Well, comparatively new. A decade+ isn't all that long compared to mechs.They're tactile but very smooth according to what I've read. You can't go by opinions.. because they are just that - opinions. You need to try them and decide for yourself, as everyone has a different preference.
I'm happy with MX, so I probably wont be changing. I was just curious what everyone here thought about them
How do they compare to the Cherry MXs we're all used to? Is it really worth more money?
...let's hear some opinions.
How do they compare to the Cherry MXs we're all used to? Is it really worth more money?
...let's hear some opinions.
What something is worth, is relative to how bad you want it and/or your income.
Asking for general opinions of MX vs topre is rather vague. You're not going to get a straight forward answer. Also, this topic has been covered many many times already, use the search function so you don't have to wait for responses.
"We have too many people like you, and we've already put up with all of their stupid questions. We don't need another person who asks stupid questions, so please don't interact with us."
I've been a lurker here for a couple months, and I decided to finally sign up because I wanted to participate, and be a part of this community.
"We have too many people like you, and we've already put up with all of their stupid questions. We don't need another person who asks stupid questions, so please don't interact with us."
I've been a lurker here for a couple months, and I decided to finally sign up because I wanted to participate, and be a part of this community.
Look at it from another point of view: Every three days or so, the same topic comes up and the same answers are given. Why should any of us just repeat ourselves from three days ago? When you reopen the same topic in a different thread, it just looks like you haven't done any research or read anything and decided to just post something new when you could've hopped in on one of the many other threads and gotten the same opinions.
I'm not saying that you did that, I'm just saying how it can look. And I mean "us" and "you" in the general sense, not you and me personally.
I actually started a thread just for this situation where you want to ask something quick but don't know where to turn. Not sure if you've ever seen it but it's called the Simple Questions Simple Answers (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40501.0) thread. I'd be more than happy, or anyone else who regularly is in that thread, to point you to some threads or answer quick questions.
I'm kind of on the fence about the questions thing. It's great to ask questions and I encourage it (I've answered questions for more than 100 pages). But I just feel that a lot of newer people don't do any research/reading at all. It irks me that there are so many members putting out such good information and no one wants to take two minutes to find it. I've had people straight up ask me to Google things for them because they're too lazy to do it themselves.
I'm definitely curious, and I'd love to try it, but I just don't see an opportunity on the horizon, short of me sucking it up and dishing out 200 bucks for one.buy secondhand under $200 or buy type heaven
There's no meetups being organized on KBD or OTD? You're located in an amazing place for custom keyboards and keyboarding stuff in general.
You don't have to bottom out on MX or Alps either?
Regardless, I'm in the miss category.
Yeah, I'm on otd.kr right now, but google translate is not helping as much as I need it to. I'm not having much luck making heads or tails over here.I suggest trying to DT also :cool:
Maybe it being midnight isn't helping. I'll give it another shot tomorrow.
Well, the problem is.... Okay let's be honest.
I'm sick of explaining that switches are all about preferences, and there is no switch better than the other objectively when people, who just got interested in Mechanical keyboards, ask me about Topre switches.
They just judge it based on the price. Even though I answer like that, they just think that "but there are some reasons why it is more expensive. Something good and Something better."
Because of Topre's higher price, new guys tend to think Topre is the best because it is more expensive.
If you can read Korean, even you can see this tendency at KBDMania as well. They call a Topre Keyboard as a destination. Destination from what?
Now, I don't care.
Well, the problem is.... Okay let's be honest.
I'm sick of explaining that switches are all about preferences, and there is no switch better than the other objectively when people, who just got interested in Mechanical keyboards, ask me about Topre switches.
They just judge it based on the price. Even though I answer like that, they just think that "but there are some reasons why it is more expensive. Something good and Something better."
Because of Topre's higher price, new guys tend to think Topre is the best because it is more expensive.
If you can read Korean, even you can see this tendency at KBDMania as well. They call a Topre Keyboard as a destination. Destination from what?
Now, I don't care.
See, I've been in the wetshaving world too long to try and quantify everything in that way. If you have a hobby, then it's yours. Yours alone. You can relate that hobby to other people that share parts of it, but you'll have one thing that is perfect for you. One keyboard, or keycap, or modifier set that is your perfect piece. So that's why I'm only interested in your subjective thoughts. What about topre makes you like or dislike it? Are you used to something else? Were you looking for a change? How long did you use MX before you realized you wanted more? Did you always feel unsatisfied with MX switches, or were they the best thing in the world at one point and you grew tired of them?
I'm not looking for people to put their thoughts into numbers, into quantifiable data, I want to know how you feel, and what you think makes you feel that way.
I know it's all preference, but my goal has always been an interest in perspective. I want to know how you feel. So no more of this "Everyone's going to have a different view" I don't care that your view is different than mine. I want to know what your view is.
I've been into wetshaving for a good amount of time as well, and I can tell you that saying there is one perfect thing for everyone is another opinion. It's not always true. I'd rather have an array of different things, liking them for what they are, than to have one "perfect" thing.
...in a nutshell they are really nice rubber domes. Not far from the ones that come standard with every new desktop.
I've been into wetshaving for a good amount of time as well, and I can tell you that saying there is one perfect thing for everyone is another opinion. It's not always true. I'd rather have an array of different things, liking them for what they are, than to have one "perfect" thing.
And even if the items don't make it into your rotation of use, I still like to collect them. I have I don't even know how many razors right now, but I love them all, and I only use one everyday. The same thing goes for keyboards. I'm not opposed to stacking boxes of them in a corner and never using them, because I know I love them for what they are as an individual.
Dumb question time. Are there plated and unplated HHKBs? I swear the HHKB I tried in Chicago had zero thocking and the boards only thock if they have plates IIRC.
Dumb question time. Are there plated and unplated HHKBs? I swear the HHKB I tried in Chicago had zero thocking and the boards only thock if they have plates IIRC.
Isn't there a 'silent' version?
Isn't the HHKB case-mounted?
I've never ever heard plate mount called case mount.
That's because it isn't.
Plate mount = Mounted on a Plate.
HHKB does not have a plate. It is NOT, however, just mounted onto just a PCB. It actually mounts into the case. Just google up some pics, you'll see what I mean....I forgot who started calling it case mounted but that term is probably really accurate...
Interesting to see what's inside a HHKB - thanks for posting :)
I am unlikely to disassemble mine in the foreseeable future.
Interesting to see what's inside a HHKB - thanks for posting :)
I am unlikely to disassemble mine in the foreseeable future.
What? You must disassemble it....lube the metal stablizer bars....then reassemble it. It quiets the stablizers considerably.
Interesting. Thanks for the knowledge! For anyone who's interested:This is why there will most likely never be a metal HHKB case. Too hard to replicate and too expensive to produce.Show Image(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8103019712_bc9fa4b3ee_h.jpg)
From here (http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=258988)
Interesting. Thanks for the knowledge! For anyone who's interested:This is why there will most likely never be a metal HHKB case. Too hard to replicate and too expensive to produce.Show Image(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8103019712_bc9fa4b3ee_h.jpg)
From here (http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=258988)
Or just buy a HHKB Professional HG. Metal cases since 2006.
Or just buy a HHKB Professional HG. Metal cases since 2006.'just' :))
Or just buy a HHKB Professional HG. Metal cases since 2006.'just' :))
Or just buy a HHKB Professional HG. Metal cases since 2006.'just' :))
Well they aren't for sale anymore, so a bit of force such as guns or tanks might be required to get it from a place that does have it. Or you can get a job at a secret location in which you may be able to smuggle one out.
Or just buy a HHKB Professional HG. Metal cases since 2006.'just' :))
Well they aren't for sale anymore, so a bit of force such as guns or tanks might be required to get it from a place that does have it. Or you can get a job at a secret location in which you may be able to smuggle one out.
Is that all? ;)
Every time I see a thread about Topre, everyone neglects to mention it's a capacitive switch that you don't need to bottom out for the keypress to measure. And to address James' statement, I got my first Topre board because one popped up at a steal for 170 in the classifieds. I had only tried MX Blues and Reds on actual keyboards, blacks on a tenkey, and two of those three were PCB mounted (which I truly hate) before I got my Topre. In comparison to other rubber domes, Topre is much lighter, smoother, and makes a much better sound. The boards ooze quality out of every seam, and they're just phenomenal products.
Is there a reason there aren't more group buys? I know there's enough people interested, and most people have issue with the price, which group buys would help alleviate.
And hopefully there comes more keycap options in the near future. I just don't think it's spread far enough yet.
Also, I've got in contact with one of our Korean members, in an attept to find information on any upcoming conventions, but he's saying there aren't as many as we might think. There might be some small gatherings, however.
I also talked to one of our Korean augmentations to the us army, and ended up having to spend 20 minutes trying to describe what a convention is. He decided he could take me to an electronic's store, and I gave up.
Is there a reason there aren't more group buys? I know there's enough people interested, and most people have issue with the price, which group buys would help alleviate.
And hopefully there comes more keycap options in the near future. I just don't think it's spread far enough yet.
Also, I've got in contact with one of our Korean members, in an attept to find information on any upcoming conventions, but he's saying there aren't as many as we might think. There might be some small gatherings, however.
I also talked to one of our Korean augmentations to the us army, and ended up having to spend 20 minutes trying to describe what a convention is. He decided he could take me to an electronic's store, and I gave up.
Nobody makes topre keys (like SP makes mx) to do group buys with.
Well, they have to be manufactured someplace. And I didn't just mean key buys, I meant board group buys as well.
Well, they have to be manufactured someplace. And I didn't just mean key buys, I meant board group buys as well.
Last topre group buy got a little ugly.
Now you're piqued my interest.Well, they have to be manufactured someplace. And I didn't just mean key buys, I meant board group buys as well.
Last topre group buy got a little ugly.
Ah. That would prove a problem. Well, I don't know how HHKB does it, but maybe we could do a composed group buy? Are there any blank Topre keys out there, made by someone with permissions? And if so, buy a certain amount of them, and have them sent to WASD for some laser etching?
Topre doesn't do GBs directly from them, but they don't have any say who their suppliers sell to. If we can get HHKB to buy some black, or just white keycaps, we could do up some designs for laser etching.
Is there a reason there aren't more group buys?