The HHKB is actually "case mounted" as the switches are moulded into the case. Weird design. Anywho, I've only tried different plate mounted topre for now but I should have an HHKB in come tuesday so I'll report back here and give a real answer :)
The HHKB is actually "case mounted" as the switches are moulded into the case. Weird design. Anywho, I've only tried different plate mounted topre for now but I should have an HHKB in come tuesday so I'll report back here and give a real answer :)
Huh, must've missed that lol. But yes, please do! I'm also considering buying an HHKB, but since I'm in Europe it will be quite costly with shipping and everything >.< Especially the silent model.. Yum :'(
The HHKB is actually "case mounted" as the switches are moulded into the case. Weird design. Anywho, I've only tried different plate mounted topre for now but I should have an HHKB in come tuesday so I'll report back here and give a real answer :)
Huh, must've missed that lol. But yes, please do! I'm also considering buying an HHKB, but since I'm in Europe it will be quite costly with shipping and everything >.< Especially the silent model.. Yum :'(
Seeeeeeeeeeee.Show Image(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8044/8103019712_bc9fa4b3ee_h.jpg)
Case-mount FTW ;)
Case mounted Topres let the entire case resonate with the keystroke, amplifying the ever-so-satisfying "thock" of the switch. On a Plate mounted Topre, the plate absorbs most of the resonance, therefore dampening the thock.Yeah I do like the "thock" they make.. So nice sounding! I've heard the silent type "Type S" makes it even more pleasant to type on an HHKB - is that true? Worth the extra money?
Put a HHKB next to a RealForce, and you'll hear what I mean. The HHKB is definitely louder and "thockier". IMO it's the best sounding keyboard ever made, just wish I could use the layout.
i had no idea the hhkb looked like that inside. cool! i want to try a realforce board someday but don't want to buy one just yet.So no HHKB for you? :P
Realforce feels smoother. HHKB sounds better.So HHKB is more scratchy?
45g on hhkb is way more tactile than on the realforce.
It's a personal preference which you prefer. I'm constantly switching between my RF and my HHKB.
Case mounted Topres let the entire case resonate with the keystroke, amplifying the ever-so-satisfying "thock" of the switch. On a Plate mounted Topre, the plate absorbs most of the resonance, therefore dampening the thock.
Put a HHKB next to a RealForce, and you'll hear what I mean. The HHKB is definitely louder and "thockier". IMO it's the best sounding keyboard ever made, just wish I could use the layout.
When i got the Realforce 45g i was very disappointed because it sounded more mushy than my HHKB. As a result i sold the Realforce. I have heard people on this board say that a Realforce 55g sounds more like the HHKB. The disadvantage that the HHKB has is that it doesn't have dedicated arrow keys. Other than that, the HHKB is a dream not just to type on put to travel with as well.
I'd love a FC660C, but in white. I would have bought one of those over the HHKB if they were available at the time I got my HHKB.
That isn't to say I don't like my HHKB - I love it! I just really miss the arrow keys, which I use far more than I realised.
just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
When i got the Realforce 45g i was very disappointed because it sounded more mushy than my HHKB. As a result i sold the Realforce. I have heard people on this board say that a Realforce 55g sounds more like the HHKB. The disadvantage that the HHKB has is that it doesn't have dedicated arrow keys. Other than that, the HHKB is a dream not just to type on put to travel with as well.
BTW!
For people who have tried both the HHKB Type S and the Pro 2, which one do YOU recommend if price isn't an issue?
Well my goal is for the "thump" to be as much pronounced as possibru. I've been thinking about getting an HHKB and mod it into a type S using rubber circles that are 12mm wide with an inner radius of 9mm, as suggested in another thread. Seems to work exactly the same as the same as the Type S and I wouldn't need to pay $100 extra :)BTW!
For people who have tried both the HHKB Type S and the Pro 2, which one do YOU recommend if price isn't an issue?
All of the elitists here have a Type-S. If you take the time to learn about Tenso and Amazon.co.jp there is a guide to get one quite a bit cheaper than you would through say Elite KBD.
It really depends on how much sound bothers you. Is quietness worth $100+?
Well my goal is for the "thump" to be as much pronounced as possibru. I've been thinking about getting an HHKB and mod it into a type S using rubber circles that are 12mm wide with an inner radius of 9mm, as suggested in another thread. Seems to work exactly the same as the same as the Type S and I wouldn't need to pay $100 extra :)BTW!
For people who have tried both the HHKB Type S and the Pro 2, which one do YOU recommend if price isn't an issue?
All of the elitists here have a Type-S. If you take the time to learn about Tenso and Amazon.co.jp there is a guide to get one quite a bit cheaper than you would through say Elite KBD.
It really depends on how much sound bothers you. Is quietness worth $100+?
But nevertheless, ordering an HHKB will still be quite expensive. Where did you find this guide of getting one cheap (will it work for Europeans aswell?)?
Well my goal is for the "thump" to be as much pronounced as possibru. I've been thinking about getting an HHKB and mod it into a type S using rubber circles that are 12mm wide with an inner radius of 9mm, as suggested in another thread. Seems to work exactly the same as the same as the Type S and I wouldn't need to pay $100 extra :)BTW!
For people who have tried both the HHKB Type S and the Pro 2, which one do YOU recommend if price isn't an issue?
All of the elitists here have a Type-S. If you take the time to learn about Tenso and Amazon.co.jp there is a guide to get one quite a bit cheaper than you would through say Elite KBD.
It really depends on how much sound bothers you. Is quietness worth $100+?
But nevertheless, ordering an HHKB will still be quite expensive. Where did you find this guide of getting one cheap (will it work for Europeans aswell?)?
no, it's not exactly the same.
The stems are different.
the hhkb s has a longer stem so that the ring does not change the travel distance.
if you mod the hhkb vanilla, you will reduce the travel distance, NOT ONLY THAT, it will also change the feel of the key dramatically , because You are starting further down the pressure curve.
So a modded hhkb vanilla would start with a higher pressure point.
Why does this matter. You decide for yourself,, BUT, they are NOT THE SAME..
There's a reason to preserve 4mm travel. Because it gives you that satisfaction feeling that a keypress has occured.
You can do without it, sure, but then why did you buy a $200 keyboard to begin with.
Good thread. I was asking the same question myself. Bottom like is once you get used to them both HHKB and Realforce feel just as good?
Even though one sounds better and the other feels better?
I hear a lot of people arguing what feels better cherry or topre...
but what sounds better? HHKB, Realforce, Cherry(with any switch and any keycap)... other...
Good thread. I was asking the same question myself. Bottom like is once you get used to them both HHKB and Realforce feel just as good?From what I've hard on all the numerous YouTube vids, I prefer the HHKB thump! Feelingwise.. I see that a lot of people actually do prefer the HHKB more than Realforce 'cause of more tactility from the case mount?
Even though one sounds better and the other feels better?
I hear a lot of people arguing what feels better cherry or topre...
but what sounds better? HHKB, Realforce, Cherry(with any switch and any keycap)... other...
Is variable recommended for people who practice rock climbing and have practically six-packs on their fingers? :p
Interesting.Indeed.
Interesting.Indeed.
doesn't my message imply the opposite? [attachimg=1]Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
It imposes a butt?doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
It imposes a butt?doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
Good comparison! Sound wise - which one of the two you got do you recommend for a person who's lookig for that special 'thump'? Youtube vids confuse me a lot :/It imposes a butt?doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
Exactly.
So I've been using the HHKB for the last few days and it's been growing on me though I've been struggling with the layout being non standard. I do however like it. So far feel isn't too different to me between the two, though case mount might feel a bit stiffer and more crisp than plate. Sound wise is where the two differ immensely. I love the sound of the case mount though it's actually surprisingly loud compared to a plate mounted 45g uniform. And compared to my 87u Type S, it's like BS compared to o-ringed MX Reds haha. In the end they both feel great and it's up to preference. I wouldn't have thought they could be this different but they are. You'll just have to eventually try them both.
Good comparison! Sound wise - which one of the two you got do you recommend for a person who's lookig for that special 'thump'? Youtube vids confuse me a lot :/It imposes a butt?doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
Exactly.
So I've been using the HHKB for the last few days and it's been growing on me though I've been struggling with the layout being non standard. I do however like it. So far feel isn't too different to me between the two, though case mount might feel a bit stiffer and more crisp than plate. Sound wise is where the two differ immensely. I love the sound of the case mount though it's actually surprisingly loud compared to a plate mounted 45g uniform. And compared to my 87u Type S, it's like BS compared to o-ringed MX Reds haha. In the end they both feel great and it's up to preference. I wouldn't have thought they could be this different but they are. You'll just have to eventually try them both.
doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
Yeah speaking of ANSI.. I'm an ISO-ftw-forever-and-always-'til-death-do-us-apart-guy so I'm quite not fond with the tiny Enter key you guy have :P I've been looking at the HHKB Pro JP quite a while.. Although I wish the keys would be blank, a bit more programmable (specifically the keys next to Space) and a bit more available than from Japan (I'm in Europe and all this toll and tax bull**** drives me nuts) :P keyboard Co doesn't sell them either :/ But thanks for your help!Good comparison! Sound wise - which one of the two you got do you recommend for a person who's lookig for that special 'thump'? Youtube vids confuse me a lot :/It imposes a butt?doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
Exactly.
So I've been using the HHKB for the last few days and it's been growing on me though I've been struggling with the layout being non standard. I do however like it. So far feel isn't too different to me between the two, though case mount might feel a bit stiffer and more crisp than plate. Sound wise is where the two differ immensely. I love the sound of the case mount though it's actually surprisingly loud compared to a plate mounted 45g uniform. And compared to my 87u Type S, it's like BS compared to o-ringed MX Reds haha. In the end they both feel great and it's up to preference. I wouldn't have thought they could be this different but they are. You'll just have to eventually try them both.
If you want the topre Thock, you gotta go HHKB, but if you want an overall great board, either works just fine. If you're used to a normal ANSI layout however, you're gonna have to adjust to the HHKB first. I find myself mistyping a bit for some reason, maybe it's because I'm not used to a 60% after typing on tenkeyless for the last few months, but another thing is the backspace key is above enter, where the \ key is supposed to be. I've gotten used to it in the last 3 days but it was a struggle during those haha.
Pretty much, be all, end all, if you want the stereotypical Topre board, with that wonderful thock and great feel, go for the HHKB. If you want something the feels smoother, lighter, and has a bit more rigidity, refinement, and is quieter, and RF would do you well. To save money, the 660C is phenomenal for the money as well.
If I had to make a recommendation for you personally and what you want, it'd be HHKB > 660C > Any RF.
Woah.. I shall print this picture in a size of 2m x 2m, hang it on my wall in the office and at home and pray to the all-mighty **** Butt!doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:DShow Image(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mb3a61rgM11qcj4dno1_500.png)
I would say that once I used 55g on my HHKB, I definitely made that my preference. It may be just that little bit of flex on the HHKB plastic case, but overall, I just like it better than the Realforce.
It's all just personal preference, when it comes down to it, really.
Mods, man.I would say that once I used 55g on my HHKB, I definitely made that my preference. It may be just that little bit of flex on the HHKB plastic case, but overall, I just like it better than the Realforce.
It's all just personal preference, when it comes down to it, really.
I thought HHKB is only 45g. How did you get a 55g?
Thanks for this awesome thread :) Answered many of my questions! Getting my 660C later this week. I'll be sure to report back after using it for a bit! Hopefully I'll get the chance to try out 55g RF and HHKB in the future soon too... even though I won't be able to buy them...
Thanks for this awesome thread :) Answered many of my questions! Getting my 660C later this week. I'll be sure to report back after using it for a bit! Hopefully I'll get the chance to try out 55g RF and HHKB in the future soon too... even though I won't be able to buy them...
Your own orange keybord :)
Haven't heard anything bad about this keyboard yet.
Thanks for this awesome thread :) Answered many of my questions! Getting my 660C later this week. I'll be sure to report back after using it for a bit! Hopefully I'll get the chance to try out 55g RF and HHKB in the future soon too... even though I won't be able to buy them...
Your own orange keybord :)
Haven't heard anything bad about this keyboard yet.
Keeps my hopes up! The only negative things I've heard about are the keycaps but I can live with it... I think??? :P
What is this "orange keyboard"???
Thanks for this awesome thread :) Answered many of my questions! Getting my 660C later this week. I'll be sure to report back after using it for a bit! Hopefully I'll get the chance to try out 55g RF and HHKB in the future soon too... even though I won't be able to buy them...
Your own orange keybord :)
Haven't heard anything bad about this keyboard yet.
Keeps my hopes up! The only negative things I've heard about are the keycaps but I can live with it... I think??? :P
What is this "orange keyboard"???
Heh Leopold FC660C - HTML colour #FC660C is orange: http://www.colorcodehex.com/fc660c/
And here's some matching orange pictures: http://labs.tineye.com/multicolr/#colors=fc660c;weights=100;
Good comparison! Sound wise - which one of the two you got do you recommend for a person who's lookig for that special 'thump'? Youtube vids confuse me a lot :/It imposes a butt?doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
Exactly.
So I've been using the HHKB for the last few days and it's been growing on me though I've been struggling with the layout being non standard. I do however like it. So far feel isn't too different to me between the two, though case mount might feel a bit stiffer and more crisp than plate. Sound wise is where the two differ immensely. I love the sound of the case mount though it's actually surprisingly loud compared to a plate mounted 45g uniform. And compared to my 87u Type S, it's like BS compared to o-ringed MX Reds haha. In the end they both feel great and it's up to preference. I wouldn't have thought they could be this different but they are. You'll just have to eventually try them both.
If you want the topre Thock, you gotta go HHKB, but if you want an overall great board, either works just fine. If you're used to a normal ANSI layout however, you're gonna have to adjust to the HHKB first. I find myself mistyping a bit for some reason, maybe it's because I'm not used to a 60% after typing on tenkeyless for the last few months, but another thing is the backspace key is above enter, where the \ key is supposed to be. I've gotten used to it in the last 3 days but it was a struggle during those haha.
Pretty much, be all, end all, if you want the stereotypical Topre board, with that wonderful thock and great feel, go for the HHKB. If you want something the feels smoother, lighter, and has a bit more rigidity, refinement, and is quieter, and RF would do you well. To save money, the 660C is phenomenal for the money as well.
If I had to make a recommendation for you personally and what you want, it'd be HHKB > 660C > Any RF.
Good comparison! Sound wise - which one of the two you got do you recommend for a person who's lookig for that special 'thump'? Youtube vids confuse me a lot :/It imposes a butt?doesn't my message imply the opposite? (Attachment Link)Doesn't like topre, walks into topre discussion anyways.just wish I could use the layout.and i wish i could use the switches >:D
Exactly.
So I've been using the HHKB for the last few days and it's been growing on me though I've been struggling with the layout being non standard. I do however like it. So far feel isn't too different to me between the two, though case mount might feel a bit stiffer and more crisp than plate. Sound wise is where the two differ immensely. I love the sound of the case mount though it's actually surprisingly loud compared to a plate mounted 45g uniform. And compared to my 87u Type S, it's like BS compared to o-ringed MX Reds haha. In the end they both feel great and it's up to preference. I wouldn't have thought they could be this different but they are. You'll just have to eventually try them both.
If you want the topre Thock, you gotta go HHKB, but if you want an overall great board, either works just fine. If you're used to a normal ANSI layout however, you're gonna have to adjust to the HHKB first. I find myself mistyping a bit for some reason, maybe it's because I'm not used to a 60% after typing on tenkeyless for the last few months, but another thing is the backspace key is above enter, where the \ key is supposed to be. I've gotten used to it in the last 3 days but it was a struggle during those haha.
Pretty much, be all, end all, if you want the stereotypical Topre board, with that wonderful thock and great feel, go for the HHKB. If you want something the feels smoother, lighter, and has a bit more rigidity, refinement, and is quieter, and RF would do you well. To save money, the 660C is phenomenal for the money as well.
If I had to make a recommendation for you personally and what you want, it'd be HHKB > 660C > Any RF.
I bought a RF 87U type S. Loved it. Then bought an HHKB Pro2. Love it too. Then I bought a RF 55g uni.
I gave the 87U type S to my son (in college on a CS major, so it's not going to waste). These days I switch back and forth between the HHKB and RF 55g, with 75% of my time spent on the 55g RF. If I had to pick just one, hands down it would be the RF 55g.
I recommend you try the RF 55g uni, after which you may revise your above '>' text string.