CaptainB@d@$$ has a night write up hereThank you for the link,
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40227.0
The easy way to reduce the noise of bottoming out is to simply not bottom out ;)
The easy way to reduce the noise of bottoming out is to simply not bottom out ;)
For me - It's too hard :)
Especially when I want to fill my code with all my rage :)
The easy way to reduce the noise of bottoming out is to simply not bottom out ;)
For me - It's too hard :)
Especially when I want to fill my code with all my rage :)
HAHA! I have started another topic " Topic: New IBM Model M - Is it real to find? " :)
I think if I will be using noisy keyboard on daily basis my colleagues will kill me =)
Maybe get a Model M for your rage sessions it might rage back a little haha ;)
Used Model M's are not hard to find but I'd suggest reading through some of the model m discussion so you know what your getting into.
Used Model M's are not hard to find but I'd suggest reading through some of the model m discussion so you know what your getting into.
ok, I'll do it.
But returning to the topic:
What is more preferable to use with mx cherry brown switches to reduce the sound but leave the natural feeling?
Used Model M's are not hard to find but I'd suggest reading through some of the model m discussion so you know what your getting into.
ok, I'll do it.
But returning to the topic:
What is more preferable to use with mx cherry brown switches to reduce the sound but leave the natural feeling?
I'll let someone else answer that, I honestly don't care for browns and quickly got rid of the brown board I had.
Used Model M's are not hard to find but I'd suggest reading through some of the model m discussion so you know what your getting into.
ok, I'll do it.
But returning to the topic:
What is more preferable to use with mx cherry brown switches to reduce the sound but leave the natural feeling?
I'll let someone else answer that, I honestly don't care for browns and quickly got rid of the brown board I had.
Why? (I didn't get it yet...)
Used Model M's are not hard to find but I'd suggest reading through some of the model m discussion so you know what your getting into.
ok, I'll do it.
But returning to the topic:
What is more preferable to use with mx cherry brown switches to reduce the sound but leave the natural feeling?
I'll let someone else answer that, I honestly don't care for browns and quickly got rid of the brown board I had.
Why? (I didn't get it yet...)
Well I expected browns to be tactile but I had a hard time really feeling anything. I much prefer stock clears. It's all personal preference really.
Used Model M's are not hard to find but I'd suggest reading through some of the model m discussion so you know what your getting into.
ok, I'll do it.
But returning to the topic:
What is more preferable to use with mx cherry brown switches to reduce the sound but leave the natural feeling?
I'll let someone else answer that, I honestly don't care for browns and quickly got rid of the brown board I had.
Why? (I didn't get it yet...)
Well I expected browns to be tactile but I had a hard time really feeling anything. I much prefer stock clears. It's all personal preference really.
I would buy clears...but filco doesn't have it =(
1) "What is more preferable to use with mx cherry brown switches to reduce the sound but leave the natural feeling?"
Landing pads. The o-ring travel reduction makes the switches feel completely different and I didn't care for any o-rings. Soft landing pads retain most of the travel and do a decent job of reducing sound. It's not going to be as much as o-rings though.
2) "Why?" - Referring to Ray's statement that he didn't like Browns.
The tactile bump in Browns is way too light and for me, I can barely feel it. It's wimpy. And the actuation force is also far too light. I much prefer Clears.
3) "I would buy clears...but filco doesn't have it"
You have a Filco, one of the best boards to mod because the PCB is thick and solid. Why not learn how to modify/solder and swap the switches out to be Clears? Soldering really isn't that hard.
1) Do you mean to take off brown switches and exchange them with clears?
2)but set of clears costs around £1.20 *<Number of keys>... it's too expensive for me to buy keyboard for £120 + this set of clears =(
I would like to thank CPTBadAss for his review of dampeners, it was very interesting and useful.
Wow, thank you =) What about the feeling when you hit keycap against the plastic of keyboard? (pad vs o-rings)MoreSome time ago, I have read with great interest CPTBasAss' review of O-rings and landing pads (a link to his review has been given in a post above).
At that time I already had O-rings from The Keyboard Company. I think they are the same ones as CPTBadAss' reds, the ones without the dots. They are 1mm in width and they are soft. I had already tried them in two Filcos TLK (one with browns and one with blues). I had even tried to stack two O-rings (stack three and your keys don't work anymore :) ).
After reading CPTBadAss' review, I ordered several sheets of black landing pads from EliteKeyboards.
If you are looking to reduce the keyboard's noise, the best are black dampeners, followed closely by one O-ring, and the worse (but some could like it) is two stacked O-rings.
Black dampener (landing pad): I confirm they reduce the bottoming-out noise a lot, and your fingers will feel the impact much less. The travel of the key is not reduced much, it's barely noticeable. I recommend them!
One O-ring per key: reduces slightly the travel of the key, but by less than 1mm (the ring has a width of 1mm, and you compress it a little bit when you bottom out, so you still have a little bit more than 3mm of travel). The feel of the keystroke is more faithful to the unmodified key: you still feel the impact when you bottom out, but it's less hard. The noise is slightly louder than with the black dampeners.
Two O-rings per key: it's an interesting experiment. You bottom out immediately after the actuation point. So you always bottom out, however there are two O-rings to dampen the impact, so it's rather quiet. But now the travel of the key is very short (just a little bit longer than 2mm). If you like laptop keyboards, you may like it. I have kept the mod for several days on my Filco with browns, and it's actually usable and I'm sure some people would like it.
So long story short, I recommend the black landing pads from EliteKeyboards, or any equivalent model (is there any other shop that sells them?).
NOTE1: landing pads are tricky for backlighted keyboards. I have modded a KBT Pure Pro with them, but the landing pads sometimes rotate a little bit and the when the corner of a landing pad ends up in front of the LED, the corresponding key is visibly darker than the other ones. In order to avoid this, I recommend O-rings for keyboards with backlighting. I solved the problem differently, by glueing the dampeners to the keycaps (with very very small amounts of glue). I even took advantage of this to have some keys darker than some others, for aesthetical reasons. But it's a lot of work, so if your keyboard has backlighting, just use O-rings, which is exactly what I have just done with my second KBT Pure Pro.
NOTE2: reducing the noise on bottoming out is fine, but a lot of noise comes from the impact of the key when it travels back into its "up" position. I have managed to reduce this noise by using grease, but I'm not sure it's the correct way to do it. I'm not even sure the board will not die from this!
NOTE3: I realize I should definitely try two black landing pads per key! :)
I would like to thank CPTBadAss for his review of dampeners, it was very interesting and useful.
I don't like landing pads at all...and quite a few others on here would agree....It really is just personal preference.
To keep to a point of reference..the red (thinner softer) WASD rings seem to be the best (to me) at doing what you want..Travel is barely reduced (you can still bottom out if you hit it hard enough). Sounds is dampened quite a bit...
A lot will depend on the profile of your keycaps as well...For example, on some OEM profile keycaps, some people have had issues w/ the Red o-rings because they weren't thick enough.....
I don't like landing pads at all...and quite a few others on here would agree....It really is just personal preference.
I don't like landing pads at all...and quite a few others on here would agree....It really is just personal preference.
I can understand this. They feel soft, almost organic, and in a mechanical keyboard they seem out of place.
However they work better at reducing the noise of bottoming out, at least in my experience.
I was trying to make my keyboard more silent because I have someone sleeping in the same room when I work, and the landing pads just do a better work at this. I have tried both, landing pads won.
As I said, with the O-rings you preserve the mechanical feeling because bottoming out is not completely soft. So I can understand the preference for O-rings.
Some people are looking for silence. For them landing pad is a good option.
if I would choose to try o-rings, where and which one I should buy?
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/review/product/list/id/753/category/6/?limit=50&p=3 (which one?)
or http://www.keyboardco.com/product/o-ring-switch-dampeners-for-filco-keyboards.asp
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051XWXCE/ref=biss_dp_t_asn (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051XWXCE/ref=biss_dp_t_asn)
This is what I have on my Filco. They work great.