The olympics is a business. a very large and expensive international advertising campaign.
Things such as gay rights, etc, are such potent topics that they can thwart the core ad-messages of the olympic sponsors.
Think of it that way...
The olympics is a business. a very large and expensive international advertising campaign.
Things such as gay rights, etc, are such potent topics that they can thwart the core ad-messages of the olympic sponsors.
Think of it that way...
then **** them, i hope they go bankrupt.
*****es.
also, IOC punishes athletes that speak out against a country's laws. So it's not so much that they are homophobic, as they are a bunch of little *****es.
also, IOC punishes athletes that speak out against a country's laws. So it's not so much that they are homophobic, as they are a bunch of little *****es.
They're a business where the athletes get the worst end of the deal, that's for sure.
But if you look further, Being an athelete is not really more rigorous than many minimum wage jobs, so in that respect their market value isn't much higher, despite their social status.
So... the athletes will have to boycott the olympics for anything to happen..
This is not so easy for atheletes, because if they denounce their most grand competition, then that would deminish whatever they gained once their demands are met.
To complain about the olympic company is doubly bad, which is why change can not come from attrition on part of the athelets.
also, IOC punishes athletes that speak out against a country's laws. So it's not so much that they are homophobic, as they are a bunch of little *****es.
They're a business where the athletes get the worst end of the deal, that's for sure.
But if you look further, Being an athelete is not really more rigorous than many minimum wage jobs, so in that respect their market value isn't much higher, despite their social status.
So... the athletes will have to boycott the olympics for anything to happen..
This is not so easy for atheletes, because if they denounce their most grand competition, then that would deminish whatever they gained once their demands are met.
To complain about the olympic company is doubly bad, which is why change can not come from attrition on part of the athelets.
A lot of the top athletes could probably stand up and still live comfortably until they get things in order again, considering how bad LGBT++ people are having it in Russia it really is a cause worth taking a hit for.
lol
There is no solid data that LGBT acceptance in Russia is any "worse" than say USA.
For example, the current hot topic has been the controversial ban of Gay rights activism around "CHILDREN"lol
You can not talk about gay rights without talking about sex, and that subject could become explicit quite easily.
There is certainly a need to shield children from the more explicit topics until they have acquired the necessary context to understand sexuality....
THIS was the purpose for the Russian ban.
These gay rights protests are usually mobs of "morons" headed by intellectuals that capitalizes on their stupidity.
Not always the case, but THIS is one such case.
There is no solid data that LGBT acceptance in Russia is any "worse" than say USA.what is your source of information? is this from chinese news?
You can't just look at sensationalistic Journalism on the News.
For example, the current hot topic has been the controversial ban of Gay rights activism around "CHILDREN"
You can not talk about gay rights without talking about sex, and that subject could become explicit quite easily.
There is certainly a need to shield children from the more explicit topics until they have acquired the necessary context to understand sexuality....
THIS was the purpose for the Russian ban.
These gay rights protests are usually mobs of "morons" headed by intellectuals that capitalizes on their stupidity.
Not always the case, but THIS is one such case.
IOC is all about the money.
Whoever pays them the most and will spend the most on the celebrations is who gets the Olympics. If you think they give two sh*ts about what else happens you are wrong. They only care about how things look, and how much money they can make in the process.
As a business in the city hosting, it's illegal to even mention the Olympics without a permit. Did no one notice how London became a police state during the Olympics, this is actually normal. The only oddball part was rocket batteries on the rooftops, but expect serious firepower from here on out.
Salt Lake City nearly lost hosting due to the fact that how much they spent bribing officials got out. The official limit is $200 per official, SLC spent over $1mil per member in bribes after losing out 4 times prior.
Rio is currently going through and systematically wiping out the ghetto in order to make things "look" better. This includes slash and burn to wipe it out.
It took Greece over 5 years to recover what they spent to host the games. It's taken nearly 30 years for Montreal to pay off the stadium they built to host the games. Switzerland had the chance to host and after seeing what all they would give up, and how much it would cost, told the IOC to get lost.
On the bright side, whether they like it or not, Russia and the IOC may have just caused the biggest human rights campaign in history.
i'm still very curious about why the word "homophobic" is used for someone who doesn't like gays.
The only people who care about gay rights are gay or parents of gays...Gays have more buying power than most minorities and are slowly gaining more political clout through lobbyists because of that monetary influence. This is also why Fortune 500 companies took note of them years ago. It's local businesses who have yet to realize it. You don't need more people for your cause, you just need money and lobbyists.
Most other people, it's a non-issue...
That's the problem.. from the perspective of businesses, Gays' are too much of a minority to bother pleasing..
What they need to do is somehow make more gay people.. I don't know how they'd do this, but that's really the only way..
Anytime some group or individual starts making laws against certain behaviors, you have to wonder if maybe it's because they see those tendencies in themselves, and are afraid of what that means.
The only people who care about gay rights are gay or parents of gays...Gays have more buying power than most minorities and are slowly gaining more political clout through lobbyists because of that monetary influence. This is also why Fortune 500 companies took note of them years ago. It's local businesses who have yet to realize it. You don't need more people for your cause, you just need money and lobbyists.
Most other people, it's a non-issue...
That's the problem.. from the perspective of businesses, Gays' are too much of a minority to bother pleasing..
What they need to do is somehow make more gay people.. I don't know how they'd do this, but that's really the only way..
As for who cares, seems to me it's about families more than just the parents and gays themselves. Most people know one, which is why it's become such an issue.
The only people who care about gay rights are gay or parents of gays...i could care, i just don't know, which gay rights are violated here?
(http://iamtravelinglight.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/facepalm-by-alex-e-proimos-flicker-creative-commons.jpg)i'm still very curious about why the word "homophobic" is used for someone who doesn't like gays.
are you really curious? reeeeeaaaaaally?
because you're on this site, i assume you're at least somewhat nerdy, or at least inclined toward refining your own knowledge of things... and at the very least, you know how to use google. and the top two results for 'homophobia' are preeeeeeeeeeetty cut and dry. one is the wikipedia entry and the other is the dictionary.com entry.
note that 'irrational fear' is almost last on the list of possible manifestations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia).
note that both the dictionary.com definition and the world english definition mention antipathy and not just irrational fear. (http://"http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia")
geekhack is no place for ignorance, we're all pretty sharp at at least a couple of things here. it's one thing to really be unaware of something you're not familiar with; it's another thing to willingly maintain ignorance, or the appearance thereof, on a pretty big social concern worldwide.
The only people who care about gay rights are gay or parents of gays...Gays have more buying power than most minorities and are slowly gaining more political clout through lobbyists because of that monetary influence. This is also why Fortune 500 companies took note of them years ago. It's local businesses who have yet to realize it. You don't need more people for your cause, you just need money and lobbyists.
Most other people, it's a non-issue...
That's the problem.. from the perspective of businesses, Gays' are too much of a minority to bother pleasing..
What they need to do is somehow make more gay people.. I don't know how they'd do this, but that's really the only way..
As for who cares, seems to me it's about families more than just the parents and gays themselves. Most people know one, which is why it's become such an issue.
They have greater buying power relative to their population sure.
but THEY do not make up the majority of the consumer market.
Having lots of money doesn't actually make you a HUGE consumer..
The only people who care about gay rights are gay or parents of gays...i could care, i just don't know, which gay rights are violated here?
In Russia it is now illegal to even speak about homosexuality around minorswrong.
much less openly display gay pridewrong. (and what's the point of being proud of own sexual preference? and displaying such pride?).
Technically the ban is against "propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations" around minorsright.
Public displays of affection by gays, including holding hands or displaying symbols like a rainbow flag, are now bannedwrong.
Violators face steep fines and jail timewrong. no jail time, though $130 fine may be steep for someone.
foreigners face (...) deportation.right. i dream of millions of immigrants from central asia spreading donkey sex propaganda around russian kids.
So what will happen to openly gay athletes and fansnothing.
as well as any vocal supporters or protestorsviolation of this rule 50 of olympic charter, apparently.
This week, comments by a lawmaker from St. Petersburg set off a firestorm online when he said that fans and athletes would not be immune from prosecution during the games.most likely wrong.
that's bad for straight islamic/indian men who regularly hold hands with each other.obviously almost no indian men here. local islamic men don't do so. though chechens like to do the group men kissing on meetups, would be fun if they get prosecuted for that.
I'm still astonished that tp4tissue talks with the authority of an expert on any subject. Quite a talent.
Anyways, the Track and Field World Championships are going on right now. An American, Nick Symmonds, won the silver medal is the 800 meters (the first medal for an American in that event in 16 years, btw). He had some thoughts on Russia's recent policies. If more athletes speak up in this manner, it will make the IOC and Russian lawmakers look like the clowns they are.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3755462
i'm still very curious about why the word "homophobic" is used for someone who doesn't like gays.
are you really curious? reeeeeaaaaaally?
because you're on this site, i assume you're at least somewhat nerdy, or at least inclined toward refining your own knowledge of things... and at the very least, you know how to use google. and the top two results for 'homophobia' are preeeeeeeeeeetty cut and dry. one is the wikipedia entry and the other is the dictionary.com entry.
note that 'irrational fear' is almost last on the list of possible manifestations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia).
note that both the dictionary.com definition and the world english definition mention antipathy and not just irrational fear. (http://"http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobia")
geekhack is no place for ignorance, we're all pretty sharp at at least a couple of things here. it's one thing to really be unaware of something you're not familiar with; it's another thing to willingly maintain ignorance, or the appearance thereof, on a pretty big social concern worldwide.Show Image(http://iamtravelinglight.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/facepalm-by-alex-e-proimos-flicker-creative-commons.jpg)
that's your answer? really?
lol
There is no solid data that LGBT acceptance in Russia is any "worse" than say USA.For example, the current hot topic has been the controversial ban of Gay rights activism around "CHILDREN"lol
You can not talk about gay rights without talking about sex, and that subject could become explicit quite easily.
There is certainly a need to shield children from the more explicit topics until they have acquired the necessary context to understand sexuality....THIS was the purpose for the Russian ban.
These gay rights protests are usually mobs of "morons" headed by intellectuals that capitalizes on their stupidity.
Not always the case, but THIS is one such case.
lol and also lol
that's your answer? really?
Is it any worse than "lol"? Just sayin.lol
There is no solid data that LGBT acceptance in Russia is any "worse" than say USA.For example, the current hot topic has been the controversial ban of Gay rights activism around "CHILDREN"lol
You can not talk about gay rights without talking about sex, and that subject could become explicit quite easily.
There is certainly a need to shield children from the more explicit topics until they have acquired the necessary context to understand sexuality....THIS was the purpose for the Russian ban.
These gay rights protests are usually mobs of "morons" headed by intellectuals that capitalizes on their stupidity.
Not always the case, but THIS is one such case.
lol and also lol
racism! you forgot racism!
obviously almost no indian men here. local islamic men don't do so. though chechens like to do the group men kissing on meetups, would be fun if they get prosecuted for that.I don't consider systematic marginalization and oppression of ways of life that fall outside of cultural norms "fun" but that's just me.
never heard about someone SYSTEMATICALLY oppressed for such behaviour (actually a norm for caucasian nations). and yes, barely anything could be funnier than OMON crew chasing a group of chechens who kissed when meeting!obviously almost no indian men here. local islamic men don't do so. though chechens like to do the group men kissing on meetups, would be fun if they get prosecuted for that.I don't consider systematic marginalization and oppression of ways of life that fall outside of cultural norms "fun" but that's just me.
If you are attacked openly for your way of life/ethnicity/sexual orientation, widespread awareness and visibility is one way to go about changing the situation that you find yourself in.it surely will make sense in iran. but what is the meaning of "Pride" in sweden, canada, netherlands, etc? where same-sex marriage is a norm?
Despite the fact that there are several European countries where same-sex marriages are both legal and normal there is still quite a bit of stigma around it in at least some of those countries. Although the pride deal is a double-edged sword, I'm not sure if it's the best way to go about things.
it surely will make sense in iran. but what is the meaning of "Pride" in sweden, canada, netherlands, etc? where same-sex marriage is a norm?
I can see how pride could be viewed as an impediment to improvement but I believe that when you seek awareness/improvement something is better than nothing. I believe that the ability to create change starts with awareness and visibility. Again there are probably examples on both sides positive/negative. But when an individual believes that the society in which they live works against what they believe is right they are bound to speak up eventually. Personal/societal beliefs will determine how much or little acceptance there will be around any given topic and how the topic will be addressed once the awareness stage is reached.
I wasn't saying that pride is bad and that they should stop, like I said it's a double edged sword; both creating awareness while also giving those who disagree with them a bit of ammunition.That's a really good point to take into consideration in deciding how best to handle the awareness aspect. There is definitely no clear answer as to best go about things in issues like this, as there will always be strong voices on both sides. I love getting different views in conversations like this as I had not considered the "ammunition" aspect when I was typing that.
http://instinctmagazine.com/post/olympic-committee-confirms-it-will-punish-athletes-who-support-lgbt-rights-russia
honestly... any argument in their defense is probably just gonna make me think you're a piece of **** but whatever
The impasse we seem to find ourselves at seem to have less to do with tolerance and more with indoctrination. From my perspective, the LGBT movement does not appear to be satisfied with the rest of the world tolerating their freedom of expression, a position I do not have an issue with, but rather, forcing everyone to reject their own convictions and heartily embrace lifestyles they believe are wrong. How is that different than what the "traditional values" people have been accused of doing?
hello. i like you.http://instinctmagazine.com/post/olympic-committee-confirms-it-will-punish-athletes-who-support-lgbt-rights-russia
honestly... any argument in their defense is probably just gonna make me think you're a piece of **** but whatever
Becoming sensitive to others is a process. We begin life as egocentric beings. As we grow we become aware that others have needs,values and perspectives that are unlike our own. We may choose to ignore another's needs and values, we may even wish them ill, or we may choose to seek common ground, find the good in them and experience true empathy toward them.
Some here may think I'm a piece of **** because of my Christian perspective. Like you, I have a set of values and standards that are uncompromising and sometimes conflict with other peoples views. I also struggle internally with values I embrace which seem contrary to other views I hold dear. An example would be hating war but also hating being conquered by an oppressive enemy. We live in an imperfect world and life isn't simple.
I am troubled by the perception, not entirely untrue, that those who oppose the LGBT agenda are hateful, bigoted, ignorant and hypocritical. I know many who would fit at least one of those descriptions, even myself. It's likely that every group has individuals within that do not reflect the best that group has to offer. I know that I need to concentrate more on improving myself and less on judging others.
The impasse we seem to find ourselves at seem to have less to do with tolerance and more with indoctrination. From my perspective, the LGBT movement does not appear to be satisfied with the rest of the world tolerating their freedom of expression, a position I do not have an issue with, but rather, forcing everyone to reject their own convictions and heartily embrace lifestyles they believe are wrong. How is that different than what the "traditional values" people have been accused of doing?
I don't know what the solution is but I think a good first step is to try to avoid hurtful and inflammatory speech that further polarizes us. Only then wiil we be able to approach one another with reasonable concessions that respect every side.
The impasse we seem to find ourselves at seem to have less to do with tolerance and more with indoctrination. From my perspective, the LGBT movement does not appear to be satisfied with the rest of the world tolerating their freedom of expression, a position I do not have an issue with, but rather, forcing everyone to reject their own convictions and heartily embrace lifestyles they believe are wrong. How is that different than what the "traditional values" people have been accused of doing?
http://instinctmagazine.com/post/olympic-committee-confirms-it-will-punish-athletes-who-support-lgbt-rights-russia
honestly... any argument in their defense is probably just gonna make me think you're a piece of **** but whatever
Becoming sensitive to others is a process. We begin life as egocentric beings. As we grow we become aware that others have needs,values and perspectives that are unlike our own. We may choose to ignore another's needs and values, we may even wish them ill, or we may choose to seek common ground, find the good in them and experience true empathy toward them.
Some here may think I'm a piece of **** because of my Christian perspective. Like you, I have a set of values and standards that are uncompromising and sometimes conflict with other peoples views. I also struggle internally with values I embrace which seem contrary to other views I hold dear. An example would be hating war but also hating being conquered by an oppressive enemy. We live in an imperfect world and life isn't simple.
I am troubled by the perception, not entirely untrue, that those who oppose the LGBT agenda are hateful, bigoted, ignorant and hypocritical. I know many who would fit at least one of those descriptions, even myself. It's likely that every group has individuals within that do not reflect the best that group has to offer. I know that I need to concentrate more on improving myself and less on judging others.
The impasse we seem to find ourselves at seem to have less to do with tolerance and more with indoctrination. From my perspective, the LGBT movement does not appear to be satisfied with the rest of the world tolerating their freedom of expression, a position I do not have an issue with, but rather, forcing everyone to reject their own convictions and heartily embrace lifestyles they believe are wrong. How is that different than what the "traditional values" people have been accused of doing?
I don't know what the solution is but I think a good first step is to try to avoid hurtful and inflammatory speech that further polarizes us. Only then wiil we be able to approach one another with reasonable concessions that respect every side.
in 50 years some of those countries will become islamic, and any controversion about "gay pride" there will be solved automatically.Despite the fact that there are several European countries where same-sex marriages are both legal and normal there is still quite a bit of stigma around it in at least some of those countries.
it surely will make sense in iran. but what is the meaning of "Pride" in sweden, canada, netherlands, etc? where same-sex marriage is a norm?