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Title: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 12:01:33
Looking to buy a rubber dome or scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard.
All the ones I've seen on Amazon and NewEgg are full size.
Any ideas?
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: daerid on Mon, 12 August 2013, 12:02:15
Not trying to troll, but curious as to why RD? Do you just want the low profile?
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 12 August 2013, 12:02:46
I've never seen a TKL RD board but I know that the Razer Lycosa is very popular among pro-gamers who don't use mechanicals.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 12:06:21
Less travel (faster?)
Quiet
Cheap

Not trying to troll, but curious as to why RD? Do you just want the low profile?
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 12:08:08
Good one, but I'm looking for tenkeyless...

I've never seen a TKL RD board but I know that the Razer Lycosa is very popular among pro-gamers who don't use mechanicals.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 12 August 2013, 12:08:41
You can get a QFR for as low as $45. It normally goes on sale for $50-65. I'm not sure what your budget is but the Lycosa already goes for like $65-90.

If you want the board to be quieter, maybe tried Reds/Blacks with landing pads/o-rings?

Like I said, I've never seen a TKL rubberdome.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: Xenderwind on Mon, 12 August 2013, 12:39:30
I have to agree with CPT.  QFR's are pretty cheap, they just won't be as quiet as a RD.  I don't really think your travel distance should matter that much, it's already a very small distance so the difference should be minimal.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 12 August 2013, 12:52:38
IBM M4

(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2006/nov022006/nov022006-001.jpg)
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: phoenix1234 on Mon, 12 August 2013, 13:03:18
Looking to buy a rubber dome or scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard.
All the ones I've seen on Amazon and NewEgg are full size.
Any ideas?

I'm not in to this kind of keyboard.
However since I used to have one of this , I would like to recommend it to you (if you really prefer scissor switch)  :
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/sculpt-mobile-keyboard
Pros:
- Ergonomic
- Bluetooth
- Light weight -> mobility
- TKL
- scissor switch (under-graded)

Cons:
- Not cheap
- Non-mechanical
- Glossy finish
- Battery
- No flexible stand

Hope this can help.  ;D
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: noons on Mon, 12 August 2013, 13:38:14
You do realized you asked about a rubber dome keyboard on a forum community dedicated to the best keyboards in the world right??
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 12 August 2013, 13:42:27
Less travel (faster?)
Quiet
Cheap

Not trying to troll, but curious as to why RD? Do you just want the low profile?

A mechanical meeting these requirements is the cherry G84-4***. I have a G84-4101SPAUS that I got on ebay for probably about $10. It has PBT keycaps (though it's more common to find them with lasered or pad print) and small. Cherry G84 (ML) switches are very quiet.

I used a cheap logitch rubberdome for gaming before I dug up a model M from our attic. You can have it if you like, but I can't imagine why you'd want it for anything. It's not great and only 2KRO.

By the way, the older slectric typewriters have (amazingly enough) 3KRO, whereas the newer wheelwriters have the 2KRO of all model M's


You do realized you asked about a rubber dome keyboard on a forum community dedicated to the best keyboards in the world right??
Topre keyboards are rubber dome and quite well regarded here. I have an alphametric rubberdome with capacitive NKRO that is also very nice, but that's partially due to the excellent magnesium case. Rubber dome does not equate bad quality, and they certainly belong here. Topre have certainly found their place.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 14:17:22
Thanks, got this one. I was planning on selling it (I do like it)...

IBM M4

Show Image
(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2006/nov022006/nov022006-001.jpg)

Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 14:19:01
Thanks, go this one too (actually the Arc model)...
But mines is wireless, so looking for the gaming version....

Looking to buy a rubber dome or scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard.
All the ones I've seen on Amazon and NewEgg are full size.
Any ideas?

I'm not in to this kind of keyboard.
However since I used to have one of this , I would like to recommend it to you (if you really prefer scissor switch)  :
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/sculpt-mobile-keyboard
Pros:
- Ergonomic
- Bluetooth
- Light weight -> mobility
- TKL
- scissor switch (under-graded)

Cons:
- Not cheap
- Non-mechanical
- Glossy finish
- Battery
- No flexible stand

Hope this can help.  ;D
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 14:21:39
Thanks, got this one too...
The keys are a bit smaller than normal and I keep pressing the "`~" key which brings the console in BF3.
I should disable that key at least for playing BF3.

Less travel (faster?)
Quiet
Cheap

Not trying to troll, but curious as to why RD? Do you just want the low profile?

A mechanical meeting these requirements is the cherry G84-4***. I have a G84-4101SPAUS that I got on ebay for probably about $10. It has PBT keycaps (though it's more common to find them with lasered or pad print) and small. Cherry G84 (ML) switches are very quiet.

I used a cheap logitch rubberdome for gaming before I dug up a model M from our attic. You can have it if you like, but I can't imagine why you'd want it for anything. It's not great and only 2KRO.

By the way, the older slectric typewriters have (amazingly enough) 3KRO, whereas the newer wheelwriters have the 2KRO of all model M's


You do realized you asked about a rubber dome keyboard on a forum community dedicated to the best keyboards in the world right??
Topre keyboards are rubber dome and quite well regarded here. I have an alphametric rubberdome with capacitive NKRO that is also very nice, but that's partially due to the excellent magnesium case. Rubber dome does not equate bad quality, and they certainly belong here. Topre have certainly found their place.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 12 August 2013, 14:30:17
So... yea what everyone says.. Ergodox is the best keyboard for your requirements.

You can mod it down to 2.5mm travel if you want to with uber thick orings.

and if you do that, it will more or less feel like rubber dome given all the cushioning.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 14:44:05
Also got the mini G84-4100 (the keys are smaller than normal).
I keep hitting the "`~" key bringing up the console in BF3 (stopping all possible playing).
I should disable this key at least for BF3.
Also, while typing fast I keep mistyping (pretty sure it's the smaller keys and some uncommon placement of keys like DEL and smaller Backspace keys for example).

Less travel (faster?)
Quiet
Cheap

Not trying to troll, but curious as to why RD? Do you just want the low profile?

A mechanical meeting these requirements is the cherry G84-4***. I have a G84-4101SPAUS that I got on ebay for probably about $10. It has PBT keycaps (though it's more common to find them with lasered or pad print) and small. Cherry G84 (ML) switches are very quiet.

I used a cheap logitch rubberdome for gaming before I dug up a model M from our attic. You can have it if you like, but I can't imagine why you'd want it for anything. It's not great and only 2KRO.

By the way, the older slectric typewriters have (amazingly enough) 3KRO, whereas the newer wheelwriters have the 2KRO of all model M's


You do realized you asked about a rubber dome keyboard on a forum community dedicated to the best keyboards in the world right??
Topre keyboards are rubber dome and quite well regarded here. I have an alphametric rubberdome with capacitive NKRO that is also very nice, but that's partially due to the excellent magnesium case. Rubber dome does not equate bad quality, and they certainly belong here. Topre have certainly found their place.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: MOZ on Mon, 12 August 2013, 14:52:18
Scissor switch any day over RD.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: last_sd on Mon, 12 August 2013, 15:01:13
I have Razer Arctosa. It's nice for non-mechanical keyboard.
However it is not TKL.
It would be really hard to find TKL in-expansive gaming keyboard.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: davkol on Mon, 12 August 2013, 15:15:58
SideWinder X6, although I'm not too fond of that kind of rubber dome, keycaps and layout in a way. And probably 2KRO.

BTW what kind of gaming? Wouldn't a nostromo or G13 work?
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 16:00:44
The only one I like (and still own) is the TypeMatrix 2030 (new model).
However, the shift key placement for gaming is out of the way (I know I can remap the keys for BF3).
I'll try remapping the keys, but still a little more force required and a little more noise compared to RD.


Scissor switch any day over RD.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 16:04:48
BF3 (frist person shooter).
Yes, I guess The Nostromo or G13 would work...
Have the Wolf King Warrior and I could never get used to it (large slightly misplaced and missing keys (of course)).
I guess that's the best of both worlds...
 

SideWinder X6, although I'm not too fond of that kind of rubber dome, keycaps and layout in a way. And probably 2KRO.

BTW what kind of gaming? Wouldn't a nostromo or G13 work?
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Mon, 12 August 2013, 23:45:38
Thanks guys, OK, the closest thing I found is the ROCCAT ARVO, it's not tenkeyless but at least has the arrow keys embedded in the number keypad, 1000Hz polling, programmable software, three programmable buttons, 5 different setups, etc.
Retails for $50+. Found a new? (looks used) on EBay for $27 (including shipping).
I'll add it to my collection... 
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: yasuo on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:05:22
Irocks or Tt Knucker :thumb:
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: Burz on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:22:26
Lenovo sells a ThinkPad TKL desktop model using their special scissor switches. Retails for around $65.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:40:42
TKL rubberdome? Heard these are nice...

[attachimg=1]

*runs*
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: hoggy on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:49:38
I've got a tkl rubber dome keyboard. IBM did one with a trackpoint.

It's loud and stiff.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: rootwyrm on Tue, 13 August 2013, 03:37:38
Why, WHY do people keep dropping M4's on the guy? Holy crap, even I hate the M4. It's a pile of crap.

No, you want one of these (http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9231/subcatid/0/id/486841). An IBM TrackPoint Keyboard. One, it's brand new. Two, it's thirty five bucks. Three, it's not Rubber Dumb. Four, it's a good keyboard.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: davkol on Tue, 13 August 2013, 04:09:12
...and it's PITA to use for gaming because of annoying blocking issues.

source: personal experience
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: Burz on Tue, 13 August 2013, 05:17:20
Why, WHY do people keep dropping M4's on the guy? Holy crap, even I hate the M4. It's a pile of crap.

No, you want one of these (http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9231/subcatid/0/id/486841). An IBM TrackPoint Keyboard. One, it's brand new. Two, it's thirty five bucks. Three, it's not Rubber Dumb. Four, it's a good keyboard.

Yeah, but...

1) Scissor switch boards are a type of rubber dome board

2) The discontinued board you linked to doesn't seem to have Windows keys

Just sayin.  ;)
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: Linkbane on Tue, 13 August 2013, 08:15:21
TKL rubberdome? Heard these are nice...

(Attachment Link)

*runs*

That was beautiful. *bows in respect*
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 13 August 2013, 13:42:57
I saw a TLK scissor-switch chiclet keyboard in a store once... but neglected to note down the manufacturer and model number. I have been trying to find it again, but no luck so far.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: uzoc on Tue, 13 August 2013, 14:07:15
Thanks, this is the one I'm missing, definitely a good deal and can't go wrong (pretty sure).
I already have the IBM M4 and trying to sell it (perfect size, but the feel is not good).

Why, WHY do people keep dropping M4's on the guy? Holy crap, even I hate the M4. It's a pile of crap.

No, you want one of these (http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/9231/subcatid/0/id/486841). An IBM TrackPoint Keyboard. One, it's brand new. Two, it's thirty five bucks. Three, it's not Rubber Dumb. Four, it's a good keyboard.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 21 December 2013, 20:53:25
I saw a TLK scissor-switch chiclet keyboard in a store once... but neglected to note down the manufacturer and model number. I have been trying to find it again, but no luck so far.
It was apparently for a Samsung all-in-one PC (http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/04/samsung-series-7-all-in-one-pc/). I don't think the keyboard is sold separately.
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: terran5992 on Sun, 22 December 2013, 00:39:51
I would say scissor is better than dome
Title: Re: Rubber Dome or Scissor (tenkeyless) gaming keyboard
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 22 December 2013, 03:37:37
I would say scissor is better than dome

+1

At least the Apple alunimium keyboard was one of the better ones I have used, allowing for the scissor switches, and given that this was before I got my first modern mechanical keyboard.