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Title: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:40:34
It has been exactly 100 days I have been on the forum, seems much shorter given how I was pretty much inactive first 2 months. However there have been a number of unforgettable memories, some good, some bad.

I would like all members to post some of their most unforgettable memories of their time on geekhack.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:44:25
When I got the ergodox..

The meaning of life was no longer important.

It was about the moments, the very ones, where I co-exist with my Ergodox
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:54:45
For me, it has to be the passing of SmallFry.

I have been quite active on a number of forums online for more than 12/13 years, yet I have never witnessed the demise of one of us, be it out of old age, or sickness, or unnatural. Never.

Seeing that thread that day, reading the title in the list if my unread threads, I thought someone was having some fun with Nate, maybe someone ranting at him, or having a play with him for something he did and they were going to kill him for it.

After reading mkawa's post, my heart stopped, I didn't know how to react, I was speechless, almost thought I was dreaming or reading it wrong, I shook my head, and then reread what had been posted. I didn't know Nate nearly well enough, maybe not at all, however having read his many helpful posts, I knew how much he meant to this community or rather. How much this forum meant to him.

Irrespective of that, I think if mkawa had found out the same about someone else, someone who hadn't been as integral or active on the forum, my reaction would have been just about the same, because I am a sentimental and emotional person and attach myself closely with any forum I join and its members.

This is a memory that is sure to leave a lasting impression in my mind, and in some ways triggered the keyboard enthusiast inside me and I became active here, and I in someways feel that is my biggest tribute to SmallFry. I am sure wherever he is he would be happy to know he gave GeekHack another member.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:57:10
tp4tissue VS Click Clack = best mammaries
also - ripster threads. almost any of 'em

smallfry too soon = worst memories
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 13 August 2013, 00:59:37
Yes, post your most unforgettable memories, good or bad.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 13 August 2013, 01:04:37
The first-round Group Buy.  To that point, the English-speaking keyboard enthusiasts had been very much in the shadow of the Korean-speaking ones.  They simply made cooler, more exotic stuff.

Now, we're doing pretty much everything they're doing.  This was the turning point.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 13 August 2013, 01:10:50
too many to list
too many to remember

the whole month of april was pretty legendary
that whole clack sale thread was full of so much fun and rage

ah i miss april
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 13 August 2013, 01:41:22
- First SP DS GB
- Ripster's keyboard science threads
- Ripster's posts in general (info and entertainment at the same time)
- When Clack joined here showing his first prototypes and we discussed about work and tools
- Rootworm -> GH got fuxxored-> GH got rebooted -> All my reviews gone and I had no backups v_v

- The time when the only mech KBs around were Filco / HHKB / Realforce / Cherry / Vintage (BS, ALPS)
- The time when I discovered the OEM of the Filco Majestouch (Hello Costar! :3)
- The time when the only MX switches "known" were Black / Brown / Blue
- The time when I discovered and ordered KBC PBT caps on Taobao
- The time when EK opened (No more importing from JP, yay!)
- The time imsto joined (no more Taobao agents, yay!)
- The time before mech keyboards became trendy...
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Tue, 13 August 2013, 02:08:20
After I joined I first tried browns on someone's recommendation and felt like I had finally found the perfect switch to me.

The end.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 13 August 2013, 04:57:08
Before smallfry passed I was going to leave geekhack. But I realized keyboards are cool but more importantly interacting with the awesome people here and seeing some of the crazy ideas come to life is worth sticking around for
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 13 August 2013, 08:34:27
First time someone said they had set me to ignore :)
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: lcs on Tue, 13 August 2013, 08:42:26
when moose got mad at me for thread crapping.

when I won a bunny giveaway.

the moment I decided to buy soldering gear after reading some threads.

it was a good month :)
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: daerid on Tue, 13 August 2013, 11:21:33
r00twyrm
when Ripster turned from quirky-and-sometimes-funny-mad-keyboard-scientist to a bitter and resentful troll, turning practically the whole forum against him
SmallFry (RIP)
typing on my first Topre board
buying a 104key Filco Linear R when Amazon only had 2 left (and Reds were rare back then)
buying my first thing from the classifieds (white lasered imsto PBT set)
PING
putting together my ErgoDox
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 13 August 2013, 11:54:03
when moose got mad at me for thread crapping.

when I won a bunny giveaway.

the moment I decided to buy soldering gear after reading some threads.


it was a good month :)

ERGODOX................ :D

Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: LONGZILLA on Tue, 13 August 2013, 18:47:40
Just after joining GH, trying to "decipher" everything that was going on in the Round 3 GB
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 13 August 2013, 18:54:07
r00tworm & ripster & smallfry :(

and of course the day I woke up to a pm from MiMiC telling me emptythecache was selling his sky blue lz-s hnnnnng
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 13 August 2013, 18:59:57
The day I won a couple clacks in the 420 sale!! I was one happy camper.

Also there's been a couple really funny moments in the IRC. You had to be there  :cool:
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 14 August 2013, 10:22:27
- Warm welcome by Rowdy in my first intro thread
- Buying my first Cherry MX Brown
- Buying my first Topre
- Typing on Cherry Blue, Buckling Spring, and Alps
- Gawking at the incredible keycap customizations

Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 14 August 2013, 10:42:28
- winning my first 4Grabs event and getting in on the sale, by some miracle.
- finding a G80-2100 with vintage blacks
- Retro DSA groupbuy awesomeness
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
- building a Soarer converter with no real soldering or electronics experience at all, and it worked!
- seeing GH logos on all sorts of stuff
- working with Mashby, dianoda and mkawa on the SP color chip project.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 14 August 2013, 11:08:24
when moose got mad at me for thread crapping.

I never got mad... Just stated matter-of-factly. I was willing to discuss that with you, if you so wanted.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 14 August 2013, 11:23:57
- Hanging out with SmallFry in IRC
- Meeting Moose and missalaire in person in Pittsburgh
- Meeting mashby in person in Nashville
- Meeting tipo33, SmallFry, Dianoda, Trent, dante, deepthawt, Keymaster, prdlm2009, The_Beast, and i3oilermaker at the earlier 2013 Chicago meetup (Sorry if I missed anyone)
- Most of the convos I've had in Skype chats and IRC (Ya'll know who you are)
- Winning a KMAC from Moose and seeing pictures of Glissant back home with moonprismpwr
- Watching Simple Questions Simple Answers become something big
- Building my first keyboards: Tofu101 and KMAC
- Working on various projects (The_Beast and Photekq's cases, Melvang's *secret project*, TKL Alps Project, etc)
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 14 August 2013, 11:45:27
I officially joined around the time of r00twyrm. I stopped by way before then. I had to remake my account a couple of times because they were resetting servers or something.

Being apart of a group buy around last winter was pretty rememberable. We had way more regulars then.

MX reds being a rarity. Pokers and Chic minis also being hard to find. CM MX green craze.

Ongoing of topic threads and the flame wars.

Probably  more if I could *remember* :P


SmallFry.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: iri on Wed, 14 August 2013, 12:11:48
- Warm welcome by Rowdy in my first intro thread
yeah, he is very friendly
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 14 August 2013, 12:13:45
- finding a G80-2100 with vintage blacks

oh damnnnnn
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 14 August 2013, 13:05:50
- finding a G80-2100 with vintage blacks

oh damnnnnn

I should say 'bought' as opposed to 'found' -- not like I saw the keyboard sitting on a street corner, unattended!
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 14 August 2013, 16:56:48
- finding a G80-2100 with vintage blacks

oh damnnnnn

I should say 'bought' as opposed to 'found' -- not like I saw the keyboard sitting on a street corner, unattended!

I assumed you meant bought haha

these days...finding one...buying one...very very very low chance haha

lucky! :)
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 14 August 2013, 16:57:19
I just got a QFR with Vintage Blacks off Amazon. Not too hard. I know they're vintage because it still has branding on the case.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: digi on Wed, 14 August 2013, 16:58:50
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support

LOL, yes, that was probably in my top 3 GH experiences which didn't involve me one bit.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:00:58
I just got a QFR with Vintage Blacks off Amazon. Not too hard. I know they're vintage because it still has branding on the case.

ROFL

- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support

He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:02:21
I just got a QFR with Vintage Blacks off Amazon. Not too hard. I know they're vintage because it still has branding on the case.

god damn even more rare
Moose teach me to hunt on ebay pls
teach me your ways
 :)) :))
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: lcs on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:03:35
when moose got mad at me for thread crapping.

I never got mad... Just stated matter-of-factly. I was willing to discuss that with you, if you so wanted.

And so we did :)
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:34:06
The first time I was called "the most obnoxious member on geekhack".
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: lcs on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:36:40
The first time I was called "the most obnoxious member on geekhack".

You definitely are not.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:47:47
The first time I was called "the most obnoxious member on geekhack".

You definitely are not.

sth begs to differ:

congratulations, you are currently the most obnoxious member on geekhack
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: lcs on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:51:28
I would say tp4 and his ergodox everything are pretty annoying XD
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:55:17
I would say tp4 and his ergodox everything are pretty annoying XD

it doesn't matter what you say about me... as long as you're typing on an ERGODOX

How'd I do?
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 14 August 2013, 17:58:42
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Why is it that you start out having a halfway decent discussion, and then one of the participants always announces that they're Batman.
Thank you, Internets.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: digi on Wed, 14 August 2013, 18:07:09
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Why is it that you start out having a halfway decent discussion, and then one of the participants always announces that they're Batman.
Thank you, Internets.

We need to have a "Follow" button on Geekhack.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Wed, 14 August 2013, 18:08:18
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Why is it that you start out having a halfway decent discussion, and then one of the participants always announces that they're Batman.
Thank you, Internets.

YOU HAVE A DEMON IN YOU.;

I SHALL REMOVE IT WITH THIS HAND.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: eyesmiles on Wed, 14 August 2013, 18:09:41
The Good:
Joining my first GB (I believe it was demik's Hiero GB)
Obtaining my first CC skull
Getting into a 4grabs sale for the first time
ripster

The Bad:
When rootworm hit and lurking the refugee camp thread over at DT
SmallFry passing
ripster
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: lcs on Wed, 14 August 2013, 18:25:39
I would say tp4 and his ergodox everything are pretty annoying XD

it doesn't matter what you say about me... as long as you're typing on an ERGODOX

How'd I do?

Couldn't tell the difference.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 14 August 2013, 18:25:57
I would say tp4 and his ergodox everything are pretty annoying XD

it doesn't matter what you say about me... as long as you're typing on an ERGODOX

How'd I do?

Wow, You get me...  If you were only a chick and also not fat.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Wed, 14 August 2013, 18:26:38
I would say tp4 and his ergodox everything are pretty annoying XD

it doesn't matter what you say about me... as long as you're typing on an ERGODOX

How'd I do?

Wow, You get me...  If you were only a chick and also not fat.

[citation needed]
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 14 August 2013, 18:32:25
I would say tp4 and his ergodox everything are pretty annoying XD

it doesn't matter what you say about me... as long as you're typing on an ERGODOX

How'd I do?

Wow, You get me...  If you were only a chick and also not fat.

[citation needed]

I remember a similar quote to yours from the DARE (drug/alcohol/smoking prevention) program when i was a kid.

Something something big tobacco CEO said to the advertising department :

"I don't care if they're black, white, or children, if they have a mouth, I want a cigarette in it."
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 14 August 2013, 19:11:17
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Why is it that you start out having a halfway decent discussion, and then one of the participants always announces that they're Batman.
Thank you, Internets.

I am Batman.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 14 August 2013, 19:49:10
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Why is it that you start out having a halfway decent discussion, and then one of the participants always announces that they're Batman.
Thank you, Internets.

I am Batman.

I think this guy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21462) wins.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 14 August 2013, 19:56:57
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Why is it that you start out having a halfway decent discussion, and then one of the participants always announces that they're Batman.
Thank you, Internets.

I am Batman.

I think this guy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21462) wins.

Nah he's a Bulldog.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 14 August 2013, 20:25:43
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Why is it that you start out having a halfway decent discussion, and then one of the participants always announces that they're Batman.
Thank you, Internets.

I am Batman.

I think this guy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21462) wins.

Nah he's a Bulldog.

A bulldog called Batmann.

Or maybe Batman's bulldog?
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: iri on Thu, 15 August 2013, 03:11:33
The first time I was called "the most obnoxious member on geekhack".

You definitely are not.

sth begs to differ:

congratulations, you are currently the most obnoxious member on geekhack
and i was labeled homophobic by sth. and maybe racist (i don't remember).

my best memory from gh was dfj's expert lecture on sheepf**king on irc, then banning me for a naked girl picture.
also everything related to smallfry.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 15 August 2013, 06:56:02
* When I just had joined I read a thread about Dolch, I got out on eBay and got me some before prices skyrocketed.  That became my first new mechanical keyboard.
* The Phantom design and group buy. I am very pleased.
* Ripster's threads where he tested and elaborated on keyboard stuff. The acetone test, Alps types, rit dye, lube, sandblasting shiny keycaps etc. This was before he became a troll.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 15 August 2013, 09:35:46
This is very interesting to read people's memories.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 15 August 2013, 10:35:04
This is very interesting to read people's memories.

I remember that thing that happened that one time.  :D
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 15 August 2013, 10:36:10
- having a decent discussion on race, then being labeled a racist, and then having a demonology expert lend me his support
He was an expert wasn't he LOL

Why is it that you start out having a halfway decent discussion, and then one of the participants always announces that they're Batman.
Thank you, Internets.

I am Batman.

I think this guy (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21462) wins.

Nah he's a Bulldog.

A bulldog called Batmann.

Or maybe Batman's bulldog?

I would be batman's bulldog.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 15 August 2013, 11:20:28
This is very interesting to read people's memories.

What I have noticed:
- People miss SmallFry (Duh!)
- People miss ripster
- Most members can't forget their first CC
- Can't forget rootworm
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Thu, 15 August 2013, 12:11:52
The rap battle between Moose and Commie.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Tue, 03 September 2013, 11:44:48
First time someone said they had set me to ignore :)

^This^

It makes you feel so special!
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: demik on Tue, 03 September 2013, 12:33:15
When I became king admin of GH.

OH WAIT.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: damorgue on Tue, 03 September 2013, 12:43:49
I remember the large amount of small rollbacks there were close to the rootworm incident. I basically moved a bunch of projects to DT and started mirroring them, but mainly keeping them on DT because **** got lost several times at GH. It was a hassle to have to rewrite a bunch of stuff.

I also miss "The discovery phase" and a few people who aren't here anymore.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 03 September 2013, 13:25:17
Building my first korean custom.  Now that was scary!
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: SeriouSSpotS on Tue, 03 September 2013, 13:32:33
When I first found this site, I spent literally all day on here.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: audukent on Tue, 03 September 2013, 13:35:59
Tsangan's auction.... zomg
This made me realize how 'capable' the community is.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 06 September 2013, 12:08:55
The troll poll with Ripster was pretty good. When was that...2010 or 2011?
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: dante on Fri, 06 September 2013, 12:24:00
I miss ripster and dangwang :(
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 06 September 2013, 18:01:20
same^

and \kl
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: tinlong117 on Fri, 06 September 2013, 21:34:27
When gh turned into a key cap enthusiast's forum/circlejerk arts and crafts site
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Sat, 07 September 2013, 08:17:44
Hi deskthority
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: iri on Sat, 07 September 2013, 08:27:12
i don't miss \kl
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Sat, 07 September 2013, 08:27:57
What's /kl?
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 07 September 2013, 08:31:53
What's /kl?

keyboardlover
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Sat, 07 September 2013, 08:37:39
He's still around...
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 07 September 2013, 08:38:47
He's still around...

Yeah a couple posts here and there but not like it 'used' to be.
Title: Re: 100 days, 100 memories - Post your unforgettable geekhack memories.
Post by: Thimplum on Sat, 07 September 2013, 08:39:30
true