I like Microsoft security essentials.
It's weird I've pirated stuff for years, but my favorite site got shut down and I got a little reckless..I recommend you do the following :
I would recommend having a job and simply buying things, its usually easier and quicker than stealing anyway and means you don't have to deal with the **** your dealing with now.
I would recommend having a job and simply buying things, its usually easier and quicker than stealing anyway and means you don't have to deal with the **** your dealing with now.
Try before you buy. ~_^
This is actually a major part of my job, dealing with malware.
This is actually a major part of my job, dealing with malware.
I wouldn't touch MSE for several reasons.
A. It's common, too common, especially for noobs, this means it's a ripe target.
B. You have all your eggs in one basket, I.E. Microsoft, who has a history of being sh*t when it comes to stopping malware. You have them handling your o.s. security, your av security... No. Diversity is good.
C. http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-security-essentials-fails-another-antivirus-test (http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-security-essentials-fails-another-antivirus-test)
The only thing I have seen it do well was deal with a rootkit. However, it required making a disk and blah blah blah... Tdsskiller did it in a quarter the time and without a boot disk.
As for what to run, frankly most malware is coming in through web advertisements. In fact the last survey showed only 3% was coming through email and no single approach will stop it all (well, almost).
I have well over 300 systems running this setup, including my own, it's a multi-pronged approach, however, it's relatively low in resources and all of these programs are free(!). Anything I work on, ends up with this setup (unless they recently bought something like Norton) and the business owners and I try in earnest to make sure nothing gets on their network without being checked first as most have seen the results first hand. In fact, that is usually why I get called in the first place.
Level1
Run an adblocker. Adblock Pro for Chrome, and Adblock Edge for Firefox. This blocks 90%+ of the junk out there.
Level 2
Winpatrol. Winpatrol is a VERY low resource program (uses only 3megs of memory) that most of the time sits idle. Every few minutes, it simply scans every autostart location in Windows. It keeps a list of approved programs, and if something new pops up, it simply asks you if you want to allow it. It's a much better version of the U.A.C. If YOU are careful, this program alone is the best anti-virus program there is, and is probably the only pro-active one on the market (rather than reactive). My brother and I went 6 months with only this and an adblocker and never caught anything despite being careless. In fact it was so good, I was worried about losing my business if I installed it on customer computers. I didn't need to worry, people are always the biggest threat.
At this point, it's pretty much only user error that allows the system to be infected, which is why...
Level 3
Avast Free. I have Avast Free running. This is their basic protection, I absolutely hate firewalls (biggest con job the anti-malware industry has put over on the general public, topic for another discussion) and "internet protection" packages. This is mostly to protect from anything I download or comes through my network.
If I suspect something has gotten through, that too has a multipronged approach.
First is Tdsskiller, this removes rootkits.
Second is ComboFix, this takes care of 90% of the junk you will get.
Third is Super Antispyware
Fourth is MalwareBytes.
After this, I uninstall all of these, then run CCleaner to clean out the temp files and the registry.
At this point, the system should be squeaky clean.
If I do have something I suspect is flakey, I run it on a system I use a sandbox system.
I would recommend having a job and simply buying things, its usually easier and quicker than stealing anyway and means you don't have to deal with the **** your dealing with now.This is a load of ****. Pirating =/= viruses. See my earlier post. If you're stupid with how you use the internet then you'll end up with viruses even if you don't pirate.
I would recommend having a job and simply buying things, its usually easier and quicker than stealing anyway and means you don't have to deal with the **** your dealing with now.This is a load of ****. Pirating =/= viruses. See my earlier post. If you're stupid with how you use the internet then you'll end up with viruses even if you don't pirate.
I've been pirating stuff alot lately (teehee) and ended up with some random ****e
Pipe down kiddo, that's not what I said at all.You're missing my point. If someone manages to get viruses while pirating then they're probably going to get viruses even if they were to stop pirating.
Pipe down kiddo, that's not what I said at all.You're missing my point. If someone manages to get viruses while pirating then they're probably going to get viruses even if they were to stop pirating.
Pipe down kiddo, that's not what I said at all.You're missing my point. If someone manages to get viruses while pirating then they're probably going to get viruses even if they were to stop pirating.
Why?
He said he was taking risks in order to pirate (which I assume means going off trusted trackers etc)... if he hasn't had problems prior to this (given that he is only asking for help now) it's safe to assume that he's fairly competent and that the only reason he has a problem is from downloading (trying to pirate) from untrusted sites, a problem he would never have if he didn't pirate...
Why?I still think it's highly likely that he would get the odd virus even if he stopped visiting The sites he is currently visiting. OP, correct me if I'm wrong in saying this.
He said he was taking risks in order to pirate (which I assume means going off trusted trackers etc)... if he hasn't had problems prior to this (given that he is only asking for help now) it's safe to assume that he's fairly competent and that the only reason he has a problem is from downloading (trying to pirate) from untrusted sites, a problem he would never have if he didn't pirate...
I don't use anti virus, just re-install all over again..lol
You're welcome.
For several years I used AVG but it eventually seemed to slow me down too much. I switched to Avast a couple of years ago and have liked it a lot. Windows Defender seems OK, and I run it at least once a month, but it never finds anything. I do strive to be careful with what I allow in, so maybe I beat it to the punch.
Lelslieann:
Thank you for your info, I believe it is very helpful for virtually every GH'er. Valuable to have an educated, experienced, knowledgable offer of information. (and by experienced, I didn't mean "old" should you possibly be female and ridiculously overly sensitive about such silly things). I use Mac so it doesn't apply to me but I fully recognize the extreme value of your contribution.
Keep in mind that the NSA is watching this thread. Choose your words carefully.NSA cannot keep information on US citizens, nor can their info be used to prosecute you. Plus, piracy is way below their radar. The FBI on the other hand... They do watch IRC channels and do prosecute US citizens.
Lelslieann:
Thank you for your info, I believe it is very helpful for virtually every GH'er. Valuable to have an educated, experienced, knowledgable offer of information. (and by experienced, I didn't mean "old" should you possibly be female and ridiculously overly sensitive about such silly things). I use Mac so it doesn't apply to me but I fully recognize the extreme value of your contribution.
You're welcome
Female, yes, sensitive, not very.QuoteKeep in mind that the NSA is watching this thread. Choose your words carefully.NSA cannot keep information on US citizens, nor can their info be used to prosecute you. Plus, piracy is way below their radar. The FBI on the other hand... They do watch IRC channels and do prosecute US citizens.
Lelslieann:
Thank you for your info, I believe it is very helpful for virtually every GH'er. Valuable to have an educated, experienced, knowledgable offer of information. (and by experienced, I didn't mean "old" should you possibly be female and ridiculously overly sensitive about such silly things). I use Mac so it doesn't apply to me but I fully recognize the extreme value of your contribution.
Baldgye:
Thank you for what sounds to be a moral judgement. Of course you're technically correct. We all know the what's legal/not legal regarding getting something for free via the internet when it's for sale on and off the internet.
This is my question for you....
Do you pirate anything illegally from the internet? Your first statements would indicate you do not, but your subsequent statements indicate you possibly do. Would like to know where you stand so I can possibly understand where you're really coming from. Keep in mind that the NSA is watching this thread. Choose your words carefully.
I've been pirating stuff alot lately
MoreThis is actually a major part of my job, dealing with malware.
I wouldn't touch MSE for several reasons.
A. It's common, too common, especially for noobs, this means it's a ripe target.
B. You have all your eggs in one basket, I.E. Microsoft, who has a history of being sh*t when it comes to stopping malware. You have them handling your o.s. security, your av security... No. Diversity is good.
C. http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-security-essentials-fails-another-antivirus-test (http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-security-essentials-fails-another-antivirus-test)
The only thing I have seen it do well was deal with a rootkit. However, it required making a disk and blah blah blah... Tdsskiller did it in a quarter the time and without a boot disk.
As for what to run, frankly most malware is coming in through web advertisements. In fact the last survey showed only 3% was coming through email and no single approach will stop it all (well, almost).
I have well over 300 systems running this setup, including my own, it's a multi-pronged approach, however, it's relatively low in resources and all of these programs are free(!). Anything I work on, ends up with this setup (unless they recently bought something like Norton) and the business owners and I try in earnest to make sure nothing gets on their network without being checked first as most have seen the results first hand. In fact, that is usually why I get called in the first place.
Level1
Run an adblocker. Adblock Pro for Chrome, and Adblock Edge for Firefox. This blocks 90%+ of the junk out there.
Level 2
Winpatrol. Winpatrol is a VERY low resource program (uses only 3megs of memory) that most of the time sits idle. Every few minutes, it simply scans every autostart location in Windows. It keeps a list of approved programs, and if something new pops up, it simply asks you if you want to allow it. It's a much better version of the U.A.C. If YOU are careful, this program alone is the best anti-virus program there is, and is probably the only pro-active one on the market (rather than reactive). My brother and I went 6 months with only this and an adblocker and never caught anything despite being careless. In fact it was so good, I was worried about losing my business if I installed it on customer computers. I didn't need to worry, people are always the biggest threat.
At this point, it's pretty much only user error that allows the system to be infected, which is why...
Level 3
Avast Free. I have Avast Free running. This is their basic protection, I absolutely hate firewalls (biggest con job the anti-malware industry has put over on the general public, topic for another discussion) and "internet protection" packages. This is mostly to protect from anything I download or comes through my network.
If I suspect something has gotten through, that too has a multipronged approach.
First is Tdsskiller, this removes rootkits.
Second is ComboFix, this takes care of 90% of the junk you will get.
Third is Super Antispyware
Fourth is MalwareBytes.
After this, I uninstall all of these, then run CCleaner to clean out the temp files and the registry.
At this point, the system should be squeaky clean.
If I do have something I suspect is flakey, I run it on a system I use a sandbox system.
I would recommend having a job and simply buying things, its usually easier and quicker than stealing anyway and means you don't have to deal with the **** your dealing with now.
Try before you buy. ~_^
Yeah, there are usually legal and easy ways to do that... hell apart from games I can't even pirate most of the content I consume becasue it's not on torrent or similar services becasue not that many people have it, and torrent traffic gets shaped so much (least for me) that Steam/GoG are much faster anyway.
I would recommend having a job and simply buying things, its usually easier and quicker than stealing anyway and means you don't have to deal with the **** your dealing with now.
Try before you buy. ~_^
Yeah, there are usually legal and easy ways to do that... hell apart from games I can't even pirate most of the content I consume becasue it's not on torrent or similar services becasue not that many people have it, and torrent traffic gets shaped so much (least for me) that Steam/GoG are much faster anyway.
Not always.
Thank you for this, it's very informative. Based on context, you fix/recover computers for a living. And it looks like you just gave the essence of your job procedure out :) . This will be very useful for many of us.You're welcome, I hope at least a few find it useful.
I would recommend having a job and simply buying things, its usually easier and quicker than stealing anyway and means you don't have to deal with the **** your dealing with now.
Try before you buy. ~_^
Yeah, there are usually legal and easy ways to do that... hell apart from games I can't even pirate most of the content I consume becasue it's not on torrent or similar services becasue not that many people have it, and torrent traffic gets shaped so much (least for me) that Steam/GoG are much faster anyway.
Not always.
That's why I said usually and not always.
I would recommend having a job and simply buying things, its usually easier and quicker than stealing anyway and means you don't have to deal with the **** your dealing with now.
Try before you buy. ~_^
Yeah, there are usually legal and easy ways to do that... hell apart from games I can't even pirate most of the content I consume becasue it's not on torrent or similar services becasue not that many people have it, and torrent traffic gets shaped so much (least for me) that Steam/GoG are much faster anyway.
Not always.
That's why I said usually and not always.
Your "usually" means my "almost never". ~,^
how i do a virus removal at workManual is good, but not always practical, and sometimes a royal b*tch to find.
Manual removal
tdss killer
malwarebytes
superantispyware
avast free full scan (kaspersky rescue disk if necessary)
usually manual removal is to just get passed screens that lock you out of your comp and such. We get a TON of ransomware at my shop. havent used combofix in a long time, may give it a shot again :Phow i do a virus removal at workManual is good, but not always practical, and sometimes a royal b*tch to find.
Manual removal
tdss killer
malwarebytes
superantispyware
avast free full scan (kaspersky rescue disk if necessary)
Combo Fix gets most of them without the hassle.
I would rather use a 5 minute tool than spend an hour digging.
I'm not worried about telling people what I use, it's only one aspect of my job, and people on here aren't potential customers. I only work on recommendation, I don't have a shop, I don't advertise, I don't even carry business cards, you have to know a customer to hire me and I don't come cheap.
This is actually a major part of my job, dealing with malware.
I wouldn't touch MSE for several reasons.
A. It's common, too common, especially for noobs, this means it's a ripe target.
B. You have all your eggs in one basket, I.E. Microsoft, who has a history of being sh*t when it comes to stopping malware. You have them handling your o.s. security, your av security... No. Diversity is good.
C. http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-security-essentials-fails-another-antivirus-test
The only thing I have seen it do well was deal with a rootkit. However, it required making a disk and blah blah blah... Tdsskiller did it in a quarter the time and without a boot disk.
As for what to run, frankly most malware is coming in through web advertisements. In fact the last survey showed only 3% was coming through email and no single approach will stop it all (well, almost).
I have well over 300 systems running this setup, including my own, it's a multi-pronged approach, however, it's relatively low in resources and all of these programs are free(!). Anything I work on, ends up with this setup (unless they recently bought something like Norton) and the business owners and I try in earnest to make sure nothing gets on their network without being checked first as most have seen the results first hand. In fact, that is usually why I get called in the first place.
Level1
Run an adblocker. Adblock Pro for Chrome, and Adblock Edge for Firefox. This blocks 90%+ of the junk out there.
Level 2
Winpatrol. Winpatrol is a VERY low resource program (uses only 3megs of memory) that most of the time sits idle. Every few minutes, it simply scans every autostart location in Windows. It keeps a list of approved programs, and if something new pops up, it simply asks you if you want to allow it. It's a much better version of the U.A.C. If YOU are careful, this program alone is the best anti-virus program there is, and is probably the only pro-active one on the market (rather than reactive). My brother and I went 6 months with only this and an adblocker and never caught anything despite being careless. In fact it was so good, I was worried about losing my business if I installed it on customer computers. I didn't need to worry, people are always the biggest threat.
At this point, it's pretty much only user error that allows the system to be infected, which is why...
Level 3
Avast Free. I have Avast Free running. This is their basic protection, I absolutely hate firewalls (biggest con job the anti-malware industry has put over on the general public, topic for another discussion) and "internet protection" packages. This is mostly to protect from anything I download or comes through my network.
If I suspect something has gotten through, that too has a multipronged approach.
First is Tdsskiller, this removes rootkits.
Second is ComboFix, this takes care of 90% of the junk you will get.
Third is Super Antispyware
Fourth is MalwareBytes.
After this, I uninstall all of these, then run CCleaner to clean out the temp files and the registry.
At this point, the system should be squeaky clean.
If I do have something I suspect is flakey, I run it on a system I use a sandbox system.
Thank you for this, it's very informative. Based on context, you fix/recover computers for a living. And it looks like you just gave the essence of your job procedure out :) . This will be very useful for many of us.You're welcome, I hope at least a few find it useful.
I'm not worried about telling people what I use, it's only one aspect of my job, and people on here aren't potential customers. I only work on recommendation, I don't have a shop, I don't advertise, I don't even carry business cards, you have to know a customer to hire me and I don't come cheap.
linux
I just keep a backup image of my boot partition on 2 different harddrives, after compression, it's only 70gigs, and it's setup to run every day... I have the whole month's worth of different states backed up which is only 4TB on 2 low rpm samsungs.Data deduplication is your friend.
.......Also, it's nice to see there are ladies in this industry as well. I've been in IT professionally since 2000 in a bunch of different companies, and have never physically met a female tech or engineer. This industry is dominated by weird dudes with no social skills.
.......Also, it's nice to see there are ladies in this industry as well. I've been in IT professionally since 2000 in a bunch of different companies, and have never physically met a female tech or engineer. This industry is dominated by weird dudes with no social skills.
Would you care to rephrase? LOL
.......Also, it's nice to see there are ladies in this industry as well. I've been in IT professionally since 2000 in a bunch of different companies, and have never physically met a female tech or engineer. This industry is dominated by weird dudes with no social skills.
Would you care to rephrase? LOL
No. LOL.
.......Also, it's nice to see there are ladies in this industry as well. I've been in IT professionally since 2000 in a bunch of different companies, and have never physically met a female tech or engineer. This industry is dominated by weird dudes with no social skills.
Would you care to rephrase? LOL
No. LOL.
No "except me." At the end?
The only trouble with security programs that require a lot of user intervention, is that most people are impatient and not very smart. I've installed various programs that require users to approve or deny applications, and almost always they end up clicking approve without even looking at what the program is, which can be infuriating. This pretty much defeats the purpose of these programs for anyone but power users.I give a bit of on site training for it when In install Winpatrol, which helps. Things will always get through though and no matter what or how good the protection, they will get nailed at some point. You can only put so much protection before it's no longer increasing security at all. Which is why I do the multi-pronged approach.
You're doing it right. Word of mouth is the most powerful advertising there is. When people see that you genuinely want to help, and that you don't just see their problems as a chance to capitalize, they tell all of their friends. Having a good personality also helps, because people like doing business with people they like. I also do zero advertising, and all of the business owners I work with always tell their other business owner friends. Also, I charge $125/hr, which is much more than a lot of "tech guys" who usually charge anywhere from $25-$75/hr. The way you justify the cost is with the quality of your work. It's apples and oranges out there, and you don't want to compete with the person that charges $25/hr and takes 10 hours to do something that takes you one hour to do, because they are frantically searching google since they have no idea what to do. The way I look at it is that I would rather have a few profitable customers, instead of tons of customers where I don't make a lot.I rarely run into other techs at all. It's weird, you would think you would, but you don't. I do get called a lot to clean up their mess though.
Norton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
Norton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
The adblock alone makes a huge difference, Winpatrol and Avast are just insurance and makes them feel better. And yes, Avira is good, except when i tried it, it nagged too much to buy the full version.Yes it does. But if you tell people up front, they don't mind it as much. I mostly install Avira on people's personal stuff. Actually what I have for my managed services clients is the MSP version of Vipre. I can manage all of the machines under my control with one central interface in GFI Max.
I rarely run into other techs at all. It's weird, you would think you would, but you don't. I do get called a lot to clean up their mess though.Some of my customers that call me only sometimes are hourly, and some of them that call me all the time are on monthly service contracts for a flat fee. For hourly customers, when people report an issue to me, I tell them upfront how long it will take. After you've been doing this for a long time you can pretty accurately figure out how long a task would take. For stuff like virus removal, I only charge for how long I or one of my techs work on the issue, not how long the scan runs - unless they insist I come on site and watch paint dry. Usually I bill one hour for virus removal, most of the time I can do it remotely, and it only really takes up about 15 minutes of my actual time. My service contracts range from $250/month for customers that I don't spend more than a couple hours a month on, to $4000/month for ones that call me daily. Funny thing is that every time I do a rate increase, my business actually goes up. I think psychologically people think that the company that charges more must be better all around, and they tell their colleagues that "the company I use is expensive but good." You as the solutions provider just need to meet and exceed that expectation. Also, I'm only giving out my numbers because you probably work in a different metro area, and for some reason most MSPs like to keep their pricing a secret, so I thought I'd share. I'm glad you charge what you feel you are worth. I hate when GOOD people charge really low rates, they cheat themselves and drive everyone's pricing down.
I'm a bit above the 25-75 range, but I don't really do "hourly", I charge a set amount to arrive or dial in, and then go to a low hourly. This way I know I'm going to cover my gas, and the customer doesn't panic if things take a while. It works for both of us. I have lost a major contract to one of the bottom feeders. In fact one of the offices, the employees now pool their money to bring me in instead of the person the company pays for, they don't trust him after what the last two guys did.
I don't even understand how some of these guys make money at $25 an hour, unless you are charging for every minute, and charging insane rates for everything you do extra (which will anger the customers). Many of my clients are 20-50 miles away, with gas prices like they are, a 20 minute job, 20 miles away means you pretty much make nothing.
lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
because i've actually gone and done the research?
look up the reviews and research from comparison sites.
Norton AV uses less resources than MSE.
http://www.antivirusware.com/testing/performance/
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/which-free-antivirus-is-the-lightest-on-system-memory-usage/
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/totalprotectionsuites-apr2012.pdf
lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
because i've actually gone and done the research?
look up the reviews and research from comparison sites.
Norton AV uses less resources than MSE.
http://www.antivirusware.com/testing/performance/
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/which-free-antivirus-is-the-lightest-on-system-memory-usage/
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/totalprotectionsuites-apr2012.pdf
How much resources it uses doesnt really matter. Norton just sucks. MSE is not all that good either. Paying for norton is just fail. The best virus removal tools are free.
lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
because i've actually gone and done the research?
look up the reviews and research from comparison sites.
Norton AV uses less resources than MSE.
http://www.antivirusware.com/testing/performance/
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/which-free-antivirus-is-the-lightest-on-system-memory-usage/
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/totalprotectionsuites-apr2012.pdf
How much resources it uses doesnt really matter. Norton just sucks. MSE is not all that good either. Paying for norton is just fail. The best virus removal tools are free.
lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
because i've actually gone and done the research?
look up the reviews and research from comparison sites.
Norton AV uses less resources than MSE.
http://www.antivirusware.com/testing/performance/
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/which-free-antivirus-is-the-lightest-on-system-memory-usage/
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/totalprotectionsuites-apr2012.pdf
How much resources it uses doesnt really matter. Norton just sucks. MSE is not all that good either. Paying for norton is just fail. The best virus removal tools are free.
im sorry, i thought I was talking to someone who's older than 12
lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
because i've actually gone and done the research?
look up the reviews and research from comparison sites.
Norton AV uses less resources than MSE.
http://www.antivirusware.com/testing/performance/
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/which-free-antivirus-is-the-lightest-on-system-memory-usage/
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/totalprotectionsuites-apr2012.pdf
How much resources it uses doesnt really matter. Norton just sucks. MSE is not all that good either. Paying for norton is just fail. The best virus removal tools are free.
im sorry, i thought I was talking to someone who's older than 12
Symantec EndPoint Protection for a standard PC/Server (this is not the same as the bloated Norton Antivirus suite)
MSE sometimes
Malware bytes for occasional scan
Linux to avoid it all :D
personally I don't pay for my Norton IS IMO. I get the annual Fry's bundle with ghost that's always free after rebate. I then sell off the copy of ghost for 10-20 bucks.lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
because i've actually gone and done the research?
look up the reviews and research from comparison sites.
Norton AV uses less resources than MSE.
http://www.antivirusware.com/testing/performance/
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/which-free-antivirus-is-the-lightest-on-system-memory-usage/
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/totalprotectionsuites-apr2012.pdf
How much resources it uses doesnt really matter. Norton just sucks. MSE is not all that good either. Paying for norton is just fail. The best virus removal tools are free.
im sorry, i thought I was talking to someone who's older than 12
He's right... most newer systems today have more than enough resources to cover the antivirus.. with no perceptible slowdowns.
Paying is fail, this is true for everything if it WERE possible to get something for free
MSE isn't very good
AND
The best rated tools are technically free.
personally I don't pay for my Norton IS IMO. I get the annual Fry's bundle with ghost that's always free after rebate. I then sell off the copy of ghost for 10-20 bucks.lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
because i've actually gone and done the research?
look up the reviews and research from comparison sites.
Norton AV uses less resources than MSE.
http://www.antivirusware.com/testing/performance/
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/which-free-antivirus-is-the-lightest-on-system-memory-usage/
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/totalprotectionsuites-apr2012.pdf
How much resources it uses doesnt really matter. Norton just sucks. MSE is not all that good either. Paying for norton is just fail. The best virus removal tools are free.
im sorry, i thought I was talking to someone who's older than 12
He's right... most newer systems today have more than enough resources to cover the antivirus.. with no perceptible slowdowns.
Paying is fail, this is true for everything if it WERE possible to get something for free
MSE isn't very good
AND
The best rated tools are technically free.
Either way its silly to say Norton sucks and is bloated then argue that performance and system resources usage doesn't matter.
What is it? Norton sucks for being bloated and slowing down computers because of resource hogging or resource hogging doesn't matter?
personally I don't pay for my Norton IS IMO. I get the annual Fry's bundle with ghost that's always free after rebate. I then sell off the copy of ghost for 10-20 bucks.lol you certain about that?only for those who follow the herd and don't actually do any reaearchNorton 360 works well too, low on resources as compared to the older Norton.lol norton is terrible.
Also, best practice is smart surfing, nothing beats it.
because i've actually gone and done the research?
look up the reviews and research from comparison sites.
Norton AV uses less resources than MSE.
http://www.antivirusware.com/testing/performance/
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/which-free-antivirus-is-the-lightest-on-system-memory-usage/
http://www.passmark.com/ftp/totalprotectionsuites-apr2012.pdf
How much resources it uses doesnt really matter. Norton just sucks. MSE is not all that good either. Paying for norton is just fail. The best virus removal tools are free.
im sorry, i thought I was talking to someone who's older than 12
He's right... most newer systems today have more than enough resources to cover the antivirus.. with no perceptible slowdowns.
Paying is fail, this is true for everything if it WERE possible to get something for free
MSE isn't very good
AND
The best rated tools are technically free.
Either way its silly to say Norton sucks and is bloated then argue that performance and system resources usage doesn't matter.
What is it? Norton sucks for being bloated and slowing down computers because of resource hogging or resource hogging doesn't matter?
Norton's way too intrusive. Popups in the corner all day long. God help your soul if by some chain of events you don't renew your subscription before it runs out.
On the signature front AV is around 11% effective against new malware. Sometimes when you're downloading these older files, if they've been out awhile there is a better chance that signatures may detect the presence of malware. Some studies have said that they've found new malware that has brought this number down to as low as 5%. No joke. This is the reason why many companies choose to use a multi-layered security approach. AV detection engines can sometimes identify new malware which adds to their effectiveness. While I think there are many good options out there, I'd search for reviews on good malware detection engines that also include host based IDS. Also, many AV solutions out there do share signatures, so in some ways you're getting equal protection.
Symantec EndPoint Protection for a standard PC/Server (this is not the same as the bloated Norton Antivirus suite)
MSE sometimes
Malware bytes for occasional scan
Linux to avoid it all :D
this is the standard rollout for most mid size IT departments.
Endpoint protection is good stuff..
this is the standard rollout for most mid size IT departments.
Endpoint protection is good stuff..
I've seen corporations with Panda before, made me giggle.
Endpoint really is great.
Protip: OP you should be using a dedicated Linux system for torrent downloading if you are serious about avoiding viruses. Get a spare PC, install Ubuntu Server 12.04 (or your favorite Linux flavor), install Deluge and go to the go go. If a whole other system is not feasible, use a VM and snapshots. Or do it on a raspberri pi for that matter, thats what I'm setting one of mine up to do (although 10/100 networking kinda stinks).
this is the standard rollout for most mid size IT departments.
Endpoint protection is good stuff..
I've seen corporations with Panda before, made me giggle.
Endpoint really is great.
Protip: OP you should be using a dedicated Linux system for torrent downloading if you are serious about avoiding viruses. Get a spare PC, install Ubuntu Server 12.04 (or your favorite Linux flavor), install Deluge and go to the go go. If a whole other system is not feasible, use a VM and snapshots. Or do it on a raspberri pi for that matter, thats what I'm setting one of mine up to do (although 10/100 networking kinda stinks).
You know what makes me giggle? Anti-Virus in general. It reminds me of the TSA, they might catch obvious stuff, but really determined people can still break through. I've worked with companies that have run pretty much everything from Symantec Endpoint Protection, corporate version of Panda, corporate version of Vipre, Microsoft Foreskin(Forefront), McAfee, and damn near any other commercial product you can think of. Do you know what they have in common? NONE of them really protect your users from their own stupidity. There are always a few idiots that manage to mess things up no matter what you do. I had one power loser reformat and reinstall Windows to get it out of lock down mode, then wondered why he couldn't get onto domain resources. Another fun one was a conservative Christian VP that had "Vote the Bible" buttons next to his PC, which was FULL OF GBs and GBs of PORN and was the reason why I had to do virus removal. People treat their work computers like it's their home PC, so I can only imagine how some people treat PCs at their home. Some people are idiots, and no amount of protection will help being stupid. At one point I worked with a guy that wrote his own FUD crypters, and packed/distributed trojans to people just for fun of spying on them - you could scan them all day with any antivirus, and it would come up clean. I watched him log in to somebody's computer, and change their grocery list to a bunch of sexually explicit objects including anal lube, toys, etc. He packed the trojans into "free" software that he uploaded to warez sites. It made me chuckle, not only from what he was doing, but also at how useless antivirus really is. Smart surfing habits are the best protection there is.
Anti-Virus in general.
Honestly nothing will save you from a ring0 rootkit, but hackers who are capable of doing that are already working for AV companies, you have to know both sides of the story to work in the business.