There is only one currently available. Thats the KBT Pure Pro.
There two others in pre-ordering phase....its the Ducky Mini and the QWER Keyboard.
Would recommend to wait for the Ducky Mini....as it comes in original Poker Layout (standard). Pure Pro and QWER having non-common layout, making it more difficult to exchange caps and stuff.
No, i think its without backlit.....btw here is a GB currently going on for the QWER board:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46702.msg987703#msg987703
Btw, a bit off topic but double-shot PBT caps are non-existent, correct?
Actually, on topic - Is there any TOPRE 60% ISO Keyboards?? :O
Filco Minila?
Pardon the thread hijack, but someone had mentioned a Ducky Mini? First time I've heard of this, any links and such?
Yeah heres a link from DT and some pics! Ducky Nordic seems pretty active in that thread.Oh wow, just when I'd thought I'd stop at 15 keyboards (14 now, with a YOTS already paid for) for my collection, this has to come up.....
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ducky-nordic-keyboards-keycaps-projects-and-misc-stuff-t4718-720.htmlShow Image(http://www.ducky-nordic.com/april/v4dn60pbt2.jpg)Show Image(http://www.ducky-nordic.com/april/v4dn60pbt5.jpg)
Filco Minila has also quite weird layout.
- 3x Space
- 1.75x Ctrl
- 1xShift
- 1xBackspace
all not very common....
Now THAT'S the layout I'm looking for! Although the right Shift could've been made a tad smaller to add another normal-sized key next to it..Pardon the thread hijack, but someone had mentioned a Ducky Mini? First time I've heard of this, any links and such?
Yeah heres a link from DT and some pics! Ducky Nordic seems pretty active in that thread.
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/ducky-nordic-keyboards-keycaps-projects-and-misc-stuff-t4718-720.htmlShow Image(http://www.ducky-nordic.com/april/v4dn60pbt2.jpg)Show Image(http://www.ducky-nordic.com/april/v4dn60pbt5.jpg)
The KBT Pure Pro is fine. As I understand it will not work for the OP because he wants to change the keycaps and the layout is not standard.Yeah the KBT Pure Pro would've been amazing but I do want custom PBT keycaps.. :/
However, from a productivity point of view, this keyboard has some advantages.
Here is one of the two I own:
(Attachment Link)
+ It's a 60%
+ Plate mounted
+ Cherry MX, so you can silence it with O-rings or landing pads
+ Available in ISO (UK, DE, FR, ES) and ANSI (US)
+ Direct access to arrow keys (I love the look of the HHKB, but I couldn't work on it)
+ Backlit. I need it because sometimes I have to work with almost no light
+ Programmable: you can change any [Key] or [Fn]-[Key] and assign to it a single keystroke of a full macro. Definitely useful
+ It's available NOW, not next year
The fact that it is programmable has allowed me to remap Home and End to the right Shift and Ctrl keys. I find that it is very convenient. I have another 5 or 6 useful remaps/macros.
The Minila is close (almost the same layout). The differences are:
+ Offers a free USB port
+ It's Filco
- Available in ANSI US and ISO UK only
- No backlight
- Not programmable
I have considered the Minila for a while and finally settled for a KBT Pure Pro.
If the Leopold 660C/M was available in ISO, I would have one.
Yeah the KBT Pure Pro would've been amazing but I do want custom PBT keycaps.. :/
So if I were to purchase a Filco Minila ISO UK version, I wouldn't be able to change some buttons to the Swedish letters (namely Å, Ä, Ö)?
So the Filco Minila really has me going for a more portable 60% board but I hear so much about the GH60. Is this a fully assembled board or something I build from a kit?
So the Filco Minila really has me going for a more portable 60% board but I hear so much about the GH60. Is this a fully assembled board or something I build from a kit?
It's a custom keyboard that you have to build yourself or get someone to build you one, it's a Geekhack community project. You cant order them anymore beacause the group buy is over, but they will show up in the classifieds when people start receiving them.
Awesome, I'll definitly give it a try!Yeah the KBT Pure Pro would've been amazing but I do want custom PBT keycaps.. :/
So if I were to purchase a Filco Minila ISO UK version, I wouldn't be able to change some buttons to the Swedish letters (namely Å, Ä, Ö)?
I don't think you will find PBT caps for the Minila either, it's almost the same layout as the KBT Pure Pro. Have a look at it:
Minila (ISO UK):
http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/uk-majestouch-minila-68-key-tactile-action-keyboard.asp (http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/uk-majestouch-minila-68-key-tactile-action-keyboard.asp)
KBT Pure Pro (ISO UK):
http://kbtrace.com/kbtpure/kbt-pure/kbt-pure-pro-60-white-light-qwerty-uk.html (http://kbtrace.com/kbtpure/kbt-pure/kbt-pure-pro-60-white-light-qwerty-uk.html)
That being said, the guys at The Keyboard Company have always been very helpful. They do have Swedish keyboards, so they may have the keycaps you are missing for the Minila. Just drop them an email and ask.
I dont know where you'll get a plate, but the poker2 pcb appears to support isoYeah but modding it for full ISO support will definitly be a pain in *beep* :P
I guess my point was that perhaps they will be like CM and the QFR, and an ISO version will show up in a couple months.
I guess my point was that perhaps they will be like CM and the QFR, and an ISO version will show up in a couple months.
But none of the KBT 60% keyboards (including Poker I) have ISO?
Good info, thanks mate!I guess my point was that perhaps they will be like CM and the QFR, and an ISO version will show up in a couple months.
But none of the KBT 60% keyboards (including Poker I) have ISO?
To the best of my knowledge, amongst the 60%, only the Vortex KBT Pure Pro and the Filco Minila are available in ISO.
KBT Pure Pro: UK, DE, FR, ES.
Minila: only UK.
I would be very pleased to learn that I'm wrong. :)
Naturally, both are also available in ANSI US.
The Poker has never been available in ISO (neither the original Poker nor the Poker II).
Because of the lack of 60% in ISO, I almost switched to ANSI US. Maybe I'll do it some day, as I have actually learned to type on ANSI US and used it for years.
Good info, thanks mate!
Regading ISO - the Enter key is just GORGEOUS compared to the (sorry ANSI lovers!) boring, plain, rectangualar one found on the ANSI versions :P Although the left shift key on the ISO could be smaller, in order to add another useful key :thumb:
Hey! My thread, my rules! I hereby declare all readers of this thread ISO lovers! Violators will be smacked!
Good info, thanks mate!
Regading ISO - the Enter key is just GORGEOUS compared to the (sorry ANSI lovers!) boring, plain, rectangualar one found on the ANSI versions :P Although the left shift key on the ISO could be smaller, in order to add another useful key :thumb:
Mmh... I'm not sure you are going to make new friends with this... :)
I believe the quasi-symetry of the ANSI layout is actually highly regarded. And ANSI users would tell you that the large left Shift key is GORGEOUS, I guess. :)
No, really, you cannot tell that one layout is better than the other. It's what people are used to, and that's all.
Meh, I like both ISO and ANSI for different reasons.O holy moose, what reasons thou you have?
When coding or programming ANSI is much easier to use, I also prefer the ANSI Enter cluster over ISO one, however when typing Swedish ISO layout is much better designed than ANSI.What about JP (if you prefer the ISO Enter key)?
I don't prefer ISO enter.When coding or programming ANSI is much easier to use, I also prefer the ANSI Enter cluster over ISO one, however when typing Swedish ISO layout is much better designed than ANSI.What about JP (if you prefer the ISO Enter key)?
I ment if you're an ISO fan - would JP be more suitable for programming IYO?I don't prefer ISO enter.When coding or programming ANSI is much easier to use, I also prefer the ANSI Enter cluster over ISO one, however when typing Swedish ISO layout is much better designed than ANSI.What about JP (if you prefer the ISO Enter key)?
What I want is really ANSI with short left shift.I ment if you're an ISO fan - would JP be more suitable for programming IYO?I don't prefer ISO enter.When coding or programming ANSI is much easier to use, I also prefer the ANSI Enter cluster over ISO one, however when typing Swedish ISO layout is much better designed than ANSI.What about JP (if you prefer the ISO Enter key)?
What I want is really ANSI with short left shift.
What I want is really ANSI with short left shift.
This is the one thing I really learned to love about ANSI (apart from the symbol locations on US ANSI for programming). I don't care about ISO or ANSI enter, but the long left shift really is useful imo and makes sense to me.
If you don't mind doing a bit of desoldering/soldering and getting a few new keycaps, the Poker II PCB does support the ISO layout. You will either need to run it plate-free or get an ISO plate for it.Hm not a bad idea! Wouldn't have too much problems cutting the plate either (I got ze tools).. Poker II is fully programmable right?
Edit: I just noticed dorkvader mentioned this. But modding it for full ISO support is not hard, just desolder everything to get rid of the plate. Or desolder a few switches and cut a few holes in the plate. All you have to do is select whatever layout you use on your computer to make it run on your layout.
If you don't mind doing a bit of desoldering/soldering and getting a few new keycaps, the Poker II PCB does support the ISO layout. You will either need to run it plate-free or get an ISO plate for it.
Edit: I just noticed dorkvader mentioned this. But modding it for full ISO support is not hard, just desolder everything to get rid of the plate. Or desolder a few switches and cut a few holes in the plate. All you have to do is select whatever layout you use on your computer to make it run on your layout.
Yeah but luckily I need platemounted, PCB-mounted makes it too mushy imo :pIf you don't mind doing a bit of desoldering/soldering and getting a few new keycaps, the Poker II PCB does support the ISO layout. You will either need to run it plate-free or get an ISO plate for it.
Edit: I just noticed dorkvader mentioned this. But modding it for full ISO support is not hard, just desolder everything to get rid of the plate. Or desolder a few switches and cut a few holes in the plate. All you have to do is select whatever layout you use on your computer to make it run on your layout.
Wouldn't you need new switches as well to go straight PCB mount? They don't have the pegs on the bottom of the switches if they're plate mounted if I remember right. Is there an easy way around this so you're not relying on the solder joints to keep your keys stable?
Edit: here is a pic for reference courtesy of Deskthority's wikiShow Image(http://deskthority.net/w/images/3/35/CherryMxPlatePcbMounted.jpg)
If you don't mind doing a bit of desoldering/soldering and getting a few new keycaps, the Poker II PCB does support the ISO layout. You will either need to run it plate-free or get an ISO plate for it.Hm not a bad idea! Wouldn't have too much problems cutting the plate either (I got ze tools).. Poker II is fully programmable right?
Edit: I just noticed dorkvader mentioned this. But modding it for full ISO support is not hard, just desolder everything to get rid of the plate. Or desolder a few switches and cut a few holes in the plate. All you have to do is select whatever layout you use on your computer to make it run on your layout.
If you don't mind doing a bit of desoldering/soldering and getting a few new keycaps, the Poker II PCB does support the ISO layout. You will either need to run it plate-free or get an ISO plate for it.
Edit: I just noticed dorkvader mentioned this. But modding it for full ISO support is not hard, just desolder everything to get rid of the plate. Or desolder a few switches and cut a few holes in the plate. All you have to do is select whatever layout you use on your computer to make it run on your layout.
Wouldn't you need new switches as well to go straight PCB mount? They don't have the pegs on the bottom of the switches if they're plate mounted if I remember right. Is there an easy way around this so you're not relying on the solder joints to keep your keys stable?
Edit: here is a pic for reference courtesy of Deskthority's wikiShow Image(http://deskthority.net/w/images/3/35/CherryMxPlatePcbMounted.jpg)