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Title: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: terrpn on Wed, 10 July 2013, 20:09:02

Looking to buy a 84 key F/AT 84 key IBM keyboard

would take an 83 key XT, but still got to put out for a converter. would consider if the price was right.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 10 July 2013, 20:45:15

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-Personal-Computer-AT-Model-F-Mechanical-Clicky-DIN-5-Keyboard-/251302742647?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item3a82cf8a77#ht_3714wt_1399

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-PC-Model-F-keyboard-1501100-Vintage-clicky-keyboard-83-Key-Original-Box-/151078512836?pt=US_Vintage_Computing_Parts_Accessories&hash=item232cfb28c4#ht_216wt_1399

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: berserkfan on Wed, 10 July 2013, 21:12:38

I found some F XTs going for cheap:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/310704084206?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

seller has others in stock as well. Seller is impatient and wants to sell fast, so you gotta bid by today.

why bother to buy AT? Buy XT, then buy your adapter from Hagstrom (works good) or make your own from Soarer's converter (I will try doing that someday)

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 10 July 2013, 21:16:19

Quote from: berserkfan on Wed, 10 July 2013, 21:12:38

why bother to buy AT?

Because the AT is usable as-is and can be modded to a pretty decent layout.

XT layout is stupid and infuriating and cannot be reasonably modded.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: berserkfan on Wed, 10 July 2013, 21:21:54

if the price difference were 10 or 20, I'd agree.

not for more than 100 in price difference!

And hey, I remember you as the guy who sold a whole army of Model Fs for $100. You made me so unhappy  :'( :'( :'(. I'm looking for a Model F 122-key, but these guys are hard to find and ultra expensive.

Quote from: fohat.digs on Wed, 10 July 2013, 21:16:19

Quote from: berserkfan on Wed, 10 July 2013, 21:12:38

why bother to buy AT?

Because the AT is usable as-is and can be modded to a pretty decent layout.

XT layout is stupid and infuriating and cannot be reasonably modded.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: Wildcard on Wed, 10 July 2013, 22:00:31

Well you know what they say about opinions :)

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: berserkfan on Wed, 10 July 2013, 22:06:20

actually I agree with fohat.digs that the XT has a stupid layout. But it definitely looks cooler than the AT. I wonder if anybody uses the Model F for gaming. It would be very interesting to hear their feedback.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: The_Beast on Wed, 10 July 2013, 22:07:08

Quote from: berserkfan on Wed, 10 July 2013, 22:06:20

actually I agree with fohat.digs that the XT has a stupid layout. But it definitely looks cooler than the AT. I wonder if anybody uses the Model F for gaming. It would be very interesting to hear their feedback.

It sucked for Minecraft since you can't shift walk (which is important so you don't fall off things)

Not sure about other games

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: terrpn on Wed, 10 July 2013, 22:33:27

Quote from: terrpn on Wed, 10 July 2013, 20:09:02

Looking to buy a 84 key F/AT 84 key IBM keyboard

would take an 83 key XT, but still got to put out for a converter. would consider if the price was right.

is that the going rate these days on an F AT?

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:11:23

Brand new Model M 84-key.  Guy wants $200 for it.  That seems really high to me. 

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sys/3880095701.html

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:23:48

Quote from: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:11:23

Brand new Model M 84-key.  Guy wants $200 for it.  That seems really high to me. 

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sys/3880095701.html

Seems about right, according to this: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45607.msg955560#msg955560

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:28:56

Quote from: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:11:23

Brand new Model M 84-key.  Guy wants $200 for it.  That seems really high to me. 

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sys/3880095701.html

That's already been sold, but yeah it was a decent price. I'm happy with it.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:54:03

Quote from: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:28:56

Quote from: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:11:23

Brand new Model M 84-key.  Guy wants $200 for it.  That seems really high to me. 

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sys/3880095701.html

That's already been sold, but yeah it was a decent price. I'm happy with it.

Yeah, I saw that around the 1st of July as I am always checking the Dallas/Ft. Worth Craigslist.  It would come up when I typed in a search for a Model M.  I made a post about it in the keyboard section.  I'll bet somebody bought the Model M too.  They can thank me later. 

(http://www.pbase.com/craig_c/image/151149517/original.jpg)

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:57:05

I think DuckNorris got that one. Thanks for the heads up endzone.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 02:09:35

Quote from: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:57:05

I think DuckNorris got that one. Thanks for the heads up endzone.

I know I posted before DuckNorris about it, but I'm not sure where you got the lead.  But anyway, you're welcome, and I'm glad you like the board.  That Model M for $45 looked to be a good deal too. 

I don't mean to hijack the thread, so I will stop. 

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 03:40:36

Here is another F 84 AT http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-Model-F-PC-AT-Keyboard-6450200-Clicky-84-Keys-IBM-Personal-Computer-/370852081917

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 11 July 2013, 05:08:08

Quote from: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:28:56

Quote from: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:11:23

Brand new Model M 84-key.  Guy wants $200 for it.  That seems really high to me. 

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sys/3880095701.html

trying to find 1 more like this vs the ssk

That's already been sold, but yeah it was a decent price. I'm happy with it.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 05:15:25

Quote from: terrpn on Thu, 11 July 2013, 05:08:08

Quote from: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:28:56

Quote from: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:11:23

Brand new Model M 84-key.  Guy wants $200 for it.  That seems really high to me. 

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sys/3880095701.html

trying to find 1 more like this vs the ssk

That's already been sold, but yeah it was a decent price. I'm happy with it.

Did you get the F in the above post terrpn?

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 11 July 2013, 06:53:05

Quote from: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 05:15:25

Quote from: terrpn on Thu, 11 July 2013, 05:08:08

Quote from: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:28:56

Quote from: Endzone on Thu, 11 July 2013, 01:11:23

Brand new Model M 84-key.  Guy wants $200 for it.  That seems really high to me. 

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ndf/sys/3880095701.html

trying to find 1 more like this vs the ssk

That's already been sold, but yeah it was a decent price. I'm happy with it.

Did you get the F in the above post terrpn?

No I am sorry........looks that way in my post

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 11 July 2013, 14:11:31

Quote from: berserkfan on Wed, 10 July 2013, 21:21:54

You made me so unhappy. I'm looking for a Model F 122-key, but these guys are hard to find and ultra expensive.

I am afraid that you have me confused with someone else.

Although that lot of 15 immaculate F-122s was mostly not available to "the public" there was one that languished on auction here for a week or so and finally sold to the single bidder a couple of weeks ago. I made multiple posts advising (almost begging) Geekhackers to nab that pristine beauty, but obviously people ignored me.

I have been surveying the F-122 situation for about 3 years, and it has been my experience that they turn up every few months in various ugly-to-excellent states, sometimes 2 or 3 at a time. Altogether, I have bought about 6-7 at between $35-$85 and built about 4 good working specimens out of the lot. When they turn up, they are not always expensive, but they are rare.

Ebay items come and go. When I got the hots for an F AT, it was at the beginning of several dry months. It took me about 4 months (and buying 3) before I got a really good one. Today there is almost always one on sale.

If you want a Model F 122-key, prepare to be patient. You will find one, but it might well take months.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 17:29:17

Terrpn here is another one from the same guy that sold one last night. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-Personal-Computer-AT-Model-F-Mechanical-Clicky-DIN-5-Keyboard-/251302742647?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item3a82cf8a77

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 11 July 2013, 20:21:22

Quote from: smknjoe on Thu, 11 July 2013, 17:29:17

Terrpn here is another one from the same guy that sold one last night. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-Personal-Computer-AT-Model-F-Mechanical-Clicky-DIN-5-Keyboard-/251302742647?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item3a82cf8a77

Considering what has been going on lately, I would call this a "find" at below going market rate.

Supply lurks and demand obviously goes through wild mood swings.

3 years ago, when I really wanted one, the "going rate" was about $80. None were for sale for weeks on end. When a few trickled into the market, myself and about 2 other lustful types bid them up way high ($120-$150) even though some of them were pretty grubby.

After about half a dozen had sold, when each of us 3 had probably bought at least a couple of ATs each and finally succeeded in landing a good one, the bidding war was over and the price dropped back down to where it had been before.

There might have been a spike that recently subsided. In 2013, the one listed above looks like a good buy.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: sleepy916 on Thu, 11 July 2013, 20:45:59

That one is a good price for an AT.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: terrpn on Thu, 11 July 2013, 21:42:25

thanks..............i missed out on the 1 F that bid earlier today.

tempted on the F AT, but was not sure what the market $ is going for these days? thanks to you guys i now have a better idea. i was not aware they were pulling that many shekels.

Title: Re: {WTB} IBM Model F AT 84 Key Keyboard
Post by: berserkfan on Sun, 14 July 2013, 13:19:51

Hey Fohat

just realized that you posted in reply.

Sorry if I mixed you up.

I didn't bid on that one because, shipping included, it was too much. It'd have cost at least $170 shipped to me to beat the opening bid of $125.

I guess I have to be patient and see what ebay brings me...


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I am afraid that you have me confused with someone else.

Although that lot of 15 immaculate F-122s was mostly not available to "the public" there was one that languished on auction here for a week or so and finally sold to the single bidder a couple of weeks ago. I made multiple posts advising (almost begging) Geekhackers to nab that pristine beauty, but obviously people ignored me.

I have been surveying the F-122 situation for about 3 years, and it has been my experience that they turn up every few months in various ugly-to-excellent states, sometimes 2 or 3 at a time. Altogether, I have bought about 6-7 at between $35-$85 and built about 4 good working specimens out of the lot. When they turn up, they are not always expensive, but they are rare.

Ebay items come and go. When I got the hots for an F AT, it was at the beginning of several dry months. It took me about 4 months (and buying 3) before I got a really good one. Today there is almost always one on sale.

If you want a Model F 122-key, prepare to be patient. You will find one, but it might well take months.
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