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Title: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: hoasican2004 on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:35:52
Clickclack has pm to me.
My keychains maybe infringe copyright . So I will close topic. Thanks for all  :D
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:39:07
i want one, tell me how to pay
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: lcs on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:40:18
want one!
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: keymaster on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:42:38
Inb4 sh!tstorm
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:43:33
:eek:
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:48:46
Have you checked the VToS?
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: Tym on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:52:56
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43873.msg902980#msg902980

VTOS
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 27 August 2013, 10:54:23
^ Thanks Tym.

OP: Read through that before continuing with this thread.


EDIT: and if you decide to create a vendor forum for this product just let me know and I can move this thread.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: MTManiac on Tue, 27 August 2013, 11:08:57
waiting for vendor tag
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: AGmurdercore on Tue, 27 August 2013, 11:12:27
This is sick! GLWS!
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: Sai on Tue, 27 August 2013, 12:02:34
cant send money lol
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: duc_nckt on Tue, 27 August 2013, 12:04:39
very nice bro, i take one :3.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: Rendom on Tue, 27 August 2013, 12:44:08
hi, i'm interested in 3. : )
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 27 August 2013, 12:46:42
Nice, although design is very similar to CC Skull :P
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: Badwrench on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:13:45
Once VToS is figured out, I am in.   :thumb:
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: ekw808 on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:15:49
Wow, that is a pretty blatant ripoff, you couldn't even add 5 teeth instead of 4??
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: snoopy on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:17:52
or use another geometry for nose, eyes and forehead?

Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: elttaboi on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:29:41
what's wrong? i think it's a cool design..    ;)
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:36:13
You guys do know what the skull is right...?

Quote
whiskerBox reminded me of some skeletor keys I made long ago.
When I saw his post in my other thread I honestly remembered making them as he
had colored them. However it looks like I had tried to capture the more traditional look of
the character through my design.


(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=24466.0;attach=1317;image)

(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/097/7/a/skeletor__s_face_by_mikebock-d4mmy0y.jpg)
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:36:32
It is really close to the click clack design is why they are getting all upset.
this is also for profit so the member needs to become a vendor.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:39:57
It is really close to the click clack design is why they are getting all upset.
this is also for profit so the member needs to become a vendor.

What about all the other selling good's they have 'made' for a profit?

And is the OP really making a profit at $4/unit?

I just ask because there are 'others' who make and sell things here in the classifieds who have done so for a while who are not vendors.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:41:25
It is really close to the click clack design is why they are getting all upset.
this is also for profit so the member needs to become a vendor.

He could just post it in the GBs section. Then he doesn't need to become a vendor.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:50:02
this is threadcrapping at it's best. groupbuys would say that the more people buy them the cheaper they get.

that is not stated here. so it is just a straight sale.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: Alessandro on Tue, 27 August 2013, 13:52:54
Inb4 sh!tstorm

In during ****storm. :D
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: MTManiac on Tue, 27 August 2013, 14:03:39
so if I understand all the TC correctly he needs to:
repost this in the GB section
charge 15 a pop and write up a moq so everyone needs to buy 100+ to get it to the $4 price range
or get a vendor tag
just curious as to his options
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 August 2013, 14:04:45
so if I understand all the TC correctly he needs to:
repost this in the GB section
charge 15 a pop and write up a moq so everyone needs to buy 100+ to get it to the $4 price range
or get a vendor tag
just curious as to his options

1) Post in group buys
2) Charge whatever you want
3) ? ? ? ?
4) Profit = running a GB, so do whatever you want
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 August 2013, 14:06:30
so if I understand all the TC correctly he needs to:
repost this in the GB section
charge 15 a pop and write up a moq so everyone needs to buy 100+ to get it to the $4 price range
or get a vendor tag
just curious as to his options

Maybe these cost $8 to make and ship so we are just gifting him his costs.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: MTManiac on Tue, 27 August 2013, 14:34:30
so basically if you are 'crafting' anything you need to make it a GB or get a Vendor tag?
classifieds is for something already created you are selling or want to buy, or if you are trolling waters?
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 August 2013, 14:37:35
so basically if you are 'crafting' anything you need to make it a GB or get a Vendor tag?
classifieds is for something already created you are selling or want to buy, or if you are trolling waters?

no one really knows.....that is the problem  ???

but it probably depends on who you are, just like everything else  ::)
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: Tym on Tue, 27 August 2013, 14:39:43
I think the problem occurs when he's making a profit, if he said "These cost me $4 to make [Look these are my costs]" then you'd be fine. He is acting as a vendor without being a vendor.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 August 2013, 14:42:11
I think the problem occurs when he's making a profit, if he said "These cost me $4 to make [Look these are my costs]" then you'd be fine. He is acting as a vendor without being a vendor.

I dunno I just saw a cool keychain and for $8 total with half that being shipping I didn't think it was too bad of a deal. And at first I was thinking he only had one of these.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 15:04:08
lets wait for the op to respond to all this...
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: longweight on Tue, 27 August 2013, 15:06:56
Nice CC rip off.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: hoasican2004 on Tue, 27 August 2013, 20:52:21
I like a new design keychain, and I design it for me. Then I made its,  it is residual ~20 keychains. And I think I can sell for someone who like it. I don't think I will being a real vendor :)
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 27 August 2013, 21:00:34
And the design resembling CC Skull design?
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: MKULTRA on Tue, 27 August 2013, 21:14:36
You guys do know what the skull is right...?

Quote
whiskerBox reminded me of some skeletor keys I made long ago.
When I saw his post in my other thread I honestly remembered making them as he
had colored them. However it looks like I had tried to capture the more traditional look of
the character through my design.


Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=24466.0;attach=1317;image)


Show Image
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/097/7/a/skeletor__s_face_by_mikebock-d4mmy0y.jpg)


Just gonna re-interate this, CC doesn't own the character.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 27 August 2013, 21:15:57
Sifo is in.

Obviously...

I love keychainxs
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 27 August 2013, 21:20:01
We know what the skull is, my point is, the design is a direct ripoff.
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: hoasican2004 on Tue, 27 August 2013, 21:29:39
And the design resembling CC Skull design?

We know what the skull is, my point is, the design is a direct ripoff.

 I think CC Skull design is so great. And I'm very like this. If I violate this copyright, I will close topic. But I think, I made it different, and has very small quantity. This is a  small devotee of CC ^_^
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 21:37:32
I think it kinda looks like a zoidberg skull click clack.
I would be pissed off if I was cc and I wanted to do a zoidberg skull in the future. :(


edit: you even have the curve across the forehead like cc....
Title: Re: WTS- keychain skull
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 27 August 2013, 21:43:20
And the design resembling CC Skull design?
Dude, this is a keychain not a keycap. It's not as if he's trying to replicate CC skulls (something I don't think anyone could do) Hoasican liked CCs skulls so much he turned them into something new. Unless CC himself has a problem I don't see a problem personally.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 22:28:12
And the design resembling CC Skull design?
Dude, this is a keychain not a keycap. Hoasican liked CCs skulls so much he turned them into something new. I don't see what everyones problem is..

in the interest of having a constructive conversation about copyright infringement...
monster energy makes energy drinks with there logo on it.
if you made a monster energy drink t-shirt you would be breaking there copyright.

yes you didn't make another energy drink called monster energy drink to confuse customers and scam off them. but you would be infringing on the copyright no less.

this is why ebay is constantly scanned for fake rolex's, nike's, tiffany jewelry, sports apparel, you name it.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: ekw808 on Tue, 27 August 2013, 22:45:29
And the design resembling CC Skull design?
Dude, this is a keychain not a keycap. Hoasican liked CCs skulls so much he turned them into something new. I don't see what everyones problem is..

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=24463.msg667991#msg667991

Time after time, sad that the 4grabs has 57k views, but the FAQ barely has 4
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: keymaster on Tue, 27 August 2013, 22:46:40
And the design resembling CC Skull design?
Dude, this is a keychain not a keycap. Hoasican liked CCs skulls so much he turned them into something new. I don't see what everyones problem is..

in the interest of having a constructive conversation about copyright infringement...
monster energy makes energy drinks with there logo on it.
if you made a monster energy drink t-shirt you would be breaking there copyright.

yes you didn't make another energy drink called monster energy drink to confuse customers and scam off them. but you would be infringing on the copyright no less.

this is why ebay is constantly scanned for fake rolex's, nike's, tiffany jewelry, sports apparel, you name it.

...but is the CC skull design even copyrighted?
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 22:57:41
look at the post above you.

He shouldn't have to file copyrights/trademarks as members should have respect for his products.

He can file for pre-dated copyrights/trademarks based on his posts and other stuff he probably already has.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: Blazed on Tue, 27 August 2013, 23:01:44
look at the post above you.

He shouldn't have to file copyrights/trademarks as members should have respect for his products.

He can file for pre-dated copyrights/trademarks based on his posts and other stuff he probably already has.

Are you seriously knocking people for copying things? Hmmm... stones... glass houses... etc...
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 27 August 2013, 23:07:10
And the design resembling CC Skull design?
Dude, this is a keychain not a keycap. Hoasican liked CCs skulls so much he turned them into something new. I don't see what everyones problem is..

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=24463.msg667991#msg667991

Time after time, sad that the 4grabs has 57k views, but the FAQ barely has 4
I think I worded my post wrong. Edited.

I really can't believe I haven't seen the FAQ before, but after reading it it's probably fair to say this keychain may not be something CC wants being sold.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: meiosis on Tue, 27 August 2013, 23:29:39
I wonder why all the elitists who care about clacks are the ones getting hurt (while on CC himself should be angry).

Honestly I don't even think OP owns a clack, and this is far from reality copyright infringement. There is no case, as the clack itself is copyrighted not the overall picture. You cannot recreate a clickclack, but the image is still there. Sure, it might not have been the best thing to do, but I'm sure if clackfactory was against this and messaged him, he would change the design. I mean just the concept in itself sells.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 27 August 2013, 23:32:27
I wonder why all the elitists who care about clacks are the ones getting hurt (while on CC himself should be angry).

Honestly I don't even think OP owns a clack, and this is far from reality copyright infringement. There is no case, as the clack itself is copyrighted not the overall picture. You cannot recreate a clickclack, but the image is still there. Sure, it might not have been the best thing to do, but I'm sure if clackfactory was against this and messaged him, he would change the design. I mean just the concept in itself sells.

I did receive a PM from clickclack after I apologized to him for adding the mockups for the ceamocap with the CC skull. He appreciated the gesture but made it clear that his design may not be used for reproduction in any manner.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: meiosis on Tue, 27 August 2013, 23:36:17
I wonder why all the elitists who care about clacks are the ones getting hurt (while on CC himself should be angry).

Honestly I don't even think OP owns a clack, and this is far from reality copyright infringement. There is no case, as the clack itself is copyrighted not the overall picture. You cannot recreate a clickclack, but the image is still there. Sure, it might not have been the best thing to do, but I'm sure if clackfactory was against this and messaged him, he would change the design. I mean just the concept in itself sells.

I did receive a PM from clickclack after I apologized to him for adding the mockups for the ceamocap with the CC skull. He appreciated the gesture but made it clear that his design may not be used for reproduction in any manner.

He is still human after all, his methods are indeed admirable  ^-^.

He enjoys what he produces, and the quality reflects he does not profit much if at all from what he puts out. From what I read in his FAQ, the only reason he doesn't mass produce these is because it's become more of a treasure hunt and barter system, that while he knows people out there are profiting greatly, it would go against popular construct to crush the economy completely and make the friends he care about "lose" money or "value" in what they invested in.

Again, CF might be far far different then me, but thats how I see it from his perspective
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 August 2013, 23:38:25
look at the post above you.

He shouldn't have to file copyrights/trademarks as members should have respect for his products.

He can file for pre-dated copyrights/trademarks based on his posts and other stuff he probably already has.

Are you seriously knocking people for copying things? Hmmm... stones... glass houses... etc...

If you feel that strongly about my work then post in my thread and we can discuss the usage of the russian gasmask design.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: Blazed on Tue, 27 August 2013, 23:42:07
look at the post above you.

He shouldn't have to file copyrights/trademarks as members should have respect for his products.

He can file for pre-dated copyrights/trademarks based on his posts and other stuff he probably already has.

Are you seriously knocking people for copying things? Hmmm... stones... glass houses... etc...

If you feel that strongly about my work then post in my thread and we can discuss the usage of the russian gasmask design.

If it was actually your work, yeah. But it isn't. So don't go knocking people for doing things that you yourself are doing.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 28 August 2013, 00:39:38
look at the post above you.

He shouldn't have to file copyrights/trademarks as members should have respect for his products.

He can file for pre-dated copyrights/trademarks based on his posts and other stuff he probably already has.

Are you seriously knocking people for copying things? Hmmm... stones... glass houses... etc...

If you feel that strongly about my work then post in my thread and we can discuss the usage of the russian gasmask design.

If it was actually your work, yeah. But it isn't. So don't go knocking people for doing things that you yourself are doing.


you are right. I am guilty, so are the following and many more.
You have attacked binge for warner copyright because he made a batfleck keycap and now your attacking me.
do you attack girldc? she has made ironman, darth vader, storm troopers, gundam, etc, etc
cc has also made vader caps.
MMB/Brobots has made optimus prime.
qwerkeys entire section of misc keycaps are all copyrighted material.
edit: forgot keypop.net
lots of the random pbt keycaps sold around the community are copyrighted material.

the only company that has asked not to use there copyrighted material is click clack/clack factory
and we respect that.

I will ask valve if I can make a pyro keycap and sell it.
If they say no, then I will respect it and won't make them.

Then you can go tell every hobbyist on Etsy.com to stop making gaming stuff.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: Blazed on Wed, 28 August 2013, 00:44:07
you are right. I am guilty.

That's all that was required. Quit bagging on this dude for it. Get the point now?

Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: MKULTRA on Wed, 28 August 2013, 01:22:27
Wht the **** is Domo guilty of?  CC's keys are a representation of te character Skeletor.  Domo's are a representation of a Pyro.  Srsly.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: bueller on Wed, 28 August 2013, 01:26:04
you are right. I am guilty.

That's all that was required. Quit bagging on this dude for it. Get the point now?

3 posts in and you're already fast making friends, well done!
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: dreamingftw on Wed, 28 August 2013, 01:30:34
you are right. I am guilty.

That's all that was required. Quit bagging on this dude for it. Get the point now?

3 posts in and you're already fast making friends, well done!

He's just high.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: bueller on Wed, 28 August 2013, 01:31:51
you are right. I am guilty.

That's all that was required. Quit bagging on this dude for it. Get the point now?

3 posts in and you're already fast making friends, well done!

He's just high.

Lol when I get high I just eat a lot of McNuggets and talk a lot, don't ever remember turning into a total Richard.
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: Blazed on Wed, 28 August 2013, 01:35:01
Wht the **** is Domo guilty of?  CC's keys are a representation of te character Skeletor.  Domo's are a representation of a Pyro.  Srsly.

If by representation, you mean complete copy, then yes, it's definitely a representation exactly duplicating a toy he used to make the mold because he has amazing sculpting skills (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=42336.0;attach=33179;image).
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 28 August 2013, 01:45:47
If by representation, you mean complete copy, then yes, it's definitely a representation exactly duplicating a toy he used to make the mold because he has amazing sculpting skills (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=42336.0;attach=33179;image).

Are you talking **** about the girlshark or actually happy with it?
Title: Re: WTS- keychains skull
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 28 August 2013, 01:59:05
btw it is representation of this image....

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nw5NzNQoDnk/UHtywgjvhQI/AAAAAAAAAP4/GShuWZweBaw/s1600/baby+shark+from+above.jpg)

I honestly don't give a f what you think. if you don't like it then don't buy one.

/rant