are (as far as I know) the color:  the 9500801 is beige, and the 041-0136-001 is granite.  The 9500801 may have different switches, but I doubt it.

(1.5) The original Apple IIgs keyboard (a.k.a. Apple Desktop Bus keyboard A9M0330).  While my first interest in computer keyboards stems from coveting anything with actual keys, back when I had a Timex-Sinclair 1000 (membrane hell), this was the first keyboard that made me sit up and really take notice.  I list this under (1) because it also has Alps inside, but I never fell in love with the layout.

(2) Model M Mini.  I like small keyboards and buckling springs are sweet, and a worthy challenger to the unsimplified white Alps.  Nuff said.  If Unicomp made a mini form factor BS keyboard in USB, I would buy one just because.  Possibly even two, and make them my main boards.

(3)  HHKB Pro 2.  I just bought a backup, plus extra keycaps to create a custom color scheme.  I think it looks pretty sweet.  (Photos are forthcoming, post-holiday.  I'll also put the remaining keycaps on the marketplace, in case anyone is interested.)  The more I use this keyboard, the more I think its function-derived layout is a work of genius.  That said, the Topre switches haven't stood the test of time (they make my hands tired), and the "Unix" layout (specifically the remote upper-right location of the "\"/"|" key) can be irritating.

Dream keyboard:  HHKB 2 with BS or white Alps and a standard US layout.  Another nuisance with the HHKB 2 is the (by default) single Fn key, so if I was designing the HHKB 3, I would probably add a few keys on the bottom row, to fill out the modifier set.  And I would make it heavier, with more robust feet, to hold its ground better.
Title: IBM - before buckling springs
Post by: qk6339zmdm on Mon, 01 December 2008, 00:46:44
I've used and really like the model M but the keyboards IBM made before PCs may have been even better.  The ones they made for the Selectric typewriter and the 11 lb. one from the 3278 terminal were really solid.  I wish I'd had the foresight to have kept one from twenty years ago.
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Post by: lowpoly on Mon, 01 December 2008, 03:51:43
Quote from: megarat;12785
I wish it had had a mini-USB jack on the left side as well as the back (for using it with my Powermac), although that's a small quibble.

I have a 90 degree mini usb adapter. It came with my Motorola Razr, I think. The cable goes to the left with that.
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Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 01 December 2008, 06:36:51
Wasn't the 3278's keyboard one of the first buckling spring keyboards? :confused:

(As well as the 5251, IIRC.)
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: kodos96 on Mon, 01 December 2008, 14:17:04
My top 3 keyboards:

1: ?
2: ?
3: Northgate Omnikey Evolution

My dream keyboard:
Well, it depends on how realistically I'm dreaming. Some basics to get started:

-Quiet, tactile switches
-Ergo split design
-Trackpoint

Those 3 features don't seem like too much to ask for, and would go pretty far towards making me happy, but afaict, don't exist in any keyboard ever made.  So since we're already in the realm of fantasy, let's get a bit more blue-sky with my specs:

-Fully split design (i.e. the two halves are separate units)
-Contoured key layout, i.e. kinesis/maltron, but not quite as dramatic a contour
-Bluetooth (but can also plug in, with detachable USB cable)
-Trackpoint located between H, J and N rather than the standard GHB (or maybe JNM or YUH... somewhere shifted to the righthand side
-Genuine IBM trackpoint, not a clone
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: secularzarathustra on Mon, 01 December 2008, 19:18:44
Top three boards:

1) IBM Model M Space Saver
2) Northgate Omni Key 101
3) IBM Model M

Dream Boards:

1) IBM Model M15: I don't care how much it is, I'm getting the next one on ebay!

2) IBM Model M Space Saver hardwired for Dvorak...if only there were someway to mod one of mine...
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 01 December 2008, 19:26:13
secularzarathustra: Well, it's not a SpaceSaver, but you might order a custom PS/2 board from Unicomp - they can do layout reprogramming on the PS/2 models (but not USB, for some reason.)
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Post by: secularzarathustra on Mon, 01 December 2008, 19:56:06
Hmm, I didn't know they could do a fully customized board...might be why it's called a "customizer".

I think you just found my wife's xmas gift to me :)

Thanks for the info
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Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 01 December 2008, 20:01:50
The only thing that might be a problem is the keycaps. But, for a $10 upcharge, you can order a board with blank black keycaps. (Which, on a Customizer/SpaceSaver 104, is still $50 less than a Das 3 Ultimate. ;))
Title: IBM - before buckling springs
Post by: qk6339zmdm on Mon, 01 December 2008, 20:11:29
Quote from: bhtooefr;13061
Wasn't the 3278's keyboard one of the first buckling spring keyboards? :confused:

(As well as the 5251, IIRC.)


Maybe you're right - I remember the 3278's kb being quieter than the model M though.  IBM patented the buckling spring in 1978 but made the Selectrics since the early 1960s.  What was it using before BS, was it microswitches?
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Post by: bhtooefr on Mon, 01 December 2008, 20:12:29
Some sort of horribly complicated setup involving gold contacts. I had downloaded a 3277 repair manual, that had diagrams, IIRC.
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Post by: megarat on Mon, 01 December 2008, 21:58:21
Quote from: lowpoly;13050
I have a 90 degree mini usb adapter. It came with my Motorola Razr, I think. The cable goes to the left with that.

Nice!  Thanks for the tip, I'll try to find one from a Motorola supplier.  That would be extremely useful.

EDIT:  I think I found it:  the Motorola SKN6182:

(http://www.cellpower.com/images/products/cha-mv3o.jpg)

They're on eBay for US$4 shipped.  Thanks again.  Man, I love this forum.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: lowpoly on Mon, 01 December 2008, 22:45:10
Quote from: secularzarathustra;13155
2) IBM Model M Space Saver hardwired for Dvorak...if only there were someway to mod one of mine...

That's not too hard to do. Look here how to attach a new programmable controller:

Converting a Toshiba T5200 laptop keyboard to USB (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=704)

It also does PS/2 and even supports a second layer through function key.

Quote from: megarat;13177
EDIT:  I think I found it:  the Motorola SKN6182:

That's the one. :)
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Post by: xsphat on Mon, 01 December 2008, 23:34:07
Quote from: megarat;13177
Nice!  Thanks for the tip, I'll try to find one from a Motorola supplier.  That would be extremely useful.

EDIT:  I think I found it:  the Motorola SKN6182:

Show Image
(http://www.cellpower.com/images/products/cha-mv3o.jpg)


They're on eBay for US$4 shipped.  Thanks again.  Man, I love this forum.


That would work great for this set up:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2312/1561922142_1126b91ef4.jpg)
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Post by: lowpoly on Mon, 01 December 2008, 23:56:42
That's where I use it, except that I have a Toshiba P20.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 02 December 2008, 01:44:57
Quote from: secularzarathustra;13158
Hmm, I didn't know they could do a fully customized board...might be why it's called a "customizer".

I think you just found my wife's xmas gift to me :)

Thanks for the info



I wish they could customize my a*s a Model M15!  :)
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Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 02 December 2008, 02:36:59
:p

Anyway, the programmable controller method has one issue - you lose the numpad functionality.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: lowpoly on Tue, 02 December 2008, 02:43:59
How does that work originally?

With the prog. controller you can define a meta key like caps lock and put all the keys you want on the second layer.

And the keys will be re-ordered for Dvorak, probably re-ordering the numpad as well.
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Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 02 December 2008, 02:47:11
Shift-Scroll Lock turns on Num Lock. The numeric keys are in the same place as the main keyboard, just like a laptop.
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Post by: lowpoly on Tue, 02 December 2008, 02:59:30
Ah, OK. That wouldn't work with the controller I suggested. You could just define a meta key, similar to the HHKB. And put the numpad where it is in the original layout. But you'd have to press the meta key while typing on the numpad.
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Post by: megarat on Tue, 02 December 2008, 16:08:16
Quote from: xsphat;13182
That would work great for this set up:

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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2312/1561922142_1126b91ef4.jpg)


That's exactly how I use it.  And if you re-read my post, you'll see that I call that method, "Xsphat-style".  :)
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Post by: xsphat on Tue, 02 December 2008, 17:25:31
Quote from: megarat;13296
I call that method, "Xsphat-style".  :)


I'm fatter ... I mean, flattered. Thanks.
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Post by: iMav on Tue, 02 December 2008, 19:30:22
Quote from: xsphat;13182
Show Image
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2312/1561922142_1126b91ef4.jpg)


Both of those are now gone from the xsphat household, correct?
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Post by: cchan on Thu, 04 December 2008, 06:12:55
#1 favourite: IBM 1391401. I have four of these (unfortunately, only two of which I can find right now) and they are the most solid keyboards I have ever had the pleasure of using. I'd probably like one even if it used rubber domes - it's just that well constructed and I never feel like I'm going to break the board no matter how hard i type.
#2: Cherry ML4100. This is the first night I'm using it, but it feels pretty nice. I'm not sure I like the sound of the switches though.
#3: MacBook keyboard. Hands-down the best laptop board I've used. I have a Dell AT101 coming soon though, which is probably going to knock the Cherry to #3 and kick the MacBook keyboard off the list.

My dream keyboard: Model M spacesaver, stealth black with black-lettered keycaps, buckling springs, and a Trackpoint IV. So far, I'm not missing the tenkey on the ML4100, but I'm not sure I like the compressed layout all that much.
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 04 December 2008, 06:19:49
I liked the Cherry over the Dell, but the Dell is nice.  I would imagine that you might leave the Cherry at #2 and the Mac 'board would drop off the list.  If you want a 'board that rivals the build quality of the Model M, try a Northgate/CVT.  My Northgate Evolution feels noticably more rugged and solid than my Ms; it also weighs significantly more.  The whole case is steel with a plastic cowling over the top, you know, to make it look pretty.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Thu, 04 December 2008, 06:37:59
I'm probably speaking too soon since my keyboard try-outs arent yet over, but so far it appears my 2 favorite boards are "old-school":
1) 1391401
2) any white alps board (smk 88 is what I'm going to own in a few days)
3) no third spot yet. There are a lot of boards I like but dont know if i'd call them a 'favorite'.

my dream board doesnt exist. It would be a 1391401 with the arrow cluster sawed out, with a shorter spacebar, usb, winkeys.  At some point I'll probably try (no doubt unsuccessfully) to fabricate my own version of this with parts from unicomp and old M boards.
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Post by: cchan on Thu, 04 December 2008, 06:59:57
Quote from: itlnstln;13606
I liked the Cherry over the Dell, but the Dell is nice.  I would imagine that you might leave the Cherry at #2 and the Mac 'board would drop off the list.  If you want a 'board that rivals the build quality of the Model M, try a Northgate/CVT.  My Northgate Evolution feels noticably more rugged and solid than my Ms; it also weighs significantly more.  The whole case is steel with a plastic cowling over the top, you know, to make it look pretty.


Thing is though... Any Northgate board is going to be pretty rare and followingly expensive. Model M's are a dime a dozen from people that don't know what they're selling. "Old annoying loud IBM keyboard... free." Anyone leet enough to have a northgate knows that they're rare and what price they command. :P
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Post by: eugenius on Thu, 04 December 2008, 10:56:16
Top 3:
1. Ergoplus G80-5000 + Numeric keypad G80-5700
2. Old model M (I don't know the series, it's in storage)
3. Cherry 4100

My dream board would be an Ergoplus modified like this:

Required:
1. Fully programmable
2. Symmetric (both parts equal size)  - see 3
3. On the left side instead of the anoying windows keys, two columns of programmable keys P1-P10
4. Layout mode switch with 3+ layouts stored onboard
5. USB connection with detachable cable and two strategically placed usb ports for the numpad.
6. Black

Optional:
7. Blue backlit with no light bleed between the keys. (I know I'm getting unreasonable here ... :) )

Special mention for the thinking man's gaming setup: Cherry 4100 + Razer Salmosa. :)
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Post by: megarat on Fri, 05 December 2008, 19:57:13
On the topic of dream keyboards:  One thing I really remembered -- and loved -- about the keyboard that came bundled with the NeXT cube, was that there was a thin rubber "bumper" around the outside edge.  That thing was terrific, it was a lovely touch, made they keyboard really comfortable to move around.

(Of course, the rubber degrades over time, so some of those keyboards today have bumpers that are pretty gnarly looking, but it's the thought that counts.)

Does anyone else has a fondness for a certain gee-whiz appointment on a keyboard that doesn't overall affect its typing experience?
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: cchan on Fri, 05 December 2008, 21:01:17
Quote from: megarat
Does anyone else has a fondness for a certain gee-whiz appointment on a keyboard that doesn't overall affect its typing experience?


Does overall brick-sxxthouse build quality count? I love really really sturdy keyboards I could use as weapons.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 05 December 2008, 21:05:36
Quote from: megarat;13807

Does anyone else has a fondness for a certain gee-whiz appointment on a keyboard that doesn't overall affect its typing experience?


sure, as long as it looks neat :)  I'm as superficial as the next guy.
Actually the only accessory i've really appreciated on the new keyboards is backlighted keys. I dont really use anything else they stick on there (even the media keys for which I have autohotkey shortcuts). The calculator button was a nice touch but I've since made an AHK macro for it too.
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Post by: Chloe on Fri, 05 December 2008, 21:58:01
I don't have a top three; the keyboards I like, I like equally. My dream keyboard would be understated and discreet, much like a Filco or HHKB, matte black with black or no key legends. I haven't decided on the layout or type of switch.
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Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 19 June 2009, 12:14:03
Thought I'd dig this one up to see what people dream keyboards would be...

I'll hold off judgement of my three favourite keyboards until I get my Blue Cherry Filco, and possibly get a Happy Hacking keyboard later this year, but my dream keyboard would have to be a Model M spacesaver, with Model F style buckling-springs, a Trackpoint IV and a HHKB-style USB hub and detachable connector. Black keys, industrial grey finish :D
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 12:20:06
I would like a Filco with the same finsh as the charcoal grey Realforce.  I would also like the textured keys the Realforce has.  Some understated volume controls would be nice, too.
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 12:28:18
A G80-1800 would be nice, too.  I love that layout.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 June 2009, 12:29:03
a round red ESC key would be the bees knees!
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 19 June 2009, 12:38:00
Just like -

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2074/2041454965_87bc40b82e.jpg?v=0)

I read somewhere that pulling one of those things would drive a plastic spike through the main power line that fed the mainframe and it's constituent parts. Not sure if that's true or not, but it's a pretty awesome idea nonetheless.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 June 2009, 13:34:54
Quote from: ripster;97652
Welly,  since I think you teach writing or something you must have a good reason for "bees knees" a phrase even my Grandma wouldn't use:

.


lol, no i teach history. I picked up 'bees knees' (and a variety of other 1930's to 50's phraseology -- "Heavens to Murgatroyd!") from my ex-gf who was, for some reason, really into old-timey movies (and vintage clothing).  ;D


It does endear me to the older generation tho, which has its advantages sometimes.  An older person who likes you tends to give you free stuff. :)
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 13:50:10
Quote from: wellington1869;97668
for some reason, really into old-timey movies (and vintage clothing). ;D

Shopping for her must have been fairly inexpensive.  I would imagine she shopped the second-hand and thrift stores.
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Post by: chimera15 on Fri, 19 June 2009, 14:06:33
1. siig minitouch with real alps white sliders.
2. siig minitouch with real alps sliders with dampers,
3. siig minitouch with fake alps sliders

Dreamboard:

black japanese Siig minitouch/filco version with blank letter keys, programmable macro buttons, true n-key rollover, red illuminated lettering for function/arrow/page navigation/number keys, with a red escape key, and  blue alps sliders. ;)
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 14:48:15
Quote from: ripster;97686
Don't call me "Dear".
 
And I'll never give you anything for free. Well, maybe a web link or two.

Are you saying you're old?
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Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 June 2009, 14:54:59
Quote from: itlnstln;97696
Are you saying you're old?


...and grumpy, evidently ;D

Quote
Don't call me "Dear".


Can I call you shirley?  ;)
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 14:59:03
Quote from: wellington1869;97698
Can I call you shirley? ;)

Yes you Mae.
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Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:00:31
Quote from: ripster;97700
When I need a "Big Button" keyboard somebody shoot me.


lol i feel that way too.   hell at that point I may off myself with a "Big Trigger" gun.
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Post by: Stevie Wonder on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:00:51
Quote
When I need a "Big Button" keyboard somebody shoot me.


Man, you sick and need professional help.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:04:29
Quote from: ripster;97700
When I need a "Big Button" keyboard somebody shoot me.

I like big butt(on)s, and I cannot lie...
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Post by: wellington1869 on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:11:08
Quote from: itlnstln;97706
I like big butt(on)s, and I cannot lie...


lols. I think you're in a Friday state of mind :)
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Post by: Stevie Wonder on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:17:54
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I like big butt(on)s, and I cannot lie...


You all sick.

You'd like my song, Boogie on Reggae Woman though.
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tCeAZ1nQjk)

Buy my record and you be da sunshine of my life.
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPyq4iqt6Go)

It's FRIDAY!
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:19:22
I am so f*cking bored.  My new red Esc key was the highlight of my day (so far; until the GF and I get together later ;) ).  I just want to go home.  I have nothing to do on Fridays.  If I have something to do on a Friday, something went horribly wrong at work.  I pretty much sit around all day posting on GH and playing Sudoku on my phone.  Lame.
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:23:47
"Sunshine of my Life" is one my all-time favorite Stevie songs.
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Post by: IBI on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:39:41
Quote from: wellington1869;97668
lol, no i teach history. I picked up 'bees knees' (and a variety of other 1930's to 50's phraseology -- "Heavens to Murgatroyd!") from my ex-gf who was, for some reason, really into old-timey movies (and vintage clothing).  ;D


Sometimes an old fashioned expression is an elegant sufficiency.
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Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 June 2009, 15:50:16
Quote from: ripster;97732
That IS sad - don't mention it to your girlfriend either.

I don't need to.  My GF is much nicer to look at than a red Esc key.  She kisses better, too.
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Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 19 June 2009, 19:05:29
1.  1391401.  Reliable, consistent, available, and affordable.  Still an excellent tool.

2.  Focus FK-2001.  Had some great memories with Focus keyboards from my old college's surplus-goods-sales shop.  Lovely feel, very nice layout (sacrificing Right Shift is a fair tradeoff for big backspace AND big enter)

3.  Customizer 104.  I really thought it would be my dream keyboard, but the fit-and-finish issues hurt, as does the feeling the way it's built isn't as durable as the 1391401.

My dream board?  A Sun Type 5 layout with programmable keys for those which aren't in the 104-key standard.  Buckling spring keys.  Two USB ports.  Red LEDs.  And a small trackball that snaps on to one or both sides.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: patrickgeekhack on Fri, 19 June 2009, 21:27:17
Without any constraint, my favourite keyboard is currently the Cherry G80-3000. That may change as it had in the past.

However, my favourite keyboard is never free from any constraint. My favourite at work is not my my favourite at home, and vice versa. At any particular time, my favourite keyboad has to satisfy: key feel, key sound, and environment tolerance to noise produced by keys. For example, if at home, I like the Customizer 104 and the Cherry G80-3000, I cannot use them at work, and therefore neither is going to be my favourite keyboard there.  

At home, there are time when my favourite keyboard is a rubber dome. When my daughter is having a light sleep or on days following a migraine episode, a rubber dome is a nice to have.
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: cchan on Fri, 19 June 2009, 21:40:32
hmm, I know this will change soon.

#1: Cherry MX8100. Oodles of programmable keys, integrated touchpad, and I can get used to the layout pretty easily.

#2: Cherry MX3000 with blues. It's just fun to type on with the clicks. And standard layout is nice too.

#3: hmm, this takes some thinking.

I'm going to have to say IBM Model M4. I just love the layout and how it's just that little bit smaller than a tenkeyless.

My dreamboard would be... Frameless IBM Model M4 with Cherry browns, native USB, right Alt under comma, arrows on Fn+IJKL, and a touchpad where the arrow keys are. And throw in a Windows key too. Oh and, the editing block rearranged this way:

Code: [Select]

|--------|
|    | PU|
|Del |---|
|    | PD|
|--------|
|Home|End|
|--------|
Title: Your top 3 keyboards, and why....and as an added bonus...your dream keyboard.
Post by: bigpook on Fri, 19 June 2009, 21:42:59
It's been awhile since  I checked this thread. Not being very loyal to any one 'board I can say that the filco tenless with black alps is my current favorite. Its been on my desk going on 6 weeks. Thats like a record for me : )
Behind that would be the model m mini and HHKB.
Honourable mention to the filco tenless with brown cherries.
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Post by: patrickgeekhack on Sat, 20 June 2009, 08:16:04
Quote from: ripster;97700
Trying out this Contour mouse for my right hand RSI and it sure makes me feel old and grumpy.

Show Image
(http://www.criticalfilmcondition.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/gran-torino-clint-eastwood.jpg)


Gran Torino is a great movie BTW.  At one point his kids give him a "Big Button" phone.  When I need a "Big Button" keyboard somebody shoot me.


That was a nice phone :-) I really like this movie and did not expect the ending at all. By the way, did you notice the cutie Yum Yum?
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Post by: MANISH7 on Sat, 20 June 2009, 09:38:28
my compaq 11800. (1) cherry brown key switch. ergonomic, light, and responsive to my fingers. i can type fast and comfortably for hours. (2) i'm fairly happy with the layout with the  delete / home / page up is in the middle of the keyboard. (3) spacesaver (4) has the iconic compaq logo from the 90s.

my dream keyboard: keyboard split like the m15, topre 45g key switches, close to a conventional layout as possible, no number pad but spacesaver + detachable usb cable (for portability), usb hub, <$150.

when is topre actually going to INNOVATE? sure the key switch is nice but besides that there is very little of substantial improvement in their models year after year. 86u to 87. ooooh, one key! 101 to 103 ooooh 2 keys! this is not innovating. innovating is giving consumers something unique & better (key switch is just a start). the keyboard i described above. only then can i consider shelling out more than $100 (justified or not - those are my terms). until then, i'll stick with my mx11800. the other keyboards, until they start to INNOVATE, offer no improvements over my current driver.
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Post by: lowpoly on Sun, 21 June 2009, 14:52:02
Quote from: MANISH7;97887
my dream keyboard: keyboard split like the m15, topre 45g key switches, close to a conventional layout as possible, no number pad but spacesaver + detachable usb cable (for portability), usb hub, <$150.
There is a split keyboard with Topre switches:

http://www.gearcrave.com/2008-12-02/the-wicked-utron-keyboard/

Won't meet all of your specs though with price probably being #1.
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Post by: Xuan on Sun, 21 June 2009, 17:45:19
The dream keyboard would have a vagina...

hehe, I liked very much the humble keyboard project in the modifications section.
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Post by: CrapTypist on Mon, 22 June 2009, 19:00:50
I've just got two, as I can't bring myself to use tenkeyful 'boards anymore...

#1 IBM M Mini

When I actually sit and press a key or two it feels very laborious, and I think, "This just can't be very ergo".  However, when I get to work, the heavy feel keeps me honest and precise, and the sound and no-nonsense look are a lovely distraction (read: non-writer) repellent, when the need strikes.

#2 Realforce (japanese layout)