Ah yes...another convert.
I agree with this review. I, admittedly, have only used blue MX switches, so I have no strong base for comparison. I am thoroughly enjoying my Topre Realforce 87U 55g board. It took me about a day to get used to it. Now when I go back to blue MX switches I feel like they're just cheap and insubstantial compared to the Topre. I do miss the audible click. The "thock" isn't as satisfying as the click sound to me for some reason."THOCK" is better than "click" but I'm Topre biased.
The best comparison of Topre vs MX switch I can think of is:
Topre = weighted piano key
MX = non-weighted keyboard key
It's a significantly different feel.
I agree with this review. I, admittedly, have only used blue MX switches, so I have no strong base for comparison. I am thoroughly enjoying my Topre Realforce 87U 55g board. It took me about a day to get used to it. Now when I go back to blue MX switches I feel like they're just cheap and insubstantial compared to the Topre. I do miss the audible click. The "thock" isn't as satisfying as the click sound to me for some reason.
The best comparison of Topre vs MX switch I can think of is:
Topre = weighted piano key
MX = non-weighted keyboard key
It's a significantly different feel.
I agree with this review. I, admittedly, have only used blue MX switches, so I have no strong base for comparison. I am thoroughly enjoying my Topre Realforce 87U 55g board. It took me about a day to get used to it. Now when I go back to blue MX switches I feel like they're just cheap and insubstantial compared to the Topre. I do miss the audible click. The "thock" isn't as satisfying as the click sound to me for some reason.
The best comparison of Topre vs MX switch I can think of is:
Topre = weighted piano key
MX = non-weighted keyboard key
It's a significantly different feel.
This really makes me want to try the 55g keyboard...I love weighted piano keys...
I think I might buy a 55g White Realforce next..
I think I might buy a 55g White Realforce next..
from EK? That is the one I am looking to get (seems to be the lowest retail price)
I think I might buy a 55g White Realforce next..
from EK? That is the one I am looking to get (seems to be the lowest retail price)
Yeah. But I'm brokeskies right now. Will probably wait until I'm steady in a couple months. But its in my sights..
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)
Just let me 'borrow' yours :P
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)
Just let me 'borrow' yours :p
Which one? :))
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)
Just let me 'borrow' yours :p
Which one? :))
something topre 55g :thumb:
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)I'm on the fence about buying a topre keyboard. Do you prefer your HHKB or Realforce?
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)I'm on the fence about buying a topre keyboard. Do you prefer your HHKB or Realforce?
And what is it that makes you prefer it?
Thanks :)
Thank you for your advice :).Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)I'm on the fence about buying a topre keyboard. Do you prefer your HHKB or Realforce?
And what is it that makes you prefer it?
Thanks :)
They're both almost worlds apart. The HHKB feels and sounds different from the FC660C which uses the exact same setup, 45g uniform, but plate mounted. I think I still prefer the plate mounted switches over case for now just because that's what I've started on, but that's just me. I think any Topre board you pick up will be enjoyable. I gotta say though, I've fallen head over heels for my 87u Type S.
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)I'm on the fence about buying a topre keyboard. Do you prefer your HHKB or Realforce?
And what is it that makes you prefer it?
Thanks :)
They're both almost worlds apart. The HHKB feels and sounds different from the FC660C which uses the exact same setup, 45g uniform, but plate mounted. I think I still prefer the plate mounted switches over case for now just because that's what I've started on, but that's just me. I think any Topre board you pick up will be enjoyable. I gotta say though, I've fallen head over heels for my 87u Type S.
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)I'm on the fence about buying a topre keyboard. Do you prefer your HHKB or Realforce?
And what is it that makes you prefer it?
Thanks :)
They're both almost worlds apart. The HHKB feels and sounds different from the FC660C which uses the exact same setup, 45g uniform, but plate mounted. I think I still prefer the plate mounted switches over case for now just because that's what I've started on, but that's just me. I think any Topre board you pick up will be enjoyable. I gotta say though, I've fallen head over heels for my 87u Type S.
Type S means silenced? How does silenced feel vs non silenced? Does it feel any different? I like the tactile feel.. not sure. There's a realforce silent on ebay i might try to win
I really want to try a 55g topre board now
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CQFiA4Z.jpg)This is my review on the Realforce 87u with uniform 55g keys!
Before I ordered this keyboard I was very hesitant on getting one because of the high price point on a keyboard, especially one that is only available from buying online. I have never had a chance to try any topre switches before and the closest I had to it was cherry mx browns (next to that mx blues). This is going to great a small review on the keyboard about the pros and cons and whether or not you should buy one!
Pros
- The sound of these switches are amazing not loud like blues, not quiet likes reds. In between and still very satisfying
- The key weighting is not heavy. I was worried about getting the 55g switches because people say that they are heavy. I have only used this keyboard for a few days and haven't broken them in yet and the keys are not heavy and not too light either.
- The keyboard comes with a red escape key, 4 purple WASD key caps and extra control and caps lock keys for the dip switch setting.
- Dye-sublimation key caps. These key caps are not engraved so you wont feel them but they are not printed on either so they wont rub off.
- DIP switches. Great way to disable the windows keys and swap the control and caps lock
- Quality. This board looks and feels very sturdy, does not move on the desk, no creaking. Couldn't ask for anything better.
- Size. The TKL layout is perfect! I do not use the numpad (even if I did there is numlock on this board) but it is nice to have dedicated arrow keys, del, page up/down and function keys.
Cons
- If you are not a touch typist the black version is not for you, the keys are nearly impossible to see with the lights off. Instead get the white!
- ABS spacebar. I haven't seen very much shine on my spacebar but it would be nice if these boards included pbt spacebars as all the other keys on the keyboard are pbt.
- Price. If the price is hard to come around, keep saving! This keyboard is worth every penny and also has a very high resale value.
Overall
This is a fantastic board! I love the tactile feedback this keyboard gives, it is very hard to explain but it feels like you put the most force at the beginning of the key press and it gets lighter as you follow through. Unfortunately, I haven't tried 45g topre switches to compare but I am in love with the 55g switches this keyboard has right now. Truth is, I wrote this review just because I enjoy typing on this keyboard.
If you have any questions feel free to send me a PM and I will try and answer them. I am no ripster opening the keyboard up and doing a whole bunch of tests, lubing keyboards but I know basic stuff.
Anyone whom is on the fence about trying a Topre board, I suggest you just take the plunge. You'll most likely fall in love like everyone else, but in the case you don't, you can easily offload it in the classifieds :)I'm on the fence about buying a topre keyboard. Do you prefer your HHKB or Realforce?
And what is it that makes you prefer it?
Thanks :)
If I started with the 45g, I would have been disappointed, and would have joined the Topre hater club.
If I started with the 45g, I would have been disappointed, and would have joined the Topre hater club.
I still think the Realforce 104UG is the bomb :thumb: . Perfect for typing even though it is an all 45g layout (you noticed they never drop the price on this baby). Besides if they decide to ever release a 55g version I'll be all over that like stink-piss.
Not all 45g's suck in the world of Thorpe......
True, 45g does feels pretty good.If I started with the 45g, I would have been disappointed, and would have joined the Topre hater club.
I still think the Realforce 104UG is the bomb :thumb: . Perfect for typing even though it is an all 45g layout (you noticed they never drop the price on this baby). Besides if they decide to ever release a 55g version I'll be all over that like stink-piss.
Not all 45g's suck in the world of Thorpe......
55g is where it's at
I bought both and sold the 55g. I do like my uniform 45g slightly better, but I can see how people like the 55g thock more. It distinguishes itself more as a Topre switch. Neither is perfect though. I do with they made a 49.75g switch. :))
It seems to be a general consensus that HHKB is in between 45g and 55g Realforce. Maybe it is a 49.75g switch? hahaI bought both and sold the 55g. I do like my uniform 45g slightly better, but I can see how people like the 55g thock more. It distinguishes itself more as a Topre switch. Neither is perfect though. I do with they made a 49.75g switch. :))
Get a HHKB :). Feels slightly stiffer than RF 45g for whatever reason...Or buy an older Topre keyboard since the rubber supposedly gets stiffer?
Little disappointed though, there's an extreme lack of pictures, would of been nice to see a few fresh out of the box so to speak
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CQFiA4Z.jpg)This is my review on the Realforce 87u with uniform 55g keys!
Before I ordered this keyboard I was very hesitant on getting one because of the high price point on a keyboard, especially one that is only available from buying online. I have never had a chance to try any topre switches before and the closest I had to it was cherry mx browns (next to that mx blues). This is going to great a small review on the keyboard about the pros and cons and whether or not you should buy one!
Pros
- The sound of these switches are amazing not loud like blues, not quiet likes reds. In between and still very satisfying
- The key weighting is not heavy. I was worried about getting the 55g switches because people say that they are heavy. I have only used this keyboard for a few days and haven't broken them in yet and the keys are not heavy and not too light either.
- The keyboard comes with a red escape key, 4 purple WASD key caps and extra control and caps lock keys for the dip switch setting.
- Dye-sublimation key caps. These key caps are not engraved so you wont feel them but they are not printed on either so they wont rub off.
- DIP switches. Great way to disable the windows keys and swap the control and caps lock
- Quality. This board looks and feels very sturdy, does not move on the desk, no creaking. Couldn't ask for anything better.
- Size. The TKL layout is perfect! I do not use the numpad (even if I did there is numlock on this board) but it is nice to have dedicated arrow keys, del, page up/down and function keys.
Cons
- If you are not a touch typist the black version is not for you, the keys are nearly impossible to see with the lights off. Instead get the white!
- ABS spacebar. I haven't seen very much shine on my spacebar but it would be nice if these boards included pbt spacebars as all the other keys on the keyboard are pbt.
- Price. If the price is hard to come around, keep saving! This keyboard is worth every penny and also has a very high resale value.
Overall
This is a fantastic board! I love the tactile feedback this keyboard gives, it is very hard to explain but it feels like you put the most force at the beginning of the key press and it gets lighter as you follow through. Unfortunately, I haven't tried 45g topre switches to compare but I am in love with the 55g switches this keyboard has right now. Truth is, I wrote this review just because I enjoy typing on this keyboard.
If you have any questions feel free to send me a PM and I will try and answer them. I am no ripster opening the keyboard up and doing a whole bunch of tests, lubing keyboards but I know basic stuff.
I just received the 55g RF a day ago and I am only like 2 hours using it but I find that the mesmerizing THOCK sound of the HHKB is sorely missing in this keyboard except from the BACKSPACE key. Is this normal? I mean, to me, the beauty of Topre is the THOCK sound and this is not as prominent as the HHKB.
I just received the 55g RF a day ago and I am only like 2 hours using it but I find that the mesmerizing THOCK sound of the HHKB is sorely missing in this keyboard except from the BACKSPACE key. Is this normal? I mean, to me, the beauty of Topre is the THOCK sound and this is not as prominent as the HHKB.
Yes, it's perfectly normal. The HHKB thocks so hard because of it's case mounting. The RF is plate mounted, which kills the sound.
i've read in a few places that the board itself feels pretty light...............no t much heft?
just curious
so then it looks to be a tad heavier than a qfr, which is listed at 2.1 lbs. and lighter than a filco (tkl) listed at 2.9 lbs.
right in the middle......
Could it be better case material or the double sided pcb?so then it looks to be a tad heavier than a qfr, which is listed at 2.1 lbs. and lighter than a filco (tkl) listed at 2.9 lbs.
right in the middle......
I wonder what makes the filco so much heavier than the QFR?
Could it be better case material or the double sided pcb?so then it looks to be a tad heavier than a qfr, which is listed at 2.1 lbs. and lighter than a filco (tkl) listed at 2.9 lbs.
right in the middle......
I wonder what makes the filco so much heavier than the QFR?
I'm not angry. No need to get angry at Cherry peasant :D :D :D :D :p :p :p :p
You win!
Ha ha !
I received one of these in the mail today.
This keyboard is VERY difficult to type on; The keys have a lot of resistance to them. I practically have to hammer down on it. I suppose I'm just not used to a keyboard being this resistant when it comes to the keys; But I do feel like I would get fatigue after typing on this for an extended period of time.
Hang on there FlareonTheFlase - Topre typically needs about a week to get used to. And then you will never want any other board. Seriously - even if you start with a lighter switch, eg a 45g Topre such as HHKB, after you are used to that, you want a 55g and when you got a 55g, it is just right. Because you moved from a cheapo rubber dome to a Master-race keyboard, this type of sudden escalation in 'luxury' takes time to get used to, you know :PThis is exactly what happened to me . Exactly.
look what you guys made me do..... :thumb:
look what you guys made me do..... :thumb:
this thing is unbelievable!!
real force should be paying you guys commision
look what you guys made me do..... :thumb:
I like the decisions that you're making in life.
Here's another Realforce 55g review http://www.hardcoreware.net/topre-realforce-87u-55g-review/
look what you guys made me do..... :thumb:
I like the decisions that you're making in life.
Here's another Realforce 55g review http://www.hardcoreware.net/topre-realforce-87u-55g-review/
Oh no, he is pulling out the keycap with that puller :S .
I finally sat down to read this review and I love the GIFs showing the spring and rubber dome in action. I'm surprise that the mechanism is so simple - the spring and rubber domes are just sitting on top of each other and not glued to the board. I'm not sure what I was expecting but definitely not something as simple as this. How does it know you have type a character? I guess that's the capacitive part - meaning the green PBC board itself is touch sensitive? And modding the silencing mod must be maddening if you have to juggle between all these moving domes.look what you guys made me do..... :thumb:
I like the decisions that you're making in life.
Here's another Realforce 55g review http://www.hardcoreware.net/topre-realforce-87u-55g-review/
I finally sat down to read this review and I love the GIFs showing the spring and rubber dome in action. I'm surprise that the mechanism is so simple - the spring and rubber domes are just sitting on top of each other and not glued to the board. I'm not sure what I was expecting but definitely not something as simple as this. How does it know you have type a character? I guess that's the capacitive part - meaning the green PBC board itself is touch sensitive? And modding the silencing mod must be maddening if you have to juggle between all these moving domes.look what you guys made me do..... :thumb:
I like the decisions that you're making in life.
Here's another Realforce 55g review http://www.hardcoreware.net/topre-realforce-87u-55g-review/
Don't want to create a new thread for it, but check this out.
http://www.hardcoreware.net/topre-realforce-87u-55g-review/
He has review for other boards as well
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http://www.hardcoreware.net/vortex-kbt-race-ii-review/
Just being the devil's advocate - how can this be the best purchase when your hand tire after long session? You wouldn't be productive as when you were on Browns, would you?
Just got my 55g and it is too amazing, even thinking of selling one of my HHKBs although it's too soon to do anything that drastic :pNo, don't sell your HHKB. Buy another RF 55g to extract the spring/domes and mod your HHKB to 55g. That is THE end game!
The extra weight is amazing, makes it feel so snappy.
Just got my 55g and it is too amazing, even thinking of selling one of my HHKBs although it's too soon to do anything that drastic :pNo, don't sell your HHKB. Buy another RF 55g to extract the spring/domes and mod your HHKB to 55g. That is THE end game!
The extra weight is amazing, makes it feel so snappy.
Just got my 55g and it is too amazing, even thinking of selling one of my HHKBs although it's too soon to do anything that drastic :pNo, don't sell your HHKB. Buy another RF 55g to extract the spring/domes and mod your HHKB to 55g. That is THE end game!
The extra weight is amazing, makes it feel so snappy.
Cannot do this, solemnly promised my GF that I would not buy anymore keyboards until I got rid of some ;) Have been considering modding my Type-s to 55g but it wouldn't make too much difference to me would just mean I have a 55g at work instead of at home. That being said I am curious as to how a 55g type-s would feel.....
I got a 55g realforce in the mail today and initial impressions after typing on it are.....underwhelming to be honest. I expected it to be more orgasmic on the fingers after hearing so much about it. 55g feels lighter than I imagined. I've been using Cherry MX Blues for the past several months. A couple of Topre convert friends have told me to give it some time so that's what I'm going to do.
Yes, please use it for a few days, or a week if you can.
If, after that, you are still underwhelmed, then maybe Topre is not for you.
But many people warm to Topre so much that they cannot use anything else once they become accustomed to Topre.
I got a 55g realforce in the mail today and initial impressions after typing on it are.....underwhelming to be honest. I expected it to be more orgasmic on the fingers after hearing so much about it. 55g feels lighter than I imagined. I've been using Cherry MX Blues for the past several months. A couple of Topre convert friends have told me to give it some time so that's what I'm going to do.
Yes, please use it for a few days, or a week if you can.
If, after that, you are still underwhelmed, then maybe Topre is not for you.
But many people warm to Topre so much that they cannot use anything else once they become accustomed to Topre.
I disagree about the conclusion that topre might not be for him after just trying the 55g.
55g, 45g and variable silence are all quite different. I haven't tried a FC600C yet but people said it sounds the best among topre. TKL only for me though.
But I read quite a few testimonies on here that they hate 45g but LOVE 55g.
Too lazy to dig those up. Would that be enough as counter argument?
I personally hate the 55g but love my v type-s and 45g. So that's another data point.
That's like saying if you hate MX-green then cherry MX is not for you...
Like I said I believe it all comes down to personal preferences.
[hopefully I'm not coming off as argumentative, online cannot convey emotions well]
Just curious, have you tried 55g & variable type-s?
45g & 55g are similar to red vs black or brown vs clear (well 55g is slightly less heavier than black).
Although the switch type is the same, depending on whether you like to bottom out the key feel is quite different.
The removal of the thock and clack in the type-s makes it a lot different than the 45g & 55g.
V Type-s is more extreme than mx-red. Not quite as big of a difference between blue & red but it's a totally different beast.
I like to bottom out and 45g is the loudest (especially the clack) for me.
Just curious, have you tried 55g & variable type-s?
45g & 55g are similar to red vs black or brown vs clear (well 55g is slightly less heavier than black).
Although the switch type is the same, depending on whether you like to bottom out the key feel is quite different.
The removal of the thock and clack in the type-s makes it a lot different than the 45g & 55g.
V Type-s is more extreme than mx-red. Not quite as big of a difference between blue & red but it's a totally different beast.
I like to bottom out and 45g is the loudest (especially the clack) for me.
Just curious, have you tried 55g & variable type-s?
45g & 55g are similar to red vs black or brown vs clear (well 55g is slightly less heavier than black).
Although the switch type is the same, depending on whether you like to bottom out the key feel is quite different.
The removal of the thock and clack in the type-s makes it a lot different than the 45g & 55g.
V Type-s is more extreme than mx-red. Not quite as big of a difference between blue & red but it's a totally different beast.
I like to bottom out and 45g is the loudest (especially the clack) for me.
would you prefer 45g or 55g topre? Never tried it but always been curious
Some users claimed that a 55g HHKB is THE end game, MJ45. Aren't you tempted?Yes I have been tempted but like I said having the RF 55g the HHKB 45g is a nice change sometimes. Especially for long typing sessions the HHKB is nice.
I got a 55g realforce in the mail today and initial impressions after typing on it are.....underwhelming to be honest. I expected it to be more orgasmic on the fingers after hearing so much about it. 55g feels lighter than I imagined. I've been using Cherry MX Blues for the past several months. A couple of Topre convert friends have told me to give it some time so that's what I'm going to do.
Yes, please use it for a few days, or a week if you can.
If, after that, you are still underwhelmed, then maybe Topre is not for you.
But many people warm to Topre so much that they cannot use anything else once they become accustomed to Topre.
Well I took the advice and I have been using it as much as I can lately. I must say that since I jumped onto Topre from MX Blues, I'd forgotten what MX Browns (EWWWWW) felt like and thought they felt alot like those horrid switches. I've since had a unexpected chance to try those due to an impromptu trip to the girlfriend's place and oh my god, Topre feels NOTHING like MX Browns (EWWWW). The tactile feedback is so much better and its actually alot stiffer than my initial impressions before I had a chance to compare. I now realise my misconceptions about the Topre being similar to MX Browns (EEWWWWW) might have clouded my judgement.
On another note, I love the stealthy look of the low contrast between the legends and keycaps but they are hard to use for a non touch typist like me in low light conditions. This is actually a bigger issue than I initially expected it to be so just a heads up for all the others out there who aren't able to type without sneaking a glance at their boards once in a while.
Well I took the advice and I have been using it as much as I can lately. I must say that since I jumped onto Topre from MX Blues, I'd forgotten what MX Browns (EWWWWW) felt like and thought they felt alot like those horrid switches. I've since had a unexpected chance to try those due to an impromptu trip to the girlfriend's place and oh my god, Topre feels NOTHING like MX Browns (EWWWW). The tactile feedback is so much better and its actually alot stiffer than my initial impressions before I had a chance to compare. I now realise my misconceptions about the Topre being similar to MX Browns (EEWWWWW) might have clouded my judgement.
On another note, I love the stealthy look of the low contrast between the legends and keycaps but they are hard to use for a non touch typist like me in low light conditions. This is actually a bigger issue than I initially expected it to be so just a heads up for all the others out there who aren't able to type without sneaking a glance at their boards once in a while.
I have a HHKB black on black keyboard and I typed pretty well. At times I thought I could even type without looking. Feeling extremely confidence, I bough the black white-grey caps and fitted the HHKB with that. While I could still type, I had a lot of stress because there were many times I made mistakes. The subtle stress made typing no fun and I realise I have a lot to learn. Swap it back to alphas and I am totally confident again. But blanks caps are so beautiful!
Hi, I just read at deskthority that RF 55g is an exclusive product of Elite Keyboards...
Is it true?
That would be a supporting factor in Brian's aggressiveness in protecting that relationship w/ Topre/Leopold
yep. i would say ANY topre is better than mx browns(and especially 55g). they're not similiar to browns at all and that is a GREAT thing.
yep. i would say ANY topre is better than mx browns(and especially 55g). they're not similiar to browns at all and that is a GREAT thing.
Just coming from browns to Topre I can attest to this statement. I will not be going back to Cherry MX.
I'm using at this moment clears (at home) and RG variable topre (at work) and is true, topre grows in you. Now I'm considering buying RF 55g... I read lots of comments saying that 45g topre feel different on RF board than on HHKB or than on Leopold fc660c. Any one could said if that difference is that big?
I'm just looking for an snappier topre... Is RF 55g the best option?
Thanks!
not sure if it's of any interest, but the hell's shop in hong kong is selling realforce 55g silent edition for $350 usd.
i think it's the 10th edition colorShow Image(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10527448_671394869577145_7586882304385665351_n.jpg)
Indeed 55g Topre would be notably stiffer than whatever browns and 45g blues are. Especially with the different force curve.
Indeed 55g Topre would be notably stiffer than whatever browns and 45g blues are. Especially with the different force curve.
Are there an pictures of the Topre force curves? I have not seen them.
I am really curious why 45g browns feel too light for me but 45g topre feels fine. I now use a HHKB at home and clears at work and have no issue switching between the two. They both seem to have about the weight that I like :)
Indeed 55g Topre would be notably stiffer than whatever browns and 45g blues are. Especially with the different force curve.
Are there an pictures of the Topre force curves? I have not seen them.
I am really curious why 45g browns feel too light for me but 45g topre feels fine. I now use a HHKB at home and clears at work and have no issue switching between the two. They both seem to have about the weight that I like :)
There's one about 1/3 the way down this page: http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/why-not-t7889.html
Its already saying there. Operating and release.